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It's even better when you watch it with the lyrics.... Starts @ 5:00 Jae's having too much fun performing that song. And he sings all the gayest parts too.. JJ: Even if it's in my dreams, even if it's just for one day; I want to meet the man of my destiny JJ: Out of the few men I see out through the window; There's gotta be one for me (it looked like he turned to look at Yunho after he sang this part @ 6:00) JJ: I'll search for the man of my destiny I bet it was Jaejoong's song choice...I wonder how he convinced Changmin, lol.

I don't follow much of EXO, but before I even knew his name was Tao, I felt like he was gay because he reminded me of Jaejoong. I think it was because they both give off the same look in their eyes. Tao and Jae have a lot of the same stares:

And also Darren Young (WWE wrestler) came out a couple of days ago too.

I'm going to post his letter, because it was such an epic way he came out too:

That was my first thought too when I heard his concept back then was someone who was not suppose to talk or smile. At first, I've entertained the idea that it could've just been to maintain an image as an "ice prince". But during a fanmeet someone asked him about it (why he wasn't allowed to smile during those days), and he answered that he "can't tell"...like it was a secret. So now, since he's not allowed to share the reasoning, I'm more certain that it's something to do with SM fearing what he might reveal with his no-filter mouth, XD. And also "no smiling" because they wanted to discourage him from being too obvious around Yunho, lol. But even then, he can't hide his smile... And your interpretation of Jaejoong's smirk after passing the lie detector being more of a "look of irony" does make more sense now that I rewatch the video. Jaejoong and fanservice... *goes to add those gifs to my analysis* I think both his parents are aware that he's possibly gay. His dad also said to not worry about getting a girlfriend, just bring grandchildren. I noticed that Yunho also sings that song to Jaejoong here: I also agree with what you said here. JongKey had something going on for Key to look that hurt during the SSK period. I agree that Jjong tried "experimenting" (probably nothing really sexual), but then decided it wasn't for him. And Key got hurt because he took it more seriously. Sometimes I feel like Key will publicly come out, but then that feeling fades. If someone were to come out first in Kpop, I'm now starting to suspect it would be Jokwon.

So I updated part 8 and 9 of my Jaejoong analysis and noticed similar incidents between him and Key. There's a couple, but these ones were most notable to me since they're not typical: Both took a lie detector test while stating they don't like girls. And they both passed the lie detector!: When asked to draw their ideal type, they both drew generic figures (compared to their members who all drew more feminine looking people with long hair): Both have named woman who are 20+ years older than them as their Ideal Type: Both have covered songs predominately by females signing about a guy (sometimes even looking emotional over it, as if they relate to the song): Both got their Q&A obviously edited out during interviews with their entire group:

you look like L from infinite That was my exact thoughts. He kinda does resemble L.

We need more girls posting here..where all the girls at?

Sometimes I imagine that Yuri is a lesbian and the girls know it and are ok with it too, lol. I have another example: H: -laughing- "We almost kissed~" -laughlaughlaugh- Y: "She's weird, she's really weird!" H: "You like this kind of stuff though." Y: "Shh."

lol, that video where he said he had a girlfriend shocked me at first. I was like, wtf, I always thought he was gay. ...but then I saw your comment about his g/f actually being his dictionary. lol, ok, that makes more sense now. And Jaejoong often talks about wanting a g/f too, and he's still sooo gaaayyy. So I don't think that means anything. In those other videos you posted, Ryeowook seems very lackluster and uninterested in the females he's around. Like in this video below, the girl gets up to spread her legs on top of him @ 2:30 and it's like he doesn't feel anything, lol. He casually touches her legs, then gets back to focusing on his own performance: I remember an interview where his members mentioned he was more interested in work than dating. Also, those other videos of him kissing females you posted, it looks more like siblings kissing each other.

Ah, maybe it is Heechul in that photo, lol. I got confused with that interview where Jae said it was him (but maybe he was talking about the photo of him in the car). Heechul does look like Jaejoong at times: And more JaeChul, just because I like this pair... And I'm sad there probably won't be any more interactions between Jae and Shinee as there was in '08. Jae and Jjong look really cute together.

I'm still here. If I have time to write another essay, maybe I'll write one on him. But that's already a decent list they have for Heechul being gay/bi though. And I'm seeing similarities with Jae while reading them too. These quotes from Heechul: Reminds me of what Jaejoong said here: But with Jae, it's more like he's concerned about what others will think of him being gay. And he's probably bringing it up test the waters. So you see more of a questioning from him: "What if people think I'm gay?" "Is it because I don't have interest in girls?" "Is it okay to hang out with all guys like this?" That insecurity and self-consciousness makes it more believable for me that Jae's gay. Like, on the one hand, he's comfortable being gay and not giving a shit what others think because he's just being himself...but on the other hand, he's still insecure about it and curious if people will truly accept him if he actually does come out as gay. Then with Heechul, instead of questioning himself about being gay, it's more of a bold statement: "I love to hang out with guys to the extent that people think I'm gay" “I’m not interested in girls" "when I hang out with girls I feel annoyed." And Heechul's very confident and wants people to know he really enjoys kissing men, while Jae is more bashful while talking about the men he's kissed. Even though I talk about Jae, Key and Jokwon not giving a shit about hiding their gayness, there's still that secretiveness and fear they all have regarding potential homophobic backlash if they're too open about being gay. I don't sense that same fear with Heechul. So it's difficult to tell if Heechul's just messing with people (since he knows he's not really gay and will not be affected by whatever backlash comes from actually being gay) or if he's serious (and laughing at the fact that he's free to be gay because he's shielded from the backlash since no one will take it seriously ). I should probably do an analysis on similarities and differences between the speculated gays of Kpop (Key, Jaejoong, Jokwon, Heechul, etc.) ..because I've noticed many similarities. Also, about gays sticking together, some old pics of Jae with Heechul: Jae and Heechul And throwing in photos of Jae with Key:

Yeah, I don't think it's his girlfriend either. It looks like a fanclub meeting, and maybe the bracelet was a fan gift she gave him. Because there's pictures of PHS with other girls from that same event: https://www.facebook.com/gaaheeenhs/media_set?set=a.103639153127332.6566.100004437425797&type=3

Anybody watching Under the Dome? There is a lesbian couple on there.

I don't think he made an official "announcement". But he seems already "out" and most people seem to have accepted he's gay. He's been photographed in public with his supposed boyfriend ([1] [2]), accidentally referred to a "boyfriend" in an interview ([1] [2] [3]), rumors of him getting cozy at an intimate bar with another man, being spotted in public places holding hands with another man and spending the night at his house, rumors of him planning a gay marriage in California, the recent account about a private wedding ceremony he had with his boyfriend, and so on... I have a feeling Jae's going to do something similar. Never officially coming out, but just continuing to do what he has always been doing (flirting with boys, admitting to kissing men, singing songs about love towards males, hanging out with only men at gay bars, etc). Eventually when he's in his 40s he'll move to Japan and have a private gay wedding ceremony with his boyfriend like Ken Hirai. Most people will come to accept that he's gay (if they already haven't), but there will be the few in denial who still claim he's straight.

I use to find Heechul's interest in Sohee cute back then. I seriously believe he liked her since he would always get flustered around her, or just any mention of her. And is was always a huge contrast to his usually confident self. So it makes me believe he's at least bi. He's someone who appears to enjoy being an entertainer, trolling people, and seeing their reactions. To be so bold with all that kissing in a homophobic environment and actually be gay is very brave. So I see it more as him just messing with people. There is this American band, My Chemical Romance, who also does something similar. Two of the members, Gerard and Frank, have kissed eachother, but they did it as an anti-homophobic statement (I think one of them is married to a women). But they do it because they are supporters of LGBTQ and all for equality, so it was like a "fuck you" to the homophobic people watching them. I can imagine Heechul doing it for similar reasons. I mean, being around his SuJu members, I'm certain at least one of them has to be gay. And I think Heechul's aware and wants to be supportive (he mentioned supporting gay marriage in that radio interview). And maybe his way of spreading acceptance and equality is by being bold and in people's face about it. And if Taemin acted like Heechul with that much confidence in his fanservice, I would think he's gay. Taemin always confuses me, and isn't as confident. So doing what Heechul does would really be out of his character. I would think.."wow, Taemin finally found the confidence to be who he is...and it's gay" There's something about all the MCs in Thailand, lol. Always flirting with JJ. There's the one you posted, who asked if Jae wanted to "ride" him: And then there's a lot more flirting with the Thai MC who sniffed his hands after JJ shook it: and also @ 14:48 this Thai MC says "don't look into his eyes...if you do that, you'll be dead. If it's not for my parents, I'd definitely change my gender now." I think someone tried to start a thread for J-pop, but it died. But yeah if anyone has speculations on non-Kpop, I'm interested in hearing them too. There's really no other place for active discussions on them. I'm not good with speculations (esp. in jrock because I want to say all of them are gay, lol), so I'll just list people who I think are already out/confirmed(?): Japanese: Ken Hirai - Gay (also, http://choscandalo.us/post/9876965065/gaynoujin2) Gackt - Bi-curious Takeru (SuG) - Bi Ataru Nakamura -Trans Kaya (Schwarz Stein) - Gay Chinese/Taiwanese: Joanna Wang - Bi Thai: Pongsak "Aof" Rattanaphong - Gay "Zee" Matanawee Keenan - Lesbian Ben Chalatit - Gay Philippines: Charice - Lesbian

I was expecting you to look like your avatar too, lol..and maybe it's the reason why I thought you'd be tan. Oh, and icu quoting your pic so no one can quote it later. Good idea. I will steal that idea for when I want to post something I will later delete. I actually don't mind not being in a relationship either, and just being friends with people. But I'm near that age where people are talking about marriage and stuff. And I'm often asked when I'll get married and if I'm seeing anyone (so I kinda relate to what Jaejoong's going through here. Alot of his responses really resembles the responses I've given). Looking back, I was pretty clueless to who's interested in me all throughout HS and prior as well. I guess it's because I never had dating/sex on my mind, so I always thought people were just being nice to me. And I would unintentionally flirt with them. And I always thought we were just being really friendly, but then they seemed disappointed about something. And now I realize what was going on...I have no social skills.

a-dar is definitely more difficult than gaydar, lol. I wished it was easier so it could prevent me from getting into awkward relationships with sexuals, which usually ends up in disappointment. And I'm the same with having crushes, but just wanting to stare at them and do nothing more. xD Or maybe like you said, just invite them to play video games with you. lol. I've actually done that with a guy I like (who seemed to like me too). It was actually one of my first dating experiences. He seemed shy, so I was the one who began inviting him to innocent dates (like playing video games with me ). But eventually, it got awkward when he wanted things to get more sexual....and he ended up thinking he'd been friend-zoned or something.

