satoori

7 hours ago, LostChild said:

 

If she has met them in the past then it's true that she does have some sort of responsability since she should have called out her team for projecting a picture of another group.

kelly is relatively new to talk show world, so it's probably not wise to call out the team supporting her(?) however i guess she could of did a unofficial pr-like post on sns to help alleviate the situation. something simple and to the point for fans. idk hmmm

 

29 minutes ago, loveablejoy said:

Pristin - Wee Woo

Itzy - Dalla Dalla
Blackpink - Love sick Girls

 

 

 

the following songs below, I didn't dislike necessarily, it just took me a bit to warm up to them...but now *chef kiss*

Fromis_9 - Talk & Talk 
BTS- Friends 
BTS - Butter
NCT - Firetruck
Apink - Hush
EXO - Ko Ko Bop and Monster
SNSD - I got a boy

well, i did say in those earlier threads that it didn't make sense that hybe and woollim would share. 

1 hour ago, melancholic autumn said:

Haven't they also appeared on her show before in the past so she knows what they look like? 

no, they haven't. previously, bts mainly attended popular night shows.

but they have met her at some award shows.

 

 

1 hour ago, penyair said:

This ain't hive who is pumping groups every year

treasure was formed in 2019. so there's a chance for new bg in 2022/2023

8 hours ago, Josaline said:

 

Well, they're not angry that Jungkook is doing business with his brother, from what I understand, they're angry because they feel manipulated. Funny. I mean, these guys are idols. Do they expect him to be %100 honest with them?

 

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5 minutes ago, Ghosty said:

it is unfortunate! i remember watching him on variety shows and he was pretty entertaining. but at least.... he didn't do anything illegal??? other than that alleged scamming money from fans thing???

You're right. But i liked him more when he was part of the group. I'm not really interested in him as a soloist. heu heu

6 minutes ago, miwa201 said:

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You're absolutely right that some of his own solo stans turned on him. Often when I see some Korean twitter accounts hating on him they even have him on their pfp/headers and it's obvious to me that they're those type of stans that don't like it when their idol doesn't fit the image they have of him. Tbh I partially blame Big Hit for this, they've put him in a box ever since the debuted (they did this with everyone else too but I feel like it was worse with him). Remember when he said he wasn't allowed to work out back in 2015? He spoke about getting tattoos during AHL. But idol fandom in Korea is different than the international one. Korean fans seem to be more entitled than international fans (not that international fans are angels but still).

It sucks bc I think he really craves validation from armys. Sometimes he seems really insecure to me which I honestly don't get. Like I said, I hope for his sake this doesn't blow up bc I think he was affected by the hate he got in 2019/2020. Plus with BTS now becoming diplomats or whatever there's way too much pressure on all of them.

 

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uggghhh it's unfortunate that sechskies guy is problematic...he's really cute and entertaining.  (confession: right before all the mess went down about him recently, i was sort getting into sechskies when they re-debuted. I've never stanned 1st gen group since they're before my time. But sechskies would have been an exception. 

1 hour ago, Augusto said:

 

hyped !!!

2 minutes ago, Dont mind me said:

This is what I find weird. In the confucianism teachings, this is normal. Family and businesses connections are very much entangled with each other. That is why you see many companies hiring their own family members or trying to get one them in a favourable position. So for kfans this shouldn't be a surprise.

If a small businesses owner has kids, they will assume of them will take over. If an CEO has kids they will also assume they will join the family busines. Sometimes I think kfans have a disassociated view of their own social norms.

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2 minutes ago, miwa201 said:

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Jungkook is one of the most popular members but I also feel like he's one of the most scrutinized ones. Ever since he grew out his hair and got tattoos it seems like everything he does is hyperanalyzed (and he got a lot of antis from that and his "scandals"). He's already been branded as the "problematic" member of the group. For his sake I hope this is nothing.

 

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5 hours ago, Specialsnowflakes said:

Honestly even if BTS actually get full exemption, in my opinion Korean ppl reaction (outside of haters) won't be as bad as some ppl might think. I mean, BTS already get a big privilege by getting a 2 years military postponement, yet no one bat an eye on this, everybody seems to be fine with it (their Korean TV appearance still got high rating, their songs are charting high). Meanwhile for other celebrities, even small stuff like serving in the military as a 'social service worker' (instead of 'active duty') can create an uproar/backlash

hmmm perhaps so.

I still lowkey think full exemption could cause some backlash...BUT if the Korean government is able to spin it as diplomat hours being similar to service hours, then it could work. Already it's rumored/confirmed BTS is lined up at the end of the year to do some global-diplomatic type events.

