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  1. If your initial post had an inkling of reality I would have bothered to type a responce but since you spouted all kinds of nonsense, I didnt. You can type of all kinds of rebuttals but you are someone who came here with an unrealitistic expectation of people agreeing with you and reserving their criticism of BI. Uhh no it doesnt work like that. My responce would have fallen to deaf ears. You should quarantine yourself to the main iKON thread where rabid, defensive girls like you flock. This thread is a safe haven from your kind.

     

    And keep double posting! I will report you so mods can ban you faster than Sim lost his 10th account.

    We'll agree to disagree since this is an exercise in futility. However I do appreciate you not using overly vulgar terms though your use of rabid fangirl is amusing.

     

    Double posting? If you are talking about me not multi quoting it's because that's not available on mobile and I'm on the subway.

     

    Have a great day.

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  2. Btw I think y'all is taking their personality stuff a lot too seriously. From what I've witnessed objectively, they're a generic mix of immature, hilarious, easy-going, sassy, and nice bunch of kids. Which to me seems like a healthy and interesting dynamic. Everyone being sugar coated is just not realistic. We have members like Chanwoo, Yunhyeong, bobby, donghyuk, jinhyeong, and Jinhwan who are generally friendly and that occasional throw of heaviness + bluntless with Junhwe, BI, and Hongseok. And I find absolutely nothing wrong with that because this happens when you're kids, teenagers, and adults. And even so, BI is quick to warm up to these guys and willing to help them out. If he really wanted hongseok to fail that badly, he wouldn't give him the time of the day or even spare a slice of his anger. Hongseok doing bad would only be a disadvantage for Hongseok (same with all the other trainees) as BI is a fixed member and has nothing to worry about. But the fact that everyone is putting in the effort to make these trainees shine in every performance (IE - OT6 claiming that the new trainees in their own respective teams will do the best in the performances) show that there is cooperative action taking place. And Hongseok isn't even in BI's team, and yet he offers pointers during rehearsals since Hong isn't used to the environment as they are. Junhwe's behavior is probably one of the most realistic and raw of the bunch, which is why a lot of y'all aren't liking it. Because we're so used to our idols putting up an idealistic front.

    I find this statement to be very true. Also those comments were made in initial reaction interviews but their actions have only shown them to be supportive and helpful. It's like when you are at work or school and though you may have a negative first impression or dislike someone you keep that opinion to yourself and still make sure you create the best project.

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  3. You should add Jinhyeong and Chanwoo to that list. People have been questioning his leadership skills since Day 1 of this show when he introduced himself as a "busy man, no time to train you guys" to the trainees. The Hongseok incident is definitely not the first.

     

    I was responding to a specific posters comments involving Hongseok. I'm sure there was much discussion involving the first episode.

     

    Personally I don't the issue with informing them that he's unavailable to tutor them. He is busy. So was Bobby. I'm looking at this thru the framework of a regular job though. Team leaders don't hold your hand in the workplace. They delegate someone to guide you. Perhaps my difference of opinion is based on work experience

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  4. The butthurt fangirl is showing her true colors! Oppa is being criticized so I must blindy come to his rescue!

     

    You know very well that this is a discussion thread and no one is safe from criticism. Hanbin's leadership has been scrutinized before your OH existence. Its nothing personal or ill intended. People are entitled to their own opinion. No one has to consider yours any less than you are willing to accept theirs.

    *sigh* That's nice dear. Discussion isn't the issue. Your vulgarity in what WAS a civil discussion is. It's amazing what people will say from behind a keyboard and call discussion.

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  5. You're being overly defensive of B.I. Criticizing his leadership =/= disliking him. Aren't you being judgmental on the new kid as well? At least those who are criticizing B.I's leadership have two reality shows to base it on while you only have one episode for Hongseok.

     

    Nah, I'm not being overly defensive. I responded to specific criticisms that were not valid. I can only judge based on their incredibly rude responses. If they do like him that's nice but I only responded to their over inflated statements.

