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For Sehun... everything. Just everything, man. It's to the point where I'm astonished any fans think he is straight. The heterosexuality left that boy long before he was even conceived. He didn't come to California for a concert, he came to reclaim his rainbow throne hovering above San Francisco. I truly would be shocked if he wasn't gay. Like... if I had to represent it amongst the other members... Xiumin <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Baekhyun <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Sehun That fucking strong. Those three gave me the most vibes, which I did and didn't expect. Suho also did, a little bit. Chen... no man love vibes at all. /dreamscrushedforgood Not really from Chanyeol either. To be fair, I didn't pay too much attention to him. Nothing at all on D.O/Kyungsoo, aside from being impressed by his ability to keep his face blank for so long. Looked like he was staring off into space half the time. Kai disassociates during performances so it was even harder to read him despite that I was watching him a lot. He also looks so good it's unfair. Bruhhhh.... Hm... lol I'll probably get hate for saying this, but I actually did see him staring at someone in particular, even when they weren't doing anything but standing there. It was funny because he'd keep pretending like he was looking at someone/something else. Suho does gives vibes, but not quite as strong as I expected, which was a little surprising. Maybe he's more cautious than I thought. Xiumin was more surprising because he pings quite a lot in person. The way he dances alone is a massive flag. He either acts really cute or really sexual on stage and I had a hard time thinking much of anything tbh. He looks fucking unreal. Worth it yo. Baekhyun... he likes the attention he gets from both men and women. He looks like he likes to pretty himself up and flaunt what he's got. Yet he's also got this... softness to him? Some kind of delicacy that makes you want to protect him. Yeah, he doesn't care if it's a guy or girl lol. Chanyeol/Kai/Kyungsoo stuck together quite a lot. Same with Suho/Chen/Baekhyun. Sehun and Xiumin... they did their own thing lol. Oh yeah, if any of you are EXO-L, you might be happy to know that the crowd went fucking batshit every time Lay's face appeared on the screen. I swear he got more cheers than anyone else lol.

About Sehun or EXO?

What do you want to know?

Still definitely not a problem lol.

Yes, something like that. Aeri is... a Baekhyun fan, right? In that case, I don't think you need to worry lol.

Oh Sehun comes off as even gayer in person, a feat which previously I did not believe would be possible.

Yeah, I see now why so many religious texts say not to gaze upon the face of god lol. I'm pretty sure only the crowd was holding me up a some point (the combined strength of a thousand horny fangirls ain't no joke.) But It makes photos of him look off now after seeing him in person... anyway, I hope you do get a chance someday.

It's even funnier because I kinda bought a ticket on a whim in the first place. I thought it'd be interesting to see a kpop concert live, and since I'm somewhat familiar with EXO, I wouldn't be going in completely blind. I guess I understand the term "bias-wrecker" a little bit now. Bodybuilding for abs isn't a problem, but, for him to be that skinny, he must really be dieting hard. It was a bit worrisome. The nickname "Nini" comes from Jonginnie...? Thanks though. Took me a while to figure out who those girls were talking about. Too many nicknames for everyone.

Bruh, I was inwardly calculating the velocity and trajectory I'd need to parkour over the crowd of teenage girls and land on the stage to give him head. That hot. But seriously, I had a good time, enough to occasionally forget the awkwardness of being crushed against a horde of teenage girls. That was the day I learned how scary fangirls can be. It's still bizarre to me. I always acknowledged Kai was good looking, but after seeing him in person, "good-looking" isn't enough to describe it. He looks like he'd vanish to some other plane of existence if you reached out and touched him. I'm a Xiumin and Chen fan, so thinking that about Kai was a huge shock to me. Not to say the rest of EXO isn't good-looking or anything like that, but Xiumin and Kai were on another level. At least with Xiumin, I'm already a fan and know I'm biased, but I was seriously not expecting to think that about Kai as well. It's almost strange to look at their photos and videos now because my brain is so conflicted between what I've been seeing on the screen all this time and what I saw in person. Lol and yeah, once the music stopped, it was like a switch flipped and his entire demeanour changed. He seemed a lot shier and more reserved, but he would play around and laugh at others' jokes a lot. I'm actually surprised to hear he likes to eat because he's really skinny. Part of it is probably from his physique as a dancer, but it was still a little alarming just how thin he is. Boy looks like he needs some meat on them bones. One more question- why do some fans refer to him as "Nini?" It was very confusing.

