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Yeah, exactly. I wanted to add that but forgot, lol. Mainstream fans would prefer oppar to have tons of hetero-oriented rumors than something prominently gay. It's kinda funny because when you mention that an idol has gay rumors or has had gay relationships, and if it's kind of well-known, they would try to downplay/excuse it in all ways like, call it " just experimenting" or act like it's "nothing special" "a lot of idols are like that" a.k.a in other words, defending heterosexuality. Sasaengs are in general very secretive, fishy and protective though, so yeah you're right. I'm talking more about regular k-fans, but the first ones do that as well. Though I remember than back in the days, chinese ssgs were going off about Sehun and Tao, for ...whatever reason. After watching the show, I might add that what Baekhyun said was most likely some sort of a try to step up for Sehun (bc MCs went too much with their jokes), but the statement he made ended up being a double ended sword, lols.

str8s: You can't assume shit until they say it themselves an idol: I like men. I have no interest In women. When I look at men, my heart flutters. I also suck d- str8s: But....... Wait. Something's wrong out here. If you gay you're not supposed to say this out loud. To be honest, as a queer person myself, I don't get why it seems so unrealistic to let things slip/joke around about that? Especially in that type of entertainment industry and environment where you basically can say such shit countless of times and people still wouldn't take it seriously?

A perfect example of damage control.At this point, It's actually ...amusing? To call it a "homophobic moment" from his side. I'd rather kick Chen's and Chanyeol's asses for asking that . They probably thought it's very funny but well, that famous year of 2015 ... flashbacks to xiuchen radio exposure (And yeah it was discussed couple years ago haha) Every industry is messy. I thought everyone knew that. But all of that sounds especially extra, like chill idols are people too.? I think it's important to realize that not everything we hear it's true, but it also seems kind of weird to think that everything and everyone is pure trash that's "plotting behind the fans' backs". Idk it's also super weird. Like... Man it's people who're also living their life. Of course there's different kind of peeps everywhere and ofc some are jerks, especially when it comes to so called hip-hop oppas. But what's new. Lmao. He literally was asked "so, you're saying you like male fans?~" and he answered "I like ...men". Dead ass. No one was forcing him to word it like that. If he meant to say that yeah he likes male fans he would've said "yes I like male fans". 2+2=4. Water is wet.

This. Click here to view the Tweet Tbh What's funny for me, is how people come up with "justifying" these statements all the time. I find it both hilarious and sad. They're so sure it's only ~jokes; And by this I mean both "i love men" moment, that one too. Hearing this triggers them, so there's that usual defensiveness - but also some are so sure it can't be real and it's 100% only jokes with nothing behind it and that "Sehun is 100000% straight!" like... . Honestly, I'd say all that is rather depressing. Fangirls are fast to take certain things serious but what's being said about those aside of classical he didn't mean it!!11-s...... "I'm into Gay Stuffâ„¢ but He speaks too much about loyalty, he's probably in relationship wit a girl and that's why he's not interested!" "It's just a show and Y'all are taking everything seriously pathetic, please stop this" Like Oookay, if it helps you sleep at night.... or shit like "If he was into men, Baekhyun would never say something like that, it's dangerous and would destroy his career " - which is so interesting to me because even tho it might be at least somewhat logical, it seems like people forget that not everything is about conspiracy theories and hiding stuff all the time. Do you realize that .... It's obvious that no one in SK would take it seriously?. That it happened before countless times... Look at Heechul, Jo Kwon, Jonghyun (etc idols who are ... far from straight and have a ...history) all of them hinted, joked around and more but nothing happened. Nothing. So what's so different about that case? Why it's so hard to believe, considering all stuff that happened previously and well, just Sehun's whole ass existence in general... Like.. Lmaoooooo. What's even more funny, is that aside of our own impressions and stuff he said himself, lots rumors and talks about Sehun contained the description of him as of someone who has like a near complete disinterest in women and here we are, hearin' about it live. I just hope that everyone will let him live

Update: Well that's what the lyrics say during that Xiuhun flaming heterosexual interaction in the mv. Interesting lols.

I think it's the most homoerotic moment we saw in EXO's MVs so far. + I think it has a certain implication but idk. Also why I'm not surprised that Sehun is involved.

I see fangrills still want everyone (aside of idols they don't like) to be straight. Lol. Sad.

