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Welcome to the thread @hyeongstop! I was excited with you that hyeongseop followed you, especially since you have KeySeop and all over your twitter, lol. And hyeongseop calling Key "kibummie" is just too cute. <3 Also, new videos of Hyeongseop and his model friends

It's official now, with over 4500 views, we are currently the most viewed thread in the Couples/OTPs forum! Welcome to the thread! Well, it's a fairly new thread, but apparantly a popular one too. And I will leave this here. A different side of hyeongseop I hadn't seen before. I don't think this photo was posted here yet. So here's another photo of hyeongseop in the "couple shirt":

Oh, so these things really did happen at the concert. LOL. When I was reading some fan accounts on twitter, I was beginning to wonder how true they were because it all just made Jae seem soo obviously gay. But I guess he actually was. I wouldn't be surprised if Jae comes out too, but I wonder how this may effect Yunho (since YunJae is so popular), and if this is one of the factors Jae would consider if he thought about coming out. And do you remember what the context was for him kissing that drawing of a guy at the concert? I'll write a lot about Jae soon. I already have lots of gifs and videos gathered...just have to organize them. I halted things earlier when my Key essay was going around fandom and being torn apart by others (and that kinda scared me off from doing another analysis, lol), but I'm over that now, and am resuming the one I started for Jae.

Thanks for this. I was wondering if there was something else to their relationship (because it seems so off), but then I stopped watching after the 2nd or 3rd episode. I just couldn't get into any of the characters (especially the father and his supposed gay lover). But I guess there wasn't anything to really get into in the first place. To multi quote, instead of clicking on "Quote", click on "MultiQuote" for every post you want to reply to. Then when you are done, click on "Reply to # quoted post(s)" And I think "She is Wow" could stay in the OP since it does touch on the topic of homosexuality in the beginning, at least. (And Coffee Prince is also there...which is also pseudo-homosexuality). But I agree, the plot turned out to be something that sounds very stupid. Wow, I'm happy you got to attend both days of his concert and he spoke to you. I've been reading some of the fan-accounts from the concert. There's mention of him asking a 17yo boy if he wanted to eat him?? And the boy nodded his head. LOL. Did this seriously happen? And Jae realized the boy was with his mom, but Jae thought he looked older. I also feel that Jae being gay is an open secret. The thing that strikes me most is that he jokes about things being gay (or he's aware that other people think something is gay or that people consider certain behaviors inappropriate for guys)...yet he goes out and continues to do said "gay" thing. So either he's very gay and can't help himself, or he's very confident about his sexuality as a straight man and has no shame about what other people think (but he comes off as an insecure/lonely person to me, so I don't think this is the case). I was reading accounts about the "back-hugging" thing too. At the concert, they showed this picture of Jae and his manager back-hugging him: And this is an account of what the MC said to him regarding the photo: "MC said it's a bit weird for two men to hug together, but Jaejoong said it's just for the fanmeet. (Cr: 金在中点康)" I can recall many similar instances like this, where the interviewer tells Jae something like "Isn't it weird for guys to be doing this" yet always, Jae doesn't care and continues to act "gay". I love him. (Probably irrelevant, but I saw a video of him chasing girls around backstage, but he , lol). And I also remember, once Jae mentioned how kissing a guy is gay, yet he goes out and kisses guys. He even kissed a picture of a guy at the recent concert: Well....I feel like going off into an essay about Jae right now. lol. Anyways, I still remember telling someone in this thread that I was going to write an analysis for Jae (like I did with Key). I was apprehensive at first (since my Key essay inadvertently started a fanwar and I don't want anything similar happening here). But I have to write about Jae, he provides me with so much material, lol. At the very least, I'm probably going to just gather and organize everything into a single post, and try to leave my commentary at a minimum.

KeySeop is realer than I imagined. ...the fact that he has to be aware of the pairing now, yet doesn't seem to mind.

^^ He really does look like Onew and Key's lovechild. It's in Japan from a TV show called "Performance A" that was aired yesterday: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZnvJoGUxEw Yeah, it's really strange that he's wearing that shirt so much during such a short period of time. Hyeongseop also wore it at least 2 different occasions this month (and he also used a photo of him wearing that shirt as his twitter icon, but very briefly). I have a theory that Hyeongseop complimented Key on the shirt when he wore it at mama miya. Key felt flattered by it and took Hyeongseop shopping to buy him the same shirt, since he really likes it. So the shirt is special for both of them. Key wears it alot recently because it reminds him of hyeonseop's compliment.to him (which made him feel good). And it also seems special to hyeonseop since the first thing he uploaded after their shopping trip was him wearing that shirt, and he even made it his twitter icon briefly.

