puretoria

I'm really trying to stop for the sake of the thread but you are making it might difficult with such ignorant statements.

 

Where in the hell did you see any misogyny in this thread? Simply because YOU think we're defensive because WE'RE MISOGYNISTS in regards to Kris and Vic? What??? We're misogynists just because the person (and their baggage of drama) who was being dragged into a unnecessary comparison with Vic, JUST HAPPENED TO BE A BOY? 

 

Please tell me where is the logic here?

 

I'll tell you where. IT'S NON-EXISTENT. You're literally making shit up where there is no shit to begin with.

 

Is misogyny not on the same issue as racial discrimination? It is, but contrary to how you're trying to portray, THIS ISN'T THE CASE HERE. We LITERALLY just told you we couldn't care less the gender of who was being dragged to uplift Vic's image BUT YOU'VE KEPT IGNORING AND DENYING IT, acting like you're some psychic DICTATING that we're clueless of what WE ACTUALLY FEEL AND BELIEVE. You've been literally acting as though what we believe and feel in regards to that comment is wrong, that it's not actually what we truly believe in, and that YOUR PERCEPTIONS of how WE feel is the sole correct answer.

 

It's so freaking amazing.

 

And please, I'm not mad at you defending your beliefs. I'm more butthurt that you've replied so many times and yet somehow you still manage to not understand a single damn thing everyone has been saying. I'm even more offended that I had to waste my time explaining things to you like a mother would to her child, only to have said child get all attitudy and try and school HER on things. 

 

Now, please stop responding to me with such bs when you clearly haven't gotten a word of anything I've and the rest of the users here have said. 

 

 

 

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lmao are u actually trying to command me to stop replying when u won't? i'm getting notifications from u that keep bringing me back to this conversation. there are CLEAR differences between the way this thread reacted to kris being called out and the way it reacts to female idols being attacked. u can scream abt that not being the case all u want. the pages and pages of outrage speak for themselves. ur increasingly screechy posts speak for themselves. ur attempt to infantilize me for daring to disagree with u and for pointing out ur hypocrisy speaks for itself. obviously i hit a nerve and a pretty sensitive one at that. 

Take a step back and think about this whole situation critically.

 

WHY are they comparing her to Hangeng and Kris? WHY those two of all people? WHY Vic of all people?

 

Because SHE'S A CHINESE IDOL WORKING IN KOREA. 

 

And so you have it. HER ETHNICITY is the reason why they're connecting her to all that drama, which is a part of the bigger issue at hand: KOREAN NETIZENS SCRUTINY AND DISCRIMINATION AGAINST CHINESE PEOPLE, which is being amplified in this case because of Kris and Hangeng.

 

Again, you're comparing superficial rankings to such a serious issue as ethnic discrimination. No words. 

 

I'm done. Go on and keep telling yourself that your beliefs are the only correct beliefs and that everyone else who dares disagree with you are hypocrites and that we're just defensive because LYKE OMG IT'S OPPA HOW DARE NETIZENS TALK DOWN ON MY OPPAAAA       

u keep saying ur done and yet... but i'll take ur bait again. is misogyny not a serious issue? is the way negative ways netizens (korean and international) respond to female idols (especially their looks) not motivated by misogyny? is that not an issue on the level of ethnic discrimination? and lol at ur still being mad that i'm defending my beliefs. 

Can you guys continue your discussion somewhere else (message each other)? I bet a lot of people on here are getting tired of this argument. It's getting nowhere.

lol ppl r welcome to message me but if y'all respond to me in this thread then i'm going to respond back c: i'm also found at @puretoria for ur convenience c:

There are only 3 groups in Kpop that I heavily stan and they're girl groups, so I obviously love oppar and he's perfect in every way and nobody can touch him and girls shouldn't be near him or they're sluts and should be ashamed. You caught me. Do you want me to bend over and take it easy or what? I'm waiting

lmao ur so salty that i'm calling out the hypocrisy on the thread. w/e y'all can be mad but ur not even fighting me on the points anymore. u do let shady behavior towards girls slide and u do FOR SOME REASON perk up and decide to use ur energy to argue in defense of a guy whether u acknowledge that or not. 

I responded because you kept accusing me of being offended only because it involved Kris. You kept acting like I was a blind fangirl defending her presh oppa when I told you so many damn times I didn't care who it involved. 

 

I NEVER SAID PRAISES IN A COMPARISON WERE INSINCERE. My god you really have issues with your comprehension. 

 

Did you seriously just try to equate a superficial beauty ranking where the worst comment was "her face doesn't look pretty when she smiles" to a national racial issue where Koreans are putting an entire ethnic group on blast because of the actions of one person???   What kind of fail logic?????

 

 

For the last time, we already told you WE DON'T CARE THAT IT INVOLVED A MALE IDOL. Put Jia in Kris's place and I guarantee you the people here who have spoken out will still feel the same way.

