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exactly. even the eyebrow shape is exactly the same?? if this isn't karina: then so can't be any of these (which are all her obviously but also the girl in the top two pics) i get that she doesn't look her best in those two pics and it is annoying that ppl keep using her most unflattering pics to tear her down online... but that doesn't make the photos be someone else?

asking out of curiosity because i saw people say this on twitter as well. when and how was that debunked? can someone send me a link/source?

some of the pre-debut pics you came across are after she had surgery already (pretty sure she had her eyes, nose, and probably some jaw work done before entering SM) and some others where captured in motion when she was pulling her face down a bit to make it look more oval shaped ig. But i think it's pretty obvious that she had a jaw shave. maybe other stuff on top of that but her change was way too big for no jaw shave imo. like, she has a whole new face shape now. before: now:

actually. those pictures with her "flat" chest are from waterbomb. When it was announced that aespa would perform there many fans expressed concern about the potential sexualization of Karina's body/breasts (which is an issue that probably concerns her and her team quite a lot). It's very obvious that they tried to bind down her chest for that schedule.so yea. they probably did all that to hide