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And I'm not American..? And also not surprised considering the US (why are they the reference for everything though?)... I think Hong Kong's democracy and freedom index is precisely the very thing protesters are trying to keep and protext tbh. This is not Hong Kong's index that is an issue here. It's China's. Hong Kong's index is (was..?) what it is because of its protected status, because it didn't abide by Chinese laws. And don't think I'm writing that thinking my country is better or anything. Police violence and surveillance keep increasing in my country as well. The context is different, but it is also very worrying. And I'm very critical of it too.

The video belongs to the South China Morning Post, which I'm sure, is very neutral on the question... I don't know, I personally find democracy slightly more important than subway stations, and the police is shooting teenagers with actual firearms, so I'd say the balance of violence isn't exactly what the video implies.

Maybe they just don't have the right words to express it now, which makes it sound really tacky? I don't know who this person is tbh, but sometimes when people start questioning their gender, they don't use the right terms. Could be internalized transphobia (and homophobia/sexism) also. If this is a joke, then it's a very bad one and she should be held accountable for it.

1) She has acknowledged the fact that some companies tried to use her image without her consent. She also consistently draws attention to the scientific reports, telling people to listen to the science rather than her. 2) Her mum quit her international opera career to become a musical actress, so she is not exactly unemployed. Her dad is with her in America. 3) Greta, and the 14 other children (learn about them too!) who sued the 5 countries couldn't exactly sue the US and China because, guess what? They are suing according to the convention on the rights of the child... which the US and China never ratified. 4) Greta's interest in climate change is not exactly something that can be stopped. She is far more "obsessed" with it than her parents will ever be. That's called a "special interest", which is a subject an autistic person will focus on until they know all about it (in this case at least), even more than some specialists sometimes. 5) Calling her "Gretard" (see comments above) makes you ableist and not a good person really. "Retard" is an ableist slur. She is autistic (diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome but the DSM doesn't discriminate between both appelations anymore), that's all.

OT (but still lgbt* related)

The same thing that it will take to be sure that Jongin is with anyone who is male. Let me explain: Jongin (EXO's Kai) is touchy with all his friends. Understandably, people ship him with Taemin, Kyungsoo, Sehun... The fact that he has suspiscious moment with all these people (and more I guess, I don't follow him enough to know everything) makes it hard to say "these two are together" (Krystal and Jennie do not help either LMAO). For BTS, it's similar I think. You can find suspiscious, convincing moments between almost all configurations of the group, and especially Jimin/Jungkook, Jimin/Taehyung and Taehyung/Jungkook. Therefore we can either start talking about polyamory, or we just don't assume.

And then you have Tony and Jaeduck.

It just makes me so sad, and so, so angry. Also, just thinking that his plan was never telling his parents. I know it's like that for many people out there, but I just feel like crying when I read stories like this one. Living in secret in the army (where you are forced to go), and in your family as well? This is hearbreaking. Edit: this is not even off topic actually... Since they all have to go (except the few foreign members and the very few who don't pass the medical exam). This is possibly an issue for all non-straight male idols.

Alright, so it WAS my phone glitching (or Onehallyu, who knows?). I had both tabs opened with the exact same content. Weird. My bad. And my apologies. (also YES for these two!!!)

Edit: Nope, it was my phone apparently. (Or OH, or my sleep deprived brain). Sorry!!

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It gives me Beautiful Liar vibes (Leo and Ravi, from Vixx). Like it's very gay. Very very beautiful. But it can all be explained with the two sides of a personality, life and death, yin and yang...etc, so it's still "safe" in case people start to question it too much. The Beautiful Liar MV in spoiler because everyone should watch it every once in a while: Thank you for posting it!!! It's really beautiful. They have so much control over their bodies, there is so much grace in their dance. I love it.

Hi everyone, this is kind of OT (but not really). As some of you may know, today is Jonghyun's birthday. He has been mentionned on this thread quite a lot throughout the years, both as a strong supporter of LGBT* rights and as someone we thought may be part the community. There is this organisation which helps LGBT* teenagers in South Korea. People have been donating since December 2017 to commemorate Jonghyun (some did with other charities as well). They have acknowledged the donations from Jonghyun's fans last year, so it has really helped them. If you want to participate, and if you can of course, here is the link: https://www.globalgiving.org/projects/rainbow-teen-safe-space/#menu And here is an article dating back from 2013 about him posting on twitter about a poster written by a discriminated bisexual and trans* student: https://www.soompi.com/article/560803wpp/shinees-jonghyun-changes-twitter-profile-image-in-support-of-transgender-student Take care everyone

SM almost debuted a group called Four Seasons composed of Jaejoong, Yunho, Heechul and Kangin... I don't know about Kangin, but statistically, this group shouldn't even have existed if we follow this logic.

