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I don't know if it's because of that rumor, but I have seen comments on Korean forums from K-netizens speculating PHS and Key to be dating. I posted them in the old H8 thread before it got shut down. I'll try to find those comments again. But even in S.Korea, there are people who think Key and PHS are dating.

I can't see the picture. I think you used the wrong link, but I saw the source while quoting you and I think this is the image you were going to post: Key also looks downward to stare at PHS's crotch here: From 0:09 - 0:18 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObqnW-8y-iA BTW, here's visual instructions for how to insert images from photobucket:

The keyseop tag on both twitter and tumblr are such a mess.This thread is really getting around... I'm glad to see some people are enjoying the stuff we post here (feel free to join us!), but then there are also those who's response frustrates me. I saw that asianfanfic thing too... //Warning: A rant under the spoilers A gif of hyeongseop licking his lips, and one of key licking his lips after seeing hyeonseop on the runway:

I wrote a shorter version of my essay that's only about KeySeop, which you could fit into the OP: ================================================================= Park Hyeong Seop is a Korean model. According to Hyeongseop, Key and him have known eachother since childhood because they're both from Daegu. It's unclear the nature of Hyeongseop's relationship to Key growing up, and whether or not they kept in contact during Key's pre-debut trainee days. From what we know, they made their first public appearance together (but separate) during Oct. 2012 Seoul Fashion Week. During this event, Key attended a Dominic's Way show that PHS was modeling for on the runway. Judging from Key's indifferent reaction towards PHS on the runway and the lack of resulting KeySeop materials from this event, their relationship here appears to initially be a casual one. Key and Hyeongseop were both spotted backstage at SFW Dominc's Way show, however no photo has surfaced of them together (or anything to indicate their closeness). However, they may have reconnected with eachother backstage at this event, and quickly got closer from there. Because since this event, PHS has mentioned meeting up with Key to chat during their free time... meeting for coffee, chatting late night over the phone, and even traveling overseas together to attend the 2013 Golden Disk Awards in Malaysia. Their relationship (which may have started off as casual childhood friends catching up with one another) has escalated quickly, as can be seen in the numerous selcas they've uploaded which showcase the close bond they've developed. Key and Hyeongseop meeting for coffee, and Hyeongseop backstage with Key at a SHINee concert. A visible change in their relationship came during Seoul Fashion Week on Mar. 2013. Compared to the SFW from Oct. 2012 (where Key was not paying significant attention to PHS on the runway), Key is seen brighter and happier here, smiling and crushing like a teenage boy when PHS walks past him on the runway. : : They are definitely closer to eachother than the months prior, and Key is clearly infatuated by Hyeongseop's presence. Even if they only knew each other as childhood friends at first, their relationship quickly developed into something more after months of reconnecting with each other. This is also the first time Key publicly acknowledged his relationship to PHS. Key and Hyeongseop first public appearance together in front of the media and press. In the week that followed, a rumor popped up (nothing confirmed), but many speculations and assumptions were made about it. Even if the rumors were not specifically about KeySeop, there were many parallels that could cause someone to alert them and make them more cautious. PHS deleted all his tweets mentioning Key this same week. There are many theories as to why, but we may never know what exactly happened that caused KeySeop to go into hiding for a month. Even though Key and PHS stopped being public about their relationship for a month, they were still close as indicated by photos uploaded by other people (such as photos uploaded by the owner of an Itaewon restuarant that KeySeop went to). About a month later, Key uploads a photo from this same event to his instagram. It's unknown why Key suddenly uploaded it after a month, and why the sudden shift to be public about KeySeop again. Whatever the reason, KeySeop is gradually beginning to go public again. Key and Hyeongseop dining again with friends at an Itaewon restaurant; Key and Hyeongseop during their shopping trip. Since Hyeongseop is a model and Key is interested in fashion and shopping, they do share a special and refreshing relationship. Coincidentily, Hyeongseop even fits what Key has mentioned as his Ideal Type (tall, slim, dignified, posh, etc.). But whether they are merely close friends or more is honestly only something they know (and if they are more than friends, it's something they probably won't share publicly anyway). Regardless of the true nature of their relationship, Key does seem happier and glowing ever since Hyeongseop's appearance into his life early 2013...and Key's happiness is what ultimately matters. So let's enjoy all these KeySeop moments! Key and Hyeongseop during their shopping trip. ========================================================================

