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Oh yes! How could I forget that. lol. This is reminding me of Key singing those covers from Lady Gaga/Kesha/Mika. And the song from the male singer Jae covered was "Ken Hirai - hitomi wo tojite" (a love song written by a gay man singing to his lover). ....can you be more obvious jae? lol. He seems to choose songs that he can really relate to and get into as well. So the fact that he chooses to cover mostly female singers or a gay male singer singing about their love to males is interesting. And I personally think Woohyun is gay. Key even said he found "another me" in woohyun. And also that interview where he said he had no interest in woman. I remember someone was asking for it in this thread (don't remember who), but here's the interview where woohyun said he had no interest in women: Haruhana vol 18 (130522) - Twitter Q&AQ: Please tell me your favourite girl type (lastest version) Sunggyu: I like cutie, sexy girl. It's good to be charming but still somehow sexy Woohyun: Recently, I'm not interested in woman. L: I don't change my type at all, I like girl who have long, straight or long, wavy hair. Sungyeol: A girl who doesn't need to be pretty but charming. I hope that person will make me happy everyday. I like the girl that can impress me by her action/words. Dongwoo: Any girl is okay! Sungjong: Funny, pleasant, well-mannered people. This is the original scan (in the "Twitter Q&A" section):

She likes them on instagram:

Thanks! Yeah, that's fine. You can add a link to my post in the OP. Jae doesn't seem to be discussed alot in this thread. I wished he was discussed more. But he's an intersting guy and there's so much to write about him, lol.

deleting it makes it seem more suspicious, lol. I think he was missing someone (Key). <3

Hello everyone! I saw my post about Jaejoong from the "which idol is gay" thread was linked here. I'm glad you guys like it! I mainly follow Jae, but you can't follow him without knowing about Yunjae. He always spoke so dear of his former tvxq members too. Some of his old tweets/interviews 2 years after the split make me really sad to read... Jaejoong: "I don't know if it's okay for me to say this.. I miss Yunho and Changmin as well.. No matter what people say, they are our members and I know them better than anyone.. Although people may say I'm foolish.. I really miss them after all this time." Kim Jaejoong declared, that “one day all of us will be together.†I don't know if they are in contact now (I really wish they are). Regardless, it's obvious Jae still loves them and will always have them in his hearts. And I get a feeling alot of his ambiguous tweets about "yearning" and "memories of past love" are about one of his former tvxq members too. And these next videos always makes me sad. :( But first, a fanaccount regarding it: "Hope concert in Gwangju 2009, Jaejoong met Yunho’s parents and got scolded by them. Even though Yunho’s mother still said that Jaejoong was so beautiful, clever, intelligent and respectful, well-behaved, they still didn’t allow YunJae. It is just because Jaejoong is a man. Then, Jaejoong was so sad, cried hard and wanted to say goodbye (again and again ==’). When singing “Don’t say goodbyeâ€, Jaejoong cried. At the backstage of the Hope concert, Jaejoong always tried to avoid Yunho." I don't know if the account is true, but it sure does match up with the videos from the event: Jae avoiding Yunho backstage before their performance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CNow2rCEkc Jae nearly in tears while singing "Don't say goodbye": So that happened in March 2009. And a few month later in July, JYJ had that lawsuit and split with SM... so I wonder if this was one factor (out of many) that added to why Yunho didn't leave with JYJ and stayed with SM at that time. By the way, is there any good yunjae timelines out there? I found this one: http://boboyunjae.wordpress.com/2011/03/30/updating-yunjaes-moment-time-line-x/ (but it's in vietnamese and goes only up to 2006).

I might lurk, but I don't know if I'll have much to contribute. I haven't followed any pairings recently besides KeySeop (and even with them... I've been kinda slacking, lol).

Go ahead and link to it, I don't mind. I think I'll add a link to the yunjae thread to my post as well (in the yunjae resources part). And I also get annoyed when people use the "femininity =/= gay" excuse to "defend" their oppas from being gay. ....like, it probably doesn't mean anything that someone's feminine, but I don't understand some people's logic in concluding someone is definately not gay just because "femininity =/= gay".

