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kelly is relatively new to talk show world, so it's probably not wise to call out the team supporting her(?) however i guess she could of did a unofficial pr-like post on sns to help alleviate the situation. something simple and to the point for fans. idk hmmm

Itzy - Dalla Dalla Blackpink - Love sick Girls the following songs below, I didn't dislike necessarily, it just took me a bit to warm up to them...but now *chef kiss* Fromis_9 - Talk & Talk BTS- Friends BTS - Butter NCT - Firetruck Apink - Hush EXO - Ko Ko Bop and Monster SNSD - I got a boy

well, i did say in those earlier threads that it didn't make sense that hybe and woollim would share.

no, they haven't. previously, bts mainly attended popular night shows. but they have met her at some award shows.

treasure was formed in 2019. so there's a chance for new bg in 2022/2023

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You're right. But i liked him more when he was part of the group. I'm not really interested in him as a soloist. heu heu

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uggghhh it's unfortunate that sechskies guy is problematic...he's really cute and entertaining. (confession: right before all the mess went down about him recently, i was sort getting into sechskies when they re-debuted. I've never stanned 1st gen group since they're before my time. But sechskies would have been an exception.

hyped !!!

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hmmm perhaps so. I still lowkey think full exemption could cause some backlash...BUT if the Korean government is able to spin it as diplomat hours being similar to service hours, then it could work. Already it's rumored/confirmed BTS is lined up at the end of the year to do some global-diplomatic type events. Lol yea the reactions from some ifans (hater/trolls) will be hilarious. yea I sort of feel this way too. I do think hybe/government is testing the waters right now with BTS. As of right now, it's helpful that the Korean public overall seem to support the news and in general anytime BTS represents Korea on the world field. Even getting part of their active duty time decreased would still be novel. One step at a time. We shall see how things will turn out tho.

wow i see, well...

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this specific case is related to korean politics. more importantly, a topic of discussion does not have to be "political" to be discussed DHFKFFJSH fam, no one is forcing you to be part of the discussion. you don't have to make a comment if you don't want to. it's ok

it's a kpop sub-forum. it's perfectly normal to discuss about kpop gossip and news. i will never understand why some people make such a big deal about sharing opinions tbh. as long as everyone is being respectful. not just kpop, but most topics around the world are discussed on different platforms all the time, so.. edit: anyways for yeaaaarrrs the kpop community have had discussions about the military. this is no difference. it's interesting to think there could be possible alternatives for male idols one day