It was taken on May 21, 2012, and shinee was in LA for the SM Town concert on this date. http://forevershiningshinee.net/post/23591921411/stalking-onew-120521-stalking-onew-120521 And welcome to the forum.

I like how it starts off cute and then transitions into the girl from the grudge. And I once posted a photo of myself in some community...and there actually was someone who recognized me from real life. It made me paranoid to post any pics of myself ever since, lol.

^ I'm watching that part again, and am suddenly excited that Key now has someone who loves fashion/clothes as much as he does...that he can go shopping with and talk about fashion to. And welcome to the thread kilumi! I love your keyseoplove tumblr. You keep the #KeySeop tag a happy place (as it should be). Thanks for linking to us too.

It'd make this cameraman happy too...

I have no speculations on any of them since I don't know much about them either, but watch Dongwoon's dance @ 1:00 (you can check out the other member's dance solos too)

Ohh, I didn't catch that while watching the first time (it's @ 11:22 for anyone wondering). So this confirms it is Hyeongseop he was laughing at! ...because you can see PHS in the gold jacket come out from backstage, and Key puts his head down right when PHS steps out. Wow, you guys have really good eyes. Took me a while to find Key in this one too, lol. I've seen this one before. PHS comes out at 2:45 and 7:09 and at the end @ 11:07 You can see his reaction for that video here: @2:32 matches with @2:45 above @ 0:09 matches with @ 7:09 above @ 0:35 matches with @ 11:07 above (you can see Key trying to hide his smile @ 0:45 )

Yep, I just went and created gif for this, lol And since I'm on a gif-creating spree....I did some of Hyeongseop:

I'm going to add this video to my essay and timeline. And I did some research and I'm sure it was Hyeongseop he was looking at. In your video, before Key's reaction, you see a model wearing purple, then one in plaid and finally one in red (which Key is looking behind). Then it gets cut and you now see Key looking away when there is a model in brown. Here' s the video of the runway. Start at 11:27 and you see a model in purple, plaid, red....then Hyeongseop! ...and then the model in brown shows up right after (So Key wasn't even paying attention to the models on the runway before or after Hyeonseop, lol). So cute.

I saw them on the recent episode of Inkigayo and didn't pay much attention to them at that time...but now that I came across this tweet, I'm looking more into them too, lol. They are part of Big Hit Entertainment company. This is the same company that GLAM and 2AM/JoKwon is under (and K.Will was a former artist at this company). And I just looked up the other artist they have (David Oh) and found an article about him and the President of Big Hit Ent. attending a Lady Gaga concert together. So I think they are a very LGBTQ friendly company.

A tweet in March from one of the members of BTS (Rap Monster): https://twitter.com/BTS_twt/status/309196138689490944; http://bangtan-o.tumblr.com/post/44737099708/130306-twitter-bts-twt [TRANS] It’s Rap Monster. A song about homosexuality. I heard this song before but I didn’t know the lyrics, now I know them and I like the song twice as much. I recommend Macklemore & Ryan Lewis - Same Love. http://hiphople.com/subtitle/619392 Yeah, that was the post I saw (but I was using google translate at that time, lol), so it's great to see a better translation now. Thanks! I wonder what Hyeongseop thought of Key's hot pants he wore a few days ago...

The girl is a model who works with him. Here's some photos of them in the same photoshoot: (I think she's the one in the yellow dress) lol, exactly. It wouldn't be very wise of them to do so.

Thanks for sharing. Do you know if Woohyun is speculated alot? I remember seeing a post from someone who said her friend's dad works in the music industry, and there are talks of him being gay backstage. I also saw his name brought up during the Dispatch gay idol rumor. And can you roughly translate what is said in this short clip? (It's Hyeongseop recording a guy wearing hot pants . So gay.) https://vine.co/v/hBtFWnaFW5h Ah, I was confused on that leg thing too. That makes sense to me now.