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  6. I didnt downplay that BI is a leader. Unlike you, I acknowledge that he is prone to making mistakes and of course that affects his team. With his position comes great responsibility. Thats why he should more conscious of his actions. As leader, he is held at a higher standard because he is accountable for his whole team. Bullying and throwing childish fits are ill fitted for a leader. Since you cant the difference between right or wrong and support bullies, I would have fired your ass as leader.

     

    Boo hoo bleeding-heart pussies like you can bite me. If you cant take the heat, get out of the kitchen. Learn a thing or two from Hanbin about running away.

    I acknowledge that Hanbin has flaws as no one is perfect but I addressed your specific comments that you posted. If you want to misinterpret that as Hanbin is perfect please do so.

     

    I was going to engage you but again you think inappropriate comments are okay. For someone who thinks vulgarity is a form of civil discussion it's difficult to expect a nuanced response. We'll agree to disagree because you are not someone I particularly care to speak to about this anymore.

     

    Also that is my picture and same username EVERYWHERE on the internet. I don't hide who I am so don't mistake my disgust with your commments as running away. Be clear that it's because this forum is clearly not for me if that sort of speech is okay.

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  7. Ohhh that is...reaching.. :imstupid:

     

    Didnt you know Hanbin has been getting criticisms on his leadership way before Hongseok came barging into the scene? In fact people has problems with it since the WIN era when he walked out of team b :derp:

    When all their comments relate to Hongseok and Hanbin it's difficult to call it reaching. However since I did not use this site during Win, and will only occasionally visit in the future since some comments are a very distasteful, this could be section XXV of their ongoing issues with him that I did not know about.

     

    I always find these standards people create so interesting...and tiresome. Anyhow thanks for clarifying that some people have always disliked Hanbin and Hongseok is the latest tool in their case.

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    LOL...you can misinterpret as you wish. Having been in positions of leadership over the years and also in dance crews when I was younger Hanbin has the characteristics of many a leader.

     

    However the rest of your comment is really disgusting. I was informed that this thread was a place of civil discussion but that is obviously not the case. It was my mistake to even speak to you. Girl Bye

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  9. Come back to me when you don't base your argument on ideas you assumed and fabricated in your mind.

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    /dead

    Everything I wrote was stated in the epidode. I even watched the episode a second time with English subs to make sure I didn't miss anything so I find it INCREDIBLY rude of you to accuse me of fabrication and lunacy rather than respond with a counter argument stating your position.

     

    I didn't really care about Hongseok being on the team until all these international Hongseok stans decided insulting Hanbin for Hongseok's laziness was somehow a way to support Hongseok. iKON is Hanbin's team and it's centered around him. If you dislike him so much, because of a 2 week trainee we've seen nothing from, perhaps you should switch to Bang Yedam's team.

     

    Since you clearly have your opinion and no desire to actually engage in discussion it seems our conversation is over

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  10. People should stop obsessing and fixating on small actions like Hongseok skipping extra dance practice once (which was what BI really complained about) and instead judge these kids based on their personalities. Episode 3 happened months ago...Hongseok apologized. Give him the chance to prove that he can open up himself to listening to those younger than him like BI. He dropped out of school to join YGE. This is his first time adjusting to the trainee lifestyle.  

     

    Though I understand if people harshly criticize team B for their unwelcoming and entitled behavior. Have you some forgotten team B started off as 3 not 6? Yuhhyeong, Donghyuk then Junhoe came into the picture later at different timesJinhwan, Bobby and BI has been adjusting to the addition of new members throughout the past four years. People can sit here and say that they were taken aback by the news of new trainees but the matter of fact is that this process is not new to them at all. For them to dismiss the new trainees as temporary members and stay stuck in the OT6 mindset is bullshit. It was very petty for BI to avoid helping Honseok during dance practice. As a leader, he should have a collective mentality about whats best for team. After taking new trainees under his wing 3 times before, you would think he would more inclined to helping the new trainees integrate well into his team. How can he preach about sacred teamwork when he himself refused to help Hongseok....

