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8 hours ago, sureyeahiguess said:

I don’t get any queer vibes from either of them. Maaaaybe Ricky a little, but Gyuvin seems straight as hell. This whole dynamic is giving me “Hey, bro, wouldn’t it be funny to mess with people by calling each other boyfriend?”. That, coupled with the fact they have seen how other members have gotten more popular by being shipped with other members, so from a career standpoint it makes sense for them to create a ship of their own. They seem like besties having fun and capitalizing on their friendship to grow their careers, a win-win situation for them.

coming back from the dead to speak about this. to be fair if you're a zerose you ( in general not you op) would know that gyuvin is a very very affectionate person to the point his irl friends complained about it. If i were you I wouldn't think too much about gyuvin and ricky's friendship. in both ways. I genuinely think that both of them are straight, but are very close and share a deep connection, i think they might have a boyfriend joke between  them going on but that's it, i genuinely don't think that they would go as far as planning to play up to that extent their friendship to fan serve. they look sincere whenever they mention the other. 
as for gyuvin's joke, i don't understand how this could possibly pass as homophobic? it was just as much as a joke as a jab to wakeone, that company is clearly homophobic just as the others and the fact that the group has queer members in it it isn't hard to imagine that they could have really forbidden them to one, come out as gyuvin said, and two, for the queer members to lessen their interactions. If any one could have access to their past so was wakeone's staff. Not naming anyone for the sake of not starting ship discourses but it's been known on both international and korean sides that something's going with the company about it. 
also i've seen both reasons why korean fans are mad, some think that gyuvin talks/jokes too much and too freely ( it's not his first "scandal" like this)  and the other is because some are aware about the possibility that there are queer members and by mentioning this, he's kinda confirming that wakeone had to specify this rules to them, thus making it easy for homophobic fans to turn their back on jebewon. 

On 8/11/2023 at 3:33 PM, pyunkangyul said:

This too

Hao is so clingy lmao

That disbandment is gonna hurt!! 

 It's interesting because it's not only international fans that think like that but also the korean sides are starting to doubt their company too. ( if any one wants kr receipts dm me !) 

31 minutes ago, gam3 bo1 said:

when people were saying wakeone was 'gatekeeping' them i thought it was usual fan delusion but after today's video i'm starting to see it considering one of the music show promotion days showed in it was when they ate lunch together, posted that on twitter and it blew up.... unless they just didn't film that? though matthew and taerae taking their selfies was filmed so 

edit: this tweet i just saw points out all the stuff they did that day lmao

 

To be honest it's todays video that made me post it. We have the behind the scene of Taerae and Matthew selcas ( and Matthew said he'll use it as his wallpaper it's too cute) so we know that they can show us this type of content. On this day Hao and Hanbin were glued to each others but not one second is shown besides them talking behind the members for a few seconds? I don't know if it's possible that they had a discussion about their closeness on screen ... 

I remember back when ZeroBaseOne debuted some people thought that Wake One will ride on the fame of Haobin and will push it to make more money. Nowadays it's obvious that something is going on. No matter the relationship between the two, Hao and Hanbin are very close and obviously have no problem sharing it. So what I don't understand is how in any official contents ( contents from youtube or insta) from Wake One their closeness is being cut? Like they have every members doing things like hug or say sweet things to each others, but with the two there's literally no moments shared. And it's obvious it's only them as for recently every member had to hug the one next to them but they skipped Hao and Hanbin? Things like this happens all the time. Or we see them interact behind the scene on a clip but it's quickly cut and we don't really see each others talking together in front of the camera. We do know that during the periods filming (via haobin themselves posting pictures after or sasaengs pictures and videos) that they do interact a lot so I wonder if it's really on purpose or not? Add the fact that with any other media/companies they do share their moments like usual. It's really making me question things...   

edit: perfect timing as here we have the bts of their tiktok video with Baekhyun, on EXO's channel : 

Not Kpop related but Shinjiro Atae from the popular japanese group triple A (AAA) just came out! I'm so proud of him. Please show support and give him lots of love  

 https://www.instagram.com/p/CvKROvAPJ55/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== 

1 hour ago, laestrygonian said:

Not only is it unlikely for Hong Seokcheon to out anybody since he knows from experience how tough it is to be openly gay, Korea has very intense anti-defamation laws that allow people to sue over statements that are considered damaging to their reputation, even if said statements are true. Outing an idol could easily fall into that category & might result in serious legal repercussions. Apocryphally that's one of the reasons Dispatch has never revealed any gay dating scandals.