Yeah, I agree. Jae was adopted into a family of 8 girls...so it's likely his parents sought out a boy to adopt who can pass on their name. So there's probably lots of expectations on him, being their only son. I get really sad thinking about Jae sometimes. :( He doesn't sound happy whenever he talks about marriage. (Except for that one day when the gay director announced his gay wedding, lol. Literally 20 minutes after that news came out Jae tweeted "that's unbelievable" and seemed very excited over something for the rest of that day) But whenever he talks about wanting a g/f...it all sounds so depressing. "I want to give it a try", and wishing a girl to "please come quickly" before he dies. And in the video I posted, where he says he needs a g/f...he immediately asks the guy "Do you regret getting married?" So Jae repeatedly talks about needing a g/f...and the first thought he associated with it is "regret" in marriage? It's like he's viewing having a g/f as something he's obligated to have in marriage, but doesn't really want. If someone talked about needing a g/f because they wanted to be happily married in love, I don't think they'd have "regret" even on their minds to bring up. Maybe they'll ask "What's it like to be married?"/"Is marriage everything you expected?" not "Do you regret getting married?"

He's dancing with somebody, but it's kinda dark to see: http://instagram.com/p/bb3M7ggC7G/#

I think fans are just being very protective. I've seen them actively request those photo of him to be deleted whenever it's posted. Photos of him while he was in bangkok this weekend. I don't think it was posted in this thread and it's hard to find through google, but you can still find it on thai sites. (It's taken at Silom Soi 2....which is like the Homo Hill of Bangkok) EDIT: OMG, there's also a video of him in that club dancing... O.O

10. Conclusion This is getting really long. Jeajoong is just a complex person. You can't fully understand his sexuality without understanding him as a person. And there's a mystery about him that I can't grasp. It's odd, because like Key, Jaejoong is a person who emphasizes honestly, he finds it difficult to tell a lie, he's very straightforward and direct regarding how he expresses his thoughts and emotions. However, although Jae doesn't hold back his feelings, his words can often be elusive and difficult to comprehend. Maybe it's because he freely expresses his emotions without filter and ...he's just himself. And with being human, comes real complexities and flaws. A man full of regret, loneliness, disappointment, lost love, yearning, insecurities, jealousy, emptiness, melancholy...You can see it in his interviews, and especially filled in his twitter updates: Loneliness Yearning Loss Disappointment Insecurities Uncertainty Reminiscing etc... His honesty and ability to say whatever is on his mind is really refreshing, but I also get a sense that his frankness and impulsiveness can potentially get him into trouble: *Just interesting to note that the manger got nervous in the 2 interviews above during questions about dating. If Jae dated only females, I don't think this warrants such a reaction since Jae is in his mid-20s and doesn't exactly have a pure/chaste image. (Plus if it were female celebrities he's dated, I'd think they'd want him to mention it since it would distract from all the gay rumors and speculations. I mean, they even created rumors involving 2 Japanese female celebs before...but then Jae went and discredited those rumors, lol) Interviewer 3: Interview 4: *I seriously think he told the interviewer that he's gay I guess that's the intrigue of jj to me..that he's not afraid to expose himself and appear human. There are probably aspects of his personalty that some people dislike...but I tend to believe it's because he's willing to share so much of his true self in public. And in being completely genuine and honest, all his flaws are in plain sight (jealousy, insecurities, need for attention/affection, etc). But then on the other hand, everything else he expresses...the closeness/loyalty he speaks of his members, the love/appreciation he displays towards fans, the affection he engages with friends/family...you'd know they are also coming from a genuine place. "Stars are often required to show perfection, but there should be a side that shows that they are human too, that they are imperfect." - JJ It might feel like I'm going off-topic, but the main purpose of this last section is get to know Jae and understand why he appears so open about his sexuality in an environment where most other K-pop Idols are probably hiding it (some even ashamed of it). Like I said with Key, it might be his personality and how they both place strong emphasis on being genuine and honest. And Jae especially, is not afraid to reveal his weakness and flaws. He's not afraid to engage in activities that others may criticize and disapprove of. He's not perfect, but he's also not ashamed to be himself. This takes you to my statement in the beginning: "So either he's a really, REALLY open-minded person who's confident/secure on his sexuality as a straight man to fool around, but often wonders if it's gay and likes trolling people about it......or he's simply gay and doesn't know how to hide his true feelings." I think the latter fits more with his personality than the former. He's someone who goes after what his heart desires. The fact that he often sounds unhappy when talking about marriage (or getting a girlfriend) indicates to me that (if he were to be straight) he wouldn't be very confident/secure in his love with females. But he does seem comfortable and most himself if he were a gay man (from the fact that he continues engaging in activities that will cause people to speculate him being gay...and him being aware of people's speculations too). Also, being close friends with Hong Seok Cheon and also Heechul ([1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]) (who's shown vocal support towards his dongsaengs regarding same-sex relationships), certainly helps him to embrace his sexuality if he were gay. So there are many reasons why, despite his lack of confidence in other aspects of his life, he is still comfortable with his sexuality and doesn't care about appearing gay. Finally, these statements from Jaejoong: "Strangely, my fans weren’t jealous [of the female co-stars]. Instead, they were jealous of the actors? (Laugh)†-JJ "It’s like this every time. Compared to female actresses, I always get paired up with male actors." -JJ Coupled with this statement: "...what good would it do for me to hide things like this. I’m pretty sure most of my fans know all of this by day....It’s not like I can deny things that my fans already know about."-JJ Those statements sure does indicate that he's possibly aware that his fans know his preference, so he feels no need to hide it. <3 BONUS