     

     

     

    1) That dance practice he didn't help Hongseok with was the one to determine the 5 best dancers for that part THAT DAY...Hongseok was never going to be picked and delaying practice to teach him would be counterproductive. Instead once he selected the five dancers they began working on the next part which Hongseok would be in. He delagated additional instruction of Hongseok to Donghyuk because obviously Hanbin did NOT have the time.  Considering Hongseok still didn't know the dance routine FIVE DAYS BEFORE EVALUATION it's safe to say he skipped more than one extra practice.  

     

    2) Hongseok took leave from college...the Team B members are the ones who dropped out of school. 

     

    3) Hanbin does not have time to coddle anyone.  Everyone was in agreement, including the new trainees, that they hadn't been making the extra effort they needed to.  Why would anyone offer additional help to people who aren't doing anything to help themselves? He arranged extra time with Donghyuk and told him to practice and Hongseok didn't.  As a leader he informed them of their lacking in regards to hard work and how they needed to fix it.  There is no excuse for why people who KNOW they are far behind the rest aren't doing the extra work to improve and try to catch up. 

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  11. My lovelies, I have a little favour to ask you. Go watch Climax for a little bit more since we are soooo close to 1 milion views and I think that would be a really nice present for our anniversary, don't you agree?

     No matter if you are a fan of the new trainees or the older 6 or you like them all cause damn they are cute  :ahmagah: just help us reach 1mil views for the Team B that started it all and the Team B that worked their butts off for years and managed to give us this beautiful song and perfomance that still brings tears to my eyes  :rlytearpls:

     

    That song still gets my emotions going...everyone just singing and rapping (and playing the piano)...my Team B babies

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  12. you can cry hanbin all day, that doesnt change anything. ofc I expect a leader, however young or stressed or whatever, to treat someone fairly. thats not really performing a miracle.

     

    Hongseok still hadn't learned the dance routine 5 days before the monthly evaluation.  Hanbin told him 5 days before he needed to stay and practice and to get Donghyuk to instruct him.  I'm sure you don't have a problem with a leader using skills such as delegation.

     

    To address your initial complaint on the group practice I'm sure you are aware that was to pick the 5 best dancers JUST for that part...obviously he didn't make the cut. Hongseok would have had additional assistance with the second part of the dance he was supposed to do IF he had stayed, learned the dance, and practiced but he did not.

     

    So I think you trying to drag Hanbin down for the laziness of Hongseok is VERY wrong.  We will have to agree to disagree on his leadership because I think he is doing an excellent job.  

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  13. its not all that new ^

    given that hongsuk has literally no training and was most likely feeling disjointed: i wouldve hoped B.I showed him more clearly the moves, corrected what needs to be corrected and then continue on from there. and if hongsuk needed more guidance, the other trainees are there to help him or give him a one on one. all of these are good for team building. i dont see much productivity in him struggling and learning the moves wrong(and then getting frustrated with bc hes doing it wrong). he could instead be practicing the /right/ moves and getting up to speed. ofc, its all on him in the end to be putting in the time and effort needed from him, but if the atmosphere is already so negative...how much learning can be done?

     

     

    all in all...im not asking for too much of B.I. lol

     

    Team practice time is not a time for individual instruction...that's why he needs to learn from Donghyuk and stay behind and practice.  Since he didn't do that I don't see why Hanbin should give extra instruction.