Tbh I'm neutral about RPS and kinda enjoyed stumbling upon the unhinged takes those two would post since it reminded me of late 00s/early 10s tumblr where people posted absolutely anything with no fear,  but it was an inevitability that being THAT horny on main would blow up in their faces. Not a matter of if, just a matter of when.

ZB1 fandom is really odd-- a lot of zeroses seem to ship Haobin but at the same time don't want to get tainted with the RPSer stigma. You see people claiming that Hao and Hanbin are soulmates/destined/perfect matches/etc, very romantic sentiments, but they always emphasize that they only mean it in a platonic besties way!! Then you have people who want to hide all hints of ZB1's past queerness and downplay Haobin to avoid hatred/scandals, who end up tacitly homophobic in the process. The whole "Hao imitating Hanbin's mother dance is offensive" thing from a few days ago was a good example of the latent homophobia lurking in certain parts of ZB1 fandom. A fandom with a lot of growing pains, for sure. (As for me, I'm just here for Ricky )

I agree with all of this !! I'm on Twitter but mostly on the kr/japanese zeroses side bc I find that some i-fans are going too far. From what I have seen about Hanbin and Hao from that side (kr) is that they are very supportive people keeping it cute and all. I don't see a lot of homophobia but I kinda see it from the I-side on low-key which always results in fights all the time. I feel like some people reduce their moments based by their homophobia but at the same time some of them use them as their fantasy and go waaaaay too far and almost all the time it's nsfw. About the person that met HSC, I really doubt that he outed anyone to them considering his past I wouldn't think one second that he'd put someone through this. I think they misinterpreted or used HSC words to fit their narrative. 
Also what I really like about OH is that there's a difference in speculating about one sexuality and using concrete proofs to out someone and everyone here gets it. I hope I don't see this kind of situation here ! At the end I really hope that that mess doesn't reach the boys. 

I really don't know if it was posted here already as I was not active in this thread when it aired but for anyone who didn't know, back then, Hong Seokcheon followed Hanbin on his personal insta when it was still up. 

 I don't think that we still need proofs about his sexuality but I wanted to share it  

Long post ahead ! I'm gonna put it on spoiler. 

I've been thinking about and observing Zhang Hao a lot these days. I always thought that Hanbin was very vocal about his feelings for Hao but Hao is lowkey the one that shows them more. Here's a few examples of him not letting Hanbin out of his sight and reaching for him.

It's just a few moments as there are so many I can't post everything.

And here's what I think about all this, it's a bit of a "rambling" but if anyone want to discuss it I'm open  

1 hour ago, pyunkangyul said:

 

Today is a day to be marked, they're getting bolder every day. I would like to note that every time things go down specially on Twitter they do something louder next such as posting selcas for the first time or Hanbin reaffirming in a way that Hao is  his soulmate. They keep showing signs that they are on social media too and clearly don't care about fans talking about their relationship.

32 minutes ago, pyunkangyul said:

So Hao got accused of being straight and doing lovestagram (or whatever it is for Twitter) because him and Ricky did Kiss of Life’s challenge and he posted a pic later with him putting his finger on his lips.

The OP of that tweet ended up deleting it because it got ratio-ed badly with tweets like this:

Today was so funny. Everyone gathered no matter the language to tell op that that man is gay. I think poor op deleted it at 3k qrts. Also here enjoy theses rare selcas of Hao and Hanbin having clearly an inkigayo date : 

 i'm not gonna talk about the sandwich theory

1 hour ago, time_less said:

ngl I saw someone say that flower is a rose (a nod to the little prince musical and zeroses) and I like both options

To be honest it really does look like a dandelion and it's pretty similar to the one he did on Hao's letter calling him a dandelion. It's pretty clear that Hanbin is very vocal about Hao, every content that we had so far he always compliments Hao and stare at him with proudness and love. ( let's talk about "soulmates, my other half, half of my soul in 4K). I wouldn't be shocked if it was really meant for Hao. Hao likes the attention that Hanbin gives him and let's be honest he loves the way Hanbin shows him off. Imo Hanbin can pass with this subtle love message as it can simply be read as a cute redrawing of his tattoo at first glance.  