 

But hey, if it makes you sleep better thinking we're all a bunch of hypocrites thirsty for that juicy D and that's the sole reason why we had a problem with that comment about Vic, go for it. 

u said, but i don't believe it. and i've laid out why i don't believe it clearly several times now. and no where in that comment abt vic did they say vic was better than chinese people. they said vic was better than two guys. and u had a problem with that. i don't think u've even read the comment this whole argument has been over. here it is:

"3. [+280, -8] Victoria's definitely on a different level from Hangeng and Kris. She always takes responsibility for her members no matter how much time passes and never ignores their fans.."

tell me how that's pettier than calling naeun ugly when she smiles. but my bad, you didn't say it. popsugar said it in defense of ur point and u didn't correct her so i assumed u agreed. 

I'm just beginning to think you're a troll now. How in the world can you think that? That is not what they were saying at all. I can't anymore

yup, i'm a troll bc i'm saying things u don't like. we've gone idek how many pages arguing bc a group of ppl on this thread couldn't handle a comment that put down a guy. if y'all really hate comparisons so much then why weren't there similar explosions over the many other times girls were put down in favor of f(x)? y'all missed those posts? all of them?

 

Do you really not see yourself generalizing things that happen OUTSIDE this forum? That Naeun thing wasn't in here. Why even say that? You're literally making no sense. Yes, people tend to jump to boygroups defenses more, but where in THIS thread has that happened? Ever? This is a girl group for heavens sake. Don't you think we know how unfair they get criticized? I mean good lord

 

 

???? i'm obviously talking abt the responses to those comments from ppl in this thread. "Yes, people tend to jump to boygroups defenses more, but where in THIS thread has that happened? Ever?" it just happened in this thread! ppl jumped to say it was unfair for netizens to criticize kris while praising vic. i have NEVER seen anyone do that for a female idol in. this. thread. 

 

1. Just because you don't see anyone ranting about it doesn't mean they aren't irked with the comparisons.

2. Has it occurred to you that not everyone saw that post?

3.    That article was about was about all those girls mentioned in a BEAUTY RANKING. Duh netizens going to talk about them and make comparisons about their favs. It's completely different from LIKE I SAID BEFORE, an UNRELATED person with UNRELATED ISSUES being dragged into an UNNECESSARY comparison in an UNRELATED article. 

 

I think you should stop now. You're basically trying really hard to defend your own beliefs and making false accusations about us just so it would appear that you aren't alone in your case. 

 

 

You're literally the only person here who is so hung up on the idea that we disagree with that Vic comment simply because it involved a boy idol, even when several users already told you otherwise. 

u wanted to end the conversation like 2 pages ago and when i agreed, u kept responding. STOP if u don't want this to continue. u said pages ago that praises that included negative comparisons are insincere, and yet they're ok when they're putting down people based on beauty? but also ur irked by them but u never speak up. but also u don't see them. vic being favorably contrasted against hangeng and kris on the basis of leadership is terrible but naeun being called ugly when she smiles isn't. ok. honestly the way the kpop fandom jumps to boygroups defense while leaving girls out in the rain is so fucking ridiculous. yah i'm probably the only person in the thread to have a problem with it, but tbh i'm in better company.

So because we don't comment on them, then it means we support it? That's idiotic logic. This is the f(x) thread. We're not going to comment on anybody else. Just because we don't say anything doesn't mean that we support it

 

Do it :D

um... there's barely a page that goes by without comments abt non-f(x) members. in fact just yesterday ppl on this thread were laughing at the body parts that other idols were being praised for. and if y'all have a problem with impure compliments in general, then why is it only coming up now when a boy idol is involved? it screams hypocrisy. 

You really need to cut it with that whole "you're only upset because Kris is getting insulted" bullshit. I already made it clear to you several times that I give no fucks if it was Kris. It could have been anyone and I'd still react the same way. 

oh so this is continuing? ok then explain why ive never seen ppl mad on the thread when other female idols r insulted and f(x) members praised? receipts:

http://onehallyu.com/index.php?/topic/42-official-fx-â™”-ì—프엑스-â™”-thread-â¤-s-u-m-m-e-r-c-o-m-e-b-a-c-k-â¤/page-3001#entry3608003

??

 

Okay I'm started to lose track of what the point of your argument is. Yes, I know Vic is being dragged into it whether I like it or not. Yes, I know I can't do anything about it. But that doesn't mean I can't voice my displeasure over it. I thought I made that pretty clear before...

 

Yes, praises are generally good. Yes, it's good they're not shitting on her for being a Chinese kpop idol the way they're dragging Hangeng and tried to do with the rest of the Chinaline members. But in this case, I disagree with the context of how she's being praised.

