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Does PHS even know english? I've never seen him use english phrases before unless it was the name of a fashion brand (dominic's way, beyond closet, etc.). And on twitter at least, I've only seen him respond to tweets in korean. So, I find that converstaion hard to believe. "I is not gay, like a woman is a friend Im. Not english" ?? LOL. I don't know, but the messages sound like something a kid made up...because the whole conversation is too silly. Why is PHS sending some random international fan a screencap of an english tweet so they can help him (translate it?)? lol. I don't think he replies to FB messages from strangers anyway (especially ones that message him in english)...

That's something I've always wondered too. Why people feel like it's more acceptable to gossip about many personal things (and even scandalous/career damaging things) regarding an idol, yet gossip about their sexual orientation feels off limits. I wouldn't mind it if someone hated all gossip period, but I find it difficult to understand why some people will single out gossip about LGBTQIA relationships/sexuality, while being fine with gossip about heterosexual relationships/sexuality. ....So I can't really offer any explanation for that either. I just stumbled onto this tumblr post, which reminded me of your post: Also, JGS posted this on his LINE account:

So he tweeted PHS to invite both PHS and Kibum together for dinner, like he's inviting a couple over? LOL.

I think korean journalists know more than we do, lol. Anyway, most things in this thread is stuff that is publicly available. We're only discussing things that they've already shared with us. And the analysis is how we keep the discussions alive and interesting. Because these types of threads always start with people simply stating, "I think 'so and so' is gay because of 'something simple'". But then people may disagree or want clarification, which leads people to expand and begin writing essays. For instance, my Key essay might look like I straight away went into a full blown analysis (because I reposted it early on the 2nd page, lol) ...but there was actually a long discussion before that, which simply began with "I think Key is gay" (and apparantly, that wasn't very satisfying for some people). (Plus, I've been gradually adding on to it for a few months now, so it's really just a collection of observations and smaller essays made as a response to people, but just gathered together in one place).

I vote jokwon, lol. But who's the other guy in the pic? This is the translated tweet: [trans] Seok-cheonie hyung came today!!!!! >_< Thank you!! ShiHyun dongsaeng too!! Thank you :-) I looked up shihyun, and just found a female golfer, lol.

Jokwon with HCS JO KWON â€@2AMkwon 1h ì˜¤ëŠ˜ì€ ì„천ì´í˜•ì´ 와주셨어요!!!!! >_< ê°ì‚¬í•©ë‹ˆë‹¤ !! ë™ìƒ ì‹œí˜„ë„ !! ê³ ë§ˆì›Œ :-) http://twitpic.com/ctu5al

In a place called Itaewon in S.Korea, there's a hill. If you walk up that hill (homo hill), it will lead you to where the majority of LGBT bars/clubs/shops/etc. are located. It's where all the Korean LGBT people and tourists gather and is known as the gay district of Itaewon. The restuarant Key went to (mama miya) is located in Itaewon, and is either near or in homo hill (I just know it was 2 blocks away from some of the gay clubs that are actually in homo hill). Hmm...interesting. I felt it was an odd choice of fashion too, considering PHS was more dressed up. He could be in disguise. It looked like something burglars would wear to hide themselves when breaking into homes. it's ok. I'm from the US, but I'm asian. I have some chinese blood in me too (but very small, lol). And some thai too...maybe that's how I am familar with gay stuff, lol.

Glad to know people are still reading that essay and like it. I occasionally make updates to it with recent stuff, so it feels like my efforts are not being wasted. And yeah, I figured the rumors wouldn't be good evidence for convincing anything...but they were too interesting to not include, lol So I just stuck them at the end with a disclaimer. lol, wut? I think I've mentioned being a girl a few times on the other forum...but you might have missed that. You're not the first to think that though, lol. And people also think I'm white for some reason. But I am asian girl . (and you are asian girl too, right? because that's what I've been assuming...)

Oh, hey you're here! Of couse I remember you. I heard it could be a month until that forum is fixed and officially launced out of its current beta testing version. Right now, it's too slow and un-usable for me to do anything, even too slow to just be lurking there. I think that's just what the song is about. When you are young and how those teenaged years were filled with carelessness.."Running around like a clown (being silly/childish) on purpose" and not giving a damn. Then when you grow up, you begin "losing [your] mind" because of the expectations that society places on you. You are left "wondering why [you] had to let the world ...bleed [you] dry" (why let society influence who you truly are, and what once gave you life). Because those teenage years "are golden" since it's the period where you felt most free to express yourself with no restrictions. I was just watching the MV for the song and it reminded me of key's toy collection he has in his room, lol. I can see why he was drawn to this song:

Key's been missing Jjong while he was gone. It's hard going on as a group and not seeing someone who's always been together with you since debut. So I could understand the closeness and affection they have for eachother now that Jjong's reunited with the group again.