^^ That's cute. I think PHS frequently browses FB and twitter for Key related stuff. This happened a while ago, but Hyeongseop followed a Key biased Shawol on twitter. She has this as her twitter icon: And on her tumblr, she calls herself "Key's Wife". I wonder how/why PHS starting following her because I don't think she tweeted PHS before. But he may have followed her by accident...which would mean PHS was searching for Key related stuff on twitter to stumble onto her profile in the first place.

I've had some suspicion about the dogs too, but we've only seen Garcons twice to really tell anything. The first time was on May 9 at shinee's dorm, when nothing really happened publicly between KeySeop for a month. ...but then KeySeop suddenly returned a week later, and the first photo PHS posts was with Comme des at shinee's dorm. The 2nd time we see Garcons was when Key was driving somewhere ...and then 2 days later Key was spotted in Daegu where PHS was also at. So, yeah, whenever we've seen Garcons so far, PHS quickly makes an appearance with Key as well. It could both be a coincidence. Also, before either dogs made an appearance, PHS tweeted this pic...which looks like he's in a pet store (since there's all those photos of dogs on the wall): I'm not sure what to think yet. It's a "couple" dog. So I'll wait to see when the next appearance of Garcons is. BTW, did someone seriously click on a thread titled "KeySeop thread" just to neg the posts in here? Even my KeySeop timeline got negged, and that's simply just a list of things that actually happened...so it's not like there's anything to disagree with in those posts. (unless you just disagree with KeySeop, which is fine...but then why click on a thead with this title if you're against this ship).

Welcome! Hope to see you post here too. And the AKP thread didn't completely get deleted.You can still view it here. It's just dead and a complete mess right now (both visually and functionally). Most of the posters on there (temporarily?) moved to another forum on KPS though: http://kpopselca.com/forum/korean-celebrity/k-pop-who-is-straight-homosexual-bisexual-etc-t796/page645.html

Key also wore that shirt earlier when he was with PHS at mama miya (March 28) And regarding their recent shopping trips, I wonder if Key bought that shirt for PHS. He mentioned it as something he'd do if he had a g/f: Q. All of the members have different interests and likes. Everyone’s ideal types seem to differ as well. If you had a girlfriend, what would you do? Onew: (claps) I want to play the piano and sing for her. Jonghyun: I want to exchange photos, and then she would always carry around my photo. I usually don’t really take pictures, so she would have the only pictures of me. (laughs) Key: I want to go shopping. Q. Shopping? Key: To look at clothes…because I really like choosing and buying clothes. I can’t really play piano for her. (laughs) http://minsarang.wor...ew-with-10asia/ Q: If you have a girlfriend, what gifts will you give her? Flowers, clothes, or ring? Key: I will personally choose/buy a clothes for her http://shineeshawols...girl-interview/

Key's been seen wearing that shirt earlier as well (like during that time in mama miya w/phs and hyosup), and it's probably his style, so I wonder if Key bought the same shirt he likes for PHS on their recent shopping trips. He's previously mentioned if he had a girl(boy)friend, he'd take her(him) shopping and buy her(him) clothes. Q. All of the members have different interests and likes. Everyone’s ideal types seem to differ as well. If you had a girlfriend, what would you do? Onew: (claps) I want to play the piano and sing for her. Jonghyun: I want to exchange photos, and then she would always carry around my photo. I usually don’t really take pictures, so she would have the only pictures of me. (laughs) Key: I want to go shopping. Q. Shopping? Key: To look at clothes…because I really like choosing and buying clothes. I can’t really play piano for her. (laughs) http://minsarang.wordpress.com/2009/06/17/trans-shinees-interview-with-10asia/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Q: If you have a girlfriend, what gifts will you give her? Flowers, clothes, or ring? Key: I will personally choose/buy a clothes for her http://shineeshawols.wordpress.com/2011/02/18/key-and-taemin-qa-elle-girl-interview/ And you can add a link to my analysis in the OP. That'll make it easier for me too, since I constantly go there whenever I have stuff to add.

