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I already tried to explain why it's harmful. Read what I wrote again, carefully: If you still don't understand, then I'm sorry, but I won't explain any further. This entire discussion is draining my mental health. And I already said food doesn't 'suffer' the same type of discrimination as hair does, in this case. Are people losing their jobs because they eat chinese food?
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Which male idols do you think are gay?
plutto replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
Not only the artist, but the song (lyrics) that Taehyung played itself is lgbt. Just wanted to point it out. -
Petty and irrelevant stuff is kpop stans spending their entire time on useless stan wars about things like looks, fandom colors or #1s on music charts because of people that doesn't even know about their existence. Read my other response and understand why this isn't the petty and irrelevant stuff you think it is: Also, a reminder that the USA is not the only country in the world that has black people living in it and suffering discrimination.
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You say black people doesn't own those hairstyles, but it's only them who wear it regularly... because it's their natural hair. The mistake here is non-black people wearing those hairstyles only in some specific contexts that only makes the stigma against said hairstyles worse. They wear it to look cool, to do a "Hip-hop", "street", "gangsta" concept. But when they want to look serious, professional, cute, etc. they undo those hairstyles. These hairstyles end up becoming attatched to "hip-hop", "gangsta", etc. as if they were created only for those things. As if they aren't hairstyles that black people have been wearing in any situation. See koreans calling it "reggae hair". And the sad part is: non-black people can undo those hairstyles whenever they want. But for black people, those hairstyles are their natural hair. They cant "undo" it. Yeah, they can make it straight and do a hairstyle that conforms to the european beauty standard... But why should it be like this? Why do they have to change their own natural hair to be taken seriously? Why in kpop, when a Idol wear dreads, cornrolls, etc., it's almost always to do a hard or hip hop concept? Why we don't see idols doing inocent concepts wearing an afro? The best thing for non-black people to do, if they truly appreciate those hairstyles, would be stopping wearing those hairstyles to look "cool", "hip", "reggae", and instead should show awareness to the issue black people faces and try to help end the stigma against it. And then, when the stigma is finally over, I will agree with you that everyone should be able to wear those hairstyles . (Yes I know it's really hard and an almost impossible thing to happen, but the world isn't fair unfortunately.) Hyuna wearing this type of hairstyle and calling it "reggae hair" (idk if it's Hyuna's words, but either way it's disrespectful to call it that) is ignorant regardless of her intention, but once again, I don't think people should crucify Hyuna because of this. The best thing to do would be educating her, but considering how hard it is to reach an idol and how even americans themselves have issues understanding this, it's just a lost case. Let it be this: a mistake that she did once. She is human, afterall. Also, your example about food is not exactly comparable because food is not prone to the same type of discrimination that hair does.
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share songs that were released the year you were born
plutto replied to pinkpanda_spirit's topic in Random
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We will never know If this same question was asked back at 2nd gen about the 3rd gen, people would assume SM's gg would be the #1 gg because SM groups in general used to be really huge compared to others. No one would expect a JYP gg to be the #1 gg.
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Which male idols do you think are gay?
plutto replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
RM did confirm the Serendipity was gender neutral on purpose because love trancends genders and there was a mention of gender indentity on their UN speech (among other things, like Jungkook's "wearing anything regardless of gender"). But yeah, all of them are kinda vague and I don't expect seeing them talking about it openly and in details. It seems that Big Hit is now extra careful with what they say, as if anything would be bad press for them. I remember when they used to swear on their own songs (it wasn't often, but it happened), play with innuendos, even release free songs about being horny... Nowadays I can't see them releasing songs like that anymore (see Tae's christmas song). -
Didn't know that Shinee oppars invented the color green. Kings!