 

We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this. 

what i've been saying since my first comment on this is that vic could've been dragged into this in a way that negatively impacts her, but luckily she hasn't and in fact she's getting praised. ur problem is that the praise is somehow tainted bc kris is getting impacted negatively. but anyway, it's done

but...

Trust me, I understood. Just don't know why you decided to phrase it that way

 

Topped so.... f(5) hug

bc only sexual motivation could explain it's creepy persistence 

That's what we've been trying to say this entire time tho 

 

 

- So? She's a good source of info about Vic. If she or yourself didn't want your personal convos on twitter being spread around on the internet then maybe you should tell her not to retweet your tweets or lock your account. 

 

- Um, no. It was about Kris being shaded in order to praise Vic. Major difference. 

 

- Exactly, there was nothing to compare before. They're only comparing them now and using him to praise Vic because they hate his ass. I like my praises for Vic to be without any petty bitchiness about another person, ty very much.

 

- Yes, I know those are the reasons, I just literally just stated that in my previous post   And yes, I do think they are stupid, and that's exactly the reason why I have a problem with them dragging Vic into this mess about Kris vs SM. 

it doesnt matter if u have a problem with it, vic is being dragged in anyway. but the fact that vic still being praised is a good thing bc she could be getting shitted on herself.

the op of that post has a creepy obsession with f(x). is that easier to understand?

So just as this was happening.................

 

http://onehallyu.com/index.php?/topic/74943-140607-ex-exo-wu-yifan-aka-kris-is-a-main-actor-for-new-romance-film-somewhere-only-we-know/

 

More of bringing Vic into it. Perfect timing 

nothing new tbh. blank can only orgasm if they mention f(x) in a post.

I just have one thing to say; can you please stop voting pop down for displaying her opinions? There's no reason to neg her 

 

If that was a personal convo, then it ain't no more after Yen (crouchy) retweeted it. 

 

 

Where did I complain about Kris getting insulted? Have you completely missed what I've been saying in my past posts where I said I could care less that it's Kris being dragged and more that ANYONE was being dragged to make Vic look better?

 

 

Why didn't they compare Vic to Kris when he was still with EXO and all was well? Why didn't they make comparisons about their leaderships skills then? Why are they only comparing them now when Kris has been blacklisted and is the ire of the Korean fandom? 

 

The example you gave is completely different from bringing up an unrelated person with unrelated business in unrelated article and being compared to so you can praise another in a petty comparison. 

 

 

NO, she doesn't. The only reason why people are "connecting" her to the shitfest with Kris is because of their shared ethnicity and roles in kpop, which is a TRULY STUPID reason. 

 

 

^ This so much. As if all those f(x) vs ____ threads we get on OH weren't annoying enough.

-yen isn't a fanbase twitter tho so??

-ur op was abt kris being shaded tho

-there was nothing to compare before kris dumped his group tho. the whole point is that vic's continued responsibility to her members puts her on another level

-vic is in sm, she's chinese, she's a leader. u may think they r stupid reasons, but those r the reasons.

^lmao

 

I'll let it rest with this post.

 

 

It's like you're intentionally just disregarding the point.

 

Seras just said that it doesn't matter who is involved; in general, using somebody with the intention of bringing down another person is wrong, especially if they have nothing to do with the subject in the first place.

 

I don't like seeing my bias used, and to be quite honest, I don't want to hear them being praised if the people who do so only have the intention of bringing someone else down. That already happens with one of my biases, and I don't just sit here and think, "Well, who cares about people shitting on CL, Bom, and Dara when they praise Minzy?"

no i'm pointing out that there's an underlying issue to this hand-wringing mess abt vic getting compliments. kris getting shitted on was obviously a problem for op bc otherwise why arent they mad abt almost every single f(x) article ever? aaaand once again, vic obviously has a connection to this issue, pretending otherwise is just stupid. 

My bad, I mixed it up with that one article about Kris and SM.

 

But still, the idea is the same just switched around now. It's an article about f(x) but the person commenting dragged KRIS into the picture and used him to elevate Vic.

 

You might not see any problems with it but I personally don't like that fact. Vic can and imo deserves, to be praised without needing to compare her to others or use a third party to make her look better. 

soooo the problem is that kris got dragged and vic looks good. 

u posted my tweet from a personal conversation abt perceptions of vic's leadership just to complain abt kris getting insulted, so yeah i'm going to be skeptical abt ur motivations. i mean, f(x) gets contrasted against other female idols all the time, but i didnt see anyone having a problem with that. vic gets contrasted against kris and now there's an issue? sorry but i dont buy this accepting only 100% pure compliments issue. 

That article was about Kris vs SM, not about Vic and yet the person making the comment took the initiative to bring her into the picture. Their AIM was to drag Kris and this is the sole reason why Vic was brought up in the first place. The praise might be genuinely heartfelt but it doesn't take away the fact that they were intentionally using her in this particular case as an example to shit on another person. 

