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Tao's T-shirt though...

http://instagram.com/p/obInLAhPau/ And here is Siwon...

It would be fun ! I don't think I would want to watch that, though... They cause me too much second hand embarrassment with their 15'' instagram videos already. D.O. seems to enjoy it quite a lot xD A heterosexual dating scandal is something that doesn't last. You can break up with a girl friend. A gay scandal is something permanent. You don't break up with your homosexuality.

Today during TVXQ concert in Tokyo Dome: source: http://worldbigeastcassiopeia.com/2014/05/25/twitter-compilation-140524-tohoshinki-livetour-2014-tree-in-tokyo-dome-day-4/ It probably doesn't mean much on "Yunjae" side, but I found it cute. And since you were waiting for something new... at least it's something, right?

Haha, This IS inappropriate, but since when are Heechul and Gunhee appropriate?

The caption, with google translate, gives "How to eat delicious candies"... That's interesting xD I agree with that. I don't know if his kisses are not convincing because drama kisses are rarely convincing, or if it's just him. But for me, it doesn't seem very natural. He looks like he doesn't know what to do with his hands. And when he talked about how much he wanted a girlfriend, wasn't it for his dad or something? He said various times that his parents wanted him to have a girlfriend, to have kids (even if he didn't bring the girl home, haha... his parents are convinced either). I can imagine the pressure for him. It must be difficult to know that you won't be able to fulfill your parents wishes (being the only boy, too). I can imagine him being bisexual (maybe), but I really don't think he's straight. He looks way too much into guys for that in my opinion.

Thank you for your answers! It confuses me when people on tumblr or OH say that someone is -insert name-sexual. It doesn't really make sense to me. Heechul was not the only one who cried though, but since he doesn't cry often, and with all the "Hanchul" stuff, people remembered him more. It seemed to be very difficult for him to go on after that too. I really believe he had feelings for Hangeng, I just wonder if they were reciprocated or not. Heechul sang several songs that were pretty telling after that. As for Tao, I don't know Exo very well, but I can say he had at least a lot of admiration for Kris. I don't know if he saw him as a big brother who helped him since their pre-debut days, or if it was something more. Anyway, I would feel betrayed too, "crush" or not. And Tao is not someone very subtle, or someone who hides his feelings well, so I'm not really surprised. I believe Sehun is gay too. They could be friends who understand and support each other (being the youngest of their group, and probably gay) or something more. I don't know if SM would let them go this far if they were together...

So basically, if you take DB5K and Shinee, you have Jaejoong, Yunho and Key on one side, Onew and Changmin on the other, and the rest is somewhere in the middle?? I read the argument about "there can't be that many LGBT people in one group" several times here... and then I thought about Four Seasons (not Vivaldi, but the pre-debut group in SM). Imagine if Yunho, Heechul, Jaejoong and Kangin had been in the same group... I don't know about Kangin, but the other ones sure increase the LGBT percentage! It is just an example I had been thinking about for a while, though, nothing that can be applied to other groups . Oh, and I have a question too. If Sungjong was not there, would you still consider Myungsoo as gay/bi? Or do you see it only in their interactions? He is quiet most of the time so I guess it would be more difficult to tell, but I'm curious about him.

I am glad that you understand the "too good to be true" thing, with all the doubts and questions related to it. No wonder they have so many "fans"! I don't really get the "let's show them photoshopped pictures during their concerts", though... I know they are public figures and all, but that is too much. I will try to come here from time to time then At least to find people to convince me! Off topic: Even more off-topic:

You're right, I probably think too much about it. It's just "too good to be true" in fact. It looks beautiful and sweet, and it's like a novel, or a movie (with all the drama before and after too). And, to be honest, I really don't want to be one of those fans who always put their idols together. It scares me in a way. I'm not an "idol-fan" usually. I like artists, music, not really the image (and that's the reason why I like DBSK/TVXQ/JYJ. Because their music is enough) It's also strange to "like" a relationship in which I am not involved. And I still think they were pretty careless if they were a couple. Yunho, not so much, but Jaejoong looked like he was enjoying the "danger" sometimes (he didn't look that panicked to me by the way). Maybe they knew they just had to say they were straight to clean their image from time to time... Actually, that's another reason why I doubt. It was "too obvious to be true" haha. But they were young, always controlled, always working, so maybe it was their only way to get a little bit of freedom. And then, there is the subject-that-must-not-be-named. Why didn't they stay together during the lawsuit? I don't want an answer, I know it's pure speculation anyway. But it's something that has been bothering me for a while. To sum up, I think I believe in it, but with a big grain of salt. And I need someone to convince me from time to time. Oh, and yes I'm French (and now I feel ridiculous because I have to write in English to a French person xD). I like Vanessa Paradis too (but I like her ex-husband better), and I really like this song

Thank you for your answer I've seen quite a few videos, and this is the reason why I am confused. I know they had a lot of moments off-camera, but at the same time, they knew people were watching them all the time. They had (and still have, unfortunately) many sasaengs, they saw people with cameras during the rehearsals... etc. I'm probably too involved in this for my own good... haha. It's not even the "shipper" side of it. I have read fanfictions (about real and fictional characters, kpop or not, straight or not), I can tell the difference between fiction and reality... It's for fun, and it stays very superficial. With Yunjae, I'm not sure. I would like to believe it, but at the same time, I can't. I think people (including myself) tend to see the "fairytail" side in a lot of things, and let's be honest, this story could belong to a novel! I think the video you want to show me is the one where Junsu tries to warn Jaejoong that they're being filmed while him and Yunho are holding hands under the table? If this is the one, I have seen it and... yeah, I don't know... I can't believe two public figures, watched all the time by many people, can be so careless... So I sometimes thought SM used this as a way to gain more fans. But that supposed they would be convincing actors, even at this time (hard to believe, too). As you can see, my mind goes from "yes" to "no" to "maybe" to "maybe not" to "but what if". In the end, this is not my business, but I'm curious haha Oh, and just in case, are you French? or francophone? I thought you could be with your name and signature (I love this song!).

Yes, he did, several times. He cried in Seoul at the beginning of his tour He cried in Nagoya And in Osaka It could be for various reasons, he seemed really emotional at this time. He cried during a photoshoot too (Esquire) and during Keshou (Make up) before in Yokohama He could be worried about his military service, his family(ies), other things we don't know about... I think he said Paradise was for his fans before. But that doesn't explains Keshou. Maybe he was just tired. I thought Paradise was another Wasurenaide when I read the translation for the first time (thus something about his birth mother) so I really can't help with song meanings, I see what I want to see, I guess. Oh, and hello everyone, I'm kind of new here. I'm not really a shipper in general, I have no precise opinion about Yunjae, although I believe both of them are gay (but that's another point). I think it's possible that they had something before, they were really close. But still, I don't know, sometimes I think that shippers could find the same evidences with other "couples" if they wanted to... One day I think they were "real", and the day after I just remember that it's a fake world and that everything is staged, and we are only fans, outside of their world. But their stares... Well, I don't know. I am almost sure of one thing though, it's that they are not together at the moment. I can't imagine Jaejoong being that sad, looking that depressed and singing these songs if he was in a happy relationship. I hope I wasn't to long... and sorry for the mistakes! Edit: Struggling with the videos and spoilers...

