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Whenever the words IOI reunion appear search for if there's bad news about YG. They love to throw up fake IOI reunion news to deflect.
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It's not a secret that Han Sung Soo heads OTR, Izone thanks him in their speeches. He politicked his way to get to be head of OTR. And I wouldn't be surprised if he pushed for an IOI reunion in 2021 after Izone is done.
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Jungwoo's voice is excellent.
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Happy Birthday Somi! I think the Izone companies definitely looked at the IOI companies and they figured it's better to debut and promote what they have so they at least can develop an identity for the non-Izone girls. Izone functionally has a similar contract to PDX. With PDX they just do double the work in years 2.5-5 to make CJ and their original companies happy. If Yeonjung did have a 5 year contract that would leave two years left over and I think that would just go to singing ballads or OSTs. KKS is all about trying to replicate PD now with his own shows, so probably no Chaeyeon in the alternate reality of PD S1 as PD S4.
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It's 5 years with the second half being open to rejoining their companies. So we can see what the Izone companies are doing with that setup of 2.5 years no exceptions. Starship opted to put in younger trainees so they're still relatively young after the 2.5 year period. We also see Yuehua and Woollim not waiting for the contract to be up to debut their groups and they'll deal with adding in their Izone members later possibly. So if IOI had the 5 year split contract I could see something similar happening with companies like Pledis and Jellyfish debuting their groups. I could also see Yeonjung maybe never being put into WJSN. Actual IOI had a situation where her fame could help WJSN and WJSN was relatively new. But at 2.5 years that's maybe too far in, and the Starship trainees in S1 were also the girls who didn't get into WJSN. So for a 5 year contract IOI would have been her career. And with every Produce group the management gets better and more refined.
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It's more Naruto. Though I read the manga and don't watch the show.
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Mina went out with Yoojung and Yeonjung. No pictures together, they're mentioned in the comment/tag. Click here to view the Tweet
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It's clear 6,000 Naver people don't want a non-full member reunion. It's there in the numbers as evidenced by the second and third comments. If you want to think 6,000 people hate the idea of an IOI reunion, fine. As I said before, you do you. Jumped to a new phase? Moa_Nunu commented, I clarified. It was done, we gave each other internet hugs. Would you like a hug? *hugs*
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If that's the way you interpret the first one then that's your interpretation. You do you. I don't interpret it that way, and I've already stated that. Moa_Nunu brought it up and I responded to clarify my position. The 2nd comment and 3rd comment are also relative with thousands more upvotes than any of the other ones. On Naver's actual site the 2nd comment is now the top comment. I don't know why you're quoting me again. I don't know why you have a picture of the comments that aren't even from the thread you linked. If you don't want to talk about this particular topic anymore then stop bringing it up.
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Some of the comments also used Somi to demean the other girls. These were the top three from naver, which have the most votes from any of the articles and which is considered to have a less biased user base. 1. [+6,678, -528] No way ㅋㅋㅋㅋ let memories remain memories 2. [+6,091, -89] Don't do it unless everyone is back.. it'll otherwise just be like telling the world that you're only getting back together because your respective groups failed 3. [+5,629, -116] If you're going to get back together at all, do it with all the members... ㅜ I don't interpret the first one with the "no way" as just a general statement of displeasure with IOI. I think it's a response to the article's contents. The other two want everyone back together. They don't want a half-assed reunion. 2 has negativity but it's main message is get it right if you have a reunion. As for any potential reunion. I don't care about controversy or Knetz whining on nate just as long as it's not half-assed. The girls said they want to get back together in 2021, I'll support them if they do, all of them. Not 10 of them, not OT(insert number that isn't really an OT), it has to be 11. And with Pristin, they got screwed over because Han Sung Soo wanted to work with PD48 and Izone. He'd rather do that and for whatever reason felt like Pristin should go on hiatus.