8. Exceptions for Males Besides preferring the company of men, there are other things Jae leaves open for males, yet shuts down for females. Jae mentioned that he would never get a tattoo of a girl's name: Next, he also revealed that he would never tattoo a girl's name, including his wife. He emphasized that he might tattoo his children names in the future, but definitely not woman's name. ...But he got a tattoo of his boys name, Micky and Junsu: Jae mentioned he never wrote a song for a women: "Rather than betrayal, I have broken up with my girlfriend because I reserved time for my dream more than for her. I first met her when I was in 6th year of elementary school. She is my first love and we dated for 4 years and 8 months. I think I have never written a song for a woman but there are songs containing my feelings after parting. Almost all the songs I made are sad songs. For me, the sorrow of parting lasts long. At times like that, many songs come out." [Asiatoday Interview] Of course, he could've simply meant he writes songs about a woman and his feelings regarding it. ...But there are songs he's written that are specifically sung for someone. And if he's never written a song for a woman..."I’m saving all my love for you"...I wonder who he's singing these songs for? Jae's other songs about his feelings after parting sound like a retelling of the same love story with one particular lover (the one he's singing a song for). The lyrics are very emotionally revealing: "You've already become my soul", "I'm saving all my love for you", "You're my and only and last love", "I'm feeling one heart, one kiss" If Jaejoong wanted to commemorate this great love story he had with a woman, he wouldn't dismiss her and say "I've never written a song for a woman". At the 2012 FM in Thailand, he was asked "What's your inspiration when writing songs?" and he replied: "Past memories and love, the most important." (Note that he said past "love" not "lovers"). At the 2012 Nanjing FM, he was asked "Where does Jaejoong’s inspiration when writing songs come from, like a person or a thing?" and he replied "It’s someone" (Again, it's a singular person, not "people" in general). So Jae writes emotionally detailed songs inspired by a particular past love, but it's not a woman. Although he rarely uses gender-specific pronouns in his songs, 1 song written for him is clearly about an ex-girlfriend. However, Jae says his heart never flutters when kissing any of his co-actresses on set: To the question about what satisfies him the most, Kim Jaejoong praised himself, “I think I’m good at kissing scenes. It was hard but I could do it without NG.†He playfully revealed, “I really feel sorry toward my co-actresses but up to now there hasn’t been any kiss scene that made my heart flutter. Jihyo noona or Kim Sungryung sunbaenim, even Wang Jihye who was my partner in drama are the same. Strangely, my fans weren’t jealous. Instead, they were jealous of the actors? (Laugh)†After a few seconds, he waved his hand and said, “It’s because I concentrated on the acting.†[BNT Interview] . ...But he brings up chemistry with his co-actors (i.e. Yihan), and also speaks fondly or becomes shy when talking about the males he's kissed. ..or even just talking about being hugged by a guy he becomes extremely shy and flustered: When scandals with woman are brought up...Jae outright denies them: Q: There is a scandal rumor with a Japanese model—does she happen to be Yamada Yu? “Yamada Yu is a top model in Japan, like a ‘Little Lee Sora’. (T/N: Lee Sora is a legendary top model in Korea.) We met for the first time in our after party of the U.S. LA Showcase. But I know that she is in a relationship with a well-known actor in Japan. Therefore there are no scandals about us in Japan no matter how much we hang out, but it seems that in Korea there has been a bit of a misunderstanding. (laugh)†Q: Now I understand. However, there were also rumors of being in a relationship with Ayumi Hamasaki. “That is very strange as well. Ayumi cheered for us during the A-Nation performances, which Japan’s Avex holds every year, and last October she came especially to the JYJ Korean Showcase—it seems that rumors arose because of that. But that’s not the case. You