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yeah that's a false and hugely blanketed statement about something that's way more nuanced and complex, like obviously koreans understand and believe in homosexuality and think it exists, they're just more prejudiced about it and people there are less invested in amplifying gay voices and culture compared to westerners. this is very different from being "programmed" into thinking it's not real and with all due respect you sound dumb for thinking that it's possible that exo could be homophobic or feel a type of way about sehun but realistically they'd probably bully him behind the scenes and make his life hell that way which is what every idol group does when there's an outcast member. to think they'd play with something like a member being exposed as gay which could affect their image, their bag AND sm's bag is a very unserious take. i promise you koreans are a lot more rational than what ya'll take them for we already established what they meant by saying he isn't interested in girls, it's a common way of saying you or someone has no interest in dating. the use of the word "girl" is not meant to be taken literally here like "he has no interest in females" okay. it's just about relationships and again both men and women will say this when they aren't concerned with or aren't looking for a partner i don't know why you take things idols say so fucking literally like you've never heard of jokes, never heard of people reading a script, never heard of queer baiting or fan service. male idols say cringey romantic things about the same sex all the time and it's a completely normal thing and none of them take it as an actual sexual exclamation or advance the way non-koreans would. you might see something as sus or think there's "no hetero explanation" but that difference in culture is literally the reason why western kpop fans think everybody is gay, the k industry is predominantly queer or the percentage of mlm/wlw idols is higher than it actually is. stop thinking everything is serious all the time and stop denying cultural differences ya dunce

i'm sorry but a logical person would watch that and know that kai told sehun to do it because the whole episode they were ganging up on him and having him do the most goofy ones and that's the typical exo dynamic, sehun and suho are always being set up. i mean do you truly believe this was kai's way of publicly outing sehun and telling the world he's a pro dick sucker? what about that is rational sehun having no interest in girls only sounds sus if you're ignorant to korean culture because that's a very common way of people saying they aren't interested in dating and sehun has literally said that about himself, how he's focused on his career and doesn't have a desire to be in a relationship. again, why the fuck would you think exo would literally out sehun on a radio broadcast? how are you going to go on and on about korea being extremely and grossly homophobic to the point where idols could lose their careers but then believe exo's just telling everybody sehun's a homosexual and laughing? your lack of awareness and how nothing you say makes sense is actually the most irritating thing here, not that you keep speaking for a grown man korean opinion is the gold standard because these are korean men and your views on queerness have no weight if queerness manifests itself differently depending on the culture and society, this should be a given. also who told you koreans keep things on the dl? they have forums just like we do and have the same conversations. in fact there was a list going around a year or two ago about which idols and kdrama actors/actresses the gp thought was queer and guess what? sehun wasn't on the list lmao. color me shocked btw exo were saying there were a lot of fanboys in the audience and sehun replied "that's okay too, i like men", meaning he didn't mind having male fans. the only reason he looked awkward afterwards was because everyone took it wrong and he immediately knew that, that's why he started laughing and exo too. for the third time, why would you think sehun would out himself on stage? funny how you take this very public incident as 100% literal but something that happened on a smaller more private scale like an instagram live is the time where sehun's actually being dishonest. like he'll come out on camera or on stage in front of thousands of people but will lie in his live stream lmao. you're nuts

...the question was asked in english obvs by a western fan like did you not see me say 100 times that nobody in korea has ever thought this man was gay/queer and it's literally only international kpop bozos lmao

honey someone asked sehun a question and he had no obligation to acknowledge it but he did and said he wasn't gay. so why do you keep talking about idols feeling like they have to lie and hide in secrecy when he literally wasn't in any position where he had to do that, because again, NOBODY in his kor fanbase or in the general public thinks he's gay. like this is not something he's ever had to defend himself against despite all the "receipts" people here keep talking about. he didn't even make a big deal out of it, he just loled at the question, gave the answer and moved on to the next. y'all are really coming up with all kinds of conspiracy theories about his management being the ones who asked the question to deceive the public and sehun deciding to use reverse psychology in the 10 seconds it took the whole thing to transpire and it's very sad. like you really don't need to do this.

