Eevee

Wow i just watched their debut performance on mcountdown and i was blown away... and here i am lol.

 

Btw, i thought yuqi was their main vocalist. Her voice has the vibe and “sound†lol. But turn out i was wrong. It’s miyeon isnt it?

Even after spending most of his high schooling years overseas, I'm impressed in Jisung's korean proficiency in writing such deep lyrics in their songs

Can you tell me more about this please?

 

I’d like to know more about his background if possible

I think i just found my first ever BG bias. Jisung is such a cutie pie on real life videos and photos but when he performed on stage i can’t take my eyes off from him. Not to mention that he is very talented too :â€)

 

When will these kids have their own badges btw?

 

 

I have to agree to your statement. Unfortunately. Sigh... my apology

 

 

 

For the sake of others in this thread, we have to stop. You can feel free to send me PM but I may not reply.

Thanks for your time and attention.

No need to. I already said what i had to say so if you dont have other things to say to me then theres no need to continue this through PM. Hope this can be a little lesson to us and we can be more considerate to each other. Thank you.

you two are annoying

you don't have to like it. and i don't ask you to. it was put in the spoiler for a reason.

 

 

Everyone thinks that they are objective.  Let's not try to assume/argue who are and who are not.

 

You have stated your opinion in this thread that Tzuyu Gallup scores should not be so high in 2016 several times.

Pretty sure everyone heard you loud and clear.

This is your subjective opinion.

 

Some of us think that her scores in 2016 was justifiable, some even think could have been higher.

This is also our subjective opinion.

 

We have had discussions on this topic several times already.  You obviously know what I think.  Are you going to keep replying to me and insist that I accept your opinion in future or if not then accuse me of lying to myself?

 

Of course I am not likely to write about Gallup every week but there is a good chance I will do so again in December 2018, December 2019.  Do you intend to raise the same point about HuangAn to me again?

 

May I suggest you don't try to force this opinion of yours down my throat anymore? 

If you agreed they are just your opinion, can you stop saying people are lying to themselves if they don't agree with yours? 

It will be much appreciated.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"You clearly said "can we not undermine Tzuyu and spread negativity about her?" "

 

Yes, this was my statement in the final paragraph concerning posting things in Tzuyu's thread in general and not specific to your arguments about HuangAn effect in 2016.

 

Give you some examples.

 

(1) Tzuyu has one of the longest queues in Japanese Hi-Touch event and she trended in Japan more than any of twice members in the last few months.  Do we like to see people, without evidence, just say that Tzuyu cannot be that popular because bla, bla, bla.

 

(2) Tzuyu solo vlives has the most views and hearts in Twice vlive channel.  Do we like to see people, without evidence, just write Tzuyu cannot be that popular, must be this or must be that.

 

(3) So on and so forth.

 

We are in Tzuyu's thread.  This thread is for people who love her and we are here to support her and to celebrate her achievements; small or big.

 

Are we supposed to keep questioning all the data and evidence that showed her achievements or her popularity?

If someone think SK could remember an event more than 6 months ago to vote for Tzuyu in 2016, other people can surely extrapolate and claim that SK were still remembering HuangAn incident when they voted for Tzuyu in 2017?  These are just empty opinion with no fact to back them up.

 

Since opinions are merely opinions and we have no fact or data to back us, isn't it very easy to conjure up things to question Tzuyu's popularity and achievement?

 

If anyone of you want to start a thread on OH questioning Tzuyu's popularity or her capability, it's their own choice.  I have never appeared in any of such threads to argue with people.  People have a right to say voice their opinion.  But this is Tzuyu's thread. Should we all try to be negative about her, particularly when it is just our own opinion?  Should we all start to doubt her? Do Tzuyu's stans come to this thread so that we can read the same things outside of Tzuyu's thread posted by people who don't care about Tzuyu?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"You clearly said "can we not undermine Tzuyu and spread negativity about her?" "

 

Yes, this was my statement in the final paragraph concerning posting things in Tzuyu's thread in general and not specific to your arguments about HuangAn effect in 2016.

 

Give you some examples.

 

(1) Tzuyu has one of the longest queues in Japanese Hi-Touch event and she trended in Japan more than any of twice members in the last few months.  Do we like to see people, without evidence, just say that Tzuyu cannot be that popular because bla, bla, bla.

 

(2) Tzuyu solo vlives has the most views and hearts in Twice vlive channel.  Do we like to see people, without evidence, just write Tzuyu cannot be that popular, must be this or must be that.

 

(3) So on and so forth.

 

We are in Tzuyu's thread.  This thread is for people who love her and we are here to support her and to celebrate her achievements; small or big.

 

Are we supposed to keep questioning all the data and evidence that showed her achievements or her popularity?

If someone think SK could remember an event more than 6 months ago to vote for Tzuyu in 2016, other people can surely extrapolate and claim that SK were still remembering HuangAn incident when they voted for Tzuyu in 2017?  These are just empty opinion with no fact to back them up.

 

Since opinions are merely opinions and we have no fact or data to back us, isn't it very easy to conjure up things to question Tzuyu's popularity and achievement?

 

If anyone of you want to start a thread on OH questioning Tzuyu's popularity or her capability, it's their own choice.  I have never appeared in any of such threads to argue with people.  People have a right to say voice their opinion.  But this is Tzuyu's thread. Should we all try to be negative about her, particularly when it is just our own opinion?  Should we all start to doubt her? Do Tzuyu's stans come to this thread so that we can read the same things outside of Tzuyu's thread posted by people who don't care about Tzuyu?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Stop accusing people who have different opinion than you"  <-- this is funny

 

Please check your first reply to me.  This whole series of conversation started because you accused me or people of "Lying to ourselves" if we don't accept your half baked assumption.

 

I didn't start this whole conversation in the first place.  I wrote my opinion about how Tzuyu fared in 2017 Gallup and you quoted me and replied to me and accused me of lying to myself.

 

 

 

On this topic, you and I have already used several pages of this thread for discussion.  If you don't understand my points by now, I don't think you ever would.  I have zero interest to try to explain things over and over again to you.  In future, please don't quote me and try to tell me I am lying to myself if I don't accept your point.  Then we won't be going in loops again.

 

Whether you will understand the meaning of Gallup, what is public popularity or how SK people think in the future is not my business.  We are talking about 2016 and 2017, not the future.