must all know that Ayumi announced a surprise wedding with an actor of Austrian descent. (laugh)†He immediately mentions these ladies are already in a relationship with someone else, so there is no scandal. ...But with Yunho and Yihan, he seems to keep those speculations alive and not squash them when brought up. He even says and does things to makes those speculations with his male pairings stronger. He 9. Ideal types and marriage So Jae seems to have a preference for males. However, there are times when he is asked specially about his Ideal "Girl" and also about marriage. When these topics are brought up, he often doesn't mention gender specific things. Also, he's the only male Idol I'm aware of who has actually named a male as his ideal type (twice!) and he didn't look like he was joking either. People he has named as his Ideal Types (or people he's interested in having a relationship with): He named a man twice: He has also named woman 20 years older than him twice: And he has also named women of other nationalities as someone he likes: When Jae's describing his ideal type, he often describes things that are not gender specific, like pretty hands. And when talking about love, he rarely mentions physical attributes tied to any gender: The one instance where he mentions something gender related was saying he wanted a "housewife type", "...a girl who can manage household chores and cook well." ( ..you can read some of my opinions on that in Key's analysis. Basically, in a conservative environment like Korea, it is not unexpected for gay males to feel the need to conform to expectations of having a traditional family. They may see these traditional values abstractly rather than personally, and so it's not surprising that they can often describe things stereotypically, like wanting a "housewife") Anyways, there aren't many clips of Jae interacting with females to really determine his attraction to them, (and he seems playful rather than attracted to them. Like siblings...and he did grow up around 8 sisters.). But when Jae talks about getting a girlfriend, he often sounds unexcited: At a fanmeeet in Thailand, he was asked if he wanted a Thai g/f, and he said "but if I had a thai g/f you guys wouldn't like it, right?" Then the MC says, right now you have 5000 g/f (pointing to the audience), and Jae unenthusiastically replied "that will make you get older quickly." Even when he claims he "needs" a girlfriend, he seems uninterested... Jae repeatedly talks about needing a g/f, then asks someone "Do you regret getting married?"...so the first thought he associated with getting a g/f is "regret" in marriage. It's like he's viewing having a g/f as something he's obligated to have in order to prepare for marriage, not something he chooses to have. If someone talked about needing a g/f because they wanted to be happily married in love, I don't think they'd have "regret" even on their minds to bring up. So he feels he "needs" a g/f for some reason. Maybe it's the pressure to have grandchildren from his parents? Jae was adopted into a family of 8 girls, so it's likely that his parents sought out a boy to adopt who can pass on their name. There's probably a lot of expectations on him being their only son: The following quotes are ordered by date, so you can see how he transitions from wanting to get married quick...but as time passes, he pushes it off later and later...to not at all: Jae generally sounds unsatisfied when talking about marriage in the quotes above. However, when the news about Kim Jho Kwang-Soo's plans to hold Korea's first gay wedding was announced on nate, naver and other Korean sites, Jae tweeted an ambiguous tweet expressing how unbelievable and emotional(sad) something was: "Kekekekekeke I can't believe this" (ã…‹ã…‹ã…‹ã…‹ã…‹ã…‹ì´ëŸ´ìˆ˜ê°€) "Kekekekekekekekekeke it's a bit sad" (ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ슬프다요) This might be a coincidence, but since the tweet came minutes after the news of the gay director's wedding (and it was highly discussed on twitter and tweeted to him), I speculate he's responding about it. The rest of that day, he seemed unusually excited, even inviting some of his friends over to celebrate with RedBull and drinks.

