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The debunk is not for the top two photos. It’s only for the first photo. It came from a predebut MY that have also linked the social media site of the owner of that photo above as proof (afair, the owner of the photo is SOUTH EAST ASIAN). However, that was also an invasion of privacy so eventually it was also deleted. Aespresso(?) on twtter also shared that that’s why i’ve seen that post. But that account is gone alrd. I also dont get dragging karina for her 2nd photo . i also think people should stop spreading that she did incredibly many PS from her elem -> hs insta days aside from eyes and nose slimming, her cheek fats and mandible bone/fat slimming can be atteibuted to both orthodontics and puberty. also giselle on lip fillers? I don’t think so, lol. I actually a[preciate her using just makeup for it even if looks mustach-y when she does selfies.

That pic of “karina” has been debunked already to be a random stranger that just happens to have some of her features. She has other predebut pictures going as far as elementary.

Well yes, this has been her nose for the past years, no? I honestly dont know what you guys want from Winter. Like make her go under the knife again and then perhaps have like half of kpop community drag her again for her “new nose” just as much as what kpop idols already have to go through for these PSes.

Debut to now! That’s where I dont see any changes

has giselle changed anything at all? I can’t see anything yet. Im desperately trying to find some previous raw photos of her too but i dont follow her that much. The new photos she posts on bubble with minimal makeup looks the same with her “old” minimal makeup pics. I personally think the change is mostly in the eyes, but if you look closely she still has hooded eyes, however the eyeliner is far better than her previous ones. This one actually has a shape and not the boxy eyeliner dhe had before. https://x.com/aespanim/status/1705555215544709584?s=61&t=_3I0c28nmttzFjw2blgZRw

I mean yea, but the problem is never her misaligned teeth. It’s the smaller teeth and she has a few gaps in between the sides of her teeth (i’ve always noticed it whenever she smiles LMAO ) which veneers does fix.

Karina getting braces again instead of veneers thank god. I wonder if other idols were given the same options but didnt want to commit for final results and instead opted for more immediate one.

LOL and thinking that these people that looks absolutely nothing like frankenstein and comparing them to a stitched monster is totally normal behavior! Not dehumanizing at all!!!

…just where is Debut!Taemin in Anton? LMFAO the similarity couldn’t be any more vague facially. Or do ya just want to use cloning in a sentence structure?

Riize Anton looks more like ITZY’s Chaeryoung than Taemin. The only similarity is his personality and the hairstyling. Like atp, it’s the plastic surgery kpop stans that’s keeping the “obsession” they want alive. I genuinely think that you dont think these people as actual people the way you all casually throw “uncanny” and “cloning”.

https://www.pannchoa.com/2023/08/enter-talktheqoo-why-is-wonbins-chin.html im betting as hell many of the people who stalk here are in this comment section spouting obvious stereotypes from SM. Like wdym he looks like this? It couldn't stray more far off from his facial shape. And knetz were bashing him for his angular jaw, not the fckass jaw shave that yall like to stereotype on these people just because they’re on SM. This community, both pannchoa and some people in here reeks a lot of shade that keeps reinforcing stereotypes and seem to just hide beneath the banner of “let’s normalize talking about PS” and then proceeds to write condescendingly. and im so sorry but wonbin doesnt look like jaejoong, please look at jaejoong more. This man looks like Minji more than jaejoong. Ya saw a korean man with a 2000s hair and think it looks like another korean man. Please let’s think a lil bit about how fcked up it sounds.

And btw i forgot to add this, but here is an article from University of Michigan about how Uncanny Valley played a devastating effect to the very notions of prejudice and racism in our history. http://websites.umich.edu/~uncanny/implic.html here’s an excerpt for you guys since a user here very much gave yall the very definition of uncanny valley phenomenon. ”Prejudice as seen in the uncanny valley response has a much different meaning when applied to HUMAN BEINGS rather than robot.” “When a group is portrayed as less-than-human, the stage is set for violence” For a bunch of english speakers with access to internet, i was giving the benefit of the doubt ever since ive mentioned like last month ago how “uncanny” is rly inapplicable to these kpop idols. TBH, no wonder k-pop stans say the vilest things especially in regards to plastic surgery. And unsurprisingly, many of the users here quotes pannchoa and tiktok as well. Lol.

Yes exactly. Uncanny valley is something you feel from the inherent difference between a human and something that you feel isn’t. and im so sorry but none of these idols are giving it LOL. Especially when we watch this people interact with their fans? I’d get it if you find the uncanny valley in, let’s say this idol is uncanny in a way that they might be a serial k*ller LOL. But uncanny because they got a Plastic Surgery that’s not even remotely far off from real human anatomy? That’s what puts me off LOL. Like I genuinely want to laugh when I imagine yall SHUDDER because a pretty idol got PS. wonyoung gets lip fillers: “omg she’s sooo uncanny” so what’s uncanny with Wonyoung? That she might be a living doll faking everything to seem human because of lip fillers? LMAO

Didnt mean to be it’s fine tho i was just passionate about this LOL. Uncanny Valley is something ive read often and it’s actually very much utilized in literature and visual media. Back then there was this internet craze of “this man” which was my first encounter with uncanny. Uncanny valley is more similar to eldritch/cosmic horror than an aesthetic tbh.