i don't know how else to explain it to you dude and if it doesn't click after reading this then don't even reply to me. please, spare me. dead serious. just move on. sehun did not need to confirm or deny being gay. he didn't even need to answer the question at all, but he did. he chose to address it for whatever reason, laughed at it and said "no". this literally has nothing to do with whatever bullshit you're talking about with christian cults and marijuana and amnesty. this is about (1) person and the context of a situation. but you've indicated to me 3 separate times now that you either don't or can't grasp the idea of context and compartmentalization so that's a dead end, apparently. allow me to try and explain it another way. you and everyone else here seem to believe that gay people act the same everywhere you go, like different cultures and societies just don't exist and have no bearing on the way people behave or present. they do exist and cultural differences play a huge part into why idols who are "fruity" by western/international standards are barely on the radar in korea and vice versa. of course there is some overlap and a few idols would probably be thought of as lgbt anywhere they went, but there are so many things that just don't cross over. speaking of which, SEHUN. nobody in korea thinks sehun is gay. that's never been something that was attached to him there, not by the general public or korean exols. in fact there's ALWAYS been whispers of him and female actresses in korea. now those could have just been rumors or maybe he was really dating these actresses, but it goes to show how people from his own culture view him. i put a hell of a lot more weight into that than not. last but not least, it's almost like you people have never seen how koreans interact with each other. like you'll see korean guys hanging out and being physically affectionate and raise an eyebrow, forgetting that that level of physical contact and comfort among korean men is literally the norm and NEVER looked at as being weird. korean guys will literally sit on each other's laps and squeeze their thighs and caress their faces and then go home and bang their girlfriends whom they're very much attracted to because they're straight men. this is just what it is. what's seen as sus to you doesn't even register for them. so how can you possibly base any of your assumptions about a male idol's sexuality on the way they interact with other men when that just by itself is already a 180 difference from what's considered normal "straight guy" behavior in the west? you can't. and it doesn't make sense to. they're different cultures therefore they should be judged differently. again...context. TLDR: sehun's not gay, stop looking at cultural differences as indicators of sexuality and stop trying to judge sexuality by western standards and societal norms. it's moronic. period.

look, i can take meds and not be crazy, you however will always be an idiot. goodbye.

it's really scary and bizarre how you think two completely different situations should be looked at the same. like this isn't even about kpop anymore, i'm just speaking generally. how have you been able to operate in society and even have meaningful relationships with people if you treat every person and situation the same as the last. like holy shit.

don't know if you can read but i clearly stated that sehun not being gay is based on him saying he isn't in conjunction with the fact that he hasn't done anything sus, like jay park has. the situations are different therefore my opinions about sehun and jay park are different. and you shouldn't speak about "logic" if you can't understand that. if you really can't comprehend how situations with different contexts should be handled differently then i honestly don't know how you've survived this long, like yikes and jay park is a gay man still in the closet who has said homophobic (and racist) things to try and make himself feel better about that fact i'm sorry but there hasn't been any proof of ten being gay lmao. proof is shit that's undeniable and nobody here or on any other website has presented anything that undeniably proves ten is 100% gay without a doubt. there's a lot of speculation, personal interpretation and downright delusion but like...who cares.

It does work like that because the situations are different? Jay was or is actually sus whereas Sehun isn't, he's just from a different culture lol. Like Koreans wouldn't look at Sehun or watch him interact with people and say "oh yeah that guy's definitely fruity". He doesn't even have that reputation in Korea and he's not a fan favorite in the LGBT community there like some other idols, who interestingly enough are hardly ever on anyone's radar internationally. So the vast majority of people who think he's this big gay icon are Western fans. In addition a lot of the receipts people bring to the table about him being gay are lackluster and fall short of proving anything. It's all very dubious and open for interpretation. Like he was lusting after men? You mean...looking in their general direction? Lmao okay. That's why when we have something a bit more substantial, like him saying he's not gay and the context around that, I'm tempted to give that weight. But about Jay Park, I truthfully don't care about him and I'm certainly not about to argue about him being gay or bisexual in this thread right now. I was just saying he used to behave in a way that was odd and common with dudes in denial, but whatevs lol. Right. Happens a lot. Pretty sure my own father is gay and he's always been in relationships with women.

