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7 hours ago, Josaline said:
Taehyung's list continues to grow every day.^^
Austin Mcknezie and his boyfriend^^
Not only the artist, but the song (lyrics) that Taehyung played itself is lgbt. Just wanted to point it out.
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4 hours ago, Chemist said:
Anti black sentiment is not an american thing but being offended by petty and irrelevant stuff like braids IS an american thing
Petty and irrelevant stuff is kpop stans spending their entire time on useless stan wars about things like looks, fandom colors or #1s on music charts because of people that doesn't even know about their existence.
Read my other response and understand why this isn't the petty and irrelevant stuff you think it is:
On 1/18/2020 at 7:25 PM, plutto said:Before we talk about "gatekeeping", let's talk about how black people have it hard because of their hair. If they wear an afro, it's "messy hair" and thus unprofessional. If they wear dreads, it's dirty and should be cut off, otherwise they're going to be punished in school (even though the tecnique used to make dreads on 4 type hair is entirely different from people with non 4 type hair and because of that it shouldn't smell bad or anything).
The day those things stop being a huge problem for black people (and trust me, it is; there's a reason why California approved a law that bans this kind of discrimination only last year), then we can talk about how we're "gatekeeping" non-black people from having """reggae hair""" because they want to look cool
"Ah, but this doesn't apply in Korea, only in America!"
Well, Korea isn't even willing to hire a a korean born biracial model because his skin is dark (see the video I posted), I doubt they would want to hire someone with black hair styles.
You think a korean would keep their "reggae hair before looking for a job? Someone from Korea, a country that is so strict with their beauty standards, even when hiring? Yeah, no.
And even if it wasn't a problem there, you guys should learn to be more sensitive. I'm not telling you to let trolls demonize your faves because of a mistake, but at least try to understand why it's a problem at the first place. Understand that there are people out there whose concerns are real and not just a reason to cancel someone.
Please, take your time to read the links I posted if you care.
Also, a reminder that the USA is not the only country in the world that has black people living in it and suffering discrimination.
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6 hours ago, domination said:
While I certainly understand and sympathise with the history, I don't understand how anyone (apart from black people) having dreads is in your words, a "mistake". Sorry to break it to you but black people don't own that hairstyle. And putting so much focus on people having dreads (who probably got it out of genuine appreciation for that hairstyle) is not addressing the underlying racism issue at hand and just a misdirection of anger and hatred.
And while I get that racism against blacks is not just America specific and even happen in Korea (which fyi, prolly stems from whatever soft culture they absorb from the US), what exactly is the point in drawing such a clear line and getting annoyed at people embracing certain parts of black culture (e.g dreads)? Especially non-americans who have no direct involvement in all the racist scenarios against dreads which you brought up.
I like to point out that in a globalised world, this sort of scenarios happens to any culture in any place. For example, sinophobia is a very real thing happening in many countries (especially Europe and America) but that doesn't stop many people in those countries from eating Chinese takeaway. And you don't see Chinese people getting their panties twisted over this.
Policing anyone in what hairstyle they can have, what they can wear, what they can eat based on their heritage is quite honestly, downright absurd in this globalised world. So if blacks were discriminated for having dreads, is it now reverse racism whereby non-blacks spotting dreads are going to be flamed? When exactly is all these going to stop?
You say black people doesn't own those hairstyles, but it's only them who wear it regularly... because it's their natural hair.
The mistake here is non-black people wearing those hairstyles only in some specific contexts that only makes the stigma against said hairstyles worse. They wear it to look cool, to do a "Hip-hop", "street", "gangsta" concept. But when they want to look serious, professional, cute, etc. they undo those hairstyles.
These hairstyles end up becoming attatched to "hip-hop", "gangsta", etc. as if they were created only for those things. As if they aren't hairstyles that black people have been wearing in any situation. See koreans calling it "reggae hair".
And the sad part is: non-black people can undo those hairstyles whenever they want. But for black people, those hairstyles are their natural hair. They cant "undo" it. Yeah, they can make it straight and do a hairstyle that conforms to the european beauty standard... But why should it be like this? Why do they have to change their own natural hair to be taken seriously?
Why in kpop, when a Idol wear dreads, cornrolls, etc., it's almost always to do a hard or hip hop concept? Why we don't see idols doing inocent concepts wearing an afro?
The best thing for non-black people to do, if they truly appreciate those hairstyles, would be stopping wearing those hairstyles to look "cool", "hip", "reggae", and instead should show awareness to the issue black people faces and try to help end the stigma against it. And then, when the stigma is finally over, I will agree with you that everyone should be able to wear those hairstyles
. (Yes I know it's really hard and an almost impossible thing to happen, but the world isn't fair unfortunately.)
Hyuna wearing this type of hairstyle and calling it "reggae hair" (idk if it's Hyuna's words, but either way it's disrespectful to call it that) is ignorant regardless of her intention, but once again, I don't think people should crucify Hyuna because of this. The best thing to do would be educating her, but considering how hard it is to reach an idol and how even americans themselves have issues understanding this, it's just a lost case. Let it be this: a mistake that she did once. She is human, afterall.