Technically she could be both asexual and lesbian. Maybe she prefers romantic relationships rather than sexual ones, and relationships that are not with males... ;) My story's not that interesting either, and kinda similar to yours. I'm a girl, and didn't have interest in guys growing up. But I was always drawn towards physically feminine people, so I thought I was a lesbian at first. Then I realized I didn't have much interest in girls either, so that left me confused. And it took me a while to figure out that it was just the sex part that I didn't have interest in. Initially, I thought I just didn't have enough sexual experiences (because I often see sexuals saying this as reasons for why asexuals don't really exists) ... but then a straight person really doesn't need to have sex multiple times with the same gender until they decide they're not gay/lesbian, right? lol. So...yeah. And I suspect Kevin mainly because every time he's asked about ideal types or what he'd do on a date, it's always non-sexual. Like he'd answer that if he had a g/f he'd sing her a song, bake her a cake, spend time with her, cook dinner for her, etc. It's always something very innocent and platonic. I don't get vibes from him either way as well, but I can't imagine him with a girl, so I see him as gay in that regards.

I love Heechul. He doesn't strike me as gay either, but maybe bi-curious. You're right, it does look like he's saying "ouch". Well, whatever is going on, I know it was a hopeless search for me finding any images where it remotely appeared like he was interested in females. And he is around a lot of beautiful woman on set...so the rarity of such things is certainly suspect. But you can find many instances with males. Even flirting with them, lol...

Hello there! I'm asexual too. And I mostly lurk here as well for the same reason as you, lol. So I hope you post here more. I've surprisingly stumbled into quite a few asexuals on these types of forums, but they just never talk about it. So I never know how many are out there. How did you come to the conclusion that you're asexual, if you don't mind me asking? And relating to Kpop, I personally think Seohyun and Kevin Woo are both asexuals (but Kevin leans towards males).

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Hello and welcome to the forum. I agree that Jae is more likely gay than bi. But in some instances, he can look really sexual around girls: He might just be a sexual person in general though...but yeah, his preference does seem to be males rather than females. Whenever he talks about getting a girlfriend or his past experiences with females, he rarely seems interested or excited. But when talking about males, there's a huge and visible difference. When he talks about Beyonce, he usually mentions liking her music and singing, and that she's someone he'd want to collaborate with. He seems in love with her musically. So maybe it's not like an "Ideal Type" for a girlfriend, but there's that feeling of being really in love with someone's art, but not interested in that person sexually. And I can't argue that people do notice Jae's femininity first...and that's what leads people to think he's gay: And, as you said, it's his femininity combined with all the other factors that makes it really convincing that he is gay. So I agree, femininity can serve as an indication, and alot of the times, you will find further support for it. But the femininity =/= gay argument that many fangirls use to defend their idols really annoys me, so I didn't want to bother bringing it up, lol. Femininity and yunjae are the two things most people get defensive about and argue that "it doesn't mean Jaejoong's gay!" So I tried not to discuss much of either. But I couldn't leave YunJae out completely since that's a big part of him. So I also discussed other guys he seemed interested in besides Yunho..like Yihan (even though I don't think there was anything going on between them). But I think discussing him made some YunJae shippers upset, lol. Oh well...I can't please everyone. Anyways, I noticed my essay on Jaejoong was being linked and talked about on twitter and FB. I'm glad you and others found it interesting. But I guess not everyone liked reading it...I think someone even went to my profile to rate me 1 stars because of it, lol. (It's reminding me of what happened with my Key essay -_-). But that's to be expected. BTW, for people who haven't checked back, I edited and updated a few things to my Jaejoong analysis yesterday so it flows better: http://onehallyu.com/index.php?/topic/64-which-male-idols-do-you-think-are-gay/page-81&do=findComment&comment=687096

Plus, people are really confusing gay club (a place where you're surrounded by gay guys dancing and making out) with cabaret show (a place where you watch a show and are are not part of it)..

I can't find any better scans either. But the translations came from here: http://babonamu.tumblr.com/post/54233544284/haruhana-vol-18-twitter-q-a And I got the scans from here: http://infinitechinggyu.wordpress.com/2013/05/22/picmag-130522-infinite-haruhana-magazine-vol-18/ Both are said to be from haruhana vol. 18, and the translation was posted a week after the magazine was available, so I assume the translation came from that magazine. Maybe the Q&A part they translated is one of the ones cut off on the sides? Too bad the Twitter Q&A pages are the only scans where we can't see the entire page...