7 hours ago, pyunkangyul said:

I was reading through some of the past posts in the thread for something (and then ended up getting lost because there were some interesting discussions) but something I kept noticing were people saying things like “would they really make it so obvious if they are (dating/gay/whatever)?” or things like “it’s not logical for them to date colleagues because of the risk”, etc. And while it’s true that idols dating in-group/other idols, and displaying it openly (straight, gay, otherwise) seems like a very stupid thing to do when you know how much backlash they’ll get if they’re caught. But I also want people to realize that a lot of these are in their late teens, early twenties, surrounded by beautiful people, probably lonely/hormonal, overworked and stressed out and thinking of a hundred things, been training since they were kids so they may not have the same common sense (displayed by the hundreds on scandals we’ve been witnessing). Plus love honestly makes everyone at least 50% dumber.

It feels like people are expecting them to always to do the “logical/reasonable” thing but I think you’re giving idols too much credit with that reasoning. Let’s think about it, there are idols who literally have openly been “lovestagraming”. Big example: Taeyeon and Baekhyun, a huge industry senior and a rookie who had just blown up with a massive fandom. And they were using oreos and hidden codes on their Instagrams to communicate lmao. Plus kissing in the front of the car in public spaces.

 

Now, I know when you bring sexuality into this, it’s a whole another layer. But I’m just saying, don’t assume that people are necessarily doing the “correct” thing. Because there are definitely a lot of idols doing shit that they shouldn’t even if they would get in a lot of trouble if they were caught. I’m not talking about anybody specific btw.

 

Maybe I’m talking into the void though since I’m sure the people who made those posts aren’t even here anymore lmao.

The first time I posted on this thread I tried to convey this thoughts with my poor English. To be honest since I've liked kpop for so long I've seen a lot of scandals where newly debuted idols were caught in dating news and I always wondered why they risked their career like that. As I grew older and also had a few professional experiences I realised that the majority of kpop fans view their idols as someone who can't make their own decisions , that all idols are "tamed" and follow the rules strictly. While I know some really respect them, it's most likely the majority do date in private and take the risks to get caught. It's important to note that compagnies hide their idols relationship if they haven't been caught even though they "broke" their no dating clause if they have one. When we add sexuality in question it's a bit harder but at the same time I do think it's easier for idols to date when they are gay or lesbians, because at the end of the day, majority of their fans would call it close friendship and they know it. Because they think they can't be gay as it will ruin their career. 
But they seem to forget that idols are just like you and me, they feel the same way as us, and you can't decide for them that they will never try anything if they like someone just because of their contract. Like I said in a earlier post, not only in the music industry but others too. You don't know what people can do for love ( or anything else really) because you are simply not them. 

If your coworkers break the no dating policy in your company, idols can too. It's a matter of hiding it well.

On 7/2/2023 at 3:55 PM, cristallodineve said:

This 

 

Kind of unrelated, but... There's still people around thinking that Suho Is straight? Sorry but he seems so obvious to me, just like Sehun. Not really sure about the others. I used to be pretty adamant about Baekhyun being bi but idk anymore.

Changing topic, what's the general consensus about Ateez's Seonghwa?

For EXO my opinion have not changed.I still think that Sehun, Kyungsoo and Suho might be queers. I forgot to answer when someone talked about Sojin and Kyungsoo . Back in the days ( 2014 or 2015 I think) I remember when few fans thought they were dating back then and the receipts  were that Sojin having painted nails with written I DO on it or that he was spotted with a women ( who could have been a manager as he was filming a movie at that time) with a pink shirt and Soojin had wore one months ago.  To be honest at that time I couldn't believe someone would think they were dating just because of this?  Idk since his debut Kyungsoo was clearly loved by the korean gay community and he does give queer vibes too. There's hasn't been any rumours since then and he has never show interest in women as far as I know.

About Ateez, I do think that Seonghwa is queer, alongside with Hongjoong which I think there's a good possibility that he is pan. I still have my doubts on the others members as they as a group are very private. What I know is that they are so supportive and that's cool.  
 

Lastly, I don't think I'm the only veteran kpop stan that had the sparks back with Boys Planet/Zero Base One. Besides the obvious Hao and Hanbin, I'm keeping an eye on Taerae as he was a bit flamboyant in Boys planet but the more days passes the more he pings me so we'll see. Still the same opinion on Jiwoong. It's cool that he seems to have a lot of fanboys too! 

