Davidholic8

I was never rude, I always treat you politely. You're welcome to tell me how I was offensive or had any attitude at all before. I never brought that up, I genuinely asked you where you learned that was all. You got offended because I called you out by asking you a simple question to which your answer wouldn't be "I've had years of learning in University" so because of your own complex of inferiority for assuming you not saying you studying it in University woulda made a difference to me, so you felt attacked by your own insecurity instead of simply answering my question. Now just FYI, nobody in this thread but ME has majored in music and that does not change the fact that a good bunch of us have quite an extensive amount of knowledge, so all you coulda done was answer the question instead of assuming I was expecting a specific type of answer and hence feeling like I was trying to attack you. (This now wasn't me trying to be condescending nor offensive, I'm simply trying to explain to you and perhaps to myself why your reaction was a misunderstanding and assumption on your part that lead you to believe I was trying to attack you personally by asking you a question. I asked you once, you didn't answer, I asked again and then you attacked me with your attitude. You're more than welcome to show me EXACTLY where I was CLEARLY giving you attitude. I understand some things can come both ways, but I want something that was as bluntly rude as your reply.) Btw, I did look up on the search but guess what? I couldn't find anything because wtf am I even supposed to search for?! Like what keywords idek. So I would have hoped you could've just answered the question. 

 

I never, again, said that Beyonce was heading for a decline, you just brought up Barbra and said she was better and I was just saying Beyonce is just as good as Barbra, who are both excellent vocalists so when I said diminish Beyonce I meant make her less of what she is in comparison to Barbra, so instead of Beyonce being not as good as Barbra they're just as good as one another, that's what I was saying. Ik you've been attacked a lot on this thread but usually, I don't attack you so I understand you can feel defensive but try and remember who you're talking to instead of assuming everybody is trying to be offensive to you when they ask you questions. Everything that annoyed you that I said, I never even said either hun. So calm yourself and don't give me attitude when I don't give you attitude, I'm not out to get you okay so next time please show me the respect I try and show everyone. 

It wasn't insecurity; rather, the question had already been answered before, so you asking it again just seemed like you were looking for something to nitpick about, and I wasn't going entertain that. If that's not what you were doing, fine, but it just came across that way. 

I didn't try to make Beyonce less than what she is. She's great, but she's not Barbra Streisand. Even this thread has ranked her lower than Barbra--more than once. And again, I didn't intentionally give you attitude first. I also know that I've been attacked here a lot, but that has nothing to do with this "debate," and I didn't go on the defensive because of it. I simply thought you had gotten offensive with me about things I had never said, and that's what made me annoyed. If you didn't mean anything offensively, I apologize.

1. Rude. 2. Never said you said that. 3. Never said that either? I said diminishing, not decline. 4. I'm putting words in your mouth? I'm sorry wtf? 5. If you say so. 6. Im sorry but wtf is your problem like I never said anything, I was genuinely asking a question. Am I not always polite to you, then wtf is up with your rude ass attitude you're giving me right now sir? You're the one starting up the goddamn argument so why is that you basically overlook other people's arguments regardless of what you say, if your argument  = "Hey Imma just state a point and pretend I'm opened for an argument and just ignore everybody because ik for a fact that Im right and you're all wrong but I'll let you all think you can be right by replying to me while I basically disregard everything anyone else says even though theyre right as well". Yknow if that's how you're gonna be, don't bother replying to me right now at all. I'm sorry, done with bs. Thanks bye.

 

It sounded supported but coulda been fuller IMO

You were rude first. Or at least it came off that way to me. You didn't seem polite at all. And how was I starting an argument by merely stating a fact that sometimes Beyonce goes a little weird after she growls? Did I say it made her a worse vocalist? No. Did I say anything that ever called into question her vocal abilities so much that you had to come and defend her? No. You were rude because of your elitist attitude (such as bringing up the fact that I don't study music at university but rather independently). If you didn't mean it to be rude, I'm sorry, but it came off that way really strongly to me, especially because you didn't need to bring it up, and especially because I never even stated something that was up for debate. And I didn't ignore anything you said, by the way. I took it all into consideration; but you were acting like I said Beyonce was headed for some great vocal decline because she sometimes growls, and I never even implied that. Basically, everything that annoyed you by what I "said," I never even said.

The live one wasn't bad but I can't really tell lol I didnt pay enough attention k LOL But she can support C#5 also considering Christina is not a Soprano... I think? So how can you compare a mezzo to a soprano on the same notes. Christina does get the benefit of the doubt for being able to have supported C#5 being a mezzo and being inconsistent above G#4/A4 with a voice that sits lower than a girl who's a Soprano who shows lack of consistency above B4/C5, it's a considerable distance as well so yknow Christina in the past at least isn't bad, now current Christina idk lol honestly havent seen her

 

I haven't seen many performances of Jordin so I can't speak but of course you have to understand we are all humans and we all get tired, overworked and mess up. It's natural for any singer so sometimes our instruments won't be ready for the ride. No Jordin is not the same as Beyonce at all, but Idk why you think anybody ever said she was.

