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    SM is such a greedy company ,all they care about is binding down their artist  and making as much profit as possible from fanbase with minimum effort.

     

    A group like snsd deserved much more than some thing like mrmr,and hollar for tts.

     

    They binded the members with contracts now they hardly put any effort ,which is seriously pissing me off,They fought so hard to resign them back to the point   by releasing their dating scandals and wrecked their comeback ,now they are again back to only caring about their rookies .

     

    The way YG handles bigbang really makes me jealous.Bigbang actually don't have a very big fandom now,but the way yg marketed and promoted them they managed to create a profitable fandom out of casual fans who are willing to spend money on them and listen their songs or watch their mv just based on their highly promoted name value.

     

    SNSD can have similar attraction since they already made a big name  ,but sm instead of building or maintaining their image decides to ruin the legacy  with low invested song like mrmr/hollar.Even some nugu groups gets better stuff than that

     

    YG is trying to make their deserving veteran act  bigbang the one of the best comeback , Mean while the garbage agency that is sm decided to wreck their own acts comeback to make the members resign at a more profitable termn for the company and without losing any member.

     

    SM don't deserve snsd any more.

     

    They were better off leaving, if SM only wanted to profit off them without proper treatment and investing.

     

     

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  2. Not much of a big deal but still funny that

     

    even though snsd IGAB had more than  4mill on first day and 5 million on 2nd day according to youtube themself

     

     

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    Certain fans were claiming to beat snsd ,because AKP posted this nuisance http://www.allkpop.com/article/2013/01/girls-generations-mv-for-i-got-a-boy-rakes-in-3-5-million-views-on-first-day

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    I dislike fighting and arguing but this time I can't help but say this...every time you post, you have a few good points and thoughts towards Soshi as a whole but this weird angst you have against some of the members. It outweighs everything else. I don't even feel like you're a fan anymore. Feels like all you want to do is instigate arguments. 

     

    I agree with the bragging it should stop, but I find, more often than not it's non-Sone who "brag" about such achievements and make 3000 threads. I strongly disagree that the dance line getting more parts is dragging the comeback down. It's not even that. Cos there are PLENTY of girlgroups with mediocre vocalists (in comparison to Soshi's mains) and they do well or more and that is because of the song. The songs are public friendly and easy to listen to. They get proper promotion and marketing. 

     

    I've long already accepted Soshi's "decline". I still love their music releases (good thing we have Japan) and their performances always excite me. Then we have that F1 event really embarrassed and made me realize that Soshi's exit from the idol group scene is very near. But at this point, I've been a fan for 7 years and I like that I'm growing old with them. Honestly, when they do retire, I will probably do away with Kpop, too. I haven't found a group that drags me in as much as Soshi does >.<. Ugh. I digress.

     

    The point is I really wish you wouldn't put the blame on who is in the center more, or has more lines, or is blablabla. It's not even about that jeez. It's about how their song is received (I really liked CMIYC). 

    I have nothing against any snsd members ,if any thing i ONLY dislike some of the elitist  individual member stan and delu ot9 stan.

     

    I have never  said dance line drags snsd down ,dont make wrong meaning  out of what I posted .

     

    All members contributes to what snsd is today,hyoyeon is very helpful in carrying ex members line ,and don't fails to attract ifans attention ,same as yuri sunny none of them are useless.

     

     Sooyoung  and her japanese skills were very important for snsd promotion in japan  ,she helped snsd get losts of public attention through her japanese skills.She contributed much more than a fanbase.Her contribution to snsd's most important  japanese activities is very crutual.W/o her snsd's japanese promotion would have been rather hard .

     

    My point was each member have their role in the group ,sm shouldn't try to make main dancer as lead vocalist ,it stupid.

     

    But at this point of carrier snsd cannot do cute concept like oh! to get easy hits like some other new girl groups.

    The so called gsd /apink do same old cute or sexy concept and promote the hell out of it for months and they ends up doing decently on charts but thats just temporary.

     

    They are not like snsd,SNSD are at a different position.they take on new concept each time

     for their each comeback people have  new expectations.

     

    Dance line may get as many screen time on video ,but when it comes to the digitals where no dance is shown, there is a big difference between listening to an gooD n popular  singer singing and dancers filling the lines.

     

    Public would want to listen more to songs where the singers can actually sing not just singtalk.

    And SM really half ass with snsd songs.So it doesn't helps either.

     

    After jessica's leave SM  started giving all the jessica's share to dancers which is the opposite of what they should do to makeup for the loss of a lead vocalist .

     

    So i hope thats just the case with concerts and cmiyc .

     

    Other wise I fear snsd may turn to the next TVXQ/suju where public don't bother listening because dancers singing most lines,

     

    And hater will say snsd flopped without jessica, while even if  jessica was still in snsd, if dancers were made to sing more lines than vocalist the digitals would have been effected still.