The second link is like yahoo answers. The OP asked if key is gay, and lots of people in denial claiming he's not. ...but you know what, it looks like the OP was asking key ("SHINee Key is gay?? ...Do not blame the fans, Please tell us") ...and I think key saw that post and answered. Facts: Key has used naver search engine to search for people's name before On WGM, Taemin helped us infer that he has searched for his own name online (so key probably does too) Key mentioned that he reads internet comments about him before One of the top related searches on naver for key is 키 ê²Œì´ ("Key gay"). My theory: Key searched for his name on naver (the 1st link you posted). One of the top related searches that stands out is 키 ê²Œì´ ("Key gay"). So he clicked on that, which leads you to the other link you gave about the OP asking key to tell us if he's gay (this is the 1st result shown on naver for "key gay"). So key knows people think he's gay, yet he doesn't try to hide it. Sometimes, he even makes it more apparant ...as if he's trying to answer the OP's question (kinda like: "Fuck yes, I'm gay. don't listen to those who say I'm not, they don't know me. and they need to stop telling people what I am, because I AM gay"). Well, that's my theory. And if true, you amaze me with your confidence key (actually, you still amaze me regardless)

I had the same reaction when I first saw the show's title.

I found the interview (but no subs): http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTYwNjUyNzE2.html It's from [tvN] ë°±ì§€ì—°ì˜ í”¼í”Œì¸ì‚¬ì´ë“œ ('Baek Ji Yeon's People Inside'). E349.130522.

Oh yeah, I agree. From my browsing, I'm just seeing the articles talk about the director wanting SHINee to sing at their wedding, but nothing about them declining. Only about being curious as to why. And if they already outright declined, I don't think the director would add that he hopes they "consider" doing it. ...but I don't think SMEnt will allow them to anyway. (and I'm still wondering wtf is that "gay list" thing that was mentioned in the main forums about this, lol)

I think it's real. If you search for SHINee on naver, it takes you to all these links about the gay director: Apparantly, he said it on some tvN broadcast Here's another brief translation I found: "Gay director Kim Gwangsu who is bound to get married to his boyfriend revealed that SHINee Minho was once his ideal type. He said that he would like to invite SHINee to sing at their wedding. When this matter was raised upon SHINee, the boys questioned, 'Why SHINee?' The director replied that he personally likes SHINee a lot, so he hopes that SHINee would consider about singing at his wedding." If anyone knows Korean, here's a link to many articles about it: http://news.search.naver.com/search.naver?sm=tab_hty.top&where=news&ie=utf8&query=%EC%83%A4%EC%9D%B4%EB%8B%88+%EA%B9%80%EC%A1%B0%EA%B4%91%EC%88%98&x=0&y=0 (Bascially, I just searched for "SHINee", and in the recent news section, it's ALL links about the gay director )

//this 15 image limit per post is killing me ...and Jae's fanboys really love him too much:

There hasn't been much Jaejoong in this thread either, so I'll leave these here... Fanboy getting ready to meet Jae: Jae gives fanboy a hug and becomes shy afterwards Jae really loves his fanboys: ...

wtf...49 guests right now. I don't think I've ever seen this many guest lurking in this thread on 1H before...especially considering it's dead right now.

^^^ That myungjong gif always makes me smile . Too cute. I think they're still importing threads over. But it looks really ugly there right now, and it's super slow for me. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Thanks for all the love everyone. Oh, I remember that too. I'm gonna go edit that into my post now, lol. Yeah, I was hesitant about including that comment when I initially made it (I was just too distracted imagining PHS calling Key's voice sexy ). But I agree with you, alot of male friends say that to each other. Since I'm adding the thing that Sabine found, I'll go ahead and edit that too.

Mar. 4 Key sings for PHS over the phone late at night and PHS calls Key "honey": Mar. 18 PHS mentioned Key in an interview that Key is a childhood friend: Mar. 25 PHS tweets a photo of him and Key at SFW (this is the first time Key is photographed by the media/press with PHS): Mar. 26 Key attends the 2nd day of SFW to support PHS (and both of them upload a photo from it): Mar. 27 PHS uses a KeySeop photo at SFW for his twitter icon: Mar. 31 A rumor was published about a model/singer falling in love overseas: April 1-7 Within a week after the rumor was published, PHS deleted 2000+ tweets, including all the ones mentioning Key and selcas with Key My Input: April 12 - April 23 Speculations about a rumor from Dispatch releasing a gay idol story (possibly a gay couple scandal) was prominent *no KeySeop interactions all of April... My Input: ....but things are happening in the background... Apr 16 Key and PHS were at Mama Miya restaurant together, and PHS started to follow Key on instagram: Apr. 14 & Apr. 22 Key and PHS are spotted having similar (same?) jacket and accessory: May 13 9:37am (Korean time) News about the gay director announcing marriage with his gay lover was published on Korean sites. May 13 1:07pm (Korean time) Key uploads the same photo of him with PHS that Miya uploaded a month ago, and PHS liked it: May 16 PHS uploads a photo with Comme des (Key's dog) on his instagram: My Input: May 23 The Etude guy invites PHS and Key to dinner: https://twitter.com/sc1676/status/337789581317517312 My Input: May 28 PHS uploads a photo of him and Key May 31 PHS was in Daegu June 6 Key was spotted in Daegu June 12 Photos released of Key and PHS shopping June 14 Hyeongseop posts a new photo of Key and him shopping For future updates to the KeySeop timeline, visit this thread: http://onehallyu.com/index.php?/topic/7622-the-keyseop-thread-3/page-2&do=findComment&comment=442894