Oops, already posted, my bad!

And Key missed that...

Yes, obviously. Seems legit. 1) Seungri doesn't have gay rumours as far as I know..? 2) Providing female sex workers to your male clients says absolutely nothing about your sexual orientation. 3) How would it even be worth it? Now please, can you not?

Oh it's alright, Han Geng left SM a long time ago too, more or less at the same time as JYJ (and seeing Jaejoong and Han Geng hanging out recently was pretty amusing to me). The thing is, lots of people thought Heechul was more emotionally invested than one would be with a friend. Some people thought it was reciprocated. Others didn't. He was depressed (like... clinically depressed imo) for months after Han Geng left. But then again, Heechul is a very loyal friend, so it could just be that as well. A few years ago, Han Geng was actually one of the main arguments in saying that Heechul wasn't straight. And it makes me really happy that Han Geng accepted to act in that movie. He's very successful in China, clearly doesn't need this movie to succeed, and it could even be an issue for his carreer considering China's stance on anything not straight. But he still did it.

Oh I was waiting for it to be released for ages, and forgot. It makes me really happy, I thought it would never be released (it was made in 2014). And it's not "not idol related" btw: one of the two guys is, wait for it: Han Geng/Hankyung (ex Super Junior), who is also kind of relevant here, if only because of Heechul. Anyway, thanks for the information!!

You know, I think it's because of Taemin and his homosexual agenda. You become friends with someone like him and then BAM all your band members are gay. Tragic.

Jaejoong being in love obsessed with Hyde for the nth time: Click here to view the Tweet (Full pictures under the spoiler) That's a lot of money dedication. I wonder if Hyde has seen Jaejoong's twitter cover picture since they now follow each other.The picture being Hyde's (naked) back, with the tattoos that inspired Jaejoong's back tattoos as well. I almost feel the second hand embarrassment. Almost.

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I'm not trying to imply anything, I didn't even give my opinion on Suga, just posted a (relevant, imo) quote from an article..? I wasn't talking to you in particular btw, but adding to the conversation as a whole (I didn't quote you or anyone else precisely because I didn't want to go against someone, or interrupt your conversation). If we're talking about what I think, then I do believe that someone who goes "no-homo" and not just "I'm not gay but I'm an ally" wouldn't be that adamant in the Billboard interview. For me (and it seems you don't share this perception, which is fine), "no-homo" usually has some kind of negative connotations. Being "no-homo", imo, doesn't have to mean you're homophobic, but it means you want to avoid the subject, and the mere possibility of being associated with "gayness" altogether. The reasons can vary, maybe you (and that's a generic "you" obviously) are homophobic, maybe you are not but it's a subject that is too sensitive for you to talk about, maybe you're gay/bi/pan and want to avoid the question. Lots of possibilities. But none of them quite matches with his answer in the article where he, contrary to RM who is usually known to be outspoken on this kind of subject, is very adamant to defend gay (bi/pan) rights. I'm pretty sure the way he navigates the subject has changed quite a lot throughout the years too, which is why I quoted a "recent-ish" article. I also do believe that Suga isn't a big fan of fan service, as seen in that video where he pretends to cough to avoid the paper kissing game (or whatever this nonsense is called). And tbh, it wouldn't be that surprising for someone who isn't straight, and who is quite aware of socio-political issues (as he has shown several times), to get annoyed by this make-pretend that stops as soon as it becomes too real. This is not me asserting that he isn't straight, because I can't know for sure. Just that it would make sense (again, imo).

Recent-ish Suga in that Billboard article (I do believe RM was just being cautious there, considering all the things he's said about the issue) Source

The one who outed him may very well be out already. Also, it's very different if he's not a celebrity. But I get your point when you say it's "interesting". Although Taiwan seems far more accepting than South Korea when it comes to LGBT rights. I just hope he'll be alright... And no, it's actually a BTS reference