 

One thing is clear from all your predictions for 2017, your understanding of Gallup, how artists become popular with the public and how SK votes up to now are not much.  All your predictions were off.  Where did you get your confidence from?  How did you think that you are an expert about Gallup and about the SK people to tell people that HuangAn was definitely one of the factor why Tzuyu got high votes in 2016 and if we didn't think so, we are lying to ourselves?

 

It is merely your opinion.  You are free to hold on to your opinion.  Please don't force your opinion on me or anyone in this thread. Please don't accuse people of lying to themselves if they don't agree with your opinion.

 

There are many Tzuyu stans who used to argue that if not for HuangAn, Tzuyu could have gotten more solo CFs and more solo activities in 2016 even.  That she could have been even more popular because SK agencies were very into China markets in 2015 and in 2016. How can you be so sure that HuangAn definitely raised her Gallup scoring and not lowered it?  Tzuyu was already getting solo CFs and solo variety shows before HuangAn incident.

 

Sure, everything we said now about 2016 are merely speculations and we cannot turn back time to proof anything. 

Let's accept that such things are our opinion and don't behave if as they are bible truths. 

 

Where in my reply to you did I say you are writing negative things about Tzuyu? I said you are writing the same thing.  Go and read those threads I mentioned.  The things they posted were the exact same things you posted.  Anyone with basic understanding of the English language can differentiate this. Doesn't matter the contents are negative, neutral or positive, they are the same = that Tzuyu's gallup scores in 2016 was due to HuangAn incident. Are your contents 'negative'?  Do you think so?  It's up to you.  I am not keen to start another series of conversations with you on the definition of 'negative'.

 

If there is anything I am accusing you in this thread are these, (1) up to now you have shown you know very little about Gallup and how the SK people would vote.  (2) All your predictions for Gallup 2017 were wrong. You do not look like an expert on Gallup scoring for 2016 and 2017. (3) You should not accuse others of 'lying to themselves'  because they don't agree with your opinion on Gallup 2016.  This are my accusations. For your benefit, I am writing this clearly so that you can understand.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(1) The HuangAn incident lasted about 2 weeks in January 2016. After which it was never mentioned by public media again probably for the sake of JYPE and Tzuyu. So SK kept this saga close to their hearts and voted Tzuyu later in Gallup survey? What a caring nation....

(2) Twice gained massive popularity with Cheer Up since April 2016 and TT later on and have non-stop CF, public performance and promotional activities in 2016.

Gallup survey was conducted all the way up to Nov 2016. And you think a 2 weeks saga in Jan 2016 (1) has more impact than (2)?

HuangAn incident could have helped to make more SK people know about Tzuyu during Jan 2016. This much might be true. But to say the incident swayed their votes to Tzuyu later on in 2016 is clearly a stretch.

And you think SK thought that what happened to Tzuyu was their national business? And you think more SK voted Tzuyu because of (1) for what, due to the promotional effect or sympathy? Clearly (1) has much less promotional effect than (2) which lasted for the whole year.

It would be more logical to say that because of rise of Twice, it helped Tzuyu to rank high rather than the HuangAn incident. To use your own words, we would be lying if we didn't acknowledge that the rise of Twice helped Tzuyu to rank high for Gallup 2016.

If we change the setting and if we are talking about Tzuyu's ranking in some of Taiwanese popularity surveys then I would think HuangAn incident must have boosted her popularity ranking in Taiwan. To the Taiwanese, HuangAn incident has greater significance and symbolism. You don't even need to convince me about the role of HuangAn incident here.

Situation and circumstances vary. We should not over-simplify things.

Concerning your predictions, which part of it was even remotely correct?

Nayeon, Tzuyu were in top 10, JY was one rank below Tzuyu just 0.3% less than Tzuyu.

Many idols that were pushed by their agencies didn't show up at all.

Idols that you thought were highly popular that would made the chart didn't show up at all (except one obvious new male rookie).

Looking at your own predictions again, do you think you really understand the factors affected the popularity of kpop singers with the SK public?

"GD probably can have a solo fan sign event and have ten thousands or even hundred thousands of people fill up the room . but can you say the same for Tzuyu in SK right now"

Since you don't follow GD and don't know much about GD, why do you keep talking about him?

Has he ever had a ten thousands or even hundred thousands of people fansign?

Fansign and live concerts are not the same thing.

According to you, the fact that he has held concerts with much larger turnout than IU means he should be ranked higher than IU? What is your logic and connection? Now are you saying IU should rank lower than GD?

Gallup surveyed the general public and not GD fandom. The people participated in the survey might not have been to GD fansign or his concert. A large part of the general public are not fans of any kpop singer to begin with.

Going by your GD logic and by fansign turnout, won't the top 20 Gallup kpop stars be all male kpop stars?

The Gallup survey is constructed to gain an insight of who the public like and not who has larger fandom.

You are mixing the two.

You still don't really understand Gallup survey 2016, do you?

Yes, if Tzuyu and GD held fansign in 2016 in the same hotel and give short notice about their fan sign to the general public, firstly, I don't think both will have ten thousands turning up in short notice but I fully expect Tzuyu's room to be filled up faster with demographic group age 13 to 29 particularly with fanboys.

If the fansign was held around the time during LOA debut and before HuangAn event, I would be willing to place a huge bet that Tzuyu's fansign room would be filled up faster. She was trending crazily during that period, trended every day for several weeks, office workers, housewife, teenagers were all searching about her.As you can see her gallup score this year almost dropped half compare to last year and Twice is very active this year and is rising. "

I already explained in my original post how I thought Tzuyu lost most of the 2.5%.

If the effect is as you said, it should be a general effect across the board and we should see Tzuyu dropped across all demographic groups. But Tzuyu continued to be in the top 10 among the male demographic.

Most of her 2.5% drop was from the female demographic and there was a male rookie who gained majority % of votes with the female demographic. Is this difficult to understand?

You asked will a stan changed their mind within months? Are female stans supposed to be more faithful to female kpop singers and be highly resistant to highly attractive male kpop singers?

Yes, people changed their minds every year and have you seen the Gallup ranking for past 3 years that I posted?

The popularity index % for all top 20 kpop singers changed a lot every year.

IU 21.5% in 2015, 6.60% in 2016, 14.50% in 2017.

GD 15.80% in 2015, 5.9% in 2016, 7.90% in 2017.

Taeyeon 11.7% in 2015, 11.80% in 2016 and 3.80% in 2017.