 

I don't know what Halo video you're talking about but okay and well I'm saying like I said, everyone gets tired and overworked and has to do multiple tours and dance routines but then can sing their asses off when they're in their normal/good condition. Now if it's a stylistic choice, as damaging as you may think it might be, you are wrong to say that THAT alone is gonna take away how excellent of a vocalist she is. If she does it COMPLETELY on purpose and time after time shows that she can CHOOSE when to do it and can do it without that stylistic choice, then that shows even more control and ability as a vocalist and does not diminish her regardless of how damaging it might be, she knows it and she does it on purpose. Mariah's falsetto, she can do head voice if she wants but chooses falsetto for effect, she shows the control and ability to choose, so IMHO it does not diminish a vocalist compared to someone like Barbra just because Barbra plays it safe and chooses to only choose technically good and healthy singing approaches without dirtying it up here and then. That's her choice so.

 

You did not answer my question about when or where or how you learned anything about singing..

Everything you've said is a mixture of common sense and what I've already said. I didn't say it made Beyonce a bad vocalist in the long run, just that it sometimes detracts from her vocals after she does it, and that it's not always very healthy. I don't know where you're getting this idea that I said Beyonce was working herself into decline. It's almost like you're putting words in my mouth and getting annoyed at me for it. And Babs ain't better because she plays it safe; she's better because her technique and dynamics are better. lol

And that question was answered months ago. You can use the search feature. I'm not entertaining condescending ideas here, especially when you're fueling the fire with things I never even said. 

As long as it doesn't lead to vocal decline...

And speaking of the great Barbra, did anyone watch her performance  on Jimmy Fallon? Is it just me or did she not sound like her usual amazing self? Not that she did bad, she sounded fine but I wasn't blown away like I usually am.

Yeah, I guess so. 

Well, how old is she now? 71 or 72? lol She's great for her age.

Idek either tbh because Im not familiar enough but if she's completely consistent up until G5 with mix and resonance then I dont see why she wouldnt be on par with Ock Joo Hyun in case her other registers are good

 

 

Pls time so it's easier to see exactly what u mean. (did u ever tell us where u learned anything about singing btw? I dont believe u have... >_<) Beyonce growls, that's not singing from the throat. That's a stylistic choice and a technique in a way, if done correctly, it can't damage your voice if you do it right AND Beyonce is not like yknow Hyorin's falsetto or Baek Yerin's lower register, it's not like "they're doing it on purpose" well they might be but they are doing it on purpose without showing that they can do it correctly often enough. Like 1. Beyonce's performances u posted are kinda old, 2. Beyonce's growls are stylistic because she can sing the notes she sings with growls, without them with proper support and placement, so that shows that she does it when she wants to, not that it's the only way she knows how to sing such notes.

 

Thanks for the answer. I've seen some really pitchy and strained performances from Jordin, though. Of course there are also some good ones, but I don't know if you could say she's consistent. In any case, I'd say she's not even on Beyonce's level, let alone in the same category of the ranking system.

Sorry, I can't give times because I blocked Onehallyu (wasting too much time) on my personal computer, and I'm using the library one now. I know Beyonce's growls are stylistic, and I wasn't saying her growls were from the throat. I meant that I think after she growls a lot, she sometimes comes from the throat to hit notes; not all the time, not often, but sometimes, and it's an annoying stylistic choice anyway (if done too much). Lol, and the Beyonce video of Halo people dote on in this forum all the time is also old, but it's cited as an example of how amazing she is. Not saying it's not amazing, but don't rag me for posting old videos when other people do it as well. Anyways, I appreciate the response, and I in no way meant to demean Beyonce or her technique.

Sorry to bring this back up way late, but I can't use onehallyu on my laptop, so. 

She's an amazing singer, really like her voice.

 

Does any one know if there's a full korean version of this song (without the JK rapping)  ?:

 

 

This is the only version of the song. ^^ I would also like to hear a version without the rap, though. 

Beyonce's on the amazing tier not great, Mariah's use of breathy was damaging and she had an undeveloped head voice yet she's still amazing tier

Personally, I'd say they'd both be great tier or so. When I think of amazing, I think of Babs, and neither of them come close to her level of technical mastery.

I think that it is Beyonce's choice to use this technique. I can't tell her to stop using this technique or whatsoever so.....Anyway, if you think beyonce shouldn't use stylistic techniques too often, then how about Christina Aguilera? She strains a lot and I think she uses stylistic techniques too often....