He and Kai... they seriously look unreal... it really shocked me. Photos don't do them justice at all. You'll understand when you're a dinosaur like us. By the way, does anyone know where Minseok got that double ring necklace from? I saw him wearing it again at the concert, so I thought he must really like it to wear it for so long.

Bruh, that might actually happen... I always thought he was a good dancer, but it's way more than that if you see him in person. Yo. I have to admit that I don't know why he's referred to as "bear," though... How do I say this... you know how there are people you can't picture doing anything else but what they're doing? Kai is one of those people. He just owns the stage. It's not only that Kai's a good dancer, it's that he completely dominates your attention while he's on stage. And he looks like a fucking renaissance statue come to life, holy shit. Photos do NOT do him justice at all. I can't believe I'm saying something this cheesy, but it really did look like he wasn't from this world. Ethereal. It was funny because he was so withdrawn once the performance stopped for their talks, despite acting like such a beast on stage. You could see his love for performing clear as day. It was something I always acknowledged, but actually seeing it was really mind-blowing.

I just stood there like a slack jawed dumbass when I saw him. How can someone like that actually exist... I was not prepared.

Y'all, I was never really a Kai fan, but after seeing him in person... fuck, he looks like a fucking god, what the hell. I might become a fan, too...

I was not prepared for how fucking pretty Xiumin looks in real life. Photos do not do him justice at all holy shit. He looks like a god in person fffff.

Yes, but I'm always down for seeing it again. Lol the reaction of the guy at the end of the line who is desperately trying to pretend all that isn't happening next to him.

And thus marks the third time Heechul has been filmed in bed with his boyfriend, yet fans will still claim he is straight.

Ah, okay. Sometimes, bisexuality is indeed overlooked in the thread.

Hold up, who was saying bisexuality doesn't exist?

I've followed Heechul for years and literally none of what you've said is new to me. I'm going to make this brief because you seem to have already made up your mind completely and there would be little point to continuing the discussion in circles. The quote- again, unimportant. I disagree with your conclusion of it. Do you really believe sticking in the word "girlfriend" everywhere makes him straight? In the Of Course game, he also insulted the poor girl by asking "are you happy to be in the same [weight] class as Ho Dong?" but anyway, I think you have a serious misconception about flirting. You can flirt with someone without being attracted to them at all. I do it constantly. People do it back. Completely harmless, completely meaningless. Heechul flirts and teases because he has a playful personality, especially on variety. You can't seriously believe he's interested in every person he flirts with. By that logic, all of kpop is bisexual with the amount of playful teasing and flirting going on. Again, Heechul is blunt and straightforward, but the fact is, he is a Korean idol. By the nature of his job and society he lives in, he cannot speak or act completely freely. What's the easiest way for any idol to divert gay rumors? Talking about girls or past girlfriends. Some even do contractual dating. Idol life is built on lies. And again, it is possible he dated a woman in the past, but so do many gay men before realizing they are gay. If you want to think he's bi, that ain't my business, but I'm not sure why you're so adamant about convincing everyone of it. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

Congrats on accepting your inner gay. What you wrote about bisexuality is interesting and I think there is some merit to the connection. Hell, for a long time, I never had a problem with gay couples yet it was very weird to picture myself in a loving relationship with a guy. I went back and forth on whether or not I also like men for years and those were a very confusing couple of years. These days, I realize if I like someone, sex/gender doesn't matter, but it wasn't always like that. I'm grateful to live in an age of the internet because I'm not sure I would have figured it out on my own. That said, you do have to beware of some of the more controversial stuff about sexuality online because it could end up pushing you farther from the truth, as it happened in your case. Sometimes, they're helpful, but other times, they're not. We're a long way from having a tried and true science about human sexuality. I've always been interested in learning more about asexuality, where this split-attraction model originated from, but it's hard to find people who are ace... Oh, they know. I'm sure it's an open secret in the industry.

