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oh come on, if "not that type" was sung by twice, it would be easily became song of the year. gp is simply not care about our groups. are you really think good decisions are gonna make them popular now? they need something, we have a i.o.i reunion that can do something. i'm not saying it's gonna change everything but it's the most obvious option in our hands right now. or should we wait a viral song like bboom bboom? even if everything goes well, that's 5 groups, 5 big ass groups. it's impossible to save them all.
giving chungha as an example while discussing about post i.o.i groups is wrong. gp loved i.o.i, when they looked at chungha, they saw %100 i.o.i, when they looked at gugudan, they saw 2/9 i.o.i and a group from a company that one of the companies that took i.o.i from them. they don't care about contracts, they didn't sign anywhere. when chungha gave them a good song, they gave her a chance, when gugudan gave them a good song, they didn't give a single sh.t to them and not gonna do in the future if things keep going same.
i don't understand why you are keep saying "poor thinking, poorly planned reunion". nobody wants that in this thread. we want a well planned comeback and we want a comeback. we only felt down to see naver commenters are against any kind of comeback, not just this without somi.
and i'm putting myself in our girls' shoes. there is a path that leads them possiblity of becoming a member of nation's next girl group but people keep saying "noo, you should only stick with your company's group and finish your idol life without a big success." (nayoung exclusive: you should pay your debts after finding a new job)
Gugudan debuted on Melon with Wonderland at 17. A Girl Like Me debuted in the 30's. It wasn't a situation where people went "They're not IOI, we won't give them a chance." They gave them a chance. The songs didn't stick. If you like the songs that's great, but the public didn't. Pristin was in the 50's. Weki Meki was 90's.
Bboom Bboom was in the 300's, so people really did not know the song existed until the media play happened and it turned out once ears were on the song that people liked it. Twice are built on JYP making good decision after good decision with them. Even when IOI existed they didn't get the level of company support that Twice had at the same time.
Chungha was on the post-IOI course too. Week and WDYK were 50 and 40 something. It could have gone up or down. But it went to the teens on Melon because the song was good. And through that they booked her smaller ad gigs, tried to put her on shows, and then released Roller Coaster which the public also really liked. She won 0 music award shows and what did her company do? They placed Gotta Go in a time with less competition. Smart decision. Now she's entering a stage where people trust her company to make good decisions for her. If you just make songs that drop like stones you're going to erode that trust. A good song isn't just your personal opinion, it's what everyone is willing to listen to.
A lot of me talking about bad decision making comes from the other thread, so if you didn't read that that's fine. I also don't know why you're saying people think they should finish up their career's with their company's group. The girls mentioned they want to get back together in 2021 and I've always taken them at their word for that. So when I see the companies want to get back together without Jeon Somi I'm not going to have a positive reaction to that.
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thinking too much about what people would say while years are passing is overthinking. people gonna say same things next year and year after.
so what good decisions are gonna change our sister groups' situation right now? gugudan are releasing bop after bop, weki meki's songs are getting better and better in each comeback, dia already lost its pace and pristin sadly dead. they are not new groups anymore, where they are going to is clear to me. they need a miracle like hani fancam to be popular. maybe i.o.i reunion can affect them good.
happyface is making best decisions but korea still not accepting dreamcatcher, bbc is throwing money on loona but korea still not accepting them, ifans keep these groups relevant.
it's not that easy.
If it's your opinion that you like the songs they make that's one thing. But if you're talking about objective commercial success then the companies are not choosing songs that are sticking well. The IOI members are famous enough that they can debut on digital charts within the top 100 but then it becomes clear the public isn't that into the songs and they drop. Physical-wise they still sell a decent amount of albums but with the competition rising they've taken some losses. Can even a really great reunion with everything perfectly lined up help them? Of course, but it'll be like coming off of IOI the first time. After that initial bump it's back to the companies to make decisions, and I don't have a lot of faith in them. Can a poorly planned reunion really hurt the IOI brand? Yes, also.