7. Appreciation of his male fans This might not indicate anything about him being gay (but it's not just appreciation he shows, he sometimes flirts with them too, lol). Anyways, it's really cute so I had to make a section for this. :: What are male fans to Jaejoong? - To me, they are gods. Male fans. Ugh~ I want them. I really want them. I want to have fanboys. He really loves his fanboys... Hugging them: Flirting with them: Giving them shout-outs: Saying "I love you" to fanboys Interesting, because Jae has stated that "he didn’t say “I love you†even once to the girl he has dated for a year", but then says it to a fanboy at his concert. There are other instances of him stating something he wouldn't do for females, yet making exceptions for males...

6. Jae doesn't give a shit what people think From the other points above, Jae has mentioned kissing men, he's also played up chemistry with his co-actor (Yihan) and group member (Yunho), and he strongly prefers male company and regularly hangs out in the gay district of Itaewon. This is all while acknowledging himself that he might not have interest in girls. Some people may question that if he was really gay, he'd be more careful and not be so obvious. But Jae's always been the type to do what he wants and continue doing it (even if people find it weird or even if they might think it's gay). Remember I mentioned this weird habit of Jae's: It's been brought up again in later interviews, so I'll assume he hasn't stopped this habit... Maybe he thinks it's fine because he allows other guys to take naked photos of him in the bathtub too? lol: The last segment of the fanmeeting was ‘Paparazzi’. Jaejoong showed us photos he’s never revealed before. ... one was Jaejoong naked in a bathtub! – He said the bathtub photo was taken by a fellow actor while he was filming Dr.Jin. The fifth (and last) one was JJ topless selca in bed with blanket scrunched up around his chest. He said there are even sexier photos, but he can’t reveal them here… JJ: perhaps on twitter later? LOL And the same thing with giving pecks to his members. He did it previously with Changmin and they were calling it weird, now he does it with Junsu/Yuchun despite his awareness that people could think he's gay: "I don’t know since when, but I tend to give them pecks when I drink. (laugh) Junsu is really adorable and Yuchun is so too. I can’t say how handsome they are.. Well some people become less looking when they grow old, but look how the two boys have grown up so well!..." He was just full of smiles [when talking about Yoochun and Junsu] as if he think about his lover. He laughed aloud, saying "What if people become to think I'm gay? Haha.""

5. YunJae There's a lot that could be written about them, but this isn't a YunJae analysis, it's a Jaejoong analysis. I'll just say that I'm convinced their relationship extended beyond normal fanservive. At the very least, Jae is seriously infatuated with Yunho (and Yunho appeased him, if not anything more). How serious they took it...I don't know. But I'm bringing YunJae up because Jae made it so obvious with his stares that he was attracted to another man (Yunho). This isn't the way friends look at each other: More: Now these next images are what I mentioned earlier... Jae feels like he has to compete with others (including females) when they take male attention away from him. Again, I don't think any straight man would appear this jealous and give people death glares while looking the person up and down. And the thing to notice is that other people around are smiling/laughing, it's only Jae with that death glare: More: I won't write much on YunJae, but there's a lot of good resources to learn more about this pair: So there's alot of good resources and analysis of yunjae out there (and there are also others that are contrived and exaggerated to beware of). My analysis here is focused only on Jae's sexuality, and I brought YunJae up because it shows Jae obviously being attracted to another man (Yunho). The exact nature of their relationship and timespan it took place, I don't have the knowledge to determine (and I don't think anyone knows besides Yunho and Jae themselves, but we can all speculate). I do, however, believe that at one point in time, there was something more between them than they showed publicly. But whatever it was, seems to fade as time passes by (although the memories still remain strong).