I've noticed it's the anti-KeySeop people who even considered that as a possibility in the first place. The idea that key fucks every guy he's spotted with never came into my mind...yet this is what the person on AFF wrote about KeySeop shippers: Sadly, there are people who will read that and take it as what KeySeop shippers actually believe, so that's probably where the comment came from. Some claim "just because they share clothes, hang out and are in photos together doesn't mean they're fucking" ...and of course not, I don't think anyone disagrees with that statement, yet they are the ones who bring up this idea in the first place. -_- But Key is a social butterfly and has been spotted and photographed with numerous people, and no fuss was ever made about it. So it's not just a few photos and being spotted together, it's a whole timeline of events and interactions....that when put together, are pretty convincing to some people. Plus, even if Key and PHS are not dating, they still have a very close and special friendship that Key doesn't exhibit towards many of his other non-Idol friends (and since Hyeongseop is not an Idol, all their interactions can't be excused as just "fanservice"). * Anyway, I just felt the need to respond to the AFF post again because she was directly commenting about me and the posts I made. Plus, I'm still a little pissed that she plagiarized parts of my essay in her post, distorted what I was saying and ended up making a point that I don't even agree with, lol.

So PHS has a vine and he tweeted this vine video today (but he later deleted it, not sure why). I think it's Hyeongseop's voice in the clip... “@sc1676: í•«íŒ¬ì¸ https://vine.co/v/hBtFWnaFW5h †[TRANS] Hot Pants And some video spam of PHS: I like this video because you can see how he is naturally, just messing around with friends A video where we can hear PHS's talking more Hair commercials This one reminds me of

lol, I love Heechul. Welcome! That's cool, I'm interested in what knetizens think too (and I'm relieved to know that we're not completely off if koreans also have the same speculations as us, lol). Hey there! I'm seeing quite a few people I remember from AKP joining in here recently. Hope you stay here and contribute too.

There was a dating scandal released by Dispatch, but it wasn't really scandalous and it definately didn't live up to the hype that they've built. It's possible that this story was merely their backup story (because SM foiled their actual "gay idol" story). Quite a few netizens seem to think this because Dispatch is known for releasing alot of major scandals, but this one was pretty weak considering how they've hyped it up. And I did hear about the Yuri lesbian rumor that got deleted on SportsSeoul. I wouldn't be surprised if it was SM that contacted SS for the article to be deleted. Apparantly, they've done it before on AKP for the "Who's gay in kpop?" thread... management contacted johnny to have that thread deleted because of some gay rumors that they didn't want floating around. I think this was during the same time as the Yuri lesbian rumor (and there were probably lots of discussions about that rumor in the thread). So companies are aware of gay rumors about their Idols and actively work to shut it down...and I guess WGM plays a part in this.

Wut....and this thread was only created 3 days ago. This is seriously the 2nd most viewed shipping thread on here (and the most viewed one has been around since May 3). Who are all you lurkers? (Please join us ) Here's the netizenbuzz article: http://netizenbuzz.blogspot.com/2013/04/dispatch-announces-new-exclusive.html They didn't mention anything about a gay Idol, just that they have "A new exclusive unlike any other to be released." And on the photo collage, you can see two male figures on each side. So many netizens with an imagination thought it was a gay couple that was going to be released (since it's "unlike any other"). You can see some people speculating about it here: http://www.instiz.net/bbs/list.php?id=pt&no=1147078 (ê²Œì´ is "gay" and ë™ì„±ì• is "homosexuality", and you can find those 2 words mentioned a lot in the comment section) And if you searched for "Dispatch Gay Idol" during April, you would find "Key" in the top related searches. I guess so many people were talking about this gay Idol rumor that Dispatch officially addressed it here: https://twitter.com/dispatchsns/status/324045911615483904 (clarifying that they have no gay idol story) I don't know why Taemin was cast for WGM, but it does seem like many people who do WGM have gay rumors surrounding them.

Actually, I just realized something while trying to find the comments. There was another rumor that happened soon after the "'model/singer falling in love overseas" rumor (and K-netizens definately speculated it to be about Key). It's the Dispatch Gay Idol rumor, where people thought Dispatch was going to reveal a gay couple. And I'm certain K-netizens speculated Key, because "Dispatch Gay Idol Key" was the top related search when searching about that rumor on naver. I remember browsing and seeing speculations, one specific comment mentioned that the Dispatch gay idol scandal was going to involve a love triangle between Key, Hyeongseop and Woohyun. So even in S.Korea, they've entertained the idea that Key and PHS could be dating. Also, the Dispatch gay idol(or gay couple revealed) rumor happened in April (the period where KeySeop was silent). So there was more than one rumor during this period that could have caused Key and PHS to hide from the public. I should probably add this rumor to the KeySeop timeline also.