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This was the most important friend Tao made. Wang Lee Hom is basically everything LOL.

I ship LuYuyu (Luhan + Mayuyu) Mayuyu totally fits his ideal type. She's pale as snow is white, she's got long hair (IDEK if that's a requirement) and she's super quiet and basically the virginal goddess Luhan is dreaming about but is to PC to say he wants. Hopefully when they go to Japan, they can meet up. Just don't let either parties fans find out...

The only thing I can think of is that she had a non surgical eye-lift to enhance the visibility of her eyelids. This is the type of result you will often get with that type of procedure: More defined eyelids, but of course, it only works if you already have eyelids to lift. I think she actually had it done because her elementary school pics have her with eyelids. Not that prominent, but they are definitely there. In general, I liked this Goo Hara most, cute and pretty at the same time. You can see the change in jaw shape here: It's just I'm not a huge fan of the whole "v-line face" and I thought her round face really fit her features. But her nose doesn't look like this anymore, the nostrils are more visible now, no matter what angle she poses. I just want her to stop messing with it. Let it settle and be satisfied. I do think her jaw is filler/botox though because the shape is inconsistent. Also I think she poses, shades well in terms of makeup. In her non professional photos or non-instagram pics, her face is more round. Not as round as earlier, but rounder than in these pics she post.

I'm a Mayuyu oshi, yes...yes I am. OK I'm so biased but I think Mayuyu is really pretty but really weird looking at the same time LOl. this is her from like age 12 right? and now she looks like this: I'm not entirely sure what she got done and when. But I know for a fact that she shaves her eyebrows and draws them on which helped a LOT, her natural eyebrow shape isn't good. Her nose...I'm not sure about it. She could have grown into it, same with her lips, but it's like everything just turned out so well for her that it makes me wonder. Her nose seems to have gotten progressively smaller without changing shape?? Here is another angle: this nose definitely looks bigger/wider than the nose she has now, but it's hard to say anything concrete because ALL of her features where really, creepily exaggerated at this age (eyes, nose, lips) . I think she might have goten her eyes, but it's hard to say when she got them done. Seems like she always had double eyelid, but it's seems to be more pronounced now. Also, her face does this round/slim thing sometimes. Similar to Seohyun but with less frequency so it's hard to say. The bump on her nose is still here in this pic: But I don't know when this was. So yeah, I'm really unsure about Mayuyu. What do you think?

I wonder why hyoyeon never got veneers? I think she's been trying to fix her mouth region for a while because she doesn't like how it looks. I think veneers would've helped her. Like Goo Hara definitely got veneers/her mouth fixed which improved her looks a lot. I wish she'd stop messing with her nose though. Her lupin nose was perfect, now, its kinda looking "operated on"

HAHA but that's is ultimate boy-band hair right there. Plus, the center part w/ the blondish hair is always reserved for the visual . HAHA...omg I do NOT miss the 90's. I think Luhan is just experimental with his hairstyle. He showed a....good variety of styles from before he debuted. But if he thinks he can bring the middle part back, he's sadly mistaken. Stop trying to make middle parts happen Luhan! It's not gonna happen!! I don't think anyone else has rocked a middle part? Maybe Xiumin or Sehun? I don't recall.

Yoona looks like she changed the least, but she actually had a bit done. She just had the best surgeon of the lot or SM shelled out the most money. Also, it's not like she was ugly or anything. She was always pretty, but she definitely got a boost from having her features refined. IDK how you guys ignore Taeyeon. Girl looked like a lizard/rat combo and then she was gorgeous and now she looks like like a gecko or something. Her eyes are always so open, it's freaky. And her mouth just looks weird/tight and she definitely fixed her nose. She looked best from in gee to hoot. Even with the veneers, she didn't have one of those hollywood, teeth too big smiles. like this was flawless: This, not so much: She keeps messing with her nose because it doesn't photograph that well since it's so short. But honestly, she looked great before. I don't like how plastic she looks now. Her nose/mouth area just looks weird and her eyes always look like she can't blink. As for Yuri, she looked best during Genie and RDR naturally. But she really has nothing on her face that can/should be fixed. No, she isn't perfect looking, but I think any changes will be very obvious and throw off her facial harmony. The only thing that throws her looks off is when she gains or gets too skinny. She looks best at the genie/RDR weight. Also her hair colors tend to wash her out. She has an obvious tan so she needs to stay away from light hair colors. Black hair suits her best. Some people think she got eyelid surgery but I would say that's all she did. IMO, Tiffany looks best when she's simple. Heavy makeup and stuff doesn't suit her. I think she's been pretty since ITNW days but she definitely had some slight tweaks before then. Since TTS though, she looks terrible. So has Taeyeon and I always thought Seohyun looked botoxed and fat-grafted to high heavens. Even when her face moves, its so....weird looking. Jessica's skin is really shiny and plastic looking, I've no idea what it is. She looks younger and fuller/smaller faced as time goes on. When they first debuted she looked more old and longer faced/square jawed.

Hi everyone! wanted to reserve my place in that Tao thread. After Luhan, Tao is my second bias, then Lay and Xiumin are tied. Everyone else is tied after that also. Though I do find all of Kris' lame moments highly endearing.