Also I'm gonna take one for the team and talk about Hao and Hanbin. Shoot me if you want but with all of the things happening  before our eyes, all the moments  clearly cut by wakeone, all the behind the scene, the love they share by describing each other's, also for the time korean fans share a lot of moments happening when it's not filmed or when the attention isn't on them( I'm talking fan meeting or even bts from Camp ZeroBaseOne) that are "crazy" for just two "coworkers" . I don't know but for me it's obvious the two have something for each others. Whether they acted on it I don't know but they are clearly aware of it. Their eyes don't lie

Prince and Princess work too hard to let this thread die. So here's a little compilation of their moments from a few days ago

Don't know if this was posted yet but here another Sung Hanbin slay 

Hanbin choose Hao as his number one pick for the passenger seat. He may speaks as experiences as he already shared that they both went to eat at a restaurant together before. Passenger princess Hao confirmed

 Also it's too cute how his ears always turn red in seconds whenever he talks about Hao 

Thank you for creating the thread. I hope it will be a safe place for everyone. Let's not fight here and just enjoy their moments. 

 Here is a fun Iceberg, anyone wants to discuss about it ?

1 hour ago, sureyeahiguess said:

The gift Hao gave Hanbin for his bday is apparently meant as a gift for your significant other. It comes with stickers with lovey dovey phrases that you package and seal together with the throat candies. He apparently used the sticker that said “I’m so pretty you could die, right?”:
 

I can’t. Hanbin guessed who it was based on the letter and again referred to him as his “eternal half”. These two must be stopped.

I'm mostly on the kr twitter and it's really refreshing what this group is changing in the industry. From what I see, a lot of korean fans do find Hao feminine/delicate. Most of them actually! And since hao and hanbin are so close they seems to kinda accept it and there isn't much negative/homophobic comments ? Some of them even quote international fans and jokes with them. We're really in a new era. 
Btw about the gift, kr fans are wondering why they blurred the " To xxxxxxx  " from Hao's letter to Hanbin on Instagram and the Yujin reading Hao's letter thing too. 

Sorry about all the posts, I'm trying to make the thread lively again!

14 hours ago, sooa_t said:

thanks for your reply

his relationship with suzy was so quick that sometimes I suspect it was just for pr, like maybe for people to talk about him (unfortunately suzy was the most attacked one), but it's really weird someone his age not have anything, not rumors, nothing, in a recent interview he said that he plans to get married before 50 but he didn't seem too happy about it. 

I've comented before here about his relationship with gong yoo, and he pings me too, a fanpage posted a few days ago an old interview with him while filming coffee prince and he denied he was gay, but we all know artists are not going to confirm that, especially him at the beginning of his career.

I just started to get know siwan recently, so I don't know much about him, the other actors I've been paying attention now are ko kyoung-pyo and hong jung-hyun (all of his model friends too like lee soo-hyuk and kim young-kwang), but I don't know them that well, so if there are any fans here to say something...

oh and there's also woo do hwan that I asked about a few weeks ago and the actor ahn bo hyun

Tbh  I still think his relationship with suzy was probably at the start when they got caught and it simply didn't work out, I remember poor Suzy was attacked because she had dated two very much older men.

I've been thinking about Lee Soohyuk solely because of his relationship to G Dragon/Hoshi. I'm still not too sure about his sexuality but I wouldn't be surprised with either ones. 

Woo Dohwan I wanted to talk about him but I didn't because it's simply just a vibe that I get from him. I don't really have real proof. He's really cute/act cute in real life and seems like a  clingy person, but the thing is it's mostly with men.Since the King eternal I'm eyeing him. I wouldn't say he's queer for sure but I'm getting vibe here and there.  

On 6/10/2023 at 1:04 PM, time_less said:

lots of people interested, but nothing yet... how does one make a new thread? lmao

It's a shame I don't have access to create a new thread. It would have been so cool as there are so many wholesome moments to share. It's even more interesting to see that most of them happens behind the scenes and both of them seems to restrain themselves when they catch a camera or fans. I wish we could discuss them freely without annoying people in this thread or attract wrong people too. 

On 6/9/2023 at 8:31 AM, sooa_t said:

any tea on lee dong wook?

Sorry for the late reply! Well if I remember correctly he did "date" Suzy for a few months, and he had dating rumours with one of his co-star too, but nothing too serious. Tbh, I always thought that between him and his close friend Gong Yoo, Gong Yoo is the one that pings me the most. But for LDW, I think it's a bit weird that he's still not dating publicly or something ? Idk the guy has it all imo! so it's either he's dating secretly, probably a female, or he might be queer but I don't think so. He may simply doesn't want to get married or start a family too. Who knows. 
Besides Yoo ah in ( ) , the only actors that I follow and ping me are Yim Siwan ( since his ze:a days, and if I remember correctly there were few rumours back then, a tv host asked him what he thought about it and he was pretty chill. The tv host wasn't great tho as she kept asking him if he's gay and all...) , Gong Yoo, Seoham... Also Park Bogum is a big enigma. They're all I can think rn. What about your opinion ?  

boys planet was really a breath of fresh air, all the queer contents that we have now! I really like the fact that Hanbin isn't afraid to talk like that, knowing that i-fans alongside k-fans are aware about the fact that he and hao might be queer. Him and Haruto are the new standard of kpop idols for me. 