Yeah him. I'll just talk about it briefly because there's a lot and I don't even keep up with him anymore but I remember when he was in his old group 2PM I always thought he was sus because he went out of his way to talk about how he wasn't gay and always made it a point to remind people that he wasn't gay. He seemed to have a hangup about it but it wasn't super noticeable. I actually stanned 2PM for a while though and Jay was my bias, so I definitely caught on to it and other 2PM fans did as well. One thing he did in particular that was totally unnecessary (but he felt the need to do it every time) was change the words in songs from boy to girl or any kind of pronouns to she/her when he was covering a female artist/girl group. He just wouldn't sing any lyric if it was referring to a man. Then this guy who knew him in Seattle before he moved to Korea to train said Jay was one of those young guys who was anti "girl" things, like he never wanted to be seen as girly or feminine. Of course this "old friend" could have been a fake and never met Jay a day in his life, but it was uncanny because some of us found this really poor quality rap track Jay had made pre-debut and the lyrics were just him talking about how he's not a pussy and he's no bitch. It seemed to correlate with what this "old friend" had said. But yeah, I haven't followed Jay or cared about what he's doing in years but I imagine that the image he was trying to uphold back then is tenfold now. But I'm not saying I'm totally convinced he's gay because I do think he likes women too, but it's just peculiar because so many guys who are actually gay or bi behave like this. Being staunchly homophobic or always out to prove how manly and "not gay" they are is their coping mechanism and their way of burying and denying their sexuality. I mean when he said he liked men he was saying that in terms of having male fans. Like he was addressing the fact that he has a lot of fanboys and his response was "that's OK, I like men". It was people like yourself who took it to mean he likes men sexually, lol. But he's never said anything like that in a sexual or romantic context. And how do you know who he was lusting after? How do you know what he was thinking when he was looking at these men? Did he tell you or are assuming he was being lustful because that's how you interpreted it? You sound like those shippers who see a 5 second interaction of an idol looking at another idol and build an entire storyline from that, lmao. Also I know this isn't rocket science but apparently it is for you because again, for the third time, this is literally not about idols being told to hush and not talk about their sexuality. This isn't about idols not being able to come out of the closet openly and having to live a double life in secret forever. This isn't about Korea being homophobic. This is about one person and the way they handled a question that they didn't even have to address. I've said several times that with most things in life, the truthfulness and validity of a person or statement hinges on context. So that's what this whole convo is about and I'm really confused as to why that's not clicking for you. Btw why are you acting like Sehun not being gay is my idea and my opinion? You act like I'm trying to convince you when he literally told you this himself. He said out of his mouth that he's not gay. So I'm not trying to dog you for having a different opinion, I'm dogging you for being in denial. I'm dogging you out because someone told you something and you won't believe it because "people lie". Okay? And people also genuine, so what now? Jay being a whore is a moot point though, for a couple reasons. One, he could be bi or pan because again, sexuality isn't just het vs gay, but more importantly, it's very common for gay men to live the straight life for decades. They have girlfriends, they get married and they even having children before they decide to come out or live the way they've always wanted. Some gay men never come out and no one knows who they truly are except a few select people. So while Jay being a whore means or could mean he likes women, it doesn't mean he's not attracted to men. Not trying to sound condescending but it's real ironic how Sehun telling us he's not gay has no validity because idols lie but Jay Park singing a song about women's butts is 100% proof that he's straight lmao. It's just a song. But I get why you'd have this reaction to me saying Jay might be LGBT because like I was talking about earlier, he pretty much fits the typical Western standard of masculinity and the things he sings about and some of his hobbies are heteronormative or associated with straight men. Again, it's only the idols who don't fit that standard who are thought to be gay in Kpop. You don't have an open mind though. Like your thinking is very typical. You're not saying anything that's outside of the box right now, lol.