4. Preference for male company Jae has questioned himself on this: "Is it because I don't have interest in girls?" "Is it okay to [hang out like this] with all guys(?)" He even mentioned not needing a girlfriend as long as he had his guys by his side: Jae tweeted this to Junsu: "I think I can do without a girlfriend^^ Yesterday while we were shooting, after a long time - I felt that it is enough just having you guys^^ã…Ž You've given me so much strength, Junsu-yah^^ We're in this together for a lifetime. Thank you, for being by my side." Jae with his friends: More: Jae's also very close and affectionate when hanging out with his male friends: Sleeping with them: Joke about being in a relationship together: Jaejoong even celebrated his birthday in the gay district of Itaewon with mostly (if not all) males (at least 2 of them are openly gay): His friends even says he prefers males : http://onehallyu.com/index.php?/topic/64-which-male-idols-do-you-think-are-gay/page-505&do=findComment&comment=2438801 http://onehallyu.com/index.php?/topic/64-which-male-idols-do-you-think-are-gay/page-511&do=findComment&comment=2470611 Jae seems to prefer male company and hasn't changed that. It doesn't seem to matter what others may think or what rumors pop up. An article even circulated speculating Hong Seok Cheon to be his boyfriend. Which angered many. However, HSC made a reply to that article: [TRANS] ã… ã… ã… ã… ã… ã… the reporter write a fiction or what. What is this I've nothing to say. ã… ã… ã… ã… Stop it. I'm sure Jaejoong is aware of all these rumors and speculations (and he even speculated himself...maybe he has no interest in girls?), but all this hasn't dissuaded him from spending most of his time in the company of men. Even after the gay rumors of him with HSC were published in Chinese papers in Hong Kong (then spread to Singapore media and Vietnamese sites), Jae still hangs around HSC at his Itaewon restaurants. I really love him for this. <3 They have a really good friendship. Most recently on June 2013: Spending time with mostly men (many of them either openly gay or speculated to be gay) might not mean someone is gay. But what caught me was how he talks about the females he's been around...and the reason why Jae says he doesn't hang around them. He speaks as if he has to compete with them for male attention: In the 2009 interview, Jae said he doesn't call up girls when hanging out with his male friends because then all the attention would be on her. In the 2012 interview, he said he stopped contact with a girl because she dated alot of guys, including some of his close friends. This might be a personal interpretation....but I'm getting a hint of jealousy from Jae when I'm reading these interviews. He doesn't hang around girls because they take male attention away from him? In the 2009 interview, it feels like he's saying he has to compete more for male attention when a girl is around. And the 2012 interview, he appears jealous that the girl has dated some of his close male friends (maybe ones he has shown interest in?). Since it was the girl he stopped contact with (and he said "friendship is very important to me"), it's more likely he's jealous of the girl dating these guys than of his male friends dating the girl. I don't know of many straight guys who would feel threatened and compete with females for male attention in a social environment. Of course, I may have interpreted the words of these interviews wrong, so seeing Jae's facial expressions and demeanor would help. And there are gifs and images showing Jaejoong looking jealous around other females! Most of these videos/images are of his attraction to Yunho though, (mainly because this relationship was most often seen in public and recorded) but I'm sure he's had similar reaction around other males...