All these gay get-togethers..... I always found them suspicious. That Kwon Jun guy, known as Tao & Sehun's friend (the one on the group pic, the half bald one) was also suspected to be LGBT. Interesting. Regarding Suho and Donghwan - they still keep contact and hang out together: p.s. Also, the fact that he changed the caption on that one post....... The first time I'm seeing it. Very curious. I think it's not because of break-up (bc no matter if they still have something or not, they still seem to be in good terms with each other) but rather to lessen the attention to all that thing.

Lmao. Taehyung seems mildly fascinated but I'm cackling at Baekhyun's reaction. But it's Hwasa........ I understand pretty much. On topic: I'm not sure if people gonna take it as an evidence - but I always thought he's not gay but bisexual, and considering the vibes I've been getting from him, that kinda reaction is actually nothing really surprising for me.

Yeah, exactly. But there lies that hypocrisy: male idol seen with a woman? Seen in the company and one of the peeps is a woman? The two are automatically dating, no other options. Two males acting weird etc? Shut it, it's just a friendship, nothing else is impossible. But also, it's definitely safer this way, isn't it? The plan works out. That's why I said that rumor mill focuses mainly on the straight stuff. Since it's way more easier to pick up on it. Gay rumors are always sort of "in the shadow" because of such things. It's also something that considered "dangerous" and damaging. Especially when it comes to Korean society. Not everyone is open minded enough, not everyone is far from heteronormative. And so on. That's also how contradictory kind of rumors often start to circle around...When it comes to Sehun and maybe some others as well, it's something that I frequently come across.

Yep I think the same. I feel like he didn't expect him saying it like that at all lol. It was risky. I really don't get people who think it was something ~planned or has been said "just to soften male fanbase". Like, what? Such things often cause controversies which is kind of really unnecessary... Well and nothing stopped him from agreeing about the "fans" part and leading the talk towards that direction - but nah. Lmao. Anyways, the best way to tell the truth without receiving the "damage" - to tell it as a joke. And he knew people would take it this way. And well, Baekhyun ...

Yeah this one. There was a slightly different translation (more detailed I guess?) but that works as well. Probably I'm overthinking but this convo was sort of weird, lol, especially after hearing these rumоrs. Well they're friends. Jackson and Sehun I mean. There's not that many public interactions maybe, but it's well known they're in good terms. And the vid....... You have a point. Iconic. Honestly...... I think Xiumin himself didnt' expect Sehun to say that. On the contrary, I feel like he tried to "save" the situation but Sehun went even more extra with his words. He even went to playfully hit him or something, lmao. I feel like that part of Sehun's speech was completely unplanned. An Improvisation.

I'm late but: Talking about that Hawaii rumor though...... It really sounded kind of... I don't know what to think about it tbh. I mean it sounds too much like fanfiction, but at the same time I wouldn't be surprised if it actually turned out to be real. Talking about the candidates - If I imagine this happening, It feels like it would be either Sehun or Suho. Leaning to the first one though. Since something makes me think that Suho wouldn't be that risky with such stuff. I'm sure if any members in the group are LGBT, and if the members are close enough with each other Or live together, kind of "know" each other, the others probably would know. Even without direct confession, I guess? Why Xiumin though? I'd say he's the last to know, since him and Sehun aren't really close. He also reacts weird on Sehun sometimes. Like it's awkward between them but it's just my thoughts lol. I'd say he would be the one to know thru someone else. I feel like Chen is that-one-straight-member-who-Knows-too-much since he almost outed Sehun on the radio Lmao. As a joke ......which went kinda far. He was with together with Xiumin tho. I'm sure everyone in EXO knows about non straight members of their group btw. I mean they live together etc.

I saw some evidence actually but it's nothing really surprising for me. I also do think it's very possible he met up with Xiumin and I also wouldn't be surprised at all if they still keep contact in some type of way, since it was obvious he had the closest relationships with him in the group. Even if he met up with the members, including Sehun, I don't think it actually proves anything shippers think about, lol. I feel the same way about this ship. Shippers' behavior rn is actually starting to get really disgusting (well, I guess same as before, nothing new) As you said people are free ship whatever but not when it actually starts getting on this level of delusional, And one of the worst - bringing all that to celebs themselves. aka these "attacks" on their sns, spamming their PMs, etc. Just.. keep it, at least. I also don't think Luhan is gay, I think he's straight actually. Nothing really That weird about him if you know him well tbh, but who knows. Though I noticed users on here have kind of different opinions on him, haha.