Not just Nayeon, there are some other female kpop singers whose popularity index has increased. If they shone in 2017 and the public love them, what has it got to do with Tzuyu popularity index dropping? There are also other female kpop singers dropping in popularity and dropping out of the top 20 charts totally.

Did all 9 Twice members appear in the top 20 list because Twice is active? You think Nayeon appeared simply because Twice is active? Give her more credit please. Again, if you don't pay much attention to Nayeon, please don't drag her into the discussion (like GD).My suggestions to you:

Many of us already wrote pages and pages of how Tzuyu's SK language, her being a foreigner, her being quiet and her lack of solo activities would lead to her Gallup popularity index dropping and now you are saying all the above are not relevant and it was because of HuangAn effect?

Because you are so keen to argue that your HuangAn effect theory is correct, that SK will remember something that happened in Jan 2016 and intentionally voted for Tzuyu many months further down in 2016 as their favourite kpop singer, you made all kind of connections, second guess SK public and went into loops after loops to try to tell me Tzuyu was not as popular as she seems in 2016?

For the past years, there were regularly new threads on OH from stans comparing their faves versus Tzuyu.

In all these threads, the OP would write the exact same points that you wrote.

They tried to convince people how their faves are most popular and more popular than Tzuyu.

That Tzuyu only gets high votes because of HuangAn and because SK feels sorry for her.

How Tzuyu is not popular in SK at all.

Your points will resonate with them. Please post your contents in those threads.

You will get many upvotes and I won't be there to respond to you and explain things.

I have never felt the need to defend Tzuyu and explain things outside of Tzuyu's thread.

Her popularity is not decided by discussions on OH.

Many Tzuyu antis are already writing the same contents like yours on OH all the time.

In Tzuyu thread, please don't spread your half baked assumption of how Tzuyu is not really that popular in SK.

No doubt she is not the most popular but where there are clear evidence of her popularity, we don't need to act like Tzuyu anti and argue against the evidence.

In Kpop, fandoms talk shit about other kpop singers all the time. In Tzuyu's thread, can we give the benefit of the doubt to Tzuyu? Can we not undermine her and spread negative message about her?

 

 

 

 

 

I understand what you are saying but you are mixing 2 things together.

 

What you are saying is that HuangAn's incident led to more SK getting to know Tzuyu and thus helping her in her popularity.  Whilst this notion seems logical and believeable, it is not totally true in Tzuyu's case.  It is an over-simplistic way of looking at things and also ignoring many other events.

 

Let's look at what if there was no HuangAn incident.

 

(1) Before HuangAn incident, Tzuyu was trending every day non-stop during LOA debut.  She was so popular that she got a solo Telecom CF and even got into several solo variety show appearance.   KBS even wanted to do a series with Tzuyu and her brother.  She didn't need HuangAn to raise her profile or get all the solo activities.  In fact, some Tzuyu stans had argued had it not been HuangAn, Tzuyu might end up having more solo CFs particularly for companies which might want to attract the China markets in 2016.

 

(2) If Tzuyu is in a nugu group then HuangAn incident might be important for more SK to get to know her.  But Twice was already the NGG in 2016.  Without HuangAn, Tzuyu would have been known to most of SK 13 to 29 demographic groups anyway.

 

Secondly, if your assertion is correct, then many kpop singers who had high profile and were regularly appearing on TV in 2016 and 2017 should also get into top 20 Gallup ranking in 2016 and 2017.  There were several dozens of such kpop singers and they didn't get into top 20.  There are female kpop singers that acted in drama and/or appeared in many variety shows and/or appeared in many CFs in 2016 and 2017 and they were not in the top 20 most popular kpop singers.  Your assertion holds no water at all.

 

The fact that the public get to see Tzuyu doesn't mean they will like Tzuyu and choose her as their favourite.

There is no point for you to keep telling about how HuangAn helps Tzuyu.  To me, such an assumption is an over-simplification of the situation and also does not explain how other female with a lot more limelight and solo activities did not make it.

 

To me, if I made an assertion, the assertion must be consistent and be able to explain all the related events in the circumstances. Making assumption that oversimplifies things or which cannot offer logical explanations to many related issues is to me being lazy in analyzing the situation and jumping to conclusion.  This is not my style and it is a waste of  your time to keep trying to tell me the same thing.

 

This year another rookie ranked above GD again.  I think you still don't understand the meaning of Top 20 Gallup ranking?  What does it mean to rank above or below another kpop singer?  It has nothing to do with capability or making impact.  Do you think SK think that a new male rookie is more capable than GD?

 

Why do people in this thread love Tzuyu?  Do you even understand why are we all here and why are you here?

Does anyone of us think that Tzuyu is more capable than GD or is equally capable as Taeyeon (this year Tzuyu and Taeyeon have the same popularity index).   None of us are stupid enough to assert that Tzuyu is more capable than GD and Taeyeon but we still love Tzuyu.

 

Your assertion has always been wrong.  If Gallup top 20 ranking is based on capability and impact, Tzuyu would never made it into the top 20 in 2017.  Isn't this what some of you predicted, that Tzuyu and Twice members won't make it to the top 20 in 2017?  Now that your prediction is proven wrong and you still think your long-held basis is correct?

 

I am not going list out all the names of kpop singers who have many solo activities, acted in drama, have numerous CF and variety shows appearance in 2016/2017 and yet did not make it to the top 20 because I don't want to bring drama to Tzuyu's thread.  I can also think of many more capable kpop singers who never make it into the top 20 Gallup ranking.  Until you find an explanation for all the long suffering fans of these kpop singers and why the SK public did not vote their faves as the top 20, please stop telling me how HuangAn has helped to raise Tzuyu's profile.  [see (1) and (2) above again]

 

Bottomline is this, you have written the same thing to me several times and we keep getting into loops on the same point.  You may think I am lying to myself, it's ok.  I have tried to list all my explanations and this is all I can do.  I am not prepared to go over the same point with you another 20 times.  It's a waste of your time and my time.

 

 

 

 

 

You can understand and predict the Gallup survey a lot better if you just visualize a portion of the public that are tzuyu stans.These are the people that chose Tzuyu as their favourites. They probably like several kpop singers but Tzuyu is their favourites; in OH term = the ultimate bias.

 

And if you forget about the misconceived notion that Tzuyu was chosen because of SK's sympathy or because HuangAn incident has a huge impact, then all the Gallup's numbers in 2016 or 2017 would be logical.

