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I think this thread is interesting to read to understand how K-voters work better in Broduce
https://www.reddit.com/r/BroduceX101/comments/bo2ayb/understanding_produce_x101_fandom/
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Just my opinion regarding Sunho.
Mnet will not let Sunho in even if he can. They will choose someone who can at least complete the 2.5 years exclusive part. They will most likely choose members who can fulfill the 5 years contract in full.
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The whole point of Produce is to choose the top 11 / 12 trainees who can attract viewers to vote for them and only them and place them among the upper pool of trainees among the top 20 / 22 trainees during the final. What makes this particular trainee so 'special' in the eye of these voters? To the extent where the voters think "I must vote for this trainee so that he / she can be a part of the final group?"
There must be a mix of at least 3 to 4 factors below + likable to the majority
- Visual
- Storyline / effective screentime / screentime with impact / memorable screentime
- Talent / skills (need not be great but have to be at least passable for a member of a kpop group)
- Personality
- X-factor / star quality
In every season there is a token place for one not skilled pretty trainee to make it. This trainee usually is visual, not skilled but likable and memorable.
Mnet to some extent do 'manipulate' voters through screentime allocation but if a trainee has solid one-pick voters they will make it. Case on point Jihoon in S2.
A great performance can put a trainee on the radar of voters but to make it as a final member, a lot more than that is needed. Momentum is crucial. Most if not all finalists are set by the end of episode 5 (first elimination). The latest a trainee can start to truly rise is position evaluation (by episode 7). Any later than that it will be almost impossible to top the one pick votes gathered by popular trainees from the beginning of the show.
Trainee(s) who rise in the 2nd half of the show will have higher chance to debut as the voting would have mostly stabilized. Also whoever is the popular second pick among eliminated trainees during the 3rd elimination (top 35 to 20 / 22) will also have much greater chance to make it because those votes will go to them.
I heard Sunho has enlisted.
But I also think he needs a lot more than just pity story to actually make it. Whether it's a great performance or what, anything.
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Some Korean communities did 1-pick survey recently.
Instiz (total votes is 2,657, going on from May 13th to May 17th)
1. Kim Yohan
2. Song Hyeongjun
3. Kim Wooseok
4. #50-#99 trainees
5. Kim Mingyu
6. Nam Dohyun
6. Lee Eunsang
7. Cha Junho
8. Goo Jungmo
9. Joo Changwook
10. Ham Wonjin
11. Yuri

The rest of results (with lesser votes because it was screencapped before the screencap above)
https://gall.dcinside.com/board/view/?id=producex&no=452090
DC Gall
(total 1,185 votes, going on for 2 hours):
#1 Kim Yohan
#2 Goo Jungmo
#3 Song Hyeongjun
#4 Kim Mingyu
#5 Nam Dohyun
#6 Kim Wooseok
#7 Ham Wonjin
#8 Lee Eunsang
#9 Choi Suhwan
#10 Cha JunhoComplete result

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There are quite some of visual diversity in this season as well, but most of masculine looking ones are aggregated in lower ranks and less popular so you don't notice them much lol Like Han Gichan, Baek Jin, Kim Hyungmin, Byun Seongtae, Lee Hangyul, Mahiro, etc.
Koreans like them flower boys.
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Hyeongjun had L stamp on his chest. He's X class leader!

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minhee being one of the less popular starship boys so far surprises me tbh... his visuals are top tier and he actually seems to have the bigger personality between the 5 despite his colder initial image
hyeongjun is the cutest thing ever and he is officially my back up 1 pick, his sass during hidden box was hilarious
im already worried for the starship boys during 1 pick. they might have a nuest type situation where all of them make the final round but because a large portion of their fanbases were shared, most of them drop out of the final group. i guess thats not too big of a problem if starship is debuting them tho, i just wanna see all of them debut somehow
There were some mock polls of 1 pick amongst of different Korean communities, and there are still 2 Starship boys who are always on top 11 even in 1 pick (Goo Jungmo and Song Hyeongjun). Hence I believe they don't really share the same fanbases.
Also can't really compare already debuted group fanbase (who obviously would vote the group members out of loyalty) and trainees who were only known 3 weeks ago. One of the example is how Moon Hyunbin is mostly forgotten by Kfans while other 4 of Starship trainees are popular, in top 11 if not around #11-15 of mock polls.
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So far the names who have appeared in all top 11 of all polls of all 4 Korean communities so far:
Kim Mingyu
Cha Junho
Song Hyeongjun
Goo Jungmo
Lee Jinwoo
Hwang Yoonseong
Would be interesting to see how they would fare in first week ranks as a comparison.
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Yeah I don't see any single of YG and JYP trainees being included in debut lineup made by K-fans so far. Amongst K fans seems like Starship and Woollim trainees got the most hype to date.
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Wonyoung being first was no surprise. Koreans loved her and she was first in a rank before, and knowing mnet they would not have let a Japanese trainee win 1st even if Sakura was made for center
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No Kfans are suspecting and accusing Wonyoung center result is "rigged" unlike ifans. Literally only ifans who complained of Wonyoung being center lol
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I just remember the day that "paper" came up happened to coincide with April mop. So I guess I would really be taking this with a whole grain of salt although there was a paper too.
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Another set of rumored songs, Idk if this has been posted
Shinhwa - Brand New
BTS - Blood, Sweat, Tears
Wanna One - Burn It Up
Black Pink - As If It's Your Last
Seventeen - Don't Wanna Cry
SHINee - Lucifer
EXO - Overdose
Super Junior - Miracle
I personally doubt the credibility of this rumor because iirc Produce never did opposite gender songs in 1st cover evaluation. And considering how some of the songs are so old, whereas PD48 used fairly more recent songs for 1st round.
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I've been lurking on DC Gall for a while, and out of the contestants I think these contestants have been mentioned the most often as their picks/debut line:
- Kim Wooseok
- Kim Mingyu- Kim Yohan- Cha Junho- Goo Jungmo- Song Hyungjun- Lee SejinSo I guess these trainees are the most likely to be high ranked on the first week show later. (+ Lee Yoojin because of his Sky Castle fame and Son Dongpyo because of center)I feel like Kim Mingyu is mentioned and talked so often that he could end up on top 5 or 3.-
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I'm rooting for him so far. He's very cute

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I'm rooting for Song Hyungjun so far. He's really so damn cute I'm-

He already has 17 fansites by now so seems like he's also sorta popular.
From A class I'm looking out for Kim Sihoon, Ham Wonjin, Son Dongpyo.
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Imo Kim Sihoon is the one who would fit the center position the best. The way he expresses it fits the song so well and his dance was energetic too. I think he fits this song the best.
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PRODUCE 101 Season 4 Official Thread
in Variety Shows
Posted · Edited by riribl
If you see the last 3 1-pick polls from different Korean communities that were posted here, Song Hyeongjun has really strong 1-pick.
It was 1-pick polls but he was ranked #1-#3 in all of those 3 polls. He's def not a side pick based on these mock polls at least.