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I honestly don't know how to describe Kiko, it's either you love her or hate her. On one side, she's this right wing, wild party girl who likes pictures of drugs but on the other side, some describe her as a ray of sunshine who works hard, a fashion icon, and a survivor of fatherly abuse I don't know what that girl did to summon the ire of both k and j-netz but I think it's got to do with their disease --- overreacting. I'd say both Japan and Korea are not fond of her looks, they've always set this crazy standards and being an exotic looking woman is not one of them.

Saw this post in allkpop which perfectly sumps up how "good boy" came to be: two SWEGGERS are obviously more comfortablele together GD: what should we do, sweg YB: lets SWEG together One, I love Gd but almost half of that interview was about "I, me, my". Two, I find it uncomfortable with the idea that because TOP is a rapper, then it would be a good excuse to mask Taeyang's own judgement towards music. Three, TOP&GD was the perfect collab, they were heading towards one direction but their own colors never changed. It wasn't a TOP ft. GD or vice versa, no one got outshined, it were still two people who perfectly mixed what they had and produced good, unique results. Four, was expecting some music that will take me back to k-hiphop roots, unfortunately, I was welcomed by a club-banger, maintstream-influence song instead.

Guys, who was the one singing that baby line in 0:02??? Was it hongseok??

Hongseok is so precious!!! LOOK AT THAT FACE!! so gorgeous already without any help from dr. Kim. And he's rich and smart im drowning in hongseok feels huhu. Tbh, his voice is already better than some of the idols now.. Not to mention some idols had a clean slate, they had no singing talent when they started while Hongseok is already that good with only two weeks of training. If he's good now then he'll be even better with training. Unfortunately, some kpop fans keep forgetting that idols are singers too and they settle for less smh

True. There's a reason why casual fans just won't shut up about how bad their vocals are or how mediocre they are. With 7 members you would think they would struggle less and it'll be harder to see their faults but unfortunately, this is not the case. It's Yg's fault. They way they are promoted/marketed is so dumb, from the favoritism issues, using jinseok as sacrificial lambs, to taking over the world with their music. Like how Yg keeps labelling them as the next Bigbang, it's irritating. Bigbang is one of the most well-rounded groups I know and Ikon is far from that(as of now). For one, I've never really seen an IKON fan who loves all the boys equally. It's always "Bobby x1000, BI!!!" Two, Bigbang can go solo if they want to. Sure, IKON can go solo as well, but will it sell? Three, all bigbang members excel at the designated roles they play. All their talents are comparable and no member outshines another. While the roles of some Ikon members overlap badly and it's always "Bobby, you can work less harder now, bobby is a beast, Triple kim, all i see is you" Being a hiphop group in this hip-hop infested world of kpop, you have to be different and unique and I really don't know how they can pull that off. Not to mention their songs are not really wow (after climax), and it's irking how some fans/yg praise it like it's some god-given music. And sure, a kpop group always have one or two mediocre members but if they want to rule the world like they're saying, they gotta think twice. I hope they see the bigger picture, see how the general public/casual fans accept IKON and not based their decisions on some (usually preteen/teens) obsessive ot6 fans. These batshit fans have the tendency to be volatile, once their oppar does something they do not want, they would jump ship instantly. While the general public is the true investment, they will keep IKON running for a long time. Really, I hope Yg would stop pushing them as the next big thing when they have yet to prove something because the hype he keeps trying to stir is backfiring. Casual fans/ non-fans now keep asking, "After years in the yg dungeon training, are they ok with debuting like this? With this mediocre talent? mediocre songs? Is this what yg calls the next bigbang? " offtopic BOBBY IS SO SO HOT IN THE I'M DIFFERENT MV #JusticeforBobby

Me too I thought it was Chanwoo because it sounds like him. From a youtube comment: From what I heard from a fan who went there , she said that Chanwoo was supposed to sing that part of 'oh baby dont worry' but then he forgot his lines and jinhwan noticed it and cover it up for him . But this is kinda confusing since Jinhwan also forgot his lyrics (this is a clearer snippet of that part) http://instagram.com/p/vai2WHm_RK/