 

If Tzuyu was chosen in 2016 because of HuangAn's incident, Tzuyu should have dropped out of the top 20 in 2017.

You cannot expect the public to sympathise with her forever. You could also say she made little impact in 2017 since she didn't have any individual activity nor did she make any sound when she was on variety shows.

 

If Tzuyu was chosen in 2016 because of Tzuyu's stans then it made sense that she managed to retain her top 20 ranking. Tzuyu's stans normally don't change their ult bias within months.

 

When will Tzuyu stans change their ultra bias?

Usually 2 reasons; stop feeling for Tzuyu or mostly because they are swept off their feet by another better kpop singer.

 

In my original anaysis, Tzuyu was supposed to maintain her popularity close to 2016. I was looking for a strong female competitor that could sway her stans and didn't think there was a very strong one in 2017. However, in my constructed model, I made the mistake of not considering a strong male competitor.

 

As it turns out, Tzuyu lost 2.5% popularity because of the emergence of very strong male kpop singer.

This male rookie came out of nowhere and shot up to became no. 2 in Gallup top 20 kpop singer in 2017.

His situation is rather similar to Tzuyu in 2016.

How did I come to the conclusion that some Tzuyu's stans have changed their ult bias to a male kpop singer?

 

In 2016, Tzuyu was top 10 in all the 4 demographic groups of male 13 to 19, male 20 to 29, female 13 to 19 and female 20 to 29.

In 2017, Tzuyu was still top 10 in male 13 to 19 and male 20 to 29 (meaning she is still highly popular with the male population) but she has dropped out of top 10 in the female 13 to 19 and female 20 to 29.

She is still popular with female, just no longer in the top 10 most popular with the female demographic.

 

In the female demographic, there is this new rookie in 2017, he came out of nowhere and gotten a major percentage of votes with the female demographic. There is a good chance some of the Tzuyu's female stans were swept off their feet by this highly popular male rookie. The law of nature is a powerful force, attraction of the opposite gender.

 

 

 

Tzuyu is a lot more popular with the SK public versus all the names you mentioned. Tzuyu got into top 10 of Gallup most popular Kpop idols both years by her mere existence and nothing else. The fact that Tzuyu can be so popular with the SK public is because they do not discriminate her as a foreigner. The SK public actually love her.

 

Tzuyu is just 18. An idol can continue to be popular up to age 25/27. If she is well managed and makes the right choices she is not going to be in her twilight anytime soon.

 

Just to clarify, when I talked about Tzuyu's career in SK, I am not referring to a long term career like working in SK for the next 20 years. I am mainly talking about her career whilst she is still a Twice member probably in the next 5 years or well...if she renews her next contract with JYPE a bit longer. No matter what, as long as she is in SK she needs to improve her SK to realise her potential in SK.

 

Of course she is not going to be a full time variety shows guest. She is likely going to stay as a singer with Twice and then get some individual activities like variety shows here and there, CFs and maybe even acting potential (<--- only possible if her Korean is good). Let's not compare Tzuyu to other foreigners. I don't think we are talking about the same level of popularity with the SK public.

 

Tzuyu is likely going to still be in SK in the next 5 to 8 years. Is she supposed to continue to not make a sound when Twice are on variety shows going forward? This is what I am saying.

 

At this point Twice also looks like they are likely to be hugely popularity in Japan and we don't know how this is going to impact Twice and Tzuyu as well.

 

Beyond the next 5 years or more, I will leave it to Tzuyu to decide what she wants to do. It's no point speculating too far ahead.

 

On a side note, I was very into Taiwan entertainment industry before SK. If she cannot continue as an entertainer in SK or anywhere else in a meaningful way, I would rather she just retires from the industry and do something else rather than being an artist in Taiwan. It is too small a pond for her and she will have to lower her standard too much to fit in. Is she supposed to act in low budget Taiwanese idol drama? Or try to be funny in Taiwanese variety shows (I am sure you and I know the popular contents in Taiwanese variety shows). What else can she do? Be the guest of honour in major Taiwanese entertainment industry ceremonies? Be a solo singer in Taiwan? Is it worth being chased all over by Taiwanese reporters or regularly being politicized by Taiwanese politicians?

 

 

I agree. I really hope Tzuyu can learn from Sana and improve her korean more. I dont think she can achieve her potential in SK if she doesnt learn the language properly soon :(

She is promoting in SK for at least till the next 5 years. There’s limit of how far she can go with her limited language. I hope she will realize this soon and make learning the language as her first priority next year~~~~

I am glad that Tzuyu made it to top 10 gallup this year (#9 tied with seolhyun and taeyeon). There are quite of drop compare to last year but i kinda expected it already so im still happy with the result ~~~

A mock was posted in the voting thread

 

  

 

And with hair edited off the forehead

 

  

 

But I didn't like the hair over her eye  D:

The edited ones look kinda unnatural for me :(

I like the original one better. The hair looks ok. Imma vote for that one if it getd nominated.. and do you know tzuyu's teaser for HS? It looks really good as well. Idk why no one nominated it :(

 

 

 

reposting it

Damn i gasped. This is a badge material!

You can try the google link in this tweet. This user has been uploading her own recordings.

Click here to view the Tweet

 

Or if you can get the full youtube link of the video, copy the whole link and replace the 'youtube' in the link with 'youpak'.

You should be able to watch the video on youpak.

Thank you so much!!!

I hate inkigayo. They always block their content in my country :(

 

 

 

Some backgrounds:

 

Gallup is an international professional market research company and Gallup reports have been published in SK for more than 10 years? It is an annual survey of which the full annual report is sold to SK institutions.

 

We are talking about the annual survey of the most-liked idol singers which is not a new survey. This survey has been published in SK for many years annually.

 

The exact question in the survey goes like this:

Among the idol singers currently active in groups or solo, who is your favourite singer/member?

(only the 13 to 29 years old was asked this question)

 

If you insist that those who made the biggest impact will be most-liked, sure. I am not going into such speculations because the Gallup survey didn't ask "who do you think made the biggest impact in kpop this year". It's your opinion and no one has the right to change it.

 

You can also insist Gallup may not have been professional in their survey findings and gotten misleading findings.

As in people who voted for Tzuyu actually didn't think Tzuyu was their favourite, they just somehow selected her.

Again, it's your speculation and opinion, we don't need to discuss over them.