1 hour ago, Kpop_fan178 said:

I want to word this so that it won't start another war on this thread, but what impressions did taehyung dating jennie leave you? I am curios since we all believed him to be gay. Did this make you change some of your assumptions about other idols or people in general?

I am also curios about what do you think about sexuality and how do you guys perceive it. Recently a friend of mine who was out as gay since i knew him came out again as bisexual and although i am happy and glad he got to understand himself more, i am also very surprised since he told me he never had any interest in the op sex before. Do you guys think sexuality is fluid? And what was you experience with sexual fluidity in your lifetime since now? For me i always knew i am attracted to both sexes, although much more to the same sex, like 80% let's say and it always stayed that way since puberty to now.  

Well as I said in my previous post ( also sorry I don't know why the writing came out so big), it was a possibility that he was dating her, that being said, it doesn't completely erase all the receipts brought here. It can simply means that he likes both genders, maybe he's more into men, or more into women, we can't really know. As for me, it didn't change my opinion at all about any idols, it's like Heechul/Momo all over again, like, he's dating a girl? ok then it's a possibility that he's bi or pan or whatever suit them best. Doesn't mean that they're not into men at all. 
As for the fluid part. I'm totally on the positive part. I was very confused with my sexuality at first but as I grew up and dated or was attracted to someone I understood that my view changed a lot and I'm not only attracted to one gender but both. I guess it is really possible that with time, with meeting different people, environment or just simply growing up, we can question our sexuality and be more open about trying something else. ( sorry for my bad English I'm not sure if I explained my thoughts correctly here ) 

Side note: about the shipping post, the user missed my point, thai bl actors and fan service are a whole industry of it's own. It's known that it's their job to sell their ship and that it's most likely that they are just coworkers or friends at best. About 80% of those actors are just here for the money and fame. We can say the same for obvious ship pushed by the members themselves or the company who knows that they attract fans too. I was talking about the one that are more down low and where it's a possibility that at least one member or both are queer. 

Hello everyone, I have been reading the thread since a few years now, I think I started at page 260+? I was a silent reader and didn't really want to join in on the conversation as I don't really like to debate but now that the thread is a bit slow I thought why not and bring back a little bit of movement, so here I am. I'm gonna write for every group that I have either been a fan of, or that I saw a lot and am comfortable enough to tell my thoughts. English is not my first language and I'm trying to be as formal as I can. I have more than 12 years of liking kpop. I started kpop with Shinee so let's begin with them. ( This is my opinion don't be rude if you don't agree please) 

Anyway let's begin: 

-Shinee : do I have to talk about Key? Besides him, I really do think that Jonghyun was either bisexual or hetero curious. The others are either straight or good at hiding their sexuality. I only ever doubt Taemin once in a while but that's it. 

-Super Junior: Heechul always gave me bisexual vibes as he showed a lot of interest in both male and female. His relationship with his "best friend"and Momo comfort me in that choice. Siwon is a big enigma. He's so problematic but at the same time I'm wandering if it's not internal homophobia? He showed some signs of being interested to male before, but we know that he's a very religious person, and if you're gay and grew up in a religious family, you know how confusing and scary it can be. The others don't ping to me.  

-2pm/2am: Same thing as Key, do I have to talk about Jokwon? In 2pm, the ones that are making me questioning are Jun.K and Wooyoung. 

-Exo: About Sehun, I would be very surprised if he ends up straight. The way the members mentioned a lot the fact that he isn't interested in girls, the way he himself doesn't hide his attraction to men, his relationship with the chef a few years ago. I know he answered that question in the live but I always thought it was a way for him to get a diversion from the rumors or just simply to protect himself. The other one I'm pretty sure is Kyungsoo/D.O, I won't go into details but I'm pretty sure he is very attracted to men and is ok with his sexuality. The ones I'm questioning are Xiumin and Suho, mainly because of Leo and Suho's best friend. 