I think I write another shorter essay just about KeySeop soon...(which will probably just be my original essay filtered down to only the KeySeop parts). I'll work on it later, and then it'll be something that you can fit into the OP.

I finished copying it over...but I'm not sure how you'd add it to the OP since I couldn't even fit everything into a single post myself. (But the main part about KeySeop are in this post.) And I'll try to post here in the future, but I feel like I might be the only one actively posting here, lol. BTW, are you going to create a thread for JongKey too?

May 13 9:37am (Korean time) News about the gay director announcing marriage with his gay lover was published on Korean sites. May 13 1:07pm (Korean time) Key uploads the same photo of him with PHS that Miya uploaded a month ago, and PHS liked it: May 16 PHS uploads a photo with Comme des (Key's dog) on his instagram: My Input: May 23 The Etude guy invites PHS and Key to dinner: https://twitter.com/sc1676/status/337789581317517312 My Input: May 28 PHS uploads a photo of him and Key May 31 PHS was in Daegu June 6 Key was spotted in Daegu June 12 Photos released of Key and PHS shopping June 14 Hyeongseop posts a new photo of Key and him shopping June 15 PHS uploads of photo of him wearing a shirt that Key has previously worn (as well as some new shoes he got while shopping). June 16 Key and the rest of SHINee leaving for Japan as part of their schedules June 16 Hyeongseop liked a video on FB that was Key's WGM cut June 19 Hyeongseop uploads photo of him and fellow model on their way to a Music Video shoot at the sea of Japan

Mar. 4 Key sings for PHS over the phone late at night and PHS calls Key "honey": Mar. 18 PHS mentioned Key in an interview that Key is a childhood friend: Mar. 25 PHS tweets a photo of him and Key at SFW (this is the first time Key is photographed by the media/press with PHS): Mar. 26 Key attends the 2nd day of SFW to support PHS (and both of them upload a photo from it): Mar. 27 PHS uses a KeySeop photo at SFW for his twitter icon: Mar. 31 A rumor was published about a model/singer falling in love overseas: April 1-7 Within a week after the rumor was published, PHS deleted 2000+ tweets, including all the ones mentioning Key and selcas with Key My Input: April 12 - April 23 Speculations about a rumor from Dispatch releasing a gay idol story (possibly a gay couple scandal) was prominent *no KeySeop interactions all of April... My Input: ....but things are happening in the background... Apr 16 Key and PHS were at Mama Miya restaurant together, and PHS started to follow Key on instagram: Apr. 14 & Apr. 22 Key and PHS are spotted having similar (same?) jacket and accessory:

KeySeop timeline Note: I'm not trying to prove Keyseop with this timeline, I'm just trying to be objective and present the raw facts and dates of when things occurred between Key and PHS. People can come to their own conclusion of the story between them. But if you would like my interpretation of the events, they're in blue text. Everything else presented is raw accounts of what happened and when it occurred. And it's also not complete, but what I was able to find. (EDIT: Credits also go to people in this thread for providing me with additional stuff that has been added to this timeline.) 2012 Oct. 22 Jonghyun and Key attend Dominic's Way show at Seoul Fashion Week (PHS was a model at this show): Nov - Dec No public interactions. My Input: 2013 Jan. 9 PHS 1st tweet about Key. A silly text message between them about their ears: Jan. 10 They met up for coffee together in the free time after their work schedules: Jan. 12 Key texts PHS to eat a late night meal with him: Jan. 14-16 Key (with SHINee) attended the Golden Disk Award on Jan. 15 located in Malaysia. PHS also traveled to Malaysia with Key: Jan. 23 PHS and Key hang out with friends: Jan. 25 PHS tweets about Key even when Key is not physically there: Jan. 30 PHS tweeted an old photo from the same coffee meeting with Key as the one he tweeted on Jan. 10: Feb. 8 Key's good friend, Woohyun, followed PHS on twitter Feb. 9 PHS attends Woohyun's Birthday with Key: Feb. 18 PHS tweet in support of Dream Girl: @sc1676: Oh yea!! Like it and listen to it!RTㄱ pic.twitter.com/pW9mVbRI Feb. 19 PHS called one part of the singing in Dream Girl "super sexy" : Feb. 20 PHS attended SHINee concert and goes backstage to take photos with the other SHINee members (I think this is the first time we see PHS photographed with them): Feb. 24 PHS posting another photo from the SHINee show: Feb. 25 PHS posting another photo from the SHINee show again: Feb. 27 PHS tweeting in support for SHINee: @sc1676: Today's Show Champion! Really like it that they got #1! I should dance~ Feb. 27 PHS tweets photos and him and Key out together Mar. 3 PHS was in Key's room:

4. Rumors Note: This last part is unverified rumors, but I only included rumors that have a chance of being true (Meaning that nothing contradicts it, and there are other facts that back it up). It is widely speculated/accepted by K-netizens that Key is gay. He's also been rumored to have been spotted at gay bars often. These rumors and speculation have to originate from somewhere. Here are some translation I found of comments from different K-netizens in this article (from April 2012) about an underaged celebrity who frequents gay bars (http://www.instiz.net/bbs/list.php?id=pt&no=172365): "besides this item, it is well known that there are many gay idols who go to gay bars. taemin i am not sure.. but key does." "onew would not. but i know about key. he is there often in these unsafe places" (probably means underground or "secret" gay bars, which would be the majority of gay bars in korea) "residents(?) of gay bars have seen key often. my friend has stood by many times while key was there. i hear so many of these (rumors?) it is a wonder they manage to stay hidden." "shinee key. it has to be." "no, too old. key is already over 20." "but he visits these places..." The rumor being true would match these items: His (boy)friend, Park Hyeong Seop, is also friendly with Hong Seok Cheon (the face of Itaewon's gay district). And KeySeop has also been to restaurants like mama miya in Itaewon, which is located only 2 blocks away from all the gay bars in Homo Hill (the girl in the photo with KeySeop is the restaurant owner). Also, a recent dating rumor from netizenbuzz appear to match KeySeop: http://netizenbuzz.blogspot.com/2013/04/rumor-mill-dating-rumors-galore.html 9. Singer C is said to have fallen in love with model D while attending an overseas schedule together. C recently went overseas with several other male and female celebrities, but he showed the most interest in D. D reciprocated C's advances, showing interest in his gentle and caring personality. A staff member who visited C's hotel room late at night to brief him on the next day's agenda was said to have been in shock after finding D in C's room with a red face. My Speculation: So after all these hints, the next question is, why would Key risk ruining his career by being so open in a country that is not accepting? I just think it's his personality, he's said numerous times that he values an honest person and he is someone who wants to be true to himself. And you may be wondering where did Key learn to be this open and accepting of himself growing up in conservative Korea? Well, he has spent a couple of years in America and said it was a turning point in his life: But right now in Korea, he's doing everything he can to be himself, right up to the point of directly confirming to the public that he is gay: "babe i was born this way" - bumkeyk (Key's Instagram) * He borrows Lady Gaga's phrase to refer to childhood photos of him as a born entertainer, but the double meaning is quite clear â€I can’t hide who I am. I can’t say things I don’t mean, say that I like things I hate, or hate things I like. And more than anything, I can’t lie to myself.†- Key “I don't consider looks or anything I can't change to be a bad thing about myself. So rather than dwelling upon things I can't change, I'd rather develop the good things about me. So my dream isn't to become the "best", it's to be someone who I'm not ashamed to be. Not that I don't want to become the best (laugh).†- Key “Rather than saying that I’m narcissist, how about liking myself. I do not look glamorous or a model’s physique, neither do I have a good voice nor a good dancer but I still like myself?†- Key He's also no stranger to having a perceptive opinion that his company might prefer him not to bring up (but he does anyway): Key is just the type of person who will want to express himself however he wants, as long as he's being honest to himself. And for that, we love him for it. BONUS