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First of all, when assessing the songs you can't look at them from the PoV as a "music critic" or K-Pop music aficionado or someone that really loves and appreciates the group. Remove any adjective from around a song's title like "amazing" or "great" or "superior" or "complex" or "quality" or even "good," anything that is meant to pump up the song in your mind and convince people that it was that thing. Remove any adjective like "silly" or "simplistic" or "dated" or "cheap" or "lowpar" or "forgettable" meant to downgrade a song that did well. If you ask people what the public is like they'll not say many complimentary things. Well guess what? If you want to have public song success, you have to please those people. A hit song isn't determined by what you as an individual think. I liked a lot of IOI's sister song releases. But that doesn't matter. It's a single data point that doesn't even have a melon account. A hit is determined after the fact by what the public in Korea was listening to. That's it. 5,000 people can declare one song the greatest thing since sliced bread, the apex of human achievement, so amazing, such great, much complex, and very wonderful while 5,000,000 people, including little children, may like a song mildly but listen to it every day.You know what song was a hit and will be considered a hit? If you can't answer that question you'll never get what I'm saying. This is pop music. It's supposed to be popular. As I said previously in this topic I think the IOI sister groups got opportunity for that first listen reflected by their debut chart rankings on a lot of their releases. It's an opportunity not a lot of smaller companies get. Momoland was in the 300s when the Bboom Bboom controversy hit (and to their company's credit they did a lot of media play at the time that got ears on the song), EXID was probably even lower in ranking before the fancam. Chungha's CEO did not say I want to make the greatest most complex songs that the most discerning and deep in the shit K-Pop fan will love. "WDYK and Rollercoast were good growers that were given the chance to grow on people" the chance was given by who? By luck? By throwing darts at a board and saying "gee, I really hope people like these songs." No, that was intended. Chungha's CEO said I want to make songs the public will like. That was a good decision. His company's livelihood and Chungha's career depended on that. If you do that enough times people may give your subsequent releases a second listen or a third listen. They may give your new group a chance too. They may give your new group several listens. They may be open to your future release being experimental, different, or weird. That's the road to having some kind of company power. Company power is trust that people have in you. It can result in the perception of quality in your products before people even try them out. I absolutely agree that Itzy benefits from company power. They had the opportunity to get ears on their song as evidenced by their high debut ranking. But that's also built on JYP making very good decisions for the last few years and also being a company that survived in K-Pop for two decades. And company power can make songs sound better than they are. If people think wine is more expensive they like it more. An aside, it pains me when small companies schedule their comebacks right in the middle of several big company comebacks. It's such a dumb move to do that. Avoiding competition is a good decision if you're small. As I said in my previous posts there are three lanes I consider for Idol success; digital (MVs can go here), physical/album, and personal work like CFs, acting, solo stuff. A fourth could be touring/in person musical performances. For the IOI members overall- Digital Success - Not so good. Physical Success - Good. Individual - Very Good. All things considered I think some of the companies are hitting above their weight since their members did get to be part of IOI. They are groups that without IOI would probably be in the sub-5k album sales range and would probably not get the individual gigs for their IOI members and would probably debut in the hundreds on Melon.
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I said If they come back in 2021 with all the members and a plan with promotions and schedules that's well thought out, I'll buy their album, watch their MV and shows, and tell everyone they're the best ever on forums. You're not going to?
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In the digital arena you get support if your song is liked by the public. What being in IOI got the groups was an opportunity for the public to check out their songs. That's a big leg up on the competition. Not every group gets that. Lots of groups debut in the depths. But it doesn't guarantee that the public will keep listening to your song after that initial period of checking it out. That requires having a good A&R team to pick a song that they think the public will like. That's a skill, it's not gambling. That is why good decision making is important. You can't live off luck and past glory. If that's your business plan you're going to be unhappy. You have to keep making decisions that build off whatever bump or recognition you had. And I don't think a lot of the companies are capable of that. They make mistimed or short sighted decisions. If I read the message from the article and then read the responses some of them make sense. Because you have to go back to the article. And it's a poor sounding article. We know why now, because YG is an asshole. But it's not an article that would inspire good reactions or confidence in the IOI brand. Keep the memories in the past? Sure, if what was presented is the plan. If they come back in 2021 with all the members and a plan with promotions and schedules that's well thought out, I'll buy their album, watch their MV and shows, and tell everyone they're the best ever on forums.