Male idols serving as diplomats. Recently BTS visit President Moon at Blue House, receive diplomatic passports and new perks https://onehallyu.com/topic/843670-bts-visit-president-moon-at-blue-house-receive-diplomatic-passports-and-new-perks/ Perhaps this "social experiment" with BTS could benefit other male idols in the near future. r/kpop comments: 1. I think the best would be to go through basic and then serve as diplomats using their status. They could travel and hold concerts for the military and high ranking officials around the world and work with the UN during that time. This way they are still serving their country and people would not get mad. === 2. I agree. I don't think they'll call it exemption, but rather 'alternative service'. That means they'll likely still complete basic military training like gold-medalists do, but then their diplomatic role will be considered a form of service and they'll be expected to undertake a number of duties to promote Korea to the world. The government seems to be steering it that way, what with the photo ops and peppering BTS' name into several speeches that refer to their global reach and impact. It feels like a very subtle campaign from Moon's administration to convince the public that BTS are a great benefiter to the country as a soft power... and from my (admittedly limited) understanding it's proving effective. I'm sure some Koreans will be mad about it, but I think Dynamite getting to number 1 on Billboard was a huge turning point. They appeared on the evening news and started to become household names, then they appeared on a couple of very popular K-variety shows. From what I've seen and heard, public opinion towards their military service has softened quite a lot particularly in the past year, and I think they would be very careful about how it was framed in order to minimise any damage to their public appeal. Today's receipt of the certificates and diplomatic passports feels hugely symbolic. Like the Order of Cultural Merit medals, I wouldn't be surprised if a future ruling was passed to not specifically refer to BTS, but make it so that only BTS qualify (and any other groups in future who reach their level) by stating those in receipt of the certificates/passports do not need to serve active duty. We'll have to see what happens, but this is very much the impression I'm getting as I watch this unfold in real-time. === 3. I honestly think BTS won't go to the army whenever that day comes. I think they'll get some sort of exception that allows them to skip it like Korean athletes do cause SK makes way to much money with them at the helm of the Hallyu Wave and with them constantly getting awards and recognition for spreading Korean culture worldwide, I feel it's already being set up. === 4. The government will definitely miss the soft power influence and money coming into the country. It's a pill they'd rather not swallow if they can avoid it. Fans want to get romantic about it but at the end of the day the government hides behind kpop groups, kdrama actors, and athletes whenever it benefits them. BTS members will probably still have to do that extremely short basic training program that athletes have to do when they win a medal, but that's nothing compared to the full enlistment period. === 5. koreans mad over it?its kinda mixed reaction from them tbh many r happy === 6. (reply to #5) Yeah from what I can gather it’s more positive than negative… or should I say more indifferent in that I don’t think many see it as a huge issue what happens. It’s impossible to please everyone anyway so we’ll just have to see what’s agreed - it won’t be an overnight decision that’s for sure === 7. It is seeming more like they will join the military, do their bootcamp bit and then be given special assignments as military attachés of some sort. === 8. While some people use the example of athletes getting exemptions to push the case for other professions to get exemptions, you should be aware that athlete exemptions are highly controversial in of itself. They were introduced in 1973 by the dictator Park Chung-hee, who was pushing for South Koreans to bring home medals in major sports — to distract the population from its dissatisfaction over his rule Korea's conscription law by definition requires all able-bodied men to serve in the military or other supporting roles. Total exemptions for athletes in essence chips away at the supposed fairness of the system, but it is somewhat tolerated due to stringent requirements: which is to win a medal at the Olympics or Gold at the Asian Games. You're not wrong about the impact of BTS, but what would the specific wording be for their exemption? If it's that they're making an X amount of money for the economy, then why not exempt all the rich kids with backing from their CEO fathers? As for cultural outreach- would it make sense to make a exemption law based on who tops a foreign music chart? It's a difficult conversation to progress without putting into question the entire conscription system and demoralize the people serving- hence why it's better to not start this conversation at all. No matter how justified, judging a person's worth as a case for exemption can always be seen as inconsiderate to the majority of average Korean guys who has to stop their studies/careers to join mandatory service. Their time shouldn't be worth less than any other figure in society. === 9. It is seeming more like they will join the military, do their bootcamp bit and then be given special assignments as military attachés of some sort. === 10. (reply to #8) [athlete exemptions are highly controversial] I don't see much backlash for it, no footballer's being cancelled for being exempted [what would the specific wording be for their exemption?] They already settled that with the postponement [why not exempt all the rich kids with backing from their CEO fathers?] I never got that comparison. You can replace a CEO, and certainly their kids, without many people noticing, but you can hardly put someone else in Son Heungmin or BTS' spot [Their time shouldn't be worth less than any other figure in society.] Of course not, but then it would be rather hypocritical to say it's better not to start the discussion, wouldn't it? Athletes, classical musicians, phd students etc can all just keep their head down while BTS just has to bear the brunt of it? I'm not really trying to argue military enlistment here, more so the contradiction in defending the exemptions for certain groups while not being open to discussing it for others. === 11. (reply to #8 )Two genuine questions: how is exempting an individual or group of individuals who clearly bring great specific glory and prosperity to Korea offending those who are expected to support Korea in other ways? You also say 'potentially', but do you have specific proof there would be significant backlash to the level of the Asian Games against BTS? They are so acknowledged for their contribution widely in SK, are you so sure that the support wouldn't outweigh the complaints? 2nd question - is the Asian games issue really a fair comparison? much of the controversy was because the whole team, including the bench warmers, were exempted, and that all it took was one tournament to get there. The superstar athletes weren't the issue so much as how many got out so easily. BTS have had a sustained impact over several years and are still at their peak and bringing great prestige to their country. Very different situation than for the majority of those exempted footie players. I'd think that about now would be the time we'd see very loud anger about all the special consideration BTS is getting, and news orgs, antis, and such would be ALL over that and translating in as many languages as possible, but I'm not seeing proof of such. === 12. I also actually will not complain if they serve as it's not my society, and think there's a very good chance the final outcome will end up being a sort of basic training + diplomatic service or arts service that is unique to them. But I believe the point I and many are making is that as BTS' impact is so extraordinary on the country, the country's economy, and how they're viewed internationally that an exception is less arbitrary than it is trying to find a solution to the issue of one single group doing something that has never been done and quite honestly is very unlikely to be replicated anytime soon. That is perhaps why the awards that no one else in their age range is eligible for, diplomatic privileges (which are almost never given to those younger than 35), etc - the outcome might not be random or arbitrary but instead extremely specific. That of course will piss off the 'but no one else can reach that!' crowd, but as you point out, that's exactly the point. === 13. I'm of the opposite opinion. I think it's a legitimate discussion to question why BTS and their enormous soft power would not be up for an exemption where others, much less impactful for Korea, are. Personally, I'm not expecting an exemption, but I do think they should at least consider a different interpretation of enlistment for them.

side note: It was the UN that had initially invited BTS along with the president, and apparently, this was not the only case where Moon personally felt he had received "great diplomatic help" from the act. Here's more detail from today's closed-door meeting. cr.

sort of interesting tbh

KBS 2TV is producing a new variety show about family! On September 15, KBS 2TV announced the launch of their new variety program titled “New Family Relationship Certificate Godfather” (literal title) in October. “New Family Relationship Certificate Godfather” will be a close-up observational variety program about getting to know the real feelings between a father and a son through their newly created father-son relationship. The pair, who have different styles, views on marriage, and personalities, will try to see eye to eye while experiencing various scenarios together through the show. The “Godfather” in the title refers to the meaning that a father is a figure of respect like a “god” while also reflecting the premise of the show in which they “got” a new father. In particular, the variety show will give secondhand satisfaction to the sons who feel saddened that they couldn’t support or take care of their fathers within their lifetimes. As the subtitle “New Family Relationship Certificate” indicates, the show will ask viewers about the true proof of a family relationship in this current era in which personal space and time have become more valuable. Furthermore, unimaginable celebrities have been cast as the “nation’s father” and “nation’s son.” Already, viewers are anticipating the father-son chemistry between each pair, who have received much love from the public, as they meet anew as father and son. The production team shared, “We’re living in a frustrating era because parents don’t understand their sons’ and daughters’ ways of thinking, and children can’t communicate with their parents. Through the stories of the ‘nation’s father’ celebrities, who have carried South Korea’s modern history, and the ‘nation’s son’ celebrities, who are still looking for the answer to life, we want to create an opportunity that enlightens viewers about the importance of family.” “New Family Relationship Certificate Godfather” will premiere in early October. cr.

this is key. if they're able to use this service as an alternative to active enlistment, then wow, smart move. this "test" with bts, could potentially be beneficial for other male idols in the future too.

a fender bender isn't listed as one of the un-qualifications.. lets be real, if every politician was blocked due to minor incidents when they were in their teens/20s, there wouldn't be any FHFHKLLSALK