Kings only. Roasting these heteroaches like a pro. I'm so proud. It isn't strange at all, in my opinion. Actually, from my understanding he's the member who left in the most peaceful way, seems to have the nicest relationship with EXO overall, and probably keeps some sort of contact with them. The next is Kris, and the last is Tao, who left the group with the baddest terms I think. Luhan probably met up with the members for several times, there's even some pics and also rumors about him being seen with them. The EXO members I think he met up with: Xiumin, Sehun, Suho, Chanyeol. Maybe someone else as well. And again, that mess they created in their (and especialy Sehun's) instas....... Sigh Shipping culture is really something else. Speaking of the stuff in the video.... If y'all wanna hear something rational about some of that. Not claiming anything, just my thoughts: That mirror pic is certainly legs of none other than Sehun. They're skinny & lanky, while Luhan's are much more muscled and so on. The outfit Luhan has is also different, idk what they found there beside similar coloring. Well the content of such vids is kinda "as always" I'd say. But I do find that famous b&w pic suspicious, it sort of looks like him and Sehun might've post that, If it wasn't too rebel of him to do. It also looks like Chanyeol a lot, so I'm really uncertain. Even if it's Luhan, I'm still not sure what kinda of extra conclusions we're supposed to get from this. Lmao. But whatever keeps people be entertained I think. I have to say I wouldn't be surprised if Sehun teases fans and/or shippers on purpose though But let's see what that "Prepare" of his means. He's EXO's personal spoiler fairy after all. I hope it's something related to his solo activity

I can't compare it with other "levels" of other supposedly real couples, but yea they were being watched, both by k and c-netz. Especially in 2014 I think. I know for sure some parts of knetz talked about them during that time the most also for a reason. Chinese netizens too, though. I know. I'm not a very huge fan of Tao but lmfao he's very honest and open, and he was like that all the time. Also the way he acted.... Well knets didn't like it. But Tao was always the one who received hate, often unreasonably. K-netz shitted on him a lot I remember. Many of them didn't like him hanging out with Sehun and just being close with him. Shippers of some other couples didn't like them too, applies both to k-c netz and international fans. Lmao as you can see. Do they know as much as k-netz? It's hard to say. Maybe some of them do. It really depends, especially on what you're asking about. Not everything ties to k-netz though. For example they know about their (Chinese) celebs way more than k-netz - obvious also, isn't it? And for sure they know more than international fans, idt it needs an explanation as well. Yeah they speculate a lot, as we do. Discuss things etc. It's not a taboo for them to talk about different kinda stuff, that is considered as such

I'm laughing. So here come the forever mad people from Hunhаn(?) etc threads, reminding everyone that they're "ignorant fools" because people on here actually don't believe in their ships due to their "prejudice" or "hate". Wow. I've been staying silent for many months but since some of y'all have the nerve to come at me and having a boner at whatever I say... I have no tolerance for personal attacks and no patience to ignore it. I know it's pointless to have a discussion with users like this one, and I know I'm not going to get any answer but for the common sense I'll do it, and I'll try to be as polite as possible though. I know it's maybe hard to accept for some reason that there's not many people who believe in Kaisoo, hunhan etc, but there's no any so called "established agenda" and forced "hypocrisy" coming to certain pairings. Stop fooling yourself and trying to find tragic excuses for people not believing in what you want to believe. If you want people to "see the light" - okay, bring your proofs, so called evidence, be polite, stop acting like a 14 years old first of all. All people do on here is just LGBT related things and no single user in this thread is obligated to believe in something. Yes right, it's not a shipping thread (even though some people make it seem like such) but most of the times ships are being discussed individually in priority of noticing suspicious stuff in certain interactions. If you like the idea of two members dating - okay, but what we discuss here is the stuff that actually seems suspicious to users on here. Kaisoo, unlike some other ships is being brought up very often lately and I wouldn't be wrong If i say that it's mostly their shippers who bring them up which is okay, it seems susp for them for some reasons and why not. There's people who do agree, there's people who don't - and it's okay because we all having a discussion. I personally do think that Kaisoo have some suspicious moments, but none of them actually prove something. I'm open to the idea, I saw a lot of their moments, same applies to other 2012 ships and I didn't notice anything beyond suspicious that made me think they're "dating" or anything close to real. Haven't heard anything as well. A lot of people on different places of internet have the same opinion. Probably because they have this magical skill of distinguishing reality from their fantasies. I haven't seen many people hyping up EXO 2012 ships, aside if the shippers themselves. Just want to say, Shipping community and LGBT community are two complete different things. Same applies to some other ships, fandoms etc. Not only for me but I'm sure for plenty of people on here. It's not that deep, try to clear up the view blurred by your attitude at first. Now I'm going to be rude for once since I have no energy to deal with that fuckery. Sorry hunty, but I wouldn't fall that low to create any lies for getting any kinda validation. (And why on the hell do I need it? Why would I do that? Just to remind, it's not me who came on here splashing poison because certain ships ain't getting one.) You're being ugly for saying this and it's very rude, you literally have no right to say such things, since you don't know me, my sources, my "intentions" and me as a person. You're simply accusing me as a liar because I'm saying things you don't like, and I recommend you to think twice before saying stuff like that. I see you having an attitude to the pair I mentioned and the possibility of it being real triggers you it seems. But that's what are the people who doesn't belong to any shipping fandom are saying. You probably think that I'm very much into that pair, but this is also very far from truth. As I said, I have no serious attachment to any ship. I have no reasons to lie Y'all can read it yourself if you know where, Chinese forums are in the open access (Of course you wouldn't because it's easier to believe that I'm a liar ), K-netz are different case but what I heard and saw comes from personal experience and connections. I'm just saying what I heard. That's all. Anyways, on similar topic. Neg me all you want, but I noticed shippers who come on here lately act in very.... eyerolling way. So now y'all are ready to label a person as "homophobic" and "not open minded" because they don't think your ship is real, Totally missing the whole point of their message? Interesting.