I feel really bad for Siwon. I don't know for sure if he's gay or not. I think it's possible, but I can't be absolutely certain (I'm not really good at these things, knowing what is fanservice and what isn't...). What saddens me is that, even if he's straight (and that wouldn't be my first guess), he has several friends (or a least coworkers) who are not. I believe we agree about Heechul, several people wonder about Ryeowook (I only see him as very cute, I can't make an opinion about him), Sungmin, Donghae, Zhoumi... and I still wonder about Hangeng by the way. And that's only in Super Junior. Siwon lives in a world where he will find more gay people than in the rest of the population (singers, dancers... etc) and more people out of the closet, at least in the industry too. It must have been really hard for him to make his own opinion about it. I can't imagine how conflicting it must be for someone so invested in his religion, so brainwashed by his father, to come to terms with homosexuality. Of course, it could be a big joke for him. Maybe he just plays with fanservice. Maybe it's just the same as the truth or dare games I played in middle school when a girl sometimes had to kiss another girl on the lips. Maybe he wants to piss off his dad. But I can't believe he is doing that to make fun of homosexuality with Heechul in the same group. I don't know much about Korean culture, and I know the codes or not the same as in western countries. But it still amazes me how they can get away with all the things they do. I mean, Heechul kissed Siwon (and several other members). He really kissed him, and it's not something they do that much. Now I really love J-rock, so it could be something like that, but come on... how can an homophobic person accept to be kissed like that in front of thousands of people, by a gay man??? Then again, what do I know? I'm European, atheist, and straight... Clearly not the best person to understand all of it. Sorry for the long post.

Seeing that Jaejoong has more chemistry with the male characters (or even actors) than with the female characters... I don't think he looks particularly straight when he is in a drama. He does look manlier in Triangle, but that's it. His kisses are not even convincing (well Kdrama kisses are rarely convincing anyway)... Siwan (who has been talked about here, I believe?) and Jaejoong will fight for the girl... it will be interesting to watch, with HSC in the background. But then again, I have seen girls jealous of Puff Guo on tumblr. Yeah... because that hairstylist friend is just there to make sure Heechul's hair is perfect...

I have watched the first episode, I'll watch the second today. I like it so far, but I hope it won't be just Jaejoong half naked for all the drama. Not that I don't like it, but I want the drama to focus on the characters and not on "how to attract fangirls". I like the fact all three of them seem damaged, it will be interesting to see. And I'm glad to see HSC, isn't it the first role he has had since his coming out? Yes, Jaejoong seems like a good friend. He still sees Heechul too. I remember the episode where they talked about it. I am not really a shipper, I always feel bad knowing they are real people with real feelings, but Jaejoong and Yunho were suspicious. I am not sure where to draw the line between reality and fanservice, though. Same with other "couples". They seem real... but since it's their job to look real to attract fangirls/fanboys... I don't know. I'm confused.

Hello, I have been lurking for a while... A few months in fact. I don't think I can contribute much, I don't follow many kpop groups, but I'll try to take part in the conversation. I don't think I have that much of a "gaydar" (you taught me that word tbh, and I don't think it even exists in my language haha). I never really wondered who was gay and who wasn't before kpop. I mean, I have friends who are but it wasn't a surprise nor something I was expecting. It just was. I mostly follow DBSK/TVXQ/JYJ so I would say Jaejoong, and Yunho probably. Not Changmin. I don't know about Junsu and Yoochun... I see Yoochun more with a girl though. Apart from that. Heechul, of course, but it's not a secret. Oh, and I see people talking about "Hanchul" all the time, and Heechul was clearly very sad (but he could have been sad to lose a friend too) but nobody talks about Hangeng, so, what do you think about him? I saw you talked about other Super Junior members but I don't know them enough to have a real opinion on them. In Infinite, I'm not sure either. Sungjong seems like a good option. Myungsoo is not easy to tell. And about Hoya, I think he would not have taken the risk to play a gay boy in Reply 1997 if he was really gay. But that's only speculation. Sunggyu and Woohyun are open-minded at least (being friends with Heechul/Jaejoong and Key) Then Key, Jo Kwon... but that's easy. I'm watching WGM global at the moment. I find it really funny. Not for the couples, even if they are cute (I mean, WGM can't do everything wrong), but for what happens behind the scenes. Heechul is a genius xD And Key is pretty convincing in fact, I was surprised (not like a certain someone cough-Jaejoong-cough who can't kiss a female actress and make it look at least a little bit convincing) I'm done, sorry for the long post. Oh, and if it wasn't posted already, here is the straightest photo of the month (not that it proves anything, I just find it cute). https://twitter.com/Tonyhong1004 I'm a straight girl, at least, I think so. And English isn't my first language, so I hope I didn't say anything bad. Please correct me otherwise.