3. Self-expression to indicate openness towards other sexualities People always bring up Key's flamboyance and the way he dresses as reasons for him being gay. Some people will say it's stereotyping, but it's really not if he's trying to express an openness towards different sexualities in the way he dresses/performs. Key wearing accessories with LGBTQ symbols: Does he know what these symbols mean? I don't know, but chances are he might know what the ring means at least, since there are video clips of him describing other accessories/rings he has and what they mean, and also video of him speaking English and describing to a fashion designer about what type of Jacket he wants her to create for him. He's very involved and interested in fashion, and seems like the type of person to want to know (esp. a distinctive ring like the transgender symbol one). It would also be quite a coincidence for him to wear this many items with implied LGBTQ symbolism without him intentionally seeking them out. Another thing are the cover songs he's drawn to. First I want to mention that (Heechul) is a parody cover of Lady Gaga for giggles. was also a parody of Ke$ha for laughs. But when Key covers Lady Gaga or Ke$ha, he does not dress up like a girl or do it for laughs. It seems like a genuine and natural cover (not a parody). (He has done a lot of girl's dances for laughs, but these covers aren't one of them. I think this is him genuinely expressing himself). Key covering Lady Gaga naturally (compare with ): So now that I've establish his covers are not parody covers (they are him naturally expressing himself)...you probably want to know Why am I bringing this up as relating to his sexuality? Well, if his Lady Gaga cover (about being free and being himself) didn't already convince you.... He has also sang a cover of Ke$ha's Tik Tok, where he sings about: @0:28 "Boys blowing up our phones, phones" @1:20 "And now, the dudes are lining up cause they hear we got swagger" @1:30 "Boys tryin' to touch my junk, junk" Another perormane of Tik Tok here (lyrics are @ same time): ...he sings it like it's so natural for him. When he sings "Boys tryin' to touch my junk, junk" in the 1st video, he gestures towards his crotch, in the 2nd video, he smacks his butt. He knows what those lyrics mean. We know he understands English, and (where "he" was suppose to refer to himself in that song). But while he's aware of an option to change the gender in the lyrics, he doesn't change anything in this song (about boys being all over him). Most recently on 130525, Key covered Mika's We are Golden. Like Lady Gaga's song 'Hair', this song is also about being free to express yourself: About Mika: And my take on his LGBTQ accessories and suggestive performances is that he is trying to acknowledge the LGBTQ community that he is a part of. Because it's mostly the LGBTQ community/supporters who will be the ones to pick up on these hints, while the rest of the general public will overlook it and move on like nothing suspicious ever happened. For example, he wore the Freddie Mercury brooch (a male gay/bi icon) while publicly being "out" in front of the media for the first time with his supposed boyfriend. It's like he was intentionally trying to hint to us (or just the LGBT community) that he's out and proud w/ his bf.

Key's response to fanservice has also changed, as if he were in a new relationship. and he's also also more uncomfortable with showing affectionate skinship to potential suitors....as if he were 'taken'. Key's an honest person, so he probably wanted to show loyalty to PHS (and if Key is gay, he probably viewed the fanservice/skinship differently than a straight male would). Awkward hugs with Key: * Note: key being uncomfortable with jjong is suppose to indicate that they do have underlying feelings for each other, that's why Key was hesitant to show it here for some reason 2013, Key pushing Woohyun off him: * An interesting reaction considering accounts of WooKey being more affectionate off cameras Compare those reaction with this scene in 2012 (same setting/situation, but before PHS came into the picture): So overall, Key's response to the fanservice is similar to how a straight person would respond to heterosexual fanservice: Guy A and Girl B do fanservice and flirt onstage. Girl B may eventually develop an attraction towards Guy A. But if Guy A suddenly started dating another Girl C, you bet the Girl B would be hurt. Then when Girl B gets into a relationship with another Guy D (or is just interested in him and wants to remain available), she would be uncomfortable with another guy (like Guy A again) trying to do fanservice with her. This is exactly how Key has reacted to all the fanservice. EDIT: Since I'm seeing this post copied and linked on other blogs....I want to mention that this analysis isn't about JongKey vs. KeySeop, so please stop arguing over which ship is more real. Only Key himself knows the truth. And the points I made here were merely personal observations I've noticed of Key showing attraction to BOTH Jjong and Hyeongseop (and thus, shows his attraction towards males) ...but whether that attraction translates to real life dating for either Jjong or Hyeonseop is something we can't know for certain (and we shouldn't seek to find out either*). However, feel free to respectfully speculate your opinions, but don't take it out of forums/blogs and into real life. * I'm talking about the people messaging hyeongseop on FB in hopes of finding "proof" that he's not dating Key (by having him say he's not gay and has a g/f...which is still dubious)