     

    Yes...I do think this show is starting to become an exercise in how close Hanbin can come to making miracles from peopel's expectations LOL 

    has anyone else noticed that the member sometimes still have the price tags of their clothes still on, is it normal to do that type of stuff in korea? i find it really weird lol

     

    It's a trend the kids do...it was happening in America a few years ago but people still do it with hats...still ridiculous

     

    Unless all their clothing is sponsored and that is a thing in Korea that you have to leave the tags on

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  14. Hanbin is a good leader in how he pushes people, however his team is not his team anymore. Anyone of the new trainees can be his team members which means he needs to push and treat them all equally and keep his favoritism in check.  Favoritism allows mediocry later on. It doesn't matter  if he doesn't like Hong Seok or not, if YG puts him on Hanbin's team, Hanbin as a leader will have to deal otherwise we are gonna end  up with a Jay Park/T-ara incident which both teams have never recovered from.

     

    Also how the hell will any of them handle being on actual variety shows if it seems anyone new shows up they hate them? Its really not a good look and OT6  would  do better showing that they are confident in their skills but not relaxed then unseemingly insecure about every little thing. Thats the reason why Bobby did well in Show me teh money and BI didn't do as well because Bobby stayed confident and didn't feel threatened by everyone while BI lacked. I get what he was going through but doesn't excuse it. What is he going to do when his group has their  first scandal or get really bad publicity?

     

    I think this sort of assessment is unfair. They've just begun and if the new members aren't putting in extra effort like the others it'd be hard to help them. He stayed and taught Chanwoo and Jinhyeong and he told Hongseok he needed work and that Donghyuk would teach him. He then gave them a clear assessment of their status after Hongseok didn't follow his instructions and his dancing didn't improve.  Also ALL teams with pre-debut reality shows have to awkward development when new members are involved (seriously look at Vixx and Big Bang's shows).  

     

    I would say Hanbin's problem was he had TOO MUCH going on. He messed up lyrics and then would freestyle as necessary. To me that isn't a bad thing. However, Bobby isn't in the same position he is. 

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  15. hmm, im not that bothered by what B.I said honestly. (also appreciate yunhyung for what he told the newbies.) i just kinda wish he would assist him a bit more in the beginning, instead of leaving it all to donhyun and not bothering to even look at him during the first practice...

     

    Okay...I think we need to recognize that there were 9 people in the practice room and Hanbin was teaching the initial routine.  If he stopped practice to focus on Hongseok that would be a problem. I guarantee people would say he was being unfair. He said he watched him and he was terrible. It's pretty clear he taught everyone the routine and then arranged for Hongseok to be assisted.  We say we don't want Hanbin taking on too much and it's clear with everything he had going on that teaching ONE person individually would not be happening. Delegation is part of leadership too.  If he stayed and practiced he could have gone to Hanbin with questions since he was still there.

     

    I personally don't feel any sentiment towards Hongseok yet aside that I cannot see that he wants it. Whether or not he has a better voice the key to iKON will be teamwork and their leadership.  The new member(s) has to find their place in that dynamic and fit. 

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  16.  

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    2. B.I: Did you practice yesterday, hyung? 

      Hongseok: I left after our 3 teams practiced separately. 

      B.I: Okay. So that means you didn’t practice the dance then. I said at the last recording that you need to practice til 4-5 a.m. before you go. 

      -flashback-

      B.I: Hyung, from today on, you should barely be able to sleep. After they all leave, you should stay here and practice as long as I’m here. Learn the moves from Donghyuk, memorize it quickly and just keep practicing. 

      -end of flashback-

      B.I: You should work harder than me at least. How can you not practice at all when you’re competing against the 3 original members? I’ve never seen you practice. All of you are the same. You guys practice too. Really, all of you don’t practice as much as we do. Really. Do you have confidence? Do you have the confidence to win (against the original members)? If it was me, I’d practice all night long. Even if I got frustrated, I’d do it. You don’t have any motivation to do it. Why do I have to do this right now? It’s unfair, isn’t it?

      Hongseok: No.

      B.I: I’d rather you feel that it’s unfair. I’d rather you feel unfair that you practiced really hard and you couldn’t show what you practiced properly and that’s why I’m yelling at you. If I had to say honestly, you three aren’t that desperate are you? If you make it then you make it and if you don’t, then you don’t, right?