5 hours ago, Specialsnowflakes said:

I'm curious will you have this same energy and attitude (telling non-Korean to stfu) if BTS end up getting full military exemption and the entire Korea are fine with it, yet Kpop Ifans bitching abt it. Or are you going to join these Ifans and say how unfair it is etc lol. Well, no one knows what will happen in the future.

Lol yea the reactions from some ifans (hater/trolls) will be hilarious.

4 hours ago, IAmNochu said:

That's an interesting take. I wouldn't be surprised if they were to actually do something like that since BTS has a lot of impact on SK soft power.

But I also wouldn't be surprised if it did not lead to an exemption. 

yea I sort of feel this way too. I do think hybe/government is testing the waters right now with BTS. As of right now, it's helpful that the Korean public overall seem to support the news and in general anytime BTS represents Korea on the world field.

Even getting part of their active duty time decreased would still be novel.

One step at a time. We shall see how things will turn out tho.

2 hours ago, Drama Drama Drama said:

YG lost a lot of male trainees from 2000 to 2003.

I read all boy trainees are since 2003 line trainees until 2010 liners.

And the girls are still waiting the debut.

 

wow i see, well...

59 minutes ago, miwa201 said:

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The thing about his brother's clothing is a bit more complex though, isn't it? Yeah, I'm sure he's aware of the implications that everything he wears gets identified immediately and then gets sold out. But I don't think it's right to say he's advertising those clothes? With the kombucha thing it's a bit different because he literally mentioned it (I'll be honest, I don't know the slightest thing about stocks so I don't really understand what's going on). He only wore his brother's brand's clothing a couple of times and never talked about them. I don't think it's right to say he's deceiving fans with that.

None of the translation sites have posted anything about this and I hope it doesn't blow up. 

 

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1 hour ago, Josaline said:

 

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I understand what you mean, but you're looking at it from the wrong angle. J-Hope had promoted her sister's outfits before that, but they had done so openly. But Jungkook acts like he's wearing or drinking random brands, yes he's not forcing the fans, but he's conscious that fans will buy them whenever he mentions or wears the brand. What he does is not at all supporting small businesses. One of these companies is his brother's, the other is HYBE's shareholders, and in one he is a director himself. That's the difference.

 

Also, as Satoori said, I'm pretty sure the members are doing this kind of covert promotion. For example, RM and J-Hope's Kaws posts are clearly advertisements. I am definitely not against members doing side jobs. For example, Jin and his brother's restaurant is a good example. They work together without hiding their work. As long as they're open to fans, it's fine with me. But otherwise you have to admit, they are using the love of the fans for them. In one way or another...

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, pinkpanda_spirit said:

Kpop =/= Korean political issues

this specific case is related to korean politics.

more importantly, a topic of discussion does not have to be "political" to be discussed DHFKFFJSH

fam, no one is forcing you to be part of the discussion. you don't have to make a comment if you don't want to. it's ok

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I may have been a little harsh with my previous comment but I honestly do not understand why some fans are making such a fuss about that.

Isn't this kind of thing common practice with celebrities? I find it a little strange to read that some feel like they were deceived. It's not like he told them "you absolutely have to buy this!".

I am actually glad that they are investing in side businesses, since we all know being an idols is not really a sustainable position.

And i can't understand those who tried to link this to BS, like wtf would they even do that?! Thankfully it was quickly debunked, as it should.

 

 

 

22 minutes ago, pinkpanda_spirit said:

I will never understand why international fans must give their 2 cents and debate over military exemption. Like, are you a korean man? No. Do you live in Korea? No. Do you have the right to vote / talk about their political issues ? No. So shut the f up 

This is a sensitive and serious issue in SK so let the korean governement do their thing (and koreans say their opinion).

I mean it's funny seeing them writing all these essays when it doesn't even concern them or their family

it's a kpop sub-forum. it's perfectly normal to discuss about kpop gossip and news. i will never understand why some people make such a big deal about sharing opinions tbh. as long as everyone is being respectful. not just kpop, but most topics around the world are discussed on different platforms all the time, so..

 

 

edit: anyways for yeaaaarrrs the kpop community have had discussions about the military. this is no difference. it's interesting to think there could be possible alternatives for male idols one day

Male idols serving as diplomats.

Recently BTS visit President Moon at Blue House, receive diplomatic passports and new perks

https://onehallyu.com/topic/843670-bts-visit-president-moon-at-blue-house-receive-diplomatic-passports-and-new-perks/

 Perhaps this "social experiment" with BTS could benefit other male idols in the near future.