     

     

     

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  4. some stans of lower groups are just thirsty for soshi flopping so their favs could overtake the throne lol

     

     

    but i'm honestly worried for bb vs snsd (can sm just push it on 2nd week or third week?) i mean.. bb is just too strong for a competition.. but we can manage right?  :horror:

    People should stop careing about what some butthurt haters says,because after  years from now when snsd wouldn't be active, sone will regret the time they spend worrying about haters instead of just embracing the moments when snsd were active.

     

     

    And back in 2011 yg would have avoided snsd,but now BB seems to be the stronger one atleast on digital front,but snsd is still NGG any thing can happen even though I have my doubts sm would bother prepping them enough to beat BB on digitals.

    I love cmiyc but that is not how their korean comeback should be like.

  5. Regarding their comeback ,already warned about this because sones should be prepared,

    snsd would most likely do poorly in digital in their comeback if dance line  keeps getting many lines like CMIYC ,so be prepared about that.Instead of going to bragging spree about how knetz will lick their feet once they makes a comeback which would only furthers instigates butthurt haters to hate.

     

     

    digital is not every thing, now a days fansites of young groups mass steam even the least popular song to no 1 during night .Like exo.But its unlikely the case with snsd after the popular members got into dating scandals.

     

     

     

    SNSD comeback is not an elementary  talent show that all involved member have to get equal opportunity to show case their talents .

    SM needs to use more of  the most talented and most popular members to gain most attention and create hype for the songs.SM job is to ensure their comeback is a success so they need to do that.

     

    If sm still forces the dance line to sing  more lines like CMIYC then their kor cb will certainly DO POORLY .

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  6. Finally the  bullshit taeyeon rumor thread  was locked now after complaining that the rv thread which was from same source was locked .

    Well according to the mod no one reported it ,so next time sones should just report such bullshit threads .

     

    Lol whutttt???

     

    I was the one who claimed that source was not legit first.

     

     

    Posted 21 April 2015 - 07:59 PM (Edited by FoG, 22 April 2015 - 06:49 AM.)

    WHY ARE  PEOPLE SO DUMB ????

     

    THE SO CALLED SOURCE IS JUST AN UNREGISTERED USER AND HIS THREAD http://kpopbehind-fo...user=a3~UK Jung

     

    IN A NUGU FORUM ,

     

     

     

     

    MOST PROBABLY TRYING TO PROMOTE HIS FLOP FORUM

     

     

    Mods why dont you ask the op  about the source instead of letting just   random user post made up rumour  to start shit.?

     

    Posted 21 April 2015 - 07:36 PM (Edited by FoG, 21 April 2015 - 07:41 PM.)

    seny, on 21 Apr 2015 - 7:15 PM, said:snapback.png

     

     

    First of all where is the source?? this looks like a rumor made by a tryhard  w/o any source on a random forum http://kpopbehind-fo...user=a3~UK Jung

    http://onehallyu.com/topic/163987-rumors-kpop-female-idol-dates-two-top-idol-stars-at-the-same-time/page-3

    http://onehallyu.com/topic/163987-rumors-kpop-female-idol-dates-two-top-idol-stars-at-the-same-time/page-5

     

     

    After that I did report that thread,but mods did nothing .

     

    And also it is hilarious that such a popular thread which went on for 13 pages but no mods noticed that thread .

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  7. Snsd need song distribution a bit similar to this

     

     

    to make a bigger  hit than before ,

     

     

    if you pay attention to this video  only the main vocalist 2(the one that can actually sing) sings all the line,even though the group has like 6 members,

     

    So this turned out to be one of the biggest hit song in jpop .J SoulBrothers is the digital kings of japan.

    meanwhile jpop groups which make the dancers sing are unable to make public listen to their song  much.Public likes to listen to singers who can actually sing,the performers are more for make the video interesting purpose.

     

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    Thats just a an example

     

    So my point was ,SM should let taeyeon sing " atleast" 60%  the rest 30% by seo -fany and the remaining 10 % among the dance line,in their future songs.

    Thats the way  i can see they can gain more public interest for their songs,

    Giving more line to dancers is not the way to get hits at this point of their carrier.If taeyeon sing public will listen the more her lines are reduced the less public will listen.ASAT.

    Dance line is more about gathering fanbase and making the performance more interesting .

     

    Public wants to steam to singers that can actually sing instead of dancers .And snsd dance line killed their mystique attraction which got them going before by getting them selves in dating scandals.So its more on the actual vocalist to make the song a hit .

     

    Giving more lines to dancers is not the way to deal with loosing a lead vocalist,and loss of a vocalist  will be more evident if dancers are given more line as a result public will lose interest in their songs.

