IcePrincessJoy

We don't know basically any member so there is no point to speak about visuals until the group is released, there is also no potential line up, the only one which is always part of a rumored line up is Jimin (which is the latest girl promoted) and MAYBE NingNing and both of them are pretty, Hina is rumored to have left and Helen is a way to new trainee and the chances to be part of the new gg aren't that big.

None with the group another day, another rumor, i'll be surprised if the group is smaller than 7 members but with SM you never know

So basically the female version of Seventeen, it would be nice actually. Another rumored sm trainee, supposedly thai, 2003/4 liner, her voice is good and this is pre-debut, main vocal potential if she's really a sm trainee Also i'm gonna be real, if they don't debut in september, i don't see them debuting this year, sm keep pushing them back. Even if they debut next year, not sure why they aren't releasing some members to promote them, the girls almost have no pre-debut promo if Hina left like it is rumored, the only possible members with some pre-debut promo are Jimin (with Taemin) and Ning Ning and NingNing technically never performed ever, she only sang some songs years ago for that animation, i don't really understand SM's strategy with them.

Yes, all the above, all of them are vocally focused, other sm idols with short training are Suju's Kyuhyun and Ryeowook and SNSD's Sunny (but she was a trained in another company before joining SM). SM's idols with smallest training are usually the vocals since is easier to learn a choreo than learn how to sing.

Amber trained over 1 year, she started training in 2008 and F(x) debuted in late 2009. SM keep postponing this gg, it was supposed to debut years ago, the debut was postponed 3 times already only this year (1st quarter, then summer, now second half), the expectations are up in the sky, i hope SM and the girls can deliver it otherwise they are gonna get a huge amount of hate, let's not speak that with Lami and Koeun leaving, people are expecting the debut girls to be some kind of gods.

Yes, it looks like a old video. Also some people are saying this is for sm new gg

Helen dancing, not sure if it was posted before but i don't remember seeing it

I actually think they'll take a more safe approach with their new gg, i don't think they'll debut with a cute/innocent concept but i don't think think they'll have a hard drop concept either, SM doesn't really follow the trend and a lot of ggs are doing a similar concept right now, i hope they'll debut with a feminine and elegant concept. At the most i see them the counterpart of NCT Dream not NCT 127, starting with a youthful concept and growing each comeback during all teenager phases.

SM should start promoting the members, not sure what they are waiting for, i hope they don't pull a RV on them (even in RV most of the members were known beside Joy) in revealing the members and debuting the next week.

I think they were planned for 2017/2018 but SM wasn't happy with the line up so the debut was delayed, trainees keep leaving which made a circle. One of the reason why maybe Koeun and Lami left is also probably concept change, i have a feeling the new gg will go with a more strong concept.

Personally a group isn't a group until they debut, all sm rookies are only trainees at the end of the day and SM never said they are gonna debut them in their new group, sm rookies was a pre-debut team which AT THAT TIME this trainees were the best and sm wanted to promote them, in the end nobody lost anything, even the trainees since people know them, if they were faceless trainees like 99% of industry they won't even have fans or recognition, now a lot of companies would want them if they want to continue their idol career, even bigger companies. SNSD and Exo had a lot of almost members because their line up keep changing and they ended well, the new gg is gonna end well too. I also think is okey to wait until the group debuts to decide if you are gonna stan them or not, i'm gonna do the same. I personally think Ning Ning has a big chance to debut in the group, probably the biggest chance between all sm rookies (even more than Hina). Talent is given since they are a sm group but one of most important things is their synergy as a group.

What srg/smngg argument? Something happened? I'm pretty sure this is a good sign, she won't delete her weibo without a reason, at least one smrookie is gonna debut. I'm curious if Hina is still at SM, i heard rumors that she left and that she's still in company. lol I'm expecting a early july debut, june is way to crowded, the girls and any new gg will drown between BP and Twice, early/mid july is the best.

She basically have the same face in both her lines and she looks in pain in her second part so yes, she doesn't have any stage presence, at least not yet. I don't care about Soyeon, she's in my lower half of Gidle biases so not sure why you think bashing her is gonna change anything, Miyeon doesn't have any stage presence, she's pretty but she's easily their weakest performer.

Miyeon can sing better the chorus but she doesn't have any stage presence or facial expressions which is why she doesn't get lines which require her to do something other than sing and look pretty, Yuqi could have got the 1st verse but i do see why Soyeon got the chorus, she has the best stage presence, is not only who can sing it better but who can pull it on the stage (the chorus is sung by the members with the best stage presence). Gidle isn't a ballad group or vocal group, this is what people need to understand and Miyeon can look very soul less on the stage, she also has the least energy. With that saying, the line distribution isn't even that bad, is decent, it could be better but i personally wouldn't change much, i would like Yuqi to try 1st verse but that's all i would changed, also everybody got proper lines, also people bring Seventeen here as example of "equal line distribution" is funny when they had some songs with extremely bad line distribution.

No, most likely they are gonna use full group photos too, is most likely just a one time thing or at least it won't be as common.

Even if they sign the whole group, they can use only one member, sometimes some members have more individual photos, sometimes some members don't have individual photos at all, sometimes they only use units etc, is not normal since is cheaper to pay only for a few members than paying for all but is not unheard of, for the pic it doesn't look like the members were cut, most likely this is how the photos were made.

for SNSD is also: -Tiffany too, she's only lead vocalist and rapper if you want to count it -Yuri too, she's lead dancer, vocalist and lead/rapper SNSD's only main positions are Taeyeon and Jessica (ex) as Main vocals and Hyoyeon as Main dancer and rapper.

fun fact: Everglow has better digital sales than Loona in Korea, Everglow's song was released first and they are 400s on Melon right now, Loona's song was released a few days after and they are 800s on Melon right now even if their song is newer, Dun Dun has almost 1 mil streams on Genie while So What have 600k streams. Loona fans just streamed more initially, none of them are doing good digitally but Everglow is doing better than Loona. (G)I-dle and Gfriend both charted their debut songs, BTS's debut song and all their comeback songs also charted and by the time Loona is right now they already had a hit in Korea with I Need U and their albums were selling 200k, not sure why people compare every group which does good internationally but flop in Korea with BTS, BTS never flopped in Korea, they charted since debut and were on the rise before blowing up internationally, they had a decent fanbase in Korea since debut which was only growing. As for blowing up, depends of a lot things and also about luck, could be one of them, both of them or even none.

Loona MVs have ads as well.

She trained for 2 years and i don't think it matter much, she's obvious not a natural dancer and more training won't help her, she need more confidence and like knetz said some core strength. Dancing will never come naturally for her, same as for Tiffany, Jisoo, Yeri etc but she is obvious trying and putting effort which is nice, i don't think is as bad as knetz say it but it is obvious she isn't same level as the others during performance. What JYP need to do it is give Itzy some songs which suit her, she's main vocal but she never get to show it in Itzy's songs, not even b-sides.

He's the most handsome in NCT, between all 21 guys for me.

I hope they have 7 members, not to big or small, middle or at the most 9 members, more than 9 is to much and is pretty hard for the members to stand out.

Interesting, thanks for information Helen's unseen photos crd:

So i saw somebody posting some sm trainees ~ not sure if is real ~ Beside the obvious one like Hina, Jimin and NingNing (and maybe Helen) supposedly there is also Jo Hyunseon, Kim Minjeong and Kim Chaehyun, i didn't find anything about them.