However, it was only in the beginning of 2013 that we began to hear alot about him. So I am guessing sometime near the end of 2012, Key reconnected with Park Hyeong Seop again (possibly at the 20121022 Seoul Fashion Week that they both attended). I personally think there's something more going on between this couple. PHS's looks and personality even matches everything Key has mentioned as an Ideal Type. And maybe when they reconnected, Key became attracted to how PHS grew up to match his Ideal Type. They've taken numerous selcas together, travel overseas together (gda 2013 was in malaysia), have shopping dates together, he's been in Key's room, they text eachother to eat, joke around with eachother, hang out in restaurants near homo hill (mama miya is in itaewon), other people invite them over together as a couple (hyosup invited Key to a dinner party through PHS), Key even sings to him over the phone and PHS calls Key "honey". (You can view a KeySeop timeline here, which timelines the tweets/instagram posts between them and when it occurred) Key sings for PHS over the phone and PHS calls Key "Honey". He also possibly called Key's singing "super sexy": Key also acts like he's in love when seeing PHS walk past him: : : What Key was looking at: Goto 2:45 and 7:09 for PHS walking on the runway: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTQyMDU1ODI0.html And at the end of the show (@10:55) all the models walk out, but Key only focuses his eyes on PHS. 11:07 PHS is the 3rd person in line 11:11 You see PHS come to the front and Key's head turns to follow him 11:26 Key is still looking at him even though he went back, and he ignores all the other models walking past, lol 11:31 He turns to grab a drink and goes back to what he was looking at (PHS) Front angle of Key taking a drink while looking at PHS: @ 0:35 he keeps his eyes on PHS while drinking and then tries to hide his smile @ 0:45 while putting the bottle down https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObqnW-8y-iA Key also stares at PHS's crotch and ass: 0:09 - 0:12 Keys eyes move downward 0:13 you see he was looking at the crotch area, then he quickly looks away 0:15 - 0:16 when he looks back, he glances at his ass for a few seconds and looks back up 0:20 the model before him walks past (he's wearing white) 0:22 Key licks the inside of his lips What Key was looking at this time: See more of Key's reaction to Hyeongseop on the runway on this page: http://onehallyu.com/index.php?/topic/7622-the-keyseop-thread-3/page-6