 

The survey question ask people to choose their favourite idol singer. I am just going to leave it as it is.

 

On OH, many people actually take similar stands like yours. Go to any thread where OH members claimed their faves are the most popular among the SK public and in order to prove their faves are more relevant than Tzuyu, they usually use similar arguments as yours.

 

Concerning the term "public relevance" let's understand it a bit more.

 

Some things are facts which means we don't have to go into an endless loop. For example, we know demographic age group of 1 to 12 and age 60 to 90 are not into kpop. We have some babies dancing to kpop video but we know those are the exceptions. Demographic age group of 30 and above are also most likely to be concerned with careers and family and have little time for kpop?

 

No dispute here. Tzuyu is not well-known among age 1 to 12, age 60 to 90. No need to go into endless loops for this.

When Gallup reports, the press and kpop fans talked about high public popularity for their faves, we are referring to the demographic groups of the population who are into popular culture. (Of course on OH, many people think their fandom is the same as the public...)

 

When we talk about kpop star public relevance, we are mainly talking about kpop star in relation to their main customer segment which is age 13 to age 29. This is the targeted demographic group for the 'favourite' idol singer survey every year. No one is under the illusion that a kpop star will be popular among whole of SK or JP general population.

 

We only know that the survey's findings were:

 

Out of 1,000 members of the public age between 13 to 29,

 

(1) 118 chose Taeyeon as their favourite idol singer

(2) 66 chose IU as their favourite idol singer

(3) 63 chose Tzuyu

(4) 59 chose GD

 

So how many people out of 1,000 know Tzuyu? We don't know. Because the survey asked "Who is your favourite idol singer". If 63 out of 1,000 chose Tzuyu, does it mean only 63 out of 1,000 know Tzuyu? Hmm... I think more might know Tzuyu but Tzuyu might not be their favourite idol singer?

 

Next, you can easily start a new branch of argument claiming, "Yeah, see, I was right, how can you say Tzuyu has high public relevance when only (6.3%) 63 chose Tzuyu as their favourite stars out of 1,000 of people age 13 to 29?" Before you do this, let me explain the context.

 

If we raise the temperature of a can of water by 3 degree Celsius, no big deal. Nothing happen. We might not even notice it. Nothing significant. If we raise the body temperate of a person by 3 degree Celsius and leave him in this state for 2 days, he died. Very significant. It's all relative.

 

In 2016 Gallup favourite idol kpop singer ranking, the no. 20 has a ratio of 1.8% meaning 18 out of 1,000 chose him as their favourite. He is likely to be known to more than 18 people out of 1,000 but 18 chose him as the favourite.

 

We say the top 20 kpop singers have high public relevance because they are the top 20 most popular kpop singers among the hundreds/thousand of kpop singers in the demographic age group of 13 to 29. This is significant to commercial companies who may want to find idols to endorse their products that are targeted to this demographic group. This is also significant to TV station PDs whose shows may be targeting this age groups. It's the context. Is this significant to everybody? Apparently not, just read OH. On OH everyday someone claimed his or her faves are most popular in SK when their faves were not even in the top 10, maybe they expect their faves to leapfrog many places up the ranking in 2017 or 2018 or beyond. For 2017, we will know very soon.

 

I made the statement that Tzuyu has high public relevance in the kpop market because she has a ratio of 6.3% which is rarely achieved by any foreigner in SK and by any rookie. Not many kpop singer even get any score close to this in the past 10 years. It may not be high score for you but It's a high score for SK entertainment industry executives and for commercial companies who paid money to buy Gallup's report. She is also the top 3 highest among the hundreds or thousands of kpop stars in 2016. Tzuyu has high public relevance versus the rest of the kpop singers in the age 13 to age 29 general public doesn't mean Tzuyu is known to all the SK population including retirees and babies. It's the context.

 

Last but not least, I was merely trying to explain 2016 Gallup results all these times. Tzuyu did well in 2016. We will soon find out how Tzuyu fare in 2017.

 

 

 

I can only say i hope your prediction comes true because eventhough i kept saying how she may not make it to top 10, i think i will be very sad if that actually happens.

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Sorry I sometimes lurk Tzuyu's thread, and thought I would put my opinion in. Tbh, no female idol suffered a big controversy like Tzuyu did with hers in the recent years. To be in the middle of a political situation is a big deal. And tbh, although that incident did propel her into her insane popularity in 2016, I think it's safe to say Tzuyu is still one of the top Hallyu stars at the moment. She, along with 3 or 4 Twice members (Nayeon, Sana, and regardless of what International Onces say, Jeongyeon) have good public recognition. Tzuyu leading by far. She didn't even do much this year in terms of individual activities, but look at her popularity. If you guys are concerned or curious about her Gallup ranking this year, I wouldn't be. She might move down slightly if anything, but that's it.

I hope so!!

 

 

Based on the actual Gallup Report, the exact question was phrased like this:

 

현재 그룹ì´ë‚˜ 솔로로 í™œë™ ì¤‘ì¸ ì•„ì´ëŒ 가수 중

귀하께서 가장 좋아하시는 가수/멤버는 누구입니까?

(만 13~29세ì—게만)

 

Direct translation

Among the idol singers currently active in groups or solo, who is your favourite singer/member?

(only the 13 to 29 years old was asked this question)

 

To me, favourite is like. More people = more well-liked.

 

If the question is phrased like this:

Among the idol singers currently active in groups or solo, who do you know?

Then you may have a point.

 

Most known by the public is a useful indicator but not as valuable as most liked.

Just like the Brand Index that is published monthly.

This merely lists the artists that are most talked about by the press and on internet. Most talked about is not necessarily the most liked.

 

Most liked = is a valuable indicator for brand value.

Most talked about = can possibly be a valuable brand value

 

You are not the only one who don't really understand what gallup is surveying.

Majority of OH is the same....they don't bother to read the Gallup report properly and just assume.

 

Her popularity since sixteen and debut + her big solo CF at the end of 2015 + that incident + rise of Twice during CU and TT era + group CF which always had

 

Personally I believe the rise of Twice and the numerous Twice CF must have helped.

 

Unlike Produce 101, Sixteen was not that popular.

If Sixteen had high public popularity, LOA would not have flopped on the chart initially.

 

Big solo CF 12 months ago helping? It is easy to make this assumption but on closer examinations, there are several Kpop stars who are major CFs stars, none of them has popularity index above 4% in 2016.