KeySeop timeline Note: I'm not trying to prove Keyseop with this timeline, I'm just trying to be objective and present the raw facts and dates of when things occurred between Key and PHS. People can come to their own conclusion of the story between them. But if you would like my interpretation of the events, they're in blue text. Everything else presented is raw accounts of what happened and when it occurred. And it's also not complete, but what I was able to find. 2012 Oct. 22 Jonghyun and Key attend Dominic's Way show at Seoul Fashion Week (PHS was a model at this show): Nov - Dec No public interactions. My Input: 2013 Jan. 9 PHS 1st tweet about Key. A silly text message between them about their ears: Jan. 10 They met up for coffee together in the free time after their work schedules: Jan. 12 Key texts PHS to eat a late night meal with him: Jan. 14-16 Key (with SHINee) attended the Golden Disk Award on Jan. 15 located in Malaysia. PHS also traveled to Malaysia with Key: Jan. 23 PHS and Key hang out with friends: Jan. 25 PHS tweets about Key even when Key is not physically there: Jan. 30 PHS tweeted an old photo from the same coffee meeting with Key as the one he tweeted on Jan. 10: Feb. 8 Key's good friend, Woohyun, followed PHS on twitter Feb. 9 PHS attends Woohyun's Birthday with Key: Feb. 18 PHS tweet in support of Dream Girl: @sc1676: Oh yea!! Like it and listen to it!RTㄱ pic.twitter.com/pW9mVbRI Feb. 19 PHS called one part of the singing in Dream Girl "super sexy" : Feb. 20 PHS attended SHINee concert and goes backstage to take photos with the other SHINee members (I think this is the first time we see PHS photographed with them): Feb. 24 PHS posting another photo from the SHINee show: Feb. 25 PHS posting another photo from the SHINee show again: Feb. 27 PHS tweeting in support for SHINee: @sc1676: Today's Show Champion! Really like it that they got #1! I should dance~ Feb. 27 PHS tweets photos and him and Key out together Mar. 3 PHS was in Key's room:

Well, I'm not really using that rumor as evidence for KeySeop. I just included it in my post (in the unconfirmed rumor section) because, like you said, I see alot of people speculate that it's about KeySeop. Plus I just had to add that detail I found about them both being overseas at the GDA (which matched to the rumor). It was also suspicious how alot of PHS tweets were deleted within a week of the rumor. I guess, an alternative explanation could be that, even if that rumor was not about them, alot of people did think it was and probably tweeted PHS about it. So PHS may have deleted his tweets during that same time because of it. But anyway, those posts I made weren't really trying to show that KeySeop is real, just that Key is gay. I have another post about KeySeop with a timeline of their relationship (damn, do I sound like a delusional shipper to already have this on hand? lol, but whatever). I will post it here soon.

A backstage account from a dancer at the Dream concert (It's long, so I'm just copying the relevant part here): "The flip side is a surprising amount of fanservice-y things happening when basically there was no one to be fanservice-y for. I guess there were staff and things, but I’d chalk it up more to just a normal amount of the ever-tactile Korean mode of social interactions that seemed surprising in this context. BTOB backhug-cuddling against the snack bar counter would deeeeefinitely be super gay in the states, and on a stage I’d say they were coached into doing fanservice, but we were in a no-camera zone no fans could reach or see and they were like that for a good while (idk if any BTOB fans will see this, but yo: cuddly band). Same jive with woohyun and key holding hands through their entire morning conversations, minho pulling onew’s hood over his head and giving him the super-crushing bear hug treatment (you know, the kind where you sway side to side while your victim tries to nuzzle his way out), Sistar napping draped all over each other, etc etc etc. Knowing that everything we normally see is performative makes me totally cynical about virtually all idol interactions - I mean, I still think a LOT of that stuff is coached/fake/for fancameras, but there’s also real spontaneous affection. A lot of bandmates genuinely get along really well. How heartwarming~ ~ That said, the end stage was quite weird, because everyone was very chummy when backstage there was almost no inter-band interaction. People travelled in pairs or packs, but only with their same band (and/or handlers, coordis, backup dancers, etc). The exception is Shinee, who seemed to have run of the place and buddies everywhere (***Key)." http://momekeko.tumblr.com/post/50619290081/some-pictures-from-my-weekend-dancing-for-the

I looked it up on the map and it's only 2 blocks away from all the gay bars in Homo Hill. (and the girl between Key and PHS in that photo is just the owner of the restaurant they went to)