 

 

r/kpop comments:

1. I  think the best would be to go through basic and then serve as diplomats using their status. They could travel and hold concerts for the military and high ranking officials around the world and work with the UN during that time.

This way they are still serving their country and people would not get mad.

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2. I agree. I don't think they'll call it exemption, but rather 'alternative service'. That means they'll likely still complete basic military training like gold-medalists do, but then their diplomatic role will be considered a form of service and they'll be expected to undertake a number of duties to promote Korea to the world. The government seems to be steering it that way, what with the photo ops and peppering BTS' name into several speeches that refer to their global reach and impact. It feels like a very subtle campaign from Moon's administration to convince the public that BTS are a great benefiter to the country as a soft power... and from my (admittedly limited) understanding it's proving effective.

I'm sure some Koreans will be mad about it, but I think Dynamite getting to number 1 on Billboard was a huge turning point. They appeared on the evening news and started to become household names, then they appeared on a couple of very popular K-variety shows. From what I've seen and heard, public opinion towards their military service has softened quite a lot particularly in the past year, and I think they would be very careful about how it was framed in order to minimise any damage to their public appeal.

Today's receipt of the certificates and diplomatic passports feels hugely symbolic. Like the Order of Cultural Merit medals, I wouldn't be surprised if a future ruling was passed to not specifically refer to BTS, but make it so that only BTS qualify (and any other groups in future who reach their level) by stating those in receipt of the certificates/passports do not need to serve active duty.

We'll have to see what happens, but this is very much the impression I'm getting as I watch this unfold in real-time.

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3. I honestly think BTS won't go to the army whenever that day comes. I think they'll get some sort of exception that allows them to skip it like Korean athletes do cause SK makes way to much money with them at the helm of the Hallyu Wave and with them constantly getting awards and recognition for spreading Korean culture worldwide, I feel it's already being set up.

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4. The government will definitely miss the soft power influence and money coming into the country. It's a pill they'd rather not swallow if they can avoid it. Fans want to get romantic about it but at the end of the day the government hides behind kpop groups, kdrama actors, and athletes whenever it benefits them.

BTS members will probably still have to do that extremely short basic training program that athletes have to do when they win a medal, but that's nothing compared to the full enlistment period.

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5. koreans mad over it?its kinda mixed reaction from them tbh many r happy

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6. (reply to #5) Yeah from what I can gather it’s more positive than negative… or should I say more indifferent in that I don’t think many see it as a huge issue what happens. It’s impossible to please everyone anyway so we’ll just have to see what’s agreed - it won’t be an overnight decision that’s for sure

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7. It is seeming more like they will join the military, do their bootcamp bit and then be given special assignments as military attachés of some sort.

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8. While some people use the example of athletes getting exemptions to push the case for other professions to get exemptions, you should be aware that athlete exemptions are highly controversial in of itself.

They were introduced in 1973 by the dictator Park Chung-hee, who was pushing for South Koreans to bring home medals in major sports — to distract the population from its dissatisfaction over his rule

Korea's conscription law by definition requires all able-bodied men to serve in the military or other supporting roles. Total exemptions for athletes in essence chips away at the supposed fairness of the system, but it is somewhat tolerated due to stringent requirements: which is to win a medal at the Olympics or Gold at the Asian Games.

You're not wrong about the impact of BTS, but what would the specific wording be for their exemption? If it's that they're making an X amount of money for the economy, then why not exempt all the rich kids with backing from their CEO fathers? As for cultural outreach- would it make sense to make a exemption law based on who tops a foreign music chart?

It's a difficult conversation to progress without putting into question the entire conscription system and demoralize the people serving- hence why it's better to not start this conversation at all.

No matter how justified, judging a person's worth as a case for exemption can always be seen as inconsiderate to the majority of average Korean guys who has to stop their studies/careers to join mandatory service. Their time shouldn't be worth less than any other figure in society.

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9. It is seeming more like they will join the military, do their bootcamp bit and then be given special assignments as military attachés of some sort.

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10. (reply to #8) [athlete exemptions are highly controversial] I don't see much backlash for it, no footballer's being cancelled for being exempted

[what would the specific wording be for their exemption?] They already settled that with the postponement

[why not exempt all the rich kids with backing from their CEO fathers?] I never got that comparison. You can replace a CEO, and certainly their kids, without many people noticing, but you can hardly put someone else in Son Heungmin or BTS' spot

[Their time shouldn't be worth less than any other figure in society.] Of course not, but then it would be rather hypocritical to say it's better not to start the discussion, wouldn't it? Athletes, classical musicians, phd students etc can all just keep their head down while BTS just has to bear the brunt of it?