2. Kissing Men I mentioned the first thing that Jae associated with Junsu's kiss to another man was if Junsu's character is gay. Yes, it was on the lips Jae, lol. Why are you so surprised? Jae bringing up the kiss again during a lie detector test for junsu...lol. He seems very interested in this kiss. ...yet Jae himself has kissed men (both before and after Junsu's role in Elisabeth). And it's not just kissing his members as "fanservice". Some of it may be "pretend" kiss, or kissing pictures of guys, or simply boasting about it when being asked (doesn't matter the details, the main point is he thought Junsu's character was suppose to be gay because he kissed a guy...so when Jae kisses guys himself, there's a good chance he knows it's gay too.): Kissing his roommate pre-debut: I mentioned this already...Kissing Changmin on the lips(?) while he was sleeping in the car: Jae stated his last kiss was with a guy (2006): Jae stated again that his last kiss was with a man (2012): Kissing photo of a man: Kissing a drawing of a guy: 3. Chemistry between him and Yihan Jae is aware of potential speculations between him and Yihan regarding their roles in "Dr. Jin": “As people said that we looked good together, there was a strange feeling in the scenes with Yihan hyung. I even questioned the way he looked at me. Because when you search with keyword ‘Jin Yihan’, the results related to gay would come out. Ha ha! Is it like that because we’re too close?†- JJ So Jae's aware of people misunderstanding their close chemistry. He even questioned the way Yihan looked at him because Yihan's name was associated with the word "gay" on internet searches. Hmmm...so how did Jae respond to this? He further encourages the speculations! I think when Jae said he "questioned the way [Yihan] looked at [him]" because he noticed the word "gay" was related to his name online...he may have been hoping that Yihan was seriously gay: So he mentioned being grateful to accept being best couple with Yihan, and then when asked about his ideal type, he chooses Youngwi/Yihan over his female co-star. Then he states that "girls appearance..are really not that important". It's the person inside that counts. Another article stated Jae became serious when talking about it: Jaejoong even invited Yihan to live with him: Yihan: “I have spent a week at Kim Jaejoong’s house. Kim Jaejoong likes me a lot and therefore he said to me ‘Let’s live together.’" Jae really wants Yihan and can't let him go... I don't think Yihan is gay though; And Yihan doesn't seem to feel similar about the attraction between them: Yihan: "He’s a good friend but I think if he were a woman, I wouldn’t want to go out with him (laughs).†Jae always sets himself for disappointment =( . But their relationship still seemed to be very good friendship even after their filming: Jae with Yihan and FACE

* I've updated this analysis. Some credits go to the people in this thread. I've just started gathering every Jae related discussions/findings that has been brought into this thread and organized them into a single post here. ========================================= Since I wrote an analysis on Key, I thought Jaejoong needed one too. There are many similarities I see between them: they both are straightforward people who don't seem to care what others think; they both also do/say things that hint at them being gay and not being ashamed of it. So I get a feeling both of them are already open about their sexuality in their personal lives. However, a difference is that while Key is indirect about it and shows some restraint in what he shares, Jae has less of a filter. The main thing to strike me with Jae is that he's aware of things being "gay" (or implied as gay)...and he'll go out and continue doing whatever it was that he considered gay (fully aware of how others will perceive it). This alone doesn't mean anything of course, but when he consistently does it...it sure does imply that he doesn't give a shit if people think he's gay. So either he's a really, REALLY open-minded person who's confident/secure on his sexuality as a straight man to fool around, but often wonders if it's gay and likes trolling people about it......or he's simply gay and doesn't hide his true feelings. (HINT: Jae's not a confident person ("I am currently working hard towards revival (of self-confidence)" -JJ) nor does he like deceiving fans ("what good would it do for me to hide things like this. I’m pretty sure most of my fans know all of this by day....It’s not like I can deny things that my fans already know about."-JJ), however, he is honest and direct in what he expresses:"I have always been straightforward ...I wished that my fans liked me for my straightforwardness and fans who liked me for my looks will probably be minority." -JJ ) 1. Awareness of what's considered gay (or implied as gay/weird for guys) This 1st section might not indicate anything about him being gay. This is just a list showing that Jae is aware of what's considered "gay". I will expand on some of these points in the subsequent sections. Before I begin, here is Jae's pre-debut (2002) opinions on gay relationships: 26. Do you think gay relationship is acceptable? - Gay is also a man, isn’t he? ㅡㅡ;;haha (TN: here, he wrote “아닌가?†a word used when someone asks question or doubts himself) 55. What do you think of love relationship between gays? -Gays are also humans so that’s why they love each other A list of things Jae has stated or implied as being gay Jae wonders if the reason he's usually around men is because he has no interest in girls: Jae wonders if Junsu's character in the musical "Elisabeth" (where he kissed another man) was suppose to be a gay character: Jae noticed Yihan's name is related to "gay" in internet searches, so Jae questioned the way Yihan looked at him on set, and wondered if they were really close to each other in that way: Jae mentions having weird chemistry because he goes better with actors than actresses: Jae wonders if it's okay to hang out with all guys like this: Jae wonders if people will think he's gay for the affection he shows towards his JYJ members: Jae was embarrassed about the fact that even though he's a guy, he feels warm and comfortable when hugging Yunho: Jae says "I'm not a gay" after telling a fanboy 'I love you' Other people have also pointed out to Jaejoong that some of the things he does (as a guy) can be weird (so I assume he's aware of how others perceive the things he does) Weird reaction to Jae singing a love song to Yunho: MC thinks it's weird for 2 men to hug like Jae was doing here: Even his members point out stuff to him *Okay, to be fair, some of these things JJ does with implied gayness actually is weird...regardless if it's a guy or girl doing it Changmin and Yunho tell Jae it's weird of him to want to kiss Changmin like this: Yunho and Junsu talk about Jae's weird hobby of taking photos while members are in the bathroom/shower: Junsu talks about Jae's vibrant texts being weird between men: Okay, so Jae often wonders about things being gay. He's also aware of what people perceive as weird. Now the interesting thing isn't just that he wonders if something's gay (or that he does something with implied gayness that other people find weird). No. What's interesting is that he continues doing whatever it was that he considered gay, and even says/does things to further strengthen that speculation (as if he actively wants people to think he's gay if he wasn't already). Strengthening the gay speculations with his antics...