Also, your example about food is not exactly comparable because food is not prone to the same type of discrimination that hair does.
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We will never know
If this same question was asked back at 2nd gen about the 3rd gen, people would assume SM's gg would be the #1 gg because SM groups in general used to be really huge compared to others. No one would expect a JYP gg to be the #1 gg.
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18 minutes ago, slightly said:
BH can do the most absolute bare minimum and have people on twitter yelling about how they're our LGBT presidents or kings or whatever, but they risk none of the fallout of explicitly supporting LGBT. Naturally they keep everything so vague and apolitical because they wanna make money and stay on top, first and always, but if there is a more well-intentioned reason anywhere at the heart of it, possibly it's the idea that BTS can deliver their message of loving yourself and others in a way that will be willingly received than if they got explicit about their political stances and triggered reactionary responses from people. I don't like it in any case though. The members obviously ARE supportive of LGBT and it kinda disgusts me that they have so many fans, claiming to love them and lapping up their words like it's gospel, who would protest if they put their support up front and centre and do god knows what if a member actually came out. It's crazy how Yoongi's "everyone is equal" is the most they can say. It's crazy that they can't say things as basic as "we believe in LGBT rights" or "same-sex marriage should be legal"; statements any celebrity in the west would be widely criticised for not agreeing with
RM did confirm the Serendipity was gender neutral on purpose because love trancends genders and there was a mention of gender indentity on their UN speech (among other things, like Jungkook's "wearing anything regardless of gender"). But yeah, all of them are kinda vague and I don't expect seeing them talking about it openly and in details.
It seems that Big Hit is now extra careful with what they say, as if anything would be bad press for them. I remember when they used to swear on their own songs (it wasn't often, but it happened), play with innuendos, even release free songs about being horny... Nowadays I can't see them releasing songs like that anymore (see Tae's christmas song).
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Didn't know that Shinee oppars invented the color green. Kings!
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4 hours ago, reiichi said:
All countries have racists, and racial minorities always have it hard.
Gatekeeping though isn't how you lesser inter-racial tensions.
Before we talk about "gatekeeping", let's talk about how black people have it hard because of their hair. If they wear an afro, it's "messy hair" and thus unprofessional. If they wear dreads, it's dirty and should be cut off, otherwise they're going to be punished in school (even though the tecnique used to make dreads on 4 type hair is entirely different from people with non 4 type hair and because of that it shouldn't smell bad or anything).
The day those things stop being a huge problem for black people (and trust me, it is; there's a reason why California approved a law that bans this kind of discrimination only last year), then we can talk about how we're "gatekeeping" non-black people from having """reggae hair""" because they want to look cool
"Ah, but this doesn't apply in Korea, only in America!"
Well, Korea isn't even willing to hire a a korean born biracial model because his skin is dark (see the video I posted), I doubt they would want to hire someone with black hair styles.
You think a korean would keep their "reggae hair before looking for a job? Someone from Korea, a country that is so strict with their beauty standards, even when hiring? Yeah, no.
And even if it wasn't a problem there, you guys should learn to be more sensitive. I'm not telling you to let trolls demonize your faves because of a mistake, but at least try to understand why it's a problem at the first place. Understand that there are people out there whose concerns are real and not just a reason to cancel someone.
Please, take your time to read the links I posted if you care.
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God this thread is so ignorant. You guys are so insensitive it hurts.
Anti-Black sentiment is definitely not only an American thing.
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42 minutes ago, LostChild said:
I actually kind of agreed with OP at first. It's true that nctzens sometimes seem to only care about Ten being this "gay king" when there is so much more to talk about him. He's one of the most talented idols out there but videos about his "gay moments" have more views than his dancing compilations. And while i think it's fine to speculate about idols being LGBT in this thread or the thread about female idols because it's lowkey and there are very few chances that idols will find it, i think kpop fans should be more respectful of the idols' privacy on Instagram or Twitter for example.
But i can't brush off the disdain that suints from OP and the users in the comments. I'm not that familiar with this reddit so maybe i'm wrong but there are probably posts about some idols personalities or some friendships between bandmates. Isn't this also assuming something about someone's private life ? Why is it seen as the absolute evil to speculate on an idol's sexuality but okay to do so about other aspects of their private life ? A lot of people assumed that BTS' Jungkook was dating this tatooist just because of a hug and i didn't see this contempt towards the people making this assumption.
Idk, what do you think ?When people say "stop assuming *insert idol here*'s sexuality", they almost always mean "stop assuming that *insert idol here* is lgbt+"
There's this thing called heteronormativity, when heterosexuality is considered normal, the norm, and any other sexualities are considered not normal. It walks hand by hand with homophobia and we see a lot of it in kpop community.
People will say "don't assume their sexuality!!" and then the next second say "I can't wait until *male idol* get a girlfriend". It happens a lot unfortunately.