    Eg-CMIYC

     

    The best way to dealing with this is by giving the ex member's share to the better singer i.e taeyeon this way they would do even better.But giving her share to a dancer is very unlikely to help in digital.

     

     

    But knowing SM''s divide among all policy its highly unlikely .

    Still hoping for the best

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  8. They only performed in 2 gayos, one of which was the first time they are performing in Korea after 930. Surely they should have taken it seriously right given the gravity of the issue? And since when is trying hard a bad thing? They are paid tons to try hard. Go home and start following Soshi's schedule closely before calling me delulu.  Zhai you sound like you're drunk.

     

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    Sorry for spoiling the fun in the thread. 

     

    3 more days to MC Fany~ I can't wait to watch her embarrass herself but somehow still manages to be cute and endearing. 

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    "This is a competition" Jessi looks like she is having a lot of 2nd hand embarrassment. I feel you Jessi. 10/10 relatable.

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    1 OUT OF THREE  IS MORE THAN ENOUGH.

    last year they did just one more..

     

    I liked their performence well ,they dont have to prove any thing by some useless gayo perfomance .

  9. Okay, so how much do you think SJJD's upcoming single "CMIYC" is gonna sell in its 1st week?

    I check Ninki ratings for next week:

    01 274.31 HKT48 - 12 Byou

    02 210.09 Sandaime J Soul Brothers - STORM RIDERS feat. SLASH

    03 87.15 BUMP OF CHICKEN - Hello, world! / Colony

    04 64.13 Mizuki Nana - Angel Blossom

    05 55.36 Shoujo Jidai - Catch Me If You Can

    06 52.67 Nakayama Yuma - YOLO moment

    07 41.25 μ's - Mi wa μ'sic no Mi

    08 25.98 Gesu no Kiwami Otome. - Watashi Igai Watashi Janai no

    09 22.68 Mitsuru Matsuoka EARNEST DRIVE - time

    10 22.01 Aoi Eir - Lapis Lazuli

     

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    The NINKI ratings are the results of a POLL conducted by Oricon indicating degree of interest/degree of purchase intention in an upcoming release. Although the ratings are never a true reflection of sales, it does give a strong prediction about where the single/album will place in terms of popularity amongst the Japanese public. However, they are NOT an indication of how it will perform in terms of chart positioning and total sales for the week.

     

     

     

    It is expected to sell around 55k copies and rank #5 on Oricon Weekly chart. What do you guys think?

    Any rank between 3-5 is possible .

  10. Well, the real solution is for them to just stop performing "Gee", "Oh!", "Kissing You", and all of the other little girl songs they (and many of us) can't stand any more.  They won't "halfass" songs they like - but their fans - and SM - shouldn't expect them to keep performing the antique material in the same old way.

     

    Re-arranged versions, like the reworked "Into the New World", are OK - and a good way to pay tribute to their past without trying to re-live it.

     

    I dont think any thing wrong with them performing gee /kissing you ,,

     

    It would suck to be a fan in concert and not being able to relieve the nostalgia and live sound of soshi's biggest hits ,those songs  hits emotional cord with fans.

    Now they added more fanservice to it ,I actually like it well,the people that attend never complain so those who cannot even attend are poor judge here and they should refrain from criticising  after watching through some shitty yt fancams.

     

    Sm should just stop making them perform on 987987988 gayos and nugu plateforms like some rookie ,the girls are too big for that .They only perform according to what stage it is.

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  11. Firstly, congrats to Yuri^^ You know you have got the right guy when he makes you laugh like this. 

     

     

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    Please forgive me for this because its almost 1.30 am and I can't sleep. 

     

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    tl;dr Soshi makes me the saddest and the happiest person in the world and I might or might not be a fake sone. 

     

    Or maybe the dating news are slowly coming out because it is time for the girls want to date freely and are sick of sneaking around for 7 years? 

     

    Idk man, but from a business point of view, it is not logical for us to think that SM is deliberately messing things up. After all, Soshi is still a huge money maker. Especially so with f(x) in a limbo and rv being infants in an oversaturated rookie girl group market. How can SM destroy something that they have painstaking created?

     

    I criticize them all the time in private, but I never talk shit about them on forums. I am the typical trash fan that says "no you can't shit on my bias if you are not a fan I would fight you to death." But we need to get real here. Plus this is an official thread so no antis would be lurking here unless you're FoG? 

     

    Yeah, it might be SM's fault that they are saving the good title tracks for their newer girl groups. Yeah, it is definitely SM's fault for messing up the Mr Mr video. Yeah, SM probably should have tried to stop the dating rumours to preserve their public image. 

     

    But the ugly truth is, Soshi is declining mostly because of themselves. What about all the half assings? I don't think that's SM's fault. The half assings frustrates me so much, especially because we all know what the girls are capable of. They still have potential to go further, to reach higher.