      Yunhyeong: I’m also curious about that. For us three (Yunjundong), if we don’t make it, then we don’t make it. For Junhwe and I, we’ve been here for 2 and a half years. If we don’t make this team then we won’t make it. But you guys have been here for 2-3 months. This is a really good chance for you guys. You can’t just compete with the three of you. You have to look at us 3 (original members) and compete. You have to try to win against Hanbin, then you can win against us. 

      B.I: Do you really want to do this, hyung? Do you have any feelings of desperation?

      Hongseok: Even to myself, I know I haven’t been doing a satisfactory job and I know I haven’t been doing my best. So I’ll work hard. I’m really sorry to you guys. 

      B.I: Having a nosebleed is a normality. You should feel like you’re dying from tiredness. Why sleep? Why go to the dorm? Why rest? There’s no such a thing as a weekend. Do well.

       
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    Oh I'm glad you posted this...I've been telling people that Hanbin told the newbies EXACTLY what their problem was and gave them a direct Leader talk.  They lack tension and desperation...greatness Hanbinnie 

     

    Also the unreleased clip of this week makes me think Hongseok is not engaged at all...we'll see how things go in the future. I won't go further than that because folks seem VERY dedicated to supporting him. 

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    Well naw, he most definitely better not steer in that path.

    In her earlier times with them she did do some good is how I'll think of him right now.

     

    I don't put all the weight on her though for the fuck ups that have happened.

    That falls on Scott, He.is.trash.

    I don't think I need to say more other than Storm should've nipped him in the bud instead of babysitting that shitty marriage she was in.

    I truly believe if she was there, a lot of that mess wouldn't have happened.

    And I wish they'd send the teen original five back to where they belong and bring back Jean for good.

     

     

    Dude...Storm did nip him...and then the writing team split the X-Men so Scott could have a team whose leadership he ran from in New X-Men because Jean busted him and Emma for their affair. Also I LOVE that in the young X-Men, who came to the future, Jean is like EWWW to the idea of ever dating Scott. He is such a fail and a prick.  When the schism happened Storm ONLY stayed because Scott admitted he was crazy pants and needed someone to watch him. In the end she still ended up at the Jean Grey School because nobody has time for all their madness (AvX).

     

    OMG that shitty marriage...when Black Panther divorced her on his own we were all like, "It's not like ANYONE approved of your marriage anyway asshole! Your loss! Storm was the one hosting Bast and holding Wakanda down. He isn't even Black Panther anymore because he SUCKS."  Yes...he is a prick to me too. I see a trend with male comic book characters and their whiny personalities.  

     

    Storms new book though...about time

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    Lmao

     

    I'm serious though, I like him and I know he probably didn't mean it but he gave me strong Ms. Frost vibes with his body expressions and so forth.

    I still have a love/hate relationship with her but hopefully he'll follow her path and becomes able to be beneficial to the group.

     

     

    I just have a hate relationship with her. Next weekend I'm on a podcast to review older comics and we're doing the first 6 issues of Astonishing...it's not going to be a good look for her.  No...HER mistakes got the New Mutants killed.  Then she sent away the kids who go depowered and then THEY got killed. She helped Scott on the path to crazytown while usurping team leadership and got super militant after they moved and then FINANCED his crazy operation. Yeah...NO. 

     

    So...Hongseok don't be the Emma Frost. 

  19. Hubs made a good point when we watched it together. He said that as of now, while Hongseok's vocals are better than everyone else except Junhwe's, he doesn't seem to want this (iKON) as much as the other new trainees. Hubs thinks Jinhyeong wants it the most and after watching it with him, I think I can see that too. Jinhyeong tries really hard to fit with the dynamic of the group and he's improved his vocal and dance skills to the point where he's one of the 5 dancers in the front for next week's episode. I know we're only one episode in with Yang Jr. and I think he's such a talented cutie with lots of vocal potential, but if he truly wants this, he better show that he can fit in with the group and make it known to everyone that he wants it badly. 