But I don't think Jonghyun saw it as anything serious like Key did* (Jjong might have felt some affection in a caring way though, but not romantic attraction). To Jjong, he was just fooling around like close friends, and doing fanservice for the fans. He probably didn't realize that Key actually had some genuine romantic feelings for him, and Key perhaps was misled into believing jjong liked him back in the same way. You can tell Key took the JongKey moments to heart, because when Jjong started dating Shin Se Kyung in Sept. 2010 (whether real or staged), Key looked very hurt during that period. Like someone truly broke his heart. In alot of fancams and interviews since Jjong/SSK started dating, you can clearly tell Key is hurt over something. (* There is a possibility that maybe Jjong experimented with Key, and that it's not all completely fanservice. But whatever the relationship was between JongKey, Key seemed to feel more serious about it because he wasn't able to move past their relationship as quickly as Jjong was able to.) Sept 2010 This GQ interview is from the end of Sept. 2010 (Jjong started seeing SSK sometime in Sept, so something was probably happening during that time). I know Key is usually an honest and blunt person, but he seemed exceptionally pissed in this interview: Oct. 2010 Oct 2010 is when it was officially confirmed in the media that jjong and ssk were dating. You can see Key looked really heartbroken and began to distance himself from jjong. He remains emotionless thoughout the whole thing, but some times to notice: @1:37 Key scoots away from Jjong @1:52 Key looks down and sad when jjong started singing @2:25, @3:25, @3:44, @4:14 Key remains emotionless and ignores when Jjong stares at him Nov. 2010 Even the cover song he chooses during that period, you can feel the emotion and sadness in which he sings it: Rihanna - Take a Bow "But you put on quite a show, really had me going But now it’s time to go, curtain’s finally closing That was quite a show, very entertaining But it’s over now" The lyrics definitely sound like something he can relate to: "It's over now" and "But you put on quite a show, really had me going" referring to the fanservice being a "show" and how it "really had [him] going" like he believed the fanservice was real. At the very end of the song (3:45), you can see how hurt he was. Dec. 2010 Key continued to look depressed in many of the fancams at the end of 2010. Here is a video from Dec. 2010: And this video summarizes what I've just wrote above about the "One-sided love" and shows different fancams during each period: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPsXzQj7s8w Starting @0:00 are clips of Key showing genuine attraction to Jjong Starting @2:10 are clips of Jjong teasing Key Starting @3:55 are clips of Jjong flirting with others too, not only Key (this shows that Jjong sees JongKey as fanservice only); but Key is looking at Jjong like he is jealous (because he sees JongKey as real) Starting @6:05 are fancams from after sept. 2010 (during the time jjong is dating SSK) Starting at @9:10 are clips of Key moving on There are also other theories on why Key was depressed during this period: So July 2011, Jjong and SSK break up and Jjong returns to Key. But Key has said in the past that he detest 'two-faced' people (Jjong was someone who played with his heart). I think Jjong realized something was upsetting Key and he tried to make things less awkward between them, but (he's made other friends already, as we will soon see): (130131 Seoul Music Awards) I do think they have patched things up between them eventually, and love each other as just friends now. : When Key realized JongKey was not real anymore (when jjong started dating SSK), Key began to move on. Key befriended alot of '91ers and got especially close with Woohyun. It was to the point that Leeteuk and even some members of SHINee/Infinite mistaken their relationship for something more: It's probably just a close friendship between them, but in that circle of people he befriended, there is also Park Hyeong Seop: According to PHS, Key and him have known each other since childhood: Park Hyoung Seop: Kibum and I were very close from childhood because he's also from Daegu. We often meet when we are both free. We just do what common men do, such as going to restaurant, talking about what happened around us and drinking coffee. 20130110 @sc1676: After finishing each of our schedules, I met with Kibum and had a cup of coffee~! @sc1676: I have another shoot~~ And Kibum has to go back to the recording studio~

2. Interactions that show serious attraction to men Before I get into the fanservice and Key's attraction to males. I just want to point out that I am having a difficult time finding any videos/gifs/pics of him being anything more of a friend towards a female. I mean, , , , but he shows no attraction to it. People might bring up the Osaka fanaccount, where Key was translated as saying "Yo, I'm straight" as evidence of his interest in girls....but there are other more detailed fanaccounts that indicate the first fanaccount was possibly misheard and incorrect: People might also bring up his Sukira KTR interview, where he talked about past love with a girl, but his statements would not make sense if he really had a girl in mind: I could believe that he wants kids (but I don't know what he means by "try his best to have kids." That makes it sound like work for him, lol). Him marrying a girl to have kids is a possibility. It could be that he's just having fun now, and in the future he plans to settle down with a girl in a traditional familiy. However, there is also a possibility that he's planning to move overseas after SHINee, and live in a country with more LGBT acceptance. Either is a possibility really, since he has both mentioned traditional values (marriage, kids, family) which were most likely influenced by his grandmother who raised him, and also the different lifestyle he encountered while studying abroad in America (which he said was a turning point in his life): "Key says the first time he went overseas in 2000 was a turning point in his life. He realized he can have a different lifestyle after seeing how is it overseas." During YIN's Volume Up radio, he even brought up the possibility of having a choice on who to marry (girl or guy). This was during the period when we started seeing PHS alot. So it makes me believe he has considered moving to a country with gay marriage now that he found someone he loves. And he could still adopt a kid. ...but that's me being hopeful. The other possibility (of him preparing himself to marry a girl in the future and to have kids in order to keep with traditional values) is also realistically there, which I haven't completely eliminated either. And again, thinking about marriage to a female and wanting kids indicates nothing about one's sexuality. Okay, now on to Key's reaction to same-sex fanservice/skinship.... A lot of Idols do fanservice, but Key's response is so suspect, like it's not just fanservice to him. To him (being a person who values honesty and detesting people who are two-faced), he probably views some of the fanservice as the person expressing genuine interest in him. His reaction is similar to how a straight person would respond when doing heterosexual fanservice. During 2009-2010, jjong did a lot of teasing with Key, and I think Key took it as genuine attraction (while jjong saw it as fanservice). If you watch JongKey moments, most of them were initiated by jjong. Key rarely initiated fanservice (maybe because he doesn't want to seem obvious), but he never backed away when jjong would start it. JongKey moments: So Key probably fell in love with all the attention and affection Jjong was showering him with (just look at how he smiles in the gifs above). But in the few times that Key does initiate fanservice, it seems more like genuine attraction on his part (which makes me believe he is not thinking of it as fanservice). Look at the 1st gif below, it totally looks like JongKey is a real couple, not fanservice:

This is copied over from the "Which male Idol do you think is gay?" thread, so it's mostly an analysis and collection of hints that makes me believe Key is gay. However, part of why I think he's gay is the people he shows attraction towards (i.e. mainly Jjong and Hyeongseop). So in the following posts, you will find some KeySeop moments in this analysis... NOTE: Since this analyis originally came from a thread about "Who do you think is gay?" it will, of course, contain my speculations on Key's sexuality. If you are uncomfortable with people discussing his sexuality and are only here for KeySeop, you can skip this analysis and go staight to the KeySeop timeline, and also to a shorter version of this essay that only focuses on KeySeop. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Okay, before I begin, the first thing you have to know about Key is that he's a very honest and blunt person. He constantly mentions how he values honesty in a person and if he was caught lying, he would admit the truth. So chances are, most of the things he says/does represents what he truly feels (unless he said it jokingly or clarifies later on that it was not truthful). Also, it's been said that "Key's personality on and off camera is quite the same." I broke up my analysis into 4 parts (Click the statements for a link to their source): (I also want to mention that I didn't intentionally leave anything out of this analysis...). 1. Statements that show non-interest in girls The 1st thing that caught my attention was how he is reluctant to answer Ideal girl/relationship questions. And when he does, his answers could always apply to any gender: These ideals aren't specific to girls. (BTW, Park Hyeong Seop matches everything Key has said about his Ideal Type -- in both appearance and personality [1] [2] ). Key's latest comment about his Dream Girl (Stuff after April 2013): There are also times when Key is asked to specifically name who his ideal girl is. I will share his answers to that question: “My ideal type is Chloe Sevigny. ... I think Chloe Sevigny is really cool so I even contemplated buying a shirt with her photograph but...it was a shirt with her nude! (seriously dissatisfied face) Then I can't wear it!†* Key gives a “dissatisfied face†when talking about his Ideal type being nude? If he was seriously attracted to her, that sure is an odd reaction. Key of SHINee picked Big Mama Lee Hyejung as his ideal type. He stated, “I like how she is confident and how she takes care of herself diligently." MC Lee Kyungkyu made everyone burst into laughter by adding, “The ways that idols avoid scandals are quite diverse." * The MC took his answer as a joke. And Big Mama Lee Hyejung is a 55 y/o chef. :P Some other names Key has mentioned for his Ideal Girl are: a member of SNSD, Kaya Scodelario, , Kim Jung Eun. However, in his other interviews, Key clarifies that he dislikes being asked the Ideal Girl question (because he seriously doesn't have one): Many people don't have ideal types, so that might not be suspicious to some people. But even for general relationship questions Key shows no interest in girls: Key is “curious†about married life though (no gender specified here): (090804 Doogeun Doogeun Live Chat) So Key was "curious" about marriage, but he has also mentioned being ( . lol. Notice how he looks at Jjong when answering that question) Key and Jjong asking to marry eachother (for fun) xD ... Most recently, and more seriously, Key even brought up something alluding to same-sex marriage:

Of course you can add it to the op. I'll go and copy it over now.

Sure I can do that.

<3 Aww, thanks for creating this thread

No, not bothered at all...I can handle opinions. Oh yeah, I know him. And I love him too.