But it's not about Sehun being gay anymore because he's not gay, like I'm not trying to argue that fact anymore. Now it's about why people won't accept it. Like I'm hung up on the way people won't accept that they were wrong about Sehun and don't understand that they're super regressive when it comes to sexuality, even those who claim to be "woke"/accepting and members of the LGBT community themselves. I just have a major issue with how the bar for being gay in Kpop is in hell and based entirely on Western standards of masculinity. And I'm not saying people can't think an idol is gay or speculate on an idol being gay but just do it critically. But to answer your question I think some possible LGBT idols are Lucas, Xiaojun, Tao, Yesung, Jokwon, Key, Sunoo, Jungwon, Suga, Lee Know, Jonghyun, Jay Park and countless others, I just don't know their names because I'm only a casual listener of their group.

I don't want to date Sehun or Ten, lol. Sehun isn't even my bias in Exo. This is literally more so about Kpop fans being stupid and regressive and not wanting to accept that everything they think about gay people comes from Western stereotypes and they know fuck all about sexuality &/or gender expression. If you're not Korean or come from a Western culture then anything that isn't aggressively het is gay, and only gay too. Like apparently gay and straight are the only options out there lol. Anyway yeah, Sehun doesn't like men. Sorry. Like I said above, him not being gay doesn't make him straight. I never said he was straight, just said he's not gay or I don't readily believe he is. I'd say this is a pretty typical opinion. The majority of people would label the members exactly like this, give or take a few differences. However personally I think Yangyang is clearly fucking straight. Imo he's really the hetest member. And for some reason Lucas has everyone thinking he's this big time slut for women, like a vagina slayer of sorts. I'm not so convinced...

i still don't think you're getting it though. this isn't about being able to come out or how unrealistic it is for idols to simply say they're gay. this is about sehun and the context surrounding what he said that night. again, it was out of left field for him to not only read something like that out loud but then answer it. he didn't need to do that and he had no reason to do that. so i think the fact that he did, unprovoked, is the key here. like if he would have denied that in any other setting it would be a different story, but the way it went down is giving it credence. many times the truthfulness and validity of a statement hinges on the context, hinges on what's going on at the time, and the context here is he addressed that shit for no reason other than being genuinely confused as to why people were asking such a goofy question in the chat. he even said "why are people asking me if i'm gay?" his little "giggle" at the end that people are holding onto and saying he was just pulling everyone's leg and that was his way of letting us know is literally him laughing at how random that question was. and as quickly as the question entered the chat was as quick as he answered it and moved on with the live. like it wasn't even a big thing to him lol. it took all of 10 seconds like an idol would answer any other uninteresting or pointless question. so atp i don't know what else y'all want. also i just want to add that even though i didn't have an i told you so moment with sehun letting us all know he isn't gay, i will definitely have a huge big fat I TOLD YOU FUCKERS SO moment when the same thing happens with ten. however and whenever that happens, trust and believe i will be right here in this thread laughing at everybody who called me delusional, homophobic and stupid. like i'm not letting that one slide like i did sehun lmao.

....No I don't expect idols to just come out but that's a different situation, Ten's Nose. I'm specifically speaking about how Sehun chose to tell us he's not gay and how that wasn't satisfactory to anyone. How what he says about his own sexuality is dismissed. Well I'm not assuming about Sehun at least because he's not gay, he literally told us that. But no I'm not a sasaeng lmao. Wouldn't Sehun be one of those idols who said they weren't gay unprompted though. Like if he was having an interview or was in the middle of a fansign and somehow his sexuality was brought up and he denied being gay, that's different. But this dude was chilling at home having a personal IG live with fans and chose to read one of their questions out loud as well as answer it. He didn't have to do any of that. He could have read the question and kept it moving. He wasn't being cornered and really had no reason to address something like that right then and there. So I think the fact that it happened the way it did says a lot. I mean the context in which it all went down is important. He didn't seem uncomfortable, in fact he laughed at the absurdity of the question lol.