"With Kibummie! Very very!! Good friend, friend for life" It's interesting he didn't simply write "With Kibummie. Good friend, friend for life" ..but instead, he stresses that they're "Very very!!" good friends ;) ...and friend for life. The "Very very!!" could imply "more than" friends (because of course he can't write boyfriend, =p)

Do you have a link to the ulzzang show you watched? Alot of Idols sleep together, shower together, play kissing games, and display alot of physical closeness...but I don't speculate them being gay just becuase they engage in those activities. Comfort is to be expected when they live together and have spent alot of time bonding with eachother since their trainee days. I would say that I speculate more based on their reaction to the skinship (is there attraction or just brotherly affection?). This is a bit difficult becuase it's also dependent on the background/personalities of the person. Key doesn't seek out skinship or engage in overt fanservice, yet I think he's gay. Jaejoong seeks out skinship and is obvious in displaying it, and I also think he's gay/bi. So there's not really a critieria, you have to understand the person behind it too (Jae's an impulsive person who likes to be showered with love/attention, while Key is more practical and aware (and still has an image to maintain under SM)). I also speculate based on suspicious statements they make (like when talking about ideal types and relationships). Because sometimes they may slip up or contradict themselves, which can make you question what they really mean.

Gay and Lesbian themed MVs from Thailand (both singers are also openly gay/lesbian and singing the song about themselves in the MV)

He could still be doing an interview while key is with him. I see a blond person with a black hat too. And the person taking the photo is standing closer. On the table, it looks like someone was sitting next to phs (extra phone on table) and also across from him (something on chair). So there's at least 2 people there with him. Maybe key stood to the side while the person took the photo.

The most recent post on the fyphs tumblr is a reblog from keyseoplove... I'm sure phs went to the fyphs tumblr since it's the last thing tweeted to him before he came online. ...then he'd see the reblog from keyseoplove, with the link to the tumblr. ...it's possible he clicked on it

I've always wondered that too. I think Key may have addressed gay rumors before, but it could have been edited it out to prevent controversy (like how they did with Hong Seok Cheon). There was an episode of Weekly Idol where every member of SHINee had to answer a tough question but only Key's part was suspiciously edited out. I've been curious as why his part got cut, since the cut was quite obvious. There's some lesbian discussions every now and then in the kpopselca thread (the refuge place of many former AKP posters since the recent revamp): http://kpopselca.com/forum/korean-celebrity/k-pop-who-is-straight-homosexual-bisexual-etc-t796/page915.html It's kind of a general LGBTQ thread and tends to be dominated by male discussion, but we also discuss female idols and non kpop stars. So you're welcomed to join us there for lesbian speculations. I know there are quite a few lesbians who lurk there and they sometimes come out of hiding to post whenever females are brought up. I've been busy with work lately, but I will definately post about Jae since I already have something started and don't want my reseach going to waste, lol. It's going to be focused only on Jae though, and I won't go much into any pairings. (I know people often use YunJae as evidence of him being gay, but I've never followed any pairings in depth, so I'm probably not qualified to write on it. But if I think Jae is gay/bi, it should be despite any pairings anyways).

I think it's new. His hair is different, and he's not wearing any of the rings/bracelets he had on in all the previous photos of him with that shirt. He must really love this shirt.