Oh, are you talking about the belting part? Because that sounded kinda bad, especially in the "oooh yeahh part", he strained lot. Yun sounds great in LTNS, but it sucks that he was given too little lines. If it's the "baby don't worry part" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmn3Mzq8Kx0 It's Jinhwan (I only found out right now, the supposedly "off tune parts" were him forgetting the lyrics)

Finally heard that LTNS fancam and what a mess ....That softness with a just a little touch of huskiness was all gone, no beautiful timbre anymore, no smooth falsetto that can pull you out from the deep dark depths of your hollow soul. Jinhyeong is one with LTNS and LTNS is one with Jinhyeong. No one can replace.

HE'S SO HANDDSOMMMMEEEEE *ugly sobbing* Wow, he really loves that sweater

GAHHH, true!!! It's so hard to wait but those years of being a yg stan have made me patient. I want to see Jinhy undergo puberty Hongseok is really the whole package, he can be the next IU/Suzy or can be the next soo joong ki (smart and talented) and be everyone's first love. He is the boy who every girl wants her parents to meet. Hongseok if you're reading this, bear my children True, Idk why they're setting aside education, all the more so since idol life is pretty much unpredictable. I hope they go Minzy where they go to univ after a few years. And oh, I don't think there's another vocal coach for the boy trainees, for example, Taehyun was the only who thought of letting his members step on his stomach to improve his vocal color/technique. I've never really seen that awful vocal coach ever really teach them proper breathing techniques. It sucks, with Yg having that much money, you'd think they could afford a better vocal teacher. #slayingyourfavessince2014

Yup, I'm soooooo excited for their transformation!!! I hope that they pull a prince yoyo where the improvement is just wow, like where did that come from Out of all the trainees, Puppy is the least one who needs polishing because he is already that good. He can sing, is perfect, dance, is tall, is perfect, goodlooking(words cannot describe), is perfect. I find no fault in him really.He's gonna be the next big star! I hope he becomes a stripper dancing machine partnered with his (improved) heavenly voice I'm guessing they'll teach him how to compose now!!! I can't waitttt I'm hoping Hongseok do get yg-fied, like get more confident and attitude and yup, Hongseok does not need earrings, he already has a beautiful perfect face. I'm also excited to see his dancing or if he can't improve it lol I'm hoping he takes TOP as a mentor or something, TOP does not need awesome dancing skills because the way he carries himself is already breath-taking icannntttt. And maybe that awful vocal teacher can help him with his singing styles so he can fit with more genres, I remember reading a comment like that here. After learning that, he should change vocal teachers fast because that vocal coach is awfuull. Based on the mma performance of KSY, he is good but he became throaty and strained a lot. I bet it's that awful vocal coach's fault. I hope Hongseok won't suffer that atrocity because he already has good technique.

Oh, that's a relief :D But will any level of fluency make them more popular? Seeing that Exo and super junior are extrreemmelly popular and some of their members are fluent. Or maybe it's because those groups have chinese members I guess?

Slayage!!! *ugly sobbing* we can only dream now. By next week, with the start of ikon's journey to debut, we'll see how fair/unfair the line distributions are and how they fare as a group. I hope it won't suck with Chanwoo's addition coz as much as I am still kinda bitter with Jinseok not making it, I'm still hoping the best for Ikon. I hope they make it big. Oh, is it just me who is kinda worried for their china debut? Not because of their vocals but because of their level of fluency. Chinese is hard to learn if we're talking about months. I don't want them to suffer the 'just-smile-and-nod-they'll-think-we-get-it' shizz or 'f-where's-translator-noona' or 'after-a-short-scripted-message-we-are-ready-to-leave' in variety shows. All the more so that Hongseok's addition would have been useful :(

/brb fainting Junhoe: (lol at him not giving a fck when Chanwoo was coughing)