Throwback Tuesday!

I agree, we should discuss bisexuality and such here too. It's hilarious with Heechul though because it's like we've already agreed he likes men so now we're debating whether or not he actually likes women. It's a complete reversal from what we normally do. I've noticed that idol groups include both guys and girls when talking about their fans and I like that. It's already kind of weird to be a male fan of a male idol group because it's 99% women. I know, right? She'll either end up being best friends with him or going "Oh my god I can't deal with this man."

Heechul has overdone the "I don't have a girlfriend thing" for years. He talks about getting a girlfriend and getting married to the point that it's suspicious, yet has never shown interest in women despite being surrounded by them. Why do you think he has no scandals with women and other companies' staff even encourage their own female artists to hang around him? Even if he's careful, you can't stop feelings from developing and that's already a risk. Why would any company take that? They know there's no risk of him getting into a scandal with women probably because he's not interested in them. Or that time Solbin asks him directly and he doesn't deny it. No guy is going to let himself be called by a female term unless he's really comfortable with it and the girls wouldn't even consider it unless they were very comfortable with him. Again, he's literally called himself Aunt Heechul- he enjoys being thought of as a mentor to female idols (and not straight ones, but that's another story) and treats them like siblings (he's referred to them as "my dongsaengs" before). And part of why Heechul has experienced gay rumors is because he hasn't had substantial rumors with women and has said/done questionable things with men many times. I already knew the full quoted context, but it was unimportant so I only posted the relevant bit. Again, Heechul brings up the girlfriend/marriage thing constantly. He still lives in a very conservative society where his career (and Super Junior's) would be affected if he actually did come out. And as you pointed out in your post, he cares a lot about his career. As long as he says wants a girlfriend or wants to get married and there's no damning evidence of him being gay, speculation is only that. People seem to think that because Heechul is blunt, straightforward, and critical that he is always telling the truth when he speaks. He can and does lie. Oh, and about the bed thing, uh, YES? That his management and the show's producers even allowed this is quite... hell, Heechul has commented before that Bora "has the type of body men like." Again, Heechul can get away with it... there's no risk involved. As for the articles, the first is mistranslated somewhat. He was discussing SuJu members all calling dibs on a girl they like so they don't overlap. There's not much to it. Now, he's the thing- I've never said that Heechul has never dated a woman. Surprisingly, a lot of gay guys date women before figuring out they don't like women. I don't think that it's impossible he did the same. Would explain why he talked about dating women with such blatant disinterest in the past and why they all dumped him for it, but I don't think he's done so since. If he believed he was interested in women at the time, it'd make sense he'd ask about dealing with a scandal. And as for X-men, well, not only is he already twisting it into himself being pretty at the end (he was very adamant about being prettier than women then), but he's playing the "Of Course" game there. We all know Heechul never lost that game. tl;dr -companies are fine letting their female idols get close to him -acts like a big sister/mentor to women (and gay boys) -doesn't really deny being gay the past few years -Heechul can and does lie a lot After following Heechul for so many years, I definitely think he only likes men and possibly has some gender-fluidity going on. We'll have to agree to disagree here.

That hurt my soul. Yes, that was BoA's old username, and yes, she actually said that. It was shortly before or after Heechul was discharged from the army. For a fleeting moment, I actually thought Heechul was going to come out post-army service. Anyway, here's some of the other stuff on how women actually see Heechul: Speaking of Dahae: Heechul, Hani, and Bora slept in the same bed before. I... yeah. Only Heechul can get away with that. So many things like this. Unrelated but cute and I'm gonna share