I can't believe that for years and years I argued with people in this thread about Sehun and his sexuality and was called all kinds of crazy and delusional, only for Sehun to literally say unprovoked "I'm not gay", and I had very little of a reaction to it lol. Like you'd think that would have been the biggest I told you so moment, and even though it was, I'm just disappointed that I didn't milk that shit more, because that was probably the one thing I've been adamant about in Kpop for so long and the fact that I was right and it was Sehun who proved me right? Smh, I really must be a good person because anyone else would have came here and laughed in y'alls faces. But I suppose when you already know something to be true and you've been sitting on that fact for a while, it's not such a big deal when it comes to light, like yeah...Sehun isn't gay...I've been knowing that lol. But I have a genuine question, do Kpop fans typically not care about what an idol says in regards to their sexuality? If an idol says they do or don't identify as something, does that just not mean anything? Like why isn't Sehun telling you himself he's not gay enough for you to stop calling him gay? Is it denial? What is it?

he didn't have to say yes or no. he literally could have just ignored the comment and kept it moving. he was on his own personal live, not an interview or anything like that. he wasn't being cornered to answer, basically. but he chose to address it, and he said he's not gay. seems pretty straight forward... everyone: sehun is gay sehun: actually i'm not everyone: yeah that means nothing ??????????? like do you not know how you sound right now he said he's not gay, therefore he's not gay. 2+2=4 right? please understand that sehun chose to answer that question on his own accord and chose to tell us that he's not gay. please respect him and don't speak over him. thank you for telling sehun what his orientation is. after all you know him better than he knows himself. can you also tell me which numbers will be called for the mega millions? trying to win big. 3. the answer is 3.

i think key is pan, ten is straight, sehun is asexual and jokwon is gay. but see, even though i personally believe ten is straight, i am open to him being gay/having zero attraction to women. if he did or said something that wasn't in the context of goofing off with his bandmates/queerbaiting (which thus far has been every single "gay" interaction), then yeah, i'd say he likes men. on the other hand, you think someone is trolling or taking the piss for suggesting he's straight. that's very odd. odd how you could be so sure of someone's orientation. based on this, it seems to me that ten being gay is more about you and your feelings than how he actually identifies. ten could get on insta live right now and talk about how much he loves pussy and you and others like you wouldn't believe it, because you're a simple kpop fan. you live in a fantasy world where you will stop at nothing to feed your narrative. so if/when ten does have a dating scandal with a female or just straight up puts all the gay talk to rest, you can simply say it's a coverup or he's lying because "homophobia". what a convenient way to speak over someone. for what? for a gay kink? that's embarrassing and sad. anyway, it's clear that this thread hasn't evolved in close to a decade, lol. i won't waste time here any longer. but just remember: lgbt+ folk are a minority and that doesn't change just because it's kpop. the odds of someone being straight are greater than them being gay, statistically speaking. and ten is a het.

interesting how you want to stop talking about the things that might suggest ten is attracted to women but seem to be okay with people declaring he's gay based on jokes between friends. and you don't think you have some kind of ulterior motive. huh. also, nice video. but ally ten is just ally ten. him saying that he felt he made a fool out of himself proves that he's aware of what he's doing because it's an act. like everyone else who queerbaits in nct are acting or doing it for shits and giggles. he is quite literally acknowledging how out of control he was and he felt dumb for that. the video which makes him embarrassed because he's doing the most, is one of the videos fans use as "evidence". meanwhile ten's saying "yeah i'm an idiot don't watch that shit", lol. like...how much more clear can it be.

yes i will def watch a vid of how gay ten is, made by a teen girl who fetishizes gay men and wants her idol to be gay because that's a turn on for her. totally not delusional and problematic at all. but have a good night~

but no one has presented evidence that he likes men sexually and not women. that's the point. your idea of evidence is posting photos of him with his friends and him dancing with another idol...the thing he gets paid to do. so what exactly was your post trying to prove or disprove? that he's not shy/introverted? well take that up with ten because he's the one who says it. btw, introverts and people who are reclusive types can have friends. being friendless is not what being an introvert means. and MANY artists/singers/actors have introverted personalities. so again...what did you disprove. so are you saying ten lied and that never happened? either it happened and he's just laying it on thick for tv or it didn't.

so he exaggerated a true story...i fail to see how this makes a difference. either it really happened or it didn't.