The chosen ones BEAUTIFUL FACES = OPENING THE GATES OF HEAVEN BEAUTIFUL VOICES = CLEANSING ALL THAT IS EVIL IN THIS WORLD

I have mixed feelings about Jinseok being captivated in the yg dungeon. It's true that yg has very good training in dance and stage presence departments. They're the best in terms of pumping up a crowd or captivating an audience(unless, jinseok decide to go to the ballad/rnb route because they don't need to hype up a crowd) I'm not saying that their voices aren't good enough but it's true that they are still lacking in those areas. If there's anything that Chanwoo is better than the two of them, I think it's confidence, so I think yg training will be able to pull that out as well as hone their stage mannerisms/facial expressions. Yg can also give them input on song writing and composing so they could really benefit from that. On the other hand, I'm still worried about their vocals. Yg sucks in training GOOD singers. They are pretty good in turning bad vocals to mediocre vocals but that's not saying much. After a yg singer reaches a certain peak, I often notice that their voices deteriorate or fluctuate. In the rare cases that yg singers do get better, it's most probably through their own efforts. I hope Jinseok will pull off a Minzy and wow us even more with their singing. Yg also likes to delay everything and will probably throw off trainees if they are not satisfied, if the trainees are not their favorites or if the trainees get sick on waiting too long. Not too mention their artists also suffer from the favoritism issues and endless delays. I hope this will not happen in Jinseok's case since they already have a pretty huge fanbase that are ready to pull out pitchforks if yg decides to give them the unfair and delay treatment. IT ALSO REALLY SUCKS TO WAIT FOR THEM BECAUSE I WANT TOO SEE THEIR BEAUTIFUL FACES OPENING THE GATES OF HEAVEN AND HEAR THEIR BEAUTIFUL VOICES CLEANSING ALL THAT IS EVIL IN THIS WORLD. YG SPAWN OF SATAN dikface don't mess with jinseok ughhhh

I wanted to see Jinseok all thick and buff so yep, had to do it im creepy haha. Oh got the base from some random philippine varsity playahss hahaha

JINSEOK - RAW Sorry guys, I have too much free time on my hands. I wanted to cheer you guys up in a creepy way There's so much uncertainty right now but I just hope that wherever they go, they will be treated fairly and they'll be happy .

Do not forget to buy the Hachi Soundtrack No more tracklist this time, just sad piano and violin instrumentals Composed by: I-am-not-an-Iljin :(

Watch out the queen of shade is coming! Track List: 01. When I was your trainee 02. Not enough (ghetto) 04. I did my best, but I guess my best wasn't good enough (ft. BI) 05.100 times (ft. Lee hi) 06. Eyes, nose, lips (full version) 07. Evil (directed by: Mnet) 08. Double trouble (ft. Chanwoo) I suck at titles, add some more please!

Aside from that, "That guy doesn't need autotune" They haven't seen his other performances, just the LTNS, so they kinda judged harshly.

I made my non kpop-friends judge who sang the best in the finals. I also made sure not to introduced anyone of the boys. Lol everyone had a hard time pointing out who from who so they sent me these screencaps instead. LTNS Everyone pretty much loved Jinhyeong, even the guys. No surprise there. "He has a good voice" "He has the best falsetto" "Orgasm" "Is he korean? why is he not white lol" Yunhyeong was loved too. "He's pretty confident" "Ooohhh, he has a nice voice" "I love his stage presence" "He's cute lol" My friends thought Chanwoo was ok when they first heard him . They were pretty much indifferent. However, they commented that he was not given so much lines and he kinda faded in the background. Other comments: "That one who looks like my chinese friend, sounds like a vagina" (lol sorry Jinhwan) "I love the first one who rapped" (everyone loved Bobby!!!)" ENL Almost everyone loved that ENL performance. However, everyone commented that these two have the best voices: Yg you fcked up big time

I'm gonna miss it :( JunSeok Junjin cr:kimhanbun Junhoe is such a tsundere was expecting this scenario..... baby Junhoe bottom