I think he looks great but I don't like how severely they photoshopped his jawline. I mean, kpop stars pay tens-of-thousands for jawlines like his, so I don't get why they made it so overly sharp and pointy. I think that's the only think throwing a few people like myself off. It's making it seem like his face is extra small and he doesn't need that because his face is already small AND he has a long neck.

I think she had a small mandible reduction, fat grafting or silicone implant for her forehead and rhinoplasty. Thats why her jaw profile is kinda weird. It was, IMO shaved at a weird angle and that makes it pretty obvious she did something to her jaw it's literally right along the mandible which is why her side profile is so long and sharp and at an intense angle. Same with Kris from EXO. Also, her temples/ forehead area in her predebut pics are really shallow/gaunt and sunken in probably as a result of her being so skinny; she doesn't have a high body fat percentage and it shows in her face. The forehead implant/ facial fat grafting gives her the round/projected forehead that Koreans love. It also gives her face a younger, fuller look. Now, her face doesn't look as long/tired as it did predebut. The facial contouring gave her a smaller, more "ideal" shaped face. And the added volume gave her youth and freshness. compared to now: Here you can see she has a more smooth forehead line, where the temples are not so prominent. She's really skinny and so she doesn't have lots of facial fats and the forehead implants are often not that wide to cover the temples which explains why she often uses hairstyles that cover that area. Her face overall is also shorter. This gives her, the famous "small face" Koreans love. You can also see the results of her rhinoplasty. comparing predebut and recent pics. Before, at an angle, her nose was still undefined and bulbous. Now, it's defined and slim. I think she had two nose jobs, one before debut and one before Gee, her nose was slightly, more bulbous or "wide" at the bridge unless it was simply still de-swelling from the primary rhinoplasty. I think thats the area they "tweaked" after debut. as you can see, this nose isn't as defined as the previous picture but it's not as bulbous as her original nose. It looks swollen here but you can see the projected shape is entirely similar to the shape of her nose now. She didn't do too much concerning tip-plasty but she did enough. I think the rest is due to good contouring. The thing with Yoona is that because she doesn't look so outstanding different from her predebut pictures, it's easy to be convinced by the SM hype machine that says it's just "puberty/weight-loss; she was always perfect looking." She didn't do too much though and she did it conservatively. Her conservative/plain beauty reflects that. She didn't try to look like an ulzzang. She just went for a few nips/tucks that would have a greater positive impact on her overall appearance. You gotta hand it to the "potential" spotter at SM. Yoona turned about wonderful considering I think Jessica had the best base to start with in all of SNSD. So yes, Yoona had surgery during HS. She graduated in 2009 I think and SNSD debuted in 2007. So I'm guessing the first 2 years before that is when these changed occurred. If you look at/ compare lots of her predubt pics, you can see the slow change over time.

They chalk it up to "weight-loss" because they know stans will defend that claim to the death. Like everyone knows Yoona's high school picture was taken after she had most of her surgeries, but SM continues to shell that out as "proof" of her natural perfection. I mean, she's definitely hot stuff, but come on. Not all of us are delusional and stupid. Now, as to why they do surgery even after debut, well it is probably not all up to the company. Maybe an artist feels insecure compared to other members in the group, or maybe the company isn't making much $$$ off of the artist because the looks still aren't up to snuff. Also, you know some people do have that tail end change during puberty where suddenly the thing that made them cute and attractive when they were 17/18 is not so cute anymore. Then you have to take into consideration that you have to let the new faces settle before you change everything. Even if you want a new nose to go with your v-line + zygoma surgery, you can't tell exactly how the nose should be in relation to the face until all the swelling from the first procedure is done.

It's not even an issue that because he was raised in Asia he thinks pale skin looks good. Lets be honest in that even culture where people are born with dark skin (such as indian and black people) the preference is for fairer skin. Lots of blacks/indians praise light skin/features too. It's not an asian thing. I think the problem is, darker skin people have to face the reality of their insecurities when people openly prefer lighter skin tone and of course any group is going to get offended when they feel you have directly slighted them. But you're right, he didn't explicitly say dark skin is bad, just implied that he prefers fair skin, but honestly speaking, don't most men of most races?

Some people think he got his eyes done and maybe tip-plasty. I'm not sure because I've never looked into EXO. I know lots of them have really bad skin w/o makeup though. Seems to be a problem for most idols.

Most of the time they inject fat into the forehead to achieve that look. It's called fat-grafting. You wouldn't have to shave the brown bone to achieve that look. Just inject fat into the area. I think that's what most do. Shaving the bone is too much IMO. Not worth it.

I don't think Chansung had any work done. He has really strong, prominent features, definitely to unrefined to be the work of a surgeon. When people go into clinics, no one request the type of features that Chansung has. Not saying he has bad features, but no one will request a nose like that, for a male, probably a nose like won bin is something you would ask for. Or Hong Jong Hyun, because he as a great nasal profile.

This is very obvious actually. If the bottom one is a natural eyelid, that's definitely weird, but the top one looks obviously natural. What makes the bottom one obvious is the incision mark that goes from crease to the corner of the eye. it's to deep and too pronounced. Doesn't look natural at all. But most idols wear lots of eye-makeup so you probably wouldn't be able to notice something like that unless you got very close on a makeup-free day.