     

    If you are the NGG, you better act like one. Some of the year end performances last year and let's not recall the joint concerts this year...I cringed and cursed but I love them too much and their visuals were on point so my shallow self let it go. But antis are going to latch on that and use it as ammo against the girls. Some fans are going to waver and jump ship. No doubt about that. 

     

    Soshi is a wall, and it seems to me that they are either going to go down gracefully with their own means, or crumble down as a result of their own carelessness. 

     

    But I still believe that the girls can still turn this around. CMIYC is a good indication that they still have what it takes to be at the top of their game. I am praying to all the gods in the world that this would be a turning point for them, a clean slate, a new beginning, into the new world, "never gonna look back" thingy for them. After all, for a girl group who had broken the "invisible glass ceiling" of a very sexist kpop industry, who says Soshi can't go on with dating revelations? I say it's time to break more "glass ceilings".

     

    (Tiffany bby, if you're creeping on OH and reading this please tell everyone not to half ass anymore and at least look like alive on stage!!!) 

     

    I don't care about the CMIYC sales but I really hope the girls would take the promotions seriously and not half ass the choreography. Then take it one step at a time, and build up to the Korean comeback. Rediscovering their rookie mentality. The next Korean comeback would literally be everything. Sones bulk buy juse

    delulu lol

     

    and this "not performing like in 2007anymore" whining ........

     

    Girl they are not 19 any more,if they performed like rookie in small plateforms and 897900980gayos that sm makes them attend, they would look too tryhard.

    Mature woman dancing hard like teens don't look good,hence they did some adjustment with vocals and fanservice.

     

    Bigbang hardly do any coreo now as they got older ,but their fan never complains about that ,but some delulu sones like to jump on the bandwagon created by haters "snsd dont give a shit on stage " bullcrap,because they don't perform like rookie

     

     

    And right snsd is declining because of themselves,since  they got themself  caught into dating scandal,

     

    and sm using them as scapegoat and not protecting them thats all

     

    ,not because they dont give a shit on a gayo lol,

    Halfassing on stage have no relation to charting on gaon and physical sales .

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  12. When sunny and seohyun will be confirmed ,,snsd will probably lose it .This is not a joke any more ,an idol group cannot continue  like this they are not artist ,they are idol for a reason.

     

    Why cannot every one be more professional ....Seriously a let down both from agency and the people working in it

     

    Pray for snsd next comeback ,hope it doesn't make the 2014 one look like a  hit.

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  13. Honestly at this point SM makes me mad and hopeless ,they are probably the shittiest company among the top5 in taking care about their artist.

    Do people think only snsd are dating ?? and dispatch don't know about which other popular idols from yg etc dating?

     

    But SM dont even care and they themself told dispatch for some internal motive or stopped protecting their privacy from kmedia,they only wants to protect exo and their rookies now.And  sm are pissed on them.

     

    In that regards yg is seriously the best ,even if people say yg is a troll bla bla ,but they really took care of their artist ,nothing like the garbage greedy management agency that is sm.

     

    While SM made snsd them tools and scapegoat for every thing.

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  14. It should give the sales a boost of course. But I don't think it will be any big difference compare with their previous album. My guess is that this album will still sell somewhere around Overdose 's sales, with more or less 5k copies

     

    Yeah, it's the DVD+BR chart. I couldn't find the chart for BR only with number available anywhere

    TVXQ relied mostly on fanbase and still now ,soka in prime sold much more through public.,but sales dwindled due to consequence of the events that happened later.

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  15. SNSD still has high album sales and we haven't seen much of that from BB since they haven't released a new album or even a Japanese single in years. So I guess we could say that Big Bang's physical sales power is unknown right now.

    On the other hand Fantastic Baby has been a huge success and despite not having released any new material in years Big Bang holds bigger tours than SNSD (and consequently they sell more DVDs).

     

    I thought it was Japanese, well that explains it.

     

    Yeah that's why I'm thinking they could be second. 

    If BB   DVD numbers is  because its because they do dome tour .ASAT,

     

    The toursize=dvd sales.

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  16. it's not a model for "Creative Economy" if they think using a dying trend (Hallyu, not just snsd) for sales will work

    They use to have near 4.5 million revenue now they made 30million  + through export contract only and expanded in china/japan/sea (in20+ countries).

     

    W/O a commercial shot through  ,how much can you ask?

     

    And its not even one of the most lucrative industry ,wig business don't generate revenue like say cosmetics or big clothes/brands ,

  17. As i said snsd demands in many millions thats why 09809808 smaller local brands that stick  to local groups cannot afford them.Thats why they do near 15 cf in total now compared to 2009 when it was near 30s,

     

    SM later signed a contract with Hair couture again for a bigger sum   as a joint venture and now

     

    haircouture has  signed export contract of over 30 million $  .And expanded in 10 countries.

     

     

    W/O a proper commercial

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