 

Bear in mind there are many kpop artists that will never get into Gallup top 20 let alone achieving a most-liked index of 6.3% even when they were involved in drama acting, lots of variety shows, CFs or were involved in some major public news, I think it all boils down to the artist themselves, not so much the activities. Some just got it, some don't. The activities are just mediums for the public to have a chance to see/know the artist. The public do not always like what they see nor will the public always remember someone for more than 2 weeks or 2 months.

 

The same case for her japan popularity, she is arguably the most well liked and known member in Twice, thats true. But i doubt public know her more than they know an AKB member, or other established japanese stars.

 

This is typical OH material. Pretty sure a large part of SK public and JP public are not into kpop and of course a large part of SK public and JP public won't know Tom, Dick, Harry, Lucy, Mary or Tzuyu in kpop. Nothing to dispute here.

 

When we talk about popularity we are referring to the popularity of an artist among the pop music followers in a country. This is an important distinction, otherwise just like OH, people can argue in a loop forever.

 

Even the above survey question by Gallup was asked to demographic group of age 13 to 29. It is well understood certain demographic of the general public won't be into pop stars.

 

 

 

 

Based on the actual Gallup Report, the exact question was phrased like this:

 

현재 그룹ì´ë‚˜ 솔로로 í™œë™ ì¤‘ì¸ ì•„ì´ëŒ 가수 중

귀하께서 가장 좋아하시는 가수/멤버는 누구입니까?

(만 13~29세ì—게만)

 

Direct translation

Among the idol singers currently active in groups or solo, who is your favourite singer/member?

(only the 13 to 29 years old was asked this question)

 

To me, favourite is like. More people = more well-liked.

 

If the question is phrased like this:

Among the idol singers currently active in groups or solo, who do you know?

Then you may have a point.

 

Most known by the public is a useful indicator but not as valuable as most liked.

Just like the Brand Index that is published monthly.

This merely lists the artists that are most talked about by the press and on internet. Most talked about is not necessarily the most liked.

 

Most liked = is a valuable indicator for brand value.

Most talked about = can possibly be a valuable brand value

 

You are not the only one who don't really understand what gallup is surveying.

Majority of OH is the same....they don't bother to read the Gallup report properly and just assume.

 

Her popularity since sixteen and debut + her big solo CF at the end of 2015 + that incident + rise of Twice during CU and TT era + group CF which always had

 

Personally I believe the rise of Twice and the numerous Twice CF must have helped.

 

Unlike Produce 101, Sixteen was not that popular.

If Sixteen had high public popularity, LOA would not have flopped on the chart initially.

 

Big solo CF 12 months ago helping? It is easy to make this assumption but on closer examinations, there are several Kpop stars who are major CFs stars, none of them has popularity index above 4% in 2016.

 

Bear in mind there are many kpop artists that will never get into Gallup top 20 let alone achieving a most-liked index of 6.3% even when they were involved in drama acting, lots of variety shows, CFs or were involved in some major public news, I think it all boils down to the artist themselves, not so much the activities. Some just got it, some don't. The activities are just mediums for the public to have a chance to see/know the artist. The public do not always like what they see nor will the public always remember someone for more than 2 weeks or 2 months.

 

The same case for her japan popularity, she is arguably the most well liked and known member in Twice, thats true. But i doubt public know her more than they know an AKB member, or other established japanese stars.

 

This is typical OH material. Pretty sure a large part of SK public and JP public are not into kpop and of course a large part of SK public and JP public won't know Tom, Dick, Harry, Lucy, Mary or Tzuyu in kpop. Nothing to dispute here.

 

When we talk about popularity we are referring to the popularity of an artist among the pop music followers in a country. This is an important distinction, otherwise just like OH, people can argue in a loop forever.

 

Even the above survey question by Gallup was asked to demographic group of age 13 to 29. It is well understood certain demographic of the general public won't be into pop stars.

 

 

 

 

 

Based on the actual Gallup Report, the exact question was phrased like this:

 

현재 그룹ì´ë‚˜ 솔로로 í™œë™ ì¤‘ì¸ ì•„ì´ëŒ 가수 중

귀하께서 가장 좋아하시는 가수/멤버는 누구입니까?

(만 13~29세ì—게만)

 

Direct translation

Among the idol singers currently active in groups or solo, who is your favourite singer/member?

(only the 13 to 29 years old was asked this question)

 

To me, favourite is like. More people = more well-liked.

 

If the question is phrased like this:

Among the idol singers currently active in groups or solo, who do you know?

Then you may have a point.

 

Most known by the public is a useful indicator but not as valuable as most liked.

Just like the Brand Index that is published monthly.

This merely lists the artists that are most talked about by the press and on internet. Most talked about is not necessarily the most liked.

 

Most liked = is a valuable indicator for brand value.

Most talked about = can possibly be a valuable brand value

 

You are not the only one who don't really understand what gallup is surveying.

Majority of OH is the same....they don't bother to read the Gallup report properly and just assume.

 

Her popularity since sixteen and debut + her big solo CF at the end of 2015 + that incident + rise of Twice during CU and TT era + group CF which always had

 

Personally I believe the rise of Twice and the numerous Twice CF must have helped.

 

Unlike Produce 101, Sixteen was not that popular.

If Sixteen had high public popularity, LOA would not have flopped on the chart initially.

 

Big solo CF 12 months ago helping? It is easy to make this assumption but on closer examinations, there are several Kpop stars who are major CFs stars, none of them has popularity index above 4% in 2016.

 

Bear in mind there are many kpop artists that will never get into Gallup top 20 let alone achieving a most-liked index of 6.3% even when they were involved in drama acting, lots of variety shows, CFs or were involved in some major public news, I think it all boils down to the artist themselves, not so much the activities. Some just got it, some don't. The activities are just mediums for the public to have a chance to see/know the artist. The public do not always like what they see nor will the public always remember someone for more than 2 weeks or 2 months.

 

The same case for her japan popularity, she is arguably the most well liked and known member in Twice, thats true. But i doubt public know her more than they know an AKB member, or other established japanese stars.

 

This is typical OH material. Pretty sure a large part of SK public and JP public are not into kpop and of course a large part of SK public and JP public won't know Tom, Dick, Harry, Lucy, Mary or Tzuyu in kpop. Nothing to dispute here.

 

When we talk about popularity we are referring to the popularity of an artist among the pop music followers in a country. This is an important distinction, otherwise just like OH, people can argue in a loop forever.