     

    He doesn't have any tension. That was the complaint Team B had when he was introduced. He was too relaxed.  My immediate reaction to Hanbin being disappointed in their dance and then finding out that Hongseok didn't stay and practice as directed is that he doesn't want it. Also just ignorning the directions of the Leader? That's a no no. Hongseok also knows he was wrong because after Hanbin told them the facts he said he didn't find it unfair and wished he could. They made a big deal of Chanwoo staying late to practice his singing. If the two week trainee isn't working himself to exhaustion to improve his singing and dancing he is not going to be viewed as someone who wants it or should get a position in the group.  There are 6/7 episodes left and about 5 months of footage so if he does want to be there we'll see a change. He'll listen to Hanbin, practice as hard as possible to catch up (nosebleeds, no weekends, late nights), fit into group dynamics, and he'll make it clear he wants to debut in THIS group.

     

    It doesn't matter if his vocal is better than others if his skills completely lack in other areas, he doesn't follow the team leadership, or if he doesn't fit the team. 

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    Agree with you about the trans. we're SO lucky to have an amazing subber that always does and amazing job at live trans for mix&match, and i worry that all this criticism is going to discourage her from continuing to do so in the future.

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    btw i see from your posts that you're new so welcome to the thread!!  :stare:  :chu:

     

    Thank you for the welcome and I am worried as well. 

  21. that's my question as well. i mean sure sure he's a good leader in some aspects but really in some areas of leadership it's not appropriate. all those screaming (shouting?), talking down on them, intimidating them, undermining them, walking out on them etc etc. that's not  leadership. that's just plainly being autocratic or plainly being a bully. but okay, let's blame it or excuse these types of behavior to his age, him being young and him being stressed out.

     

    He is a leader for a reason. Leaders are made so that there will be that someone that could guide, lead, show, offer compassion etc etc in any given situation to a team. Leaders must not show any preference to a certain individual moreso when they are all vying for a position. Teach them all. Teach them the right way for them to reach their full potential. Treat them all equally. Tough? true. But you are a leader for a reason. You have a responsibility to your team. Please lead them well.

     

    i remember watching BB docus before, i don't remember GD always screaming/shouting to his members in most of the practices. I remember Gd being compassionate. Boosting their self esteem, their confidence when some members are feeling down/exhausted/frustrated. Gd has more of a father/brother/friend approach when communicating to his members. He don't scream/shout or walks out. He talks it out with them. He emphatize with them. And moreso keep on saying, we are a team. We can do this. 

     

    Sometimes, it makes me wonder what if Bobby would have been chosen as a leader? Just watching the show, i can see him more open to suggestions, open to discussions, sharing of ideas, welcoming to new people, encouraging people to contribute something whatever it may be etc etc. and it's a plus that he does not seem scary. he is a fun cool guy. 

     

    It's a dance practice...typically there is a lot of yelling involved. Reminds me of WIN when he was correcting A and B in different ways and Taehyun was like, "You can yell at us too."  Also GD yelled a lot...still does. In dance...that's just how it is. Considering that Hanbin is reconstituting a group two months in a row I would be angry but he is instead focused on improving them up to his standard.  

     

    Hanbin is only scary when his voice gets calm and intense and he directly addresses the issues, such as them ignoring his direction to practice, and explains WHY it's a problem. He has directly taught the new member what needs to be done regarding stage direction and dance.  Also during the rehearsal when Hongseok began encountering difficulties with his voice Hanbin immediately told him how to improve.  I think he's doing an admirable job as a Leader and once they have progressed further, i.e. pass this survival show, he will loosen the reins if you will.  

     

    Bobby would be a disaster because all of his performances center on him and he drowns out his team mates.  

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