Produce helps out idols, it doesn't make companies any smarter. The exception to that is Chungha's company and her CEO clearly said they choose songs for her they think will be public friendly. That's not an accident that she has four main titles in a row that did very well.
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i don't think anybody here is supporting a reunion without a member. we just got excited that reunion idea is being taken into consideration.
what's gonna change if they come together after 3 years, 4 years, 5 years? people gonna say same things. yes they are doing good individually but very few people are recognizing that, vast majority see them as failuries without a success in music.
i love our sister groups but they are selling less and less in each comeback except wjsn. a reunion won't make things worse but there is a chance it make it better. idol life is short, female idol life is shorter. it's a f.ing job and life time dream. if it makes them look desperate, let it be. people are gonna forget about that just after i.o.i hits big again.
overthinking is bad, every year without i.o.i is a waste.
People in the other thread were saying they'd be fine with a reunion without Somi.
Overthinking may be bad, but no thinking at all or poor thinking is even worse. The sister groups are selling less and less because the companies make bad decisions, and I seriously would not trust companies that make bad decisions with IOI's reunion. I can think of scenarios where a reunion would make things worse. If you look at K-Pop, the companies that do well over time make consistent, good decisions.
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I was not, they do have jobs, but let's not also pretend their popularity and success wouldn't still be far greater under the I.O.I banner and that everybody is fully aware of that. And greater popularity = greater chances to stay afloat in this competitive industry. Also, the way I was seeing it, I never meant for them to reunite under the I.O.I banner in order to replace their current work/groups/careers, but as an addition to it. Organizing an OT11 comeback once a year or every two years isn't gonna put their own personal career in jeopardy, it might even boost it. I really wouldn't mind that happening even just 2 years after I.O.I's disbandment. I can wait for it though, but I clearly wouldn't be against the idea, and seeing people not agreeing with that felt just very cynical.
They already have individual popularity. Mina is doing better now than she did in 2016. The people who are currently suffering are their company group mates and Nayoung. But one of the worst things that can happen is downgrading the IOI brand with a poorly planned and executed reunion. That may sell a few albums and act like a band-aid, but that's not going to help anyone's career in the long run.
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Not the point most of the comments made though. Most of them just want "memories to stay as they are" (as if the girls are somewhat dead? lol), and also would accuse the members from trying to cling on I.O.I's popularity because their own groups aren't successful much. Which is a bit disheartening to read, pretty sure this wouldn't be the main motivation of either of them, but also, how dare they try to survive as artists and come back to a group they knew was popular to begin with, enough to allow them to have stable careers in this cut-throat savage industry, the audacity! Honestly a lot of those comments were just... so intensely cynical it was hard to read them all.
If they do a reunion without a member, then let it stay as memories. Don't half-ass it. I'm not so desperate as a fan that I'm going to be happy with dumb companies making dumb decisions again. I had enough of that the first time around. They're friends, they like each other, they get along well, it's what we like them for, so do it with everyone.
People recognize when companies get desperate. It's not a good look. It's not like the IOI members themselves are devoid of personal jobs, except for Nayoung because of Pledis, so don't make the argument that they're potentially not going to survive in the industry without getting back together with IOI after just 2 years without IOI.
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Because if it was true it was half-assed.
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I think Starship will allow it. After all, they let's WJSN attend IOI final concert too as audience. I will not be sure about Pledis though with how they been managing Pristin
Starship also allowed for WujuMeki. They'll be on board in 2021. Pledis will be on board too. Han Sung Soo pretty much killed Pristin because he would rather work with Izone (and I guess Fromis). There's really no barrier for Nayoung and Pinky joining unless Pinky is making hand over fist money in China.
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Could even happen before that tbh. I think 2020 would be a nice date, but it mostly depends on the companies anyway. Pretty sure Fantagio, Jellyfish, MBK & Pledis could easily agree to it, but I'm not sure about Starship. M&H, TBL and S&P are mostly non-issue to me, Somi, Chungha & Sohye are very likely to have autonomy on their decisions.