 

Even the above survey question by Gallup was asked to demographic group of age 13 to 29. It is well understood certain demographic of the general public won't be into pop stars.

 

 

 

 

Based on the actual Gallup Report, the exact question was phrased like this:

 

현재 그룹ì´ë‚˜ 솔로로 í™œë™ ì¤‘ì¸ ì•„ì´ëŒ 가수 중

귀하께서 가장 좋아하시는 가수/멤버는 누구입니까?

(만 13~29세ì—게만)

 

Direct translation

Among the idol singers currently active in groups or solo, who is your favourite singer/member?

(only the 13 to 29 years old was asked this question)

 

To me, favourite is like. More people = more well-liked.

 

If the question is phrased like this:

Among the idol singers currently active in groups or solo, who do you know?

Then you may have a point.

 

Most known by the public is a useful indicator but not as valuable as most liked.

Just like the Brand Index that is published monthly.

This merely lists the artists that are most talked about by the press and on internet. Most talked about is not necessarily the most liked.

 

Most liked = is a valuable indicator for brand value.

Most talked about = can possibly be a valuable brand value

 

You are not the only one who don't really understand what gallup is surveying.

Majority of OH is the same....they don't bother to read the Gallup report properly and just assume.

 

Her popularity since sixteen and debut + her big solo CF at the end of 2015 + that incident + rise of Twice during CU and TT era + group CF which always had

 

Personally I believe the rise of Twice and the numerous Twice CF must have helped.

 

Unlike Produce 101, Sixteen was not that popular.

If Sixteen had high public popularity, LOA would not have flopped on the chart initially.

 

Big solo CF 12 months ago helping? It is easy to make this assumption but on closer examinations, there are several Kpop stars who are major CFs stars, none of them has popularity index above 4% in 2016.

 

Bear in mind there are many kpop artists that will never get into Gallup top 20 let alone achieving a most-liked index of 6.3% even when they were involved in drama acting, lots of variety shows, CFs or were involved in some major public news, I think it all boils down to the artist themselves, not so much the activities. Some just got it, some don't. The activities are just mediums for the public to have a chance to see/know the artist. The public do not always like what they see nor will the public always remember someone for more than 2 weeks or 2 months.

 

The same case for her japan popularity, she is arguably the most well liked and known member in Twice, thats true. But i doubt public know her more than they know an AKB member, or other established japanese stars.

 

This is typical OH material. Pretty sure a large part of SK public and JP public are not into kpop and of course a large part of SK public and JP public won't know Tom, Dick, Harry, Lucy, Mary or Tzuyu in kpop. Nothing to dispute here.

 

When we talk about popularity we are referring to the popularity of an artist among the pop music followers in a country. This is an important distinction, otherwise just like OH, people can argue in a loop forever.

 

Even the above survey question by Gallup was asked to demographic group of age 13 to 29. It is well understood certain demographic of the general public won't be into pop stars.

 

 

Maybe that part be Tzuyu line for this song

Sent from my SM-J700F using OneHallyu mobile app

Reminds me of goodbye baby by miss A where they included suzy’s name in the lyric lol. Now ive become more excited, cant wait for the release.

HuangAn's incident was the cause of her face being aired to the SK general public for about 2 weeks. This much is true but it doesn't mean the public should like her and vote her as their favourite kpop star. OH conveniently attributed her popularity to this.

 

In fact, there are overwhelming evidence that the SK general public do not simply like anyone that is being exposed to them regularly. There were many female kpop stars that appeared regularly on the TV in 2016, some who were being pushed a lot by their agencies, some went through highly popular survival shows, some appearing in many CFs, none of them made it to the top 10 overall gallup popularity list in 2016.

 

Tzuyu popularity score was 6.3% and at no. 11 ranking was 3.2% in 2016. This means Tzuyu's popularity has to dropped by half for her to drop out of top 10.

 

Things that kpop fans like may not appeal to the SK public in general. For example, kpop male stars are at a disadvantage because 50% of the general public - the male population are not into male kpop stars in general. It also takes more than 1 year of high popularity before the SK public will notice a kpop star. For example, out of the top 20 Gallup list in 2016, there were only 4 rookies in the list - 3 from Twice and Somi. The other 16 were veterans in the kpop industry. My prediction for 2017 is that we should still see several Twice members in the top 20 Gallup list.

 

Yes, going by 6.3% we can say Tzuyu's public relevancy is as high as IU and GD. This does not mean that Tzuyu is as capable as IU or GD, it just means that the number of members of public who are fond of Tzuyu are as many as those who are fond of IU and GD. This also does not mean that Tzuyu has as many music fans as IU. Members of the public can love IU songs but actually like Tzuyu as an idol more. For example, I love several of IU and Big Bang songs but my favourite idol is Tzuyu. Many SK men may love IU songs but may prefer to marry Tzuyu for example.

 

Many people will ask, what about Tzuyu, if not for the sympathy of SK public, how could the SK public love a foreigner so much? Well, it is happening in Japan again. Did Tzuyu do anything special in their Japan promotion so far? Was she pushed by JYPE? Yet there are lots of evidence that Tzuyu's popularity is right up there with the J-Trinity.

 

Tzuyu is special. Everything since Tzuyu's debut point to this fact. She wasn't the best dancer nor the best singer in Sixteen but ended up being the most popular for the online voting in the last few episodes of Sixteen. Helped by HuangAn, she became the most popular gen 3 female idols in SK in 2016 (if not for HuangAn it may take some time). 2 sec of her face appearing on JP Music Station made her trended in Japan.

 

In China I think Tzuyu is also the most popular Twice member. People who can read chinese and frequent Baidu Twice bar will be able to verify what I say - her pictures and videos always have the most favourable comments and the number of comments are typically multiple times more than other Twice members. Her Chinese fans also managed to raise enough money to put her face on NY Time Square. OH, as usual, is out of sync with reality, in that many people on OH think that China hates Tzuyu. China didn't become a world economy and military super power by being stupid. Majority of Chinese are a lot smarter than the average OH members, as if the Chinese actually believe in the accusation that a 16 years old is going to fight for her country's independence. If there was any doubt about the incident, the Chinese authority made it very clear who they thought was the party at fault. HuangAn has in the past called out celebrities who were pro Taiwan independence and was awarded letter of commendation by the chinese authority several times. For Tzuyu's incident, he was banned from attending Chinese talk shows and variety shows since and was accused of inciting the emotions of the Chinese people. Of course, OH either didn't know about this or conveniently skipped such details.