uh, ten has called himself shy and an introvert several times over the years... i don't know why people think the way an idol acts when they're being recorded on camera is the way they are when they're alone, or with friends, or with strangers. ten (& yangyang) has hermit-like tendencies. something fans keep ignoring because on camera they're chatty and chaotic. also i didn't say he fears women. it's different. it's more like a social thing. like an anxiety or a nervousness. when he was on HTS, someone (i forget the name of the dude) asked him if he'd ever danced with a girl before. the way he answered "no, i never have" in conjunction with his body language indicated that he knew what was next: he was going to have to dance with a girl. he knew it, and the whole atmosphere changed. his talking became short and you could physically see him going inward, into himself, clinging onto the pillow laying on his lap. the whole transaction was strange and just further solidified my belief that ten likes women, but he's weird about it. idk. there's a lot going on with ten emotionally and psychologically. i just think it's a bit deeper than what meets the eye. i don't care to talk about sehun these days. i mean i still don't think he likes men sexually but it's whatevs. about ten, that's just the thing. it's...really not obvious. i don't think a man telling gay jokes makes him a gay man, especially when the whole damn group loves to queerbait. these men in nct literally find it comical to do "gay" shit. i also wanna say that, like i was telling the person above, some idols are like night and day. the ten we see on variety shows or in interviews is not the same ten we see on instagram live or bubble. they're two different people.

yeah but aren't those just...jokes i remember after wayv shot their exercise video, the one where ten was making gay jokes left and right and even got in position for xiaojun and handed him hand sanitizer as if it were lube, he had a video call with a fan. the fan said she watched that exercise video recently and ten got super embarrassed. he told her not to watch it because looking back, he felt like he made a fool out of himself. so i mean, this kinda indicates that he's aware of how silly he looks and he's literally doing it to be provocative. it's similar to the infamous "i like sticky things in my mouth" or whatever the line was, with a sly ass smile. when taeyong didn't give him the reaction he wanted, ten broke character and said "it was a joke".

i thought this was a new thread and the other was archived? but yeah, like 6 yrs ago i would post about sehun a lot.

hey everyone, i'm new to the thread. can we talk about ten from nct for a sec? ten is my ult, and for years now it’s been perplexing to me how so many people think he's gay. he's never pinged me, and as much as i try and look for things that might suggest he's one of us (lgbt+)...i'm just not seeing it. really really not seeing it. based on what i've seen and things ten has said, he's very timid around women and feels more comfortable with men. and although he prefers the company of men, he's not sexually attracted to them. he literally farted in his ballet class because he was so nervous being around girls, and he had a real breakdown on hit the stage because he had to do skinship with a woman, and he blatantly said he was too shy to do it. (instead of touching her, he hovered his hand over her body like the raging virgin he is. yes, virgin.) you see, ten's mentioned how he's never had a girlfriend, and i believe that, but i don't think it's because he's gay but because he's truly an introverted and bashful person, but even more so and to an extreme degree around women. it's almost like he's socially awkward when it comes to the opposite sex. for example, everyone has seen the video of him reacting to that HTS performance, and when the dancers are being explicit, ten has a visible reaction. 95% of people are saying it's because he's not here for that "het shit", like he's so disgusted by straights that he has to look away? like he hasn't seen straight people before? yeah no. i'm not buying that actually. in fact it read very differently to me. when the female dancer sticks her ass in the air, ten looks down, then away. this looks more like the reaction of a man who's never felt the touch of a woman and doesn't know what to do/feels sheepish, like he just can't face it head on, and less of a "disgusted" reaction. however, i see that a lot of people base him being gay around his interactions with his members as opposed to his interactions with women. so as for him "flirting" with his members, well, if you know ten then you'd know that he has a provocative personality sometimes and enjoys cornering people. he’s like jungwoo in the sense of literally saying the most uncomfortable things to his members because he KNOWS it makes them uncomfortable. ten can be a dick ass troll, and not just in a flirtatious way either. in addition, ten’s very selective with who he jokes around with and the way he jokes around with them. for example, the things he has said to taeyong or johnny would never be said to people like kun or xiaojun or mark. that’s because he knows what to say to certain members. anyway, i just wanted to know what y'all thought about my assessment. and does anyone else here think he's straight? (sorry, i'm sure this has been discussed before but there's 3000+ pages and i couldn't figure out how to search for a specific term.)