June 2021 would be good. After Izone ends and CJ can devote more time and resources to it.
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Happy Birthday Chungha! Get well soon!
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Happy 1000 days IOI.
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yes. he never wanted that competition. melon music awards roty was too obvious. and he didn't send his artists to mama -imo- when he learned roty goes to i.o.i
Yeah, I definitely believe he conspired against IOI. Melon was a total YG show that year too. The funny thing is a lot of his defenders were like "Why would he care about IOI?" and then he goes and makes MixNine with the original pd 101 PD. The rivalry between the new PD101 boy group and YG's boy group this year will be interesting.
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yey thank you

i can add some tea.
a certain person couldn't go dirty on kbs to make girls stay banned. a certain person who has very strong connections with sbs

Who are you talking about, YG?
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why did they have a ban on IOI?
It was never explicitly stated but rivalry between stations is a likely answer.
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The one that got away, like seriously, during IOI days SBS just ignore them completely (though they proxy through Sejeong somehow)
It was always funny hearing SBS deny they had a ban on IOI.
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I've always wondered, what took people so long to recognize and appreciate Chung Ha? I didn't discover IOI until early last year, but watching Produce 101, it seems she was constantly on the bubble of popularity. The trainers loved her, but even in the first evaluation, she said that she felt the number of votes she got didn't match her level of skills. And while Yoo Jung definitely deserved top place for Bang Bang, Chung should have been second or third (because of Somi's popularity) and not fourth.
Now to be be honest, when I first saw her (on Knowing Bros), by her looks, I thought she would be sassy and cocky (the I know I'm pretty attitude), but she's anything but.
Edit: I thought the same thing about Sunmi, especially because of her stage persona, but when I see her on variety shows, she's actually down to earth and funny!
Watching the show as it aired my impressions of Chungha were this:
Episode 2, Good dancer, but I also thought she was mean because her and Seojung ran away from Yeseul after Yeseul tried to say hi to Seojung. In K-Pop it tends to be that Visuals, then Vocals, then Dancers attract attention.
Episode 3 - 6, In Push Push I thought Soyeon did the best out of the two teams because of her energy. Mnet was definitely giving Chungha screen time and some kind of story, though it was kind of sad/sympathetic.
Episode 7, Chungha's breakout moment, and it happened behind the scenes. She showed her choreo skills and her leadership skills. Yoojung and Doyeon should get special awards for speaking up and saying Chungha choreo'd the dance. As for being 4th, I think it's understandable. Yoojung and Somi got the center parts and Doyeon's visuals carried her throughout the show so 1-3 makes sense for what the audience was seeing. Viewers at this point didn't even know Chungha could sing or speak English and they didn't know she did the high note.







♡ Official I.O.I (아이오아이) Thread ♡
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You were talking about why aren't people giving the sister IOI groups a chance. They did. That's what the initial digital numbers mean. People check out the song and decide if they like the song or not. IOI members had enough fame for people to check out their songs and that reflects in the song debut rankings. As I keep saying the songs didn't stick. The exception is Chungha. They checked out her song, they liked it. It's exactly what her CEO wanted and aimed for. And they have to repeat that with every release. It has to be consistent good decisions. It can't just be something good happened one time and try to live off that for three years.
If you're talking about album sales, post-IOI groups are still doing better than a lot of other girl groups and hitting way above their company weight in some instances. This is something that I expected from the post-IOI groups because fans buy albums as souvenirs and it can be idol driven.
There are three lanes for the IOI members, digitals, albums, and personal schedules. But you were talking about why won't they give the songs a chance. And they did.
You said that the comments were negative. And I said because it was half assed. When I see the companies want to get back together without Jeon Somi I'm not going to have a positive reaction to that. And it's not a surprise to me that a lot of people felt the same way. There's a clear reason for a negative response and why that type of news would be met that way.