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53 minutes ago, bb8__ said:
Yes, this one! Thanks!
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55 minutes ago, .peach. said:
Sadly, since he wrote in English, it doesn't have to mean he knows him personally. He probably couldn't just write "V" out of respect, and writing mister V would be weird lmao, so he was left with "hyung".
Some armys were mad because they assumed that Holland called him "hyung" while not being intimate with Tae and a korean jornalist/influencer replied by explaining the korean hierarchy system and saying to not assume they don't know each other (or something like that. I won't be able to find the tweet right now
if anyone can find it, it would be pretty helpful)
I mean, maybe Holland did call him hyung just because. It's possible. But I, personally, find it somewhat unlikely...
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Holland has mentioned before that some celebrities have contacted him in secret to show support
I kinda believe that Taehyung was one of them
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Could you post the link? The videos aren't working
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Kinda late, wish they could've saved Pristin
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Spongebob is CANCELLED
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Wow the news really broke this thread
Anyway, I will go a little off-topic but:
1 hour ago, anxiety said:There are many openly gay celebrities in the world who are proud and visibly gay so if you want actual representation go stan them.
This argument is extremely flawed. It would make sense if LGBT+ representation in kpop was just the same amount as straight representation, but that's not the case.
It's not because LGBT+ korean artists such as Holland, MRSHLL (and don't get me wrong, a lot of people here do stan them), etc. exist that we should seek representation only from them. That's not how it works. We all have different tastes, different faves, etc. Not everyone will like their sound or feel connected with them. So because of that, we seek representation in other people/places that we already love/feel connected with.
For example, I was extremely happy when Jungkook spoke up against gender norms not too long ago. Yes, there are celebrities that have spoken against gender norms before, but Jungkook is my bias. I already feel connected with him, look up to him, so having him say things like that made me feel even more valid.
That's the objective of this thread
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He should've been in charge of making BTS' official MVs from now on, tbh
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18, turning 19 in less than 5 months
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6 hours ago, raspberry84 said:
We should be getting a new BTS album soon and that means more notes / information about the HYYH universe.
Anyone wanna make predictions on where they're gonna go with Yoongi and Jungkook's characters? I feel like the last set of notes did a lot to imply that at least Yoongi's feelings toward Jungkook were romantic and I'm curious if they're gonna continue that narrative.
I've given up on expecting Big Hit to confirm it or something. They'll probably leave it like this or pretend that those aspects of Yoonkook's relationship (the HYYH characters, not the real people) never existed. Especially now that there'll be a drama based on this universe. I doubt they will confirm that at least two of the characters are gay and in a relationship... But anyway, they are in my heart :')
I wonder what would happen if BTS never became as famous as they are nowadays, though. I wonder if they would continue the HYYH storyline and be more explicit about it.
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13 minutes ago, witchcocktor said:
I completely understand your sentiments and the controversy of them performing on SA but tbh, in the end of the day, they're still korean idols who follow contracts.
I don't expect to change your opinion on the matter, but yeah, I don't think them performing there negates every single support they've had for the community before and after the performance.
SpoilerYeah, it was RM. A photoshoot for a magazine in 2014.
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26 minutes ago, witchcocktor said:
Ah, I see. Though comparing other groups who perform at smaller venues to BTS may be a bit unfair, BTS being just that huge that they can get away with shit (I mean, Jimin not being cancelled for the atomic bomb shirt or nazi gear, nah, he is still a woke king or whatever).
The eternal skeptic and pessimist in me is kinda thinking that holding pride flags is basically necessary for smaller groups in order to get western fanbase attention, in general being woke and stuff, but when you make it big you don't hafta do that anymore to that extent. Basically how smaller groups usually wear more provocative clothing and indulge in gay fanservice, same could be applied to appealing to western values more prominently when performing there.
But, this all could still be a positive thing and I'm sure some idols feel a lot more free performing outside of Asia.
Personally I think BTS gets a pass not because they're huge, but instead because they're already vocal about their support outside the stage. Other than that, I kinda understand your point
SpoilerAlso, pretty off topic, but there is no "nazi gear" controversy related to Jimin.
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Just now, satoori said:
and there are armys who went "of course it's real"
and mad it's not true now
your point?
Yeah, there are armys who did that too.
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3 minutes ago, Redmi7A said:
Nobody is saying that Big Hit can't do bad things.
But hating on Big Hit just because they're capable of doing bad things is smth stupid.
At least wait until they do bad things for real.
I'm talking about the armys who went "of course it's not real" and protected BH without waiting for a statement.
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[NB] Hyuna's 'reggae hair' under debate
in Netizen Nation
Posted · Edited by plutto
I already tried to explain why it's harmful. Read what I wrote again, carefully:
If you still don't understand, then I'm sorry, but I won't explain any further. This entire discussion is draining my mental health.
And I already said food doesn't 'suffer' the same type of discrimination as hair does, in this case. Are people losing their jobs because they eat chinese food?