I know it's her choice; I just don't agree with it. It's bad for the voice, no matter who does it. Christina's technique is so bad, anyway. I'm not saying Beyonce is bad at like everything like Christina; they're not even the same level vocally. I just think Beyonce relies too much on her growling, especially on bigger notes sometimes, and from what I've seen, it can make her vibrato worse or reduce her column of sound on bigger notes. 

I never really heard her growling even though I listened quite a lot....Are you really sure? I think Beyonce has good vocal skills or not she would have damaged her beautiful voice after years of singing, but then again, I may be wrong.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFhc1RJiX8s

She goes throaty here, and her vibrato is off at times.

Same here. I've heard she was sick here, and it was a while ago, but still, it's not much different from more recent performances.

I'm not saying Beyonce is a bad singer or that she's going throaty because of a lack of technique. Rather, I think her stylistic throatiness at times throws off her voice and she should really consider reducing the amount she chooses to use that stylistic technique.

wait a minute, Beyonce does not sound throaty to me. I feel that she does not sing from the throat because she sounds strong and fully supported when she sings. If a person sings from the throat, he or she will sound weak and sound strained? I may be wrong though so once again,please take it with a pinch of salt.

Beyonce growls and sings from the throat A LOT, although, I guess it's stylistic. But it can't be healthy.

No you are right, Im pretty sure Beyonce is better.

I agree with this, but Beyonce sings from her throat a lot, at least from what I hear.

It could be stylistic, but there's no way it's healthy.

I think Beyonce is better?( I am not sure about that so please take it with a grain of salt.)

Thanks! 

Well, who do you consider to be better: Jordin Sparks or Beyonce? I honestly don't see how Jordin is on great level, myself. Isn't that reserved for people who aren't Babs level but are still really good like Sohyang and Ock Ju-hyeon? Not saying I put much stock in the ranking system used in this site, but if I did, I wouldn't put her any better than "good." 

Who else could pull off messa di voce in pop contemporary other than Beyonce?

Lee Sun-hee's done it a few times. I'm not sure who else, but it wouldn't surprise me if Babs could do it. Her dynamics are out of this world. 

i just had a question with vibrato!

 

i was listening to myself singing and i found my vibrato kinda airy compared to my normal notes. any tips? thanks!

If it's airy, then it's probably a lack of breath support. Make sure your posture is good, your breathing is correct (not only are you having nice breaths, but you're maintaining good breath flow through your vocal cords); also make sure you aren't singing from your throat (a common cause of bad vibrato). Also notice if your tongue/jaw moves, as it's a sign of tension. Hope it helps, and good luck!

She's sounds like a soprano to me

Thanks! 

She's sounds like a soprano to me

Thanks! 

thanks and is there any particular food or drink you have to avoid so it doesn't break your vocal cord?

I know you're supposed to avoid chocolate. lol 

im leaning towards tenor but i still cant tell

 

uh. im sorry so fyi im not good at telling girls voice types, so ill leave it to someone else. just answering so u dont think im ignoring u lol

I really appreciate it.  

What would you say ì´ì„ í¬'s voice type is? Even the Korean websites I stumbled across have trouble identifying her, and say it's hard to classify. Surely someone can, though. lol 

okok lol

 

wow It looks like you just ranked a whole lot of veteran singers in a paragraph lol

 

but I can't read korean, so is that even a ranking of vocals in the first place? Like what description did they put there? Just curious =3

 

edit: silly me obviously it's vocals...but I'd still like to know the description. Thanks!

Well, it is a ranking of technique, because it says it on the list. lol Not everything is accurate by those standards, but they did get the important stuff correct. In the Top Vocal category, it says "Korea's 0.01 physical + 0.01 technique + rarity of vocal skills + being the best vocalist in the genre you're in" It just continues like this and goes down in quality as you go from the top of the list to the bottom. But technique is definitely a factor in his/her categorization, even if s/he might be off at times. 

Guys it's been established here that Ailee is the best vocalist in kpop if we compare all the indicators in vocal pedagogy like supported note, resonance, musicianship and etc. however, if we disregard all the aspects like intonation, musicianship etc and ocus on true resonance only. Who would be the best in kpop? Would it still be Ailee or Kyuhyun or are there any vocalists who actually produce resonance more often Please exclude Sohyang since you know....she just slays with resonance..

She's not an idol, but Lee Sun Hee is literally resonant like every time she opens her mouth. 

I just can't with these stupid people like. I don't know how many times I have to tell you something in order for you to understand it. And, like, this is the second time this has happened. I mean, GOLLY. 

She was Judy Garland's protégée, so I am sure she received formal lessons.  

Thanks. 

Speaking of training, do you believe Babs never received formal lessons like some claim?

 

Is it the same in chinese or is the terminology different?

 

I'm not sure. ã… ã…  I only know Chinese characters in relation to Korean, so I can't say for sure what nuances they carry in modern Chinese, but I'm sure the meanings of the characters are the same.