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Before we talk about "gatekeeping", let's talk about how black people have it hard because of their hair. If they wear an afro, it's "messy hair" and thus unprofessional. If they wear dreads, it's dirty and should be cut off, otherwise they're going to be punished in school (even though the tecnique used to make dreads on 4 type hair is entirely different from people with non 4 type hair and because of that it shouldn't smell bad or anything). The day those things stop being a huge problem for black people (and trust me, it is; there's a reason why California approved a law that bans this kind of discrimination only last year), then we can talk about how we're "gatekeeping" non-black people from having """reggae hair""" because they want to look cool "Ah, but this doesn't apply in Korea, only in America!" Well, Korea isn't even willing to hire a a korean born biracial model because his skin is dark (see the video I posted), I doubt they would want to hire someone with black hair styles. You think a korean would keep their "reggae hair before looking for a job? Someone from Korea, a country that is so strict with their beauty standards, even when hiring? Yeah, no. And even if it wasn't a problem there, you guys should learn to be more sensitive. I'm not telling you to let trolls demonize your faves because of a mistake, but at least try to understand why it's a problem at the first place. Understand that there are people out there whose concerns are real and not just a reason to cancel someone. Please, take your time to read the links I posted if you care.
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God this thread is so ignorant. You guys are so insensitive it hurts. Anti-Black sentiment is definitely not only an American thing.
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Which male idols do you think are gay?
plutto replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
When people say "stop assuming *insert idol here*'s sexuality", they almost always mean "stop assuming that *insert idol here* is lgbt+" There's this thing called heteronormativity, when heterosexuality is considered normal, the norm, and any other sexualities are considered not normal. It walks hand by hand with homophobia and we see a lot of it in kpop community. People will say "don't assume their sexuality!!" and then the next second say "I can't wait until *male idol* get a girlfriend". It happens a lot unfortunately. -
Which male idols do you think are gay?
plutto replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
Yes, this one! Thanks! -
Which male idols do you think are gay?
plutto replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
Some armys were mad because they assumed that Holland called him "hyung" while not being intimate with Tae and a korean jornalist/influencer replied by explaining the korean hierarchy system and saying to not assume they don't know each other (or something like that. I won't be able to find the tweet right now if anyone can find it, it would be pretty helpful) I mean, maybe Holland did call him hyung just because. It's possible. But I, personally, find it somewhat unlikely... -
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plutto replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
Holland has mentioned before that some celebrities have contacted him in secret to show support I kinda believe that Taehyung was one of them -
Can you guys help me to find this instrumental from BTS and Taeyeon
plutto replied to SnakeSales's topic in Random
Could you post the link? The videos aren't working -
[update: still in discussion] Pledis merges with bighit
plutto replied to My Everything's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
Kinda late, wish they could've saved Pristin -
Spongebob is CANCELLED
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Which male idols do you think are gay?
plutto replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
Wow the news really broke this thread Anyway, I will go a little off-topic but: This argument is extremely flawed. It would make sense if LGBT+ representation in kpop was just the same amount as straight representation, but that's not the case. It's not because LGBT+ korean artists such as Holland, MRSHLL (and don't get me wrong, a lot of people here do stan them), etc. exist that we should seek representation only from them. That's not how it works. We all have different tastes, different faves, etc. Not everyone will like their sound or feel connected with them. So because of that, we seek representation in other people/places that we already love/feel connected with. For example, I was extremely happy when Jungkook spoke up against gender norms not too long ago. Yes, there are celebrities that have spoken against gender norms before, but Jungkook is my bias. I already feel connected with him, look up to him, so having him say things like that made me feel even more valid. That's the objective of this thread -
He should've been in charge of making BTS' official MVs from now on, tbh
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18, turning 19 in less than 5 months
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Which male idols do you think are gay?
plutto replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
I've given up on expecting Big Hit to confirm it or something. They'll probably leave it like this or pretend that those aspects of Yoonkook's relationship (the HYYH characters, not the real people) never existed. Especially now that there'll be a drama based on this universe. I doubt they will confirm that at least two of the characters are gay and in a relationship... But anyway, they are in my heart :') I wonder what would happen if BTS never became as famous as they are nowadays, though. I wonder if they would continue the HYYH storyline and be more explicit about it. -
Which male idols do you think are gay?
plutto replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
I completely understand your sentiments and the controversy of them performing on SA but tbh, in the end of the day, they're still korean idols who follow contracts. I don't expect to change your opinion on the matter, but yeah, I don't think them performing there negates every single support they've had for the community before and after the performance. -
Which male idols do you think are gay?
plutto replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
Personally I think BTS gets a pass not because they're huge, but instead because they're already vocal about their support outside the stage. Other than that, I kinda understand your point -
I'm talking about the armys who went "of course it's not real" and protected BH without waiting for a statement.
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