 

It doesn't matter "who" is being used as the "tool", what matters is the context of which they're praising is all sorts of wrong. Like I said before, I don't like that they're using her here even if they are praising her. I'd prefer it if they praise her and only her without dragging in a third party shitfest. 

the article was abt f(x), not abt kris. check the link.

also do u have a problem with comments like "vic is the most beautiful chinese idol"? bc that's technically shitting on zly, fei, jia, those girls from skarf, and idek who else. do u have a problem with comments like "f(x) is the best" bc that's technically shitting on all other groups? i think it's sketchy to have a problem with vic being complimented in this instance bc it involves kris's situation and not have a problem with other comparative statements.

Praising someone with an ulterior motive makes that praise insincere and possibly sinister. If she is being compared favorably to someone in order to make that person look bad, then she is being taken advantage of and used like a tool. See the problem?

wait how is it sinister? vic is being praised. she's being compared favorably against others. she's coming out smelling like roses in a situation that could've potentially been bad for her. it's awkward, but i don't see anything sinister in it. what's weird to me is that u don't seem to think the praise is real. vic really is on another level re:responsibility and care to her members than hangeng and kris. 

^ you stole the words right out of my mouth  

 

 

I know that she's dragged into this regardless of how I feel. 

 

You seem to misunderstand. I'm not upset she's being praised. I don't LIKE that they're USING her, as if she's nothing but a piece of tool, just so they can talk shit about another person. 

 

Praise her for her acting works, praise her for her modelling, praise her for her dancing skills, praise her for her manners on variety shows, praise her for her beauty.

 

Anything but praise her only because you want to use her in petty arguments and comparisons.

lol I like Kris and EXO but I'm not going to get all fangirly and defensive over them because of this. I don't care that they're shading Kris, I simply don't like how they're dragging Vic into this situation between him and SM. 

 

Like I said before, even with a positive image for herself and for f(x) as a Chinese leader, they STILL lump her, as a Chinese person, in with all of their negative stereotypes of Chinese people. They might not be singling her out or name dropping her the way they do with Hangeng, but that's irrelevant. She has nothing to do with the lawsuit, they've already recognized her to be a great leader for f(x) regardless of her ethnicity and they STILL would have recognized her as a great leader even IF this lawsuit didn't even happen in the first place. There's absolutely no need for them to bring her up and compare her to Kris.

 

K-netizens are praising Vic's leadership skills and work ethics? Good, but that's not anything new or surprising for us f(x) fans. What is new, is that they're now needlessly dragging her into this drama just so they can use her to shade Kris. And as a Vic stan, I don't like that. 

vic is in this just by being a chinese sm idol whether u think she should be or not. the fact that she's being celebrated is a GREAT thing. tbh idk u but being a vic stan and being upset that she's being praised seems... strange to me. yeah she's being compared to kris, but her circumstances naturally lead to that.

maybe i'm being dense so why dont u lay out exactly why being spoken abt favorably is a problem for victoria.

Yeah, but I'm just pointing out that she DOESN'T have a bad rep. Not hypothetical situations and anything about her company. Just purely how people view her. She's the most popular f(x) member

... and that's literally what my tweet that seras quoted and my og post on this was abt... this is going in circles

True, but Vic hasn't ever had a bad rep so I wouldn't worry

rant ahead

I'm glad she's being recognized as well but they've already recognized her to be a great leader in the past, without needing to drag this Kris mess in and needlessly compare her to him. Like what PurpleSparkles88 said, Vic is completely unrelated to this business between Kris and SM and she should be left out of it entirely. The only reason why they're bringing her up now is because she's Chinese and a leader of a kpop group like Kris was.

 

About the image of China and anti-Chinese sentiments, there will ALWAYS be discrimination against the Chinese in Korea, regardless if Vic was there to give them a good image or not. It doesn't make a difference to be honest, they might praise Vic but they'll still talk shit about China and Chinese people in general. 

i never claimed vic was changing the image of china/chinese ppl in korea. obviously one person doesn't have that kind of power. i said she had to create a positive image for herself and her group in spite of anti-chinese sentiments. and vic was already being dragged into the conversation when knetizens were shitting on chinese idols in general. now they're separating vic out from kris specifically to highlight that she is a good leader. which is a good thing IMO. if u like kris, sorry. but he's not promoting in korea anymore and knetizen opinion doesn't affect him at all. vic is, and i'm glad she isn't being lumped in with him and hangeng. they're safe, she's not.

Yeah but later they were using Victoria and Zhou Mi as good examples

 

Anyways, Netizens are idiots a lot of the time. I only look at their comments to have a laugh every once in awhile

which is why i said i was worried when the news broke...  and yah netizens r morons but they're influential morons. once u get a bad rep, however flimsy the reasons, it sticks with u