I agree with this. I think many shippers are losing their rational sense when it comes to that. Like, some people deadass think that Chanbaek, Hunhan and Kaisoo etc are real & dating and everything else is the conspiracy theory which is created to hide it, aka "sad dating life of EXO's". I mean, it's okay to just speculate and be like "well this is suspicious" but seems like every little thing they do aka just looking at e/o, every little thing that fans & fake "sasaengs" say - or for example when a ship is being used for public stunt (which happens way too often with ships like hunhаn due it's popularity), is considered as proof of da holy realness. Same for all these funny rumors about Kaisoo kissing backstage, hunhаn love stories that come from instagram, and other various stuff which is basically was created by shippers. There was a person pages ago asking about "chanbaek video" (which is actually a piece of gay porn from tumblr) and I honestly screeched, because Wow there's actually people who believed that bs. I mean..... come on. The funny thing that no credible source ever said that any of their ships are real and no one takes it seriously besides the shippers themselves. And well I'd even say It's not even about the ships right now, but more about the sense of objectivity? I'm not saying that things like playing around or having some chemistry are impossible between the members of these ships mentioned, but yknow... I also think that Fans also forget that when it comes to revealing pairs, it's not only "black and white". The couple can be real but also get exposed for some particular reason. Yeah I'm sure there's some fake couples too, which were used for mediaplay - but I'd say at the same extent as the supposedly real ones. Also same black & white thing comes to sexuality. Like it may be a surprise for some of y'all but Bisexual people exist. Baekhyun, Suho... If Suho for ex was revealed to be dating a woman I wouldn't be surprised at all. I wouldn't change my mind on him bc obviously, it wouldn't make him less bi. etc. Same about other celebs who are supposedly into both sexes.

Not really. C-netz and k-netz always kind of kept an eye on them and suspected them (and I'm not talking about shippers but regular netizens) but it wasn't discussed as heavily on public as in international circles for obvious reasons.... But after Tao left people started spilling tea even more. Though I have to say that k-netz are really secretive when it comes to thing like this, they almost shut it down and just discuss it in private (I guess I wouldn't be wrong If I say that Tаohun's close relationship, whatever it was, also was one of the reasons why k-netz didn't like Tao that much) but chinese fandom is way more open Lol it's not a big deal for them to discuss such stuff, talk about LGBT idols basically & discuss as we do, and considering that overall their level of knowledge is sort of higher than knowledge of average users from international fandom...

It's not that I'm talking about Kris..... More like about the statement that Chen is the only hetero in EXO.

It's from EXO second box. If I remember correctly, during this part Sehun asks Suho to act like a Inkigayo MC, "just for once".... not without messing around wit him tho

This. A painful truth which wouldn't be liked by some of y'all, I guess.