 

The greatest threat to Tzuyu's popularity is if there is a young kpop star whose visual are better than Tzuyu, who is more endearing to the SK public and is more capable than her. In the meantime, Tzuyu will need to keep improving so that she can compete well when such a competitor appears.

Umm.. correct me if im wrong, but i always thought gallup is voted according public popularity... like who is the most known among public? It’s always true that Tzuyu is the most known among public... but most known doesnt mean most liked. Because unlike fandom who tend to be more extreme in supporting their bias, public just goes to vote whose name they heard more. 2016 was Twice year, everybody can agree to that, and Tzuyu was hot topic during early year. Although the incident itself only lasted for few weeks like you said, her name was all over SK (even news). People may have forget the incident already, but the effect wouldnt just disappear in few months, especially with Twice rising during CU era. I know celebrities have controversies here and there, but Tzuyu’s level was different. She wasnt dating, make inappropriate marks, or other insignificant thing knetz often ravaged about. It was a matter between two countries (or three, if you count SK who supported her as well).

 

Again, i dont think thats the only thing contributed to her 2016 rank... i believe it’s the combo of:

Her popularity since sixteen and debut + her big solo CF at the end of 2015 + that incident + rise of Twice during CU and TT era + group CF which always had her as center (at least most of them)

 

But still, i dont think public thinks she is more popular than GD... (according gallup last year, she was). Im not saying, the vote wasnt accurate as well. Hell it was. But once more, i think it’s more like a combo of what i mentioned above. If we go by this year, she only has popularity and visual + Being a Twice member+ group CF combo. Which is what worried me the most.

 

The same case for her japan popularity, she is arguably the most well liked and known member in Twice, thats true. But i doubt public know her more than they know an AKB member, or other established japanese stars.

 

 

 

Tzuyu did not have any solo work in 2016 either, didn’t have much in 2017 and I think it will be the same in 2018 unless a big PD forced the hand of JYPE.

Your sentiments are precisely the same as OH which I think will be way off the mark. Sentiments felt by the tiny Kpop communities are typically not in sync with the general public. This is evident if you compare how OH felt in 2016 and the actual Gallup popularity index in 2016. I maybe wrong but we shall know soon.

Ah true. But she was a hot topic at the beginning of the year of 2016. Not really for good cause, i know. And im not saying that was all there is. I mean we all know how popular she has been ever since sixteen happened. But i also think ‘that’ did contribute to her high rank on gallup last year in SK (and maybe some of her solo CF in the end of 2015 helped as well.. idk just my guess). I mean... she was up there with GD and IU, can we really say she was at their level of public relevancy?

 

But i do hope she can make it to top 10 though. And she probably will. She is arguably still the most popular in Twice among SK general public afterall. Like you said, let’s just see.

Last year Gallup report was released around 26 December.

 

If the official release date is still the same, we will get Gallup report for 2017 in another 3 to 4 weeks.

 

It will be interesting to see how Tzuyu fare this year.

 

Some interesting points about Tzuyu in Gallup 2016 survey reports:

 

Tzuyu's popularity index is shockingly high at 6.3% and in the same range as GD (5.9%) and IU (6.6%), both of which have been at the top of SK entertainment industry for > 5 years. It was just Tzuyu's debut year.

 

Her popularity index is 2 times more than any of the new gen female kpop star. Which means in order for any new gen female kpop star to overtake her, either Tzuyu has to drop a lot in popularity or another new gen female kpop star has to increase her popularity by 100% (never an easy feat and I am not sure if any new gen kpop female star has ever achieved this within one year). I personally think that a kpop star will need to feature in a highly successful TV drama to achieve a popularity rating of > 5%.

 

Tzuyu was also the only Twice members to appear in top 10 most popular kpop star in 4 different demographics.

Group I - age 13 to 18 Male demographics where 3 other Twice members also featured.

In Group II - age 19 to 29 male, Group III age 13 to 18 female and Group IV age 19 to 29 female only Tzuyu was in the top 10 most popular. The traditional kpop market is made up of teenagers from age 13 to age 18. It is typically difficult to earn the affection of age 19 to 29 groups.

 

OH also tend to be out of sync with SK public in general. All the supposedly highly popular kpop star featured by OH members didn't make the cut in the top 10 in these demographics. The reason why I highlight this is so that we don't discuss who may overtake Tzuyu in this thread because some of us will end up making some negative remarks and will cause dispute.

 

General discussions should be safe. Some of us may be worried that Tzuyu's popularity may drop because she wasn't featured much by JYPE in 2017. But then she also wasn't featured much by JYPE in 2016. In 2017, I don't see any new gen female kpop star having a huge impact with the general public and increasing her popularity by 100%. The SK general public do not pay much attention to what's happening in the kpop circle in the first place.

 

 

It's difficult to predict whether Tzuyu will increase or drop in her popularity rating. But in the worst case scenario, I don't foresee her suffering a big drop. Hopefully she will surprise us again like she surprised us in 2016 with regards to Gallup popularity scores.

I dont really expect alot tbh... Tzuyu didnt get much spotlight this year.. and other companies has been pushing their individual idols much more than JYPE has ever done to Tzuyu.. (e.g dia’s chaeyeon, gugudan’s sejong, wjsn’s cheng xiao, etc). Tzuyu doesnt have a single solo work this year. And dont forget there’re also wanna one’s members. In fact, i will be surprised if any of Twice members make it to top 10 because JYPE has been focusing on group promotion this year (maybe sana has the chance. Her popularity has increased alot this year in SK). I dont want to sounds negative but idk... i just hope JYPE can finally give Tzuyu some promotion she deserves next year.

Guys please vote wild card chance for Tzuyu later when the round came along.

Haru missed adding my suggestion to the poll so he just add them like yesterday.

Not that I think they would won, but anyway there are few great Tzuyu photos just pop up recently that I think will be great to add on wild card round.

I personally like the photo from Jihyo photo book and season greeting, esp the Jihyo one.

I already asked Haru if the photos would passed, he says yes.

This photo is such a great shot and it feels very intimate moment with her too

Very close shot of her looking straight at the lense.

And this photo is just so so pretty!!

I like these 2 the best compare among all the option right now Lmao

I think this at least give justice to her current badge, so support it Guys~~

Where can i vote for badge?