I'm not really trying to argue military enlistment here, more so the contradiction in defending the exemptions for certain groups while not being open to discussing it for others.

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11. (reply to #8 )Two genuine questions: how is exempting an individual or group of individuals who clearly bring great specific glory and prosperity to Korea offending those who are expected to support Korea in other ways? You also say 'potentially', but do you have specific proof there would be significant backlash to the level of the Asian Games against BTS? They are so acknowledged for their contribution widely in SK, are you so sure that the support wouldn't outweigh the complaints?

2nd question - is the Asian games issue really a fair comparison? much of the controversy was because the whole team, including the bench warmers, were exempted, and that all it took was one tournament to get there. The superstar athletes weren't the issue so much as how many got out so easily.

BTS have had a sustained impact over several years and are still at their peak and bringing great prestige to their country. Very different situation than for the majority of those exempted footie players.

I'd think that about now would be the time we'd see very loud anger about all the special consideration BTS is getting, and news orgs, antis, and such would be ALL over that and translating in as many languages as possible, but I'm not seeing proof of such.

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12. I also actually will not complain if they serve as it's not my society, and think there's a very good chance the final outcome will end up being a sort of basic training + diplomatic service or arts service that is unique to them.

But I believe the point I and many are making is that as BTS' impact is so extraordinary on the country, the country's economy, and how they're viewed internationally that an exception is less arbitrary than it is trying to find a solution to the issue of one single group doing something that has never been done and quite honestly is very unlikely to be replicated anytime soon.

That is perhaps why the awards that no one else in their age range is eligible for, diplomatic privileges (which are almost never given to those younger than 35), etc - the outcome might not be random or arbitrary but instead extremely specific. That of course will piss off the 'but no one else can reach that!' crowd, but as you point out, that's exactly the point.

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13. I'm of the opposite opinion. I think it's a legitimate discussion to question why BTS and their enormous soft power would not be up for an exemption where others, much less impactful for Korea, are. Personally, I'm not expecting an exemption, but I do think they should at least consider a different interpretation of enlistment for them.

side note: It was the UN that had initially invited BTS along with the president, and apparently, this was not the only case where Moon personally felt he had received "great diplomatic help" from the act. Here's more detail from today's closed-door meeting. cr. 

sort of interesting tbh

KBS 2TV is producing a new variety show about family!

On September 15, KBS 2TV announced the launch of their new variety program titled “New Family Relationship Certificate Godfather” (literal title) in October.

“New Family Relationship Certificate Godfather” will be a close-up observational variety program about getting to know the real feelings between a father and a son through their newly created father-son relationship. The pair, who have different styles, views on marriage, and personalities, will try to see eye to eye while experiencing various scenarios together through the show.

The “Godfather” in the title refers to the meaning that a father is a figure of respect like a “god” while also reflecting the premise of the show in which they “got” a new father. In particular, the variety show will give secondhand satisfaction to the sons who feel saddened that they couldn’t support or take care of their fathers within their lifetimes.

As the subtitle “New Family Relationship Certificate” indicates, the show will ask viewers about the true proof of a family relationship in this current era in which personal space and time have become more valuable.

Furthermore, unimaginable celebrities have been cast as the “nation’s father” and “nation’s son.” Already, viewers are anticipating the father-son chemistry between each pair, who have received much love from the public, as they meet anew as father and son.

The production team shared, “We’re living in a frustrating era because parents don’t understand their sons’ and daughters’ ways of thinking, and children can’t communicate with their parents. Through the stories of the ‘nation’s father’ celebrities, who have carried South Korea’s modern history, and the ‘nation’s son’ celebrities, who are still looking for the answer to life, we want to create an opportunity that enlightens viewers about the importance of family.”

“New Family Relationship Certificate Godfather” will premiere in early October. cr.

13 hours ago, Dont mind me said:

kinda will probably be their way of conscription public service duty. It is smart on a business level

this is key.

if they're able to use this service as an alternative to active enlistment, then wow, smart move. this "test" with bts, could potentially be beneficial for other male idols in the future too.

 

 

1 hour ago, penyair said:

didn't jungkook violate a road traffic act?

a fender bender isn't listed as one of the un-qualifications..

lets be real, if every politician was blocked due to minor incidents when they were in their teens/20s, there wouldn't be any FHFHKLLSALK