-Staying on the topic of Vixx: Leo is gay. They're just so much evidence. I have doubts about N, but I can see him as straight. -Bap: Daehyun? Nothing more to say it's just his vibes. 

-Infinite: Sungjong , don't have to explain. Woohyun is a question mark. 

-Got7: Well, I see Jackson Wang as someone who won't put too much thoughts about the gender of someone if he's really attracted to them. He's either pan or straight imo. 

- NCT: Ten is obvious. Taeyong too. The one that are questioning are Jaehyun, Jongwoo, Hendery, jeno and Jaemin. Note, I really do think that Doyoung's brother may be attracted to men.

 -BTS: oh boy. I'll start with Suga, it's obvious that he is bi, showed many signs till this day. Mainly because of his style and mannerisms, and personality overall, I'll say that it's a possibility that Jimin may be attracted to men. Taehyung/V, I know that it's a possibility that he is dating Jennie, but I'll be honest, I really thought that he was gay, of course it's possible that he likes both male or females, but I just can't remember any moments where he showed attraction to girls, on the other hand, the receipt for him being gay are endless, so it's very confusing. Namjoon/RM may be a surprise in the future but I'll say straight for now.

-Seventeen : Scoups, Joshua, Jun and Seungkwan . Well, it's the same, just a vibe. I remember scoups hinted at him being bisexual though

-The boyz: Q and New are gay it's obvious. I'm pretty sure Younghoon may be attracted to male too. Of course I won't talk about Kevin. Their ex member Hwall pings too. 

-Block B : The one that pings are Taeil and P.O. 

-Big Bang: G dragon is bisexual or pan. 

-Nues't: Ren, won't say more.

Now onto the "newer" groups: 

- Stray kids : Minho, I love how everyone seems to agree that he's gay but no one has concrete proofs! Felix gives me bisexual vibes, Hyunjin and Jisung are questions marks.

 -Ateez: what a fruit bowl of a group. Everyone but Yunho, Yeosang and Jongho are attracted to males for sure. I'm pretty sure that Hongjoong is the same as Suga. Overall they all seems pretty chill with their sexuality, which is great. 

-Enhypen: Sunoo is so comfortable with his sexuality it's so beautiful to see. I can see Sunghoon as attracted to both genders but he's less confident than Sunoo for sure. Heesung can ping sometime but I think that he is straight. 

- TXT: I agree with everyone, Soobin is so fruity there is no way is not gay. I'm eyeing is friendship with Q too.  Yeonjun is a question mark. I'm leaning towards attracted to both genders for now. 

At that point, those are the only boy groups that I stan for 12+ years. Then came boys planet and ZB1 as a breath of fresh air. So endearing to see a group like them being created in front of our eyes and loved by many. I'll end the post with this group. If you want an opinion for anyone else let me know. 

-ZB1 : Hao and Hanbin are the one I'm 150% sure they are gay. And them being respectively center and leader, oh how happy I was.  And it's beautiful to see the mutual feeling they have for each others, no matter if they acted on it or not. Their mirror/soulmates thing is so pretty. Two gay men on top of the new generation, lovely. As for the others, Jiwoong is attracted to male, you don't have to question is relationship with Seobin to see if he likes men or not, just search for his older contents from his old groups and you'll see. Him being a bl actor is a bonus. Taerae pings me. That's all. 

Well if you read everything thank you so much for your time. I hope I didn't make any big mistakes and I sincerely hope that I didn't offend anyone. See you ! 

Side note: After encountering many podcasts where gay korean people talk about being lgbt in Korea and in the industry, I have to say this. I know shipping isn't well received here, but we can't deny that it's possible that a member can develop feelings for a fellow member, people fall in love with  their coworkers everyday , some even risk their careers with fraternising, and no one bats an eye if we think about it. It's bound to happen. Ships, they are a factor to take account when you're discussing an idol's sexuality. Some of you won't even consider to talk about an Idol sexuality because the receipt are from a ship. Being an idol doesn't mean you're suddenly not human. You see them everyday too, you're bound to develop feelings, it's natural. Some are better at hiding than others, that's all. They're all human, if they both have mutual feelings, it can be possible that they act on it at different point. I have to say though, of course I'm not talking about the delusional ships that are made up just for fantasy. I'm just talking in general, they are idols that are dating outside of their groups, and some within to a certain extent. It's life, we don't know what people can do for love  ( I'm open to talk about it in DM, don't attack me I won't answer in public and make the thread a fighting place)