Im not just talking about body proportions. Im also talking about the face. TBVH there’s literally no sense in saying uncanny in here when none of yall can objectively pinpoint what’s uncanny. You say Wonyoung is Uncanny and then on the other hand say that Karina is also uncanny when they’re literally polar opposites of like visual spectrum (karina has smaller eyes in comparison to kpop visuals, doesnt have a petite nose, etc), and people say her face shape is weird, but it literally isn’t weird for me LOL. Like i know she got that chin shaved, but it’s still on realms of being realistic considering her facial height isn’t even tall in the first place. And plenty of natives in my area have the same face shape (heart-ish face shape) with varying chins. U say some of these people with gaunt cheeks from buccal fat removal uncanny, then say the same for people with literally chubbiest cheeks (wonyoung winter). and then i stumble into “riize uncanny” like i saw people calling wonbin or that man i quoted as uncanny and i was like… how? Like is the criteria is “plastic surgery”, “SM”, or whoever K-netz praise as top visual? LMAO. im sorry but there’s no difference to me between Karina or Minji even if the latter is what people say “looks more natural” LOL. The concept of uncanniness is so abstract like atp it’s just a drag to whoever u wanna call it. in the first place “uncanny valley” isn’t a phenomenon about pretty damn people. Robots are SCIENTIFICALLY AND OBJECTIVELY uncanny valley even if it’s ugly.

Giselle have always looked fully japanese to me ever since their debut tho. It’s unmistakeable for me. they recently did a concert and this is one of her looks wherein her upperlips weren’t overlined and glossy. It pretty much looks the same and still thinner than her bottom. One thing i notice tho is she’s getting leaner and leaner (as in not reduction in weight and size but more on she’s becoming more toned up). https://x.com/aespanim/status/1691051389831770112?s=46&t=PTJ-5qzRSDFirjynedS0qA

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/breast-binding#risks only when done unsafely (using wrong materials). Good binders are fine but u need to take it off everyday.

Yea but some ppl clowning me for saying he looks like he didnt shave his jaw lol. And he literally looks human to me. What even is “uncanny” for this forum? It seems yall learned the word uncanny and just attached it to almost everybody. Th. Tell me when an idol looks like this and i’d definitely agree with u.

first of all, that force is enough to tighten your body and even breast. So idk why are you saying “you need to have big breast to have lumps”? That’s not the point. It’s one piece of clothing damn. It’s not “all that”, it’s an underwear. sure, but bounce that’s enough to actually move weight of heavy ass bras, clothes and even chestpieces is not something a small breast can do, be fr. If she’s flat or small chested and all that bounce were from her paddings, you’d see the paddings bounce, not the whole ass chest LOL. And bras don’t bounce like it has weight to it. It’s a cloth. This is just silly because ure out here thinking Karina fakes this phenomenon by adding padding and weights on her bra so it could look like a real breast. Instead of actually believing that she uses a one piece of cloth to bind her chest. I promise you, if there’s a physicist in idols team enough to do that, u’d see way more “big chested” idols.

She looks like she doesn’t even have a body on the 2nd pic of water bomb. Like what tf is that kind of editing? and this is so damn dumb. Like u can see the amount of fats that’s being squished on the pictures, right? look how tight it is on her belly and armpits area lol. Do you think that her breast are actually the 2nd pics wherein it’s flat? Like are we being fr now? After we’ve seen videos of it bouncing like pretty much everytime even when she’s wearing incredibly tight bras. we’re living in 21st century and still people dont know the existence of binders? Or are u guys just incredibly straight u forget binders for FTM exists? boobs are flexible lump of fats. Not some hard silicone that maintains it shape. Yall just look clowns atp

I really dont think they fucked up his jaw? Look at his facial width when he was young, his face was obviously slimmer and longer. Like if we’re being objective here, it’s quite literally the opposite of what SM has done to idols like Yuta. Eunseok(?)’s face is visibly wider and his jaw is way way stronger and more prominent. and i dont think he looks uncanny. He looks human to me LMAO. I think the screenshots are super awkward? Like mid-motion, obviously the face is gonna look super awkward. From what I can see on the video, he also has a strong cheekbones that shows when he smiles. i think tho that this one is just a bad joker smile case. But overall, he looks better and definitely not the level of hyunjin/yeonjun lips.

It’s time people stop saying Wonbin got Jaw shaving on some of these comments and articles. he looks like he got more of jaw implant than shaving. But like that’s me saying it because ive only seen liek few predebut. His jaw could very well be natural, but can kinda see the chin reshaping. it also looks like his eyes are now deeper set. Could be natural or there was reshaping on forehead and nose. Forehead looks pretty natural, but i saw some of his more grown pics and his forehead looks rounder and less protruding but he has a nicely formed jaw (the chin and eyes looked edited on those pics tho). his eyes are definitely PS, like majority of it,

Anton doesn’t look like he’s had his Jaw done tbvh. For the nose job, i dont think it looks bad tho? I still think the overall appearance still looks like his old pictures.

Ever since that loss of face fat (some say buccal, some say it’s just diet + aging) and that one inner eye corner, she literally looks just the same as girls-era. Like how are you guys getting fooled by her MUA changing the eyeliner to a much lower wing and filling in her outercorner with eyeshadows? They also opted out the aegyo-sal makeup (they used to do this one during thirsty/girls variety show promotions afair). edit: saw a makeup on her first hyperline and yea the makeup is too different. Thicker brows, more highlights and glitters and subtle aegyo sal makeup. The wing was also much higher instead of the current one which was dragged down and winged.

Karina’s eyebrows and eye makeups have pretty massive differences depending on styling based on what ive seen so far. I personally think her eyes aren’t massive unlike idols like Wonyoung or more recently Taeyeon. The same with Winter’s eyes, it’s actually relatively small with others. but the makeup changes based on concepts really plays a massive change on how they look. Just look at the difference of downturned eyeliner Karina (Black Mamba) vs an upturned eyeliner one (Next Level), imo it’s pretty massive. Also the stylist finally putting in blush in their faces is such a massive change too, they look more alive & bright. Most famously the eyebrow changes in black mamba is massive! i think out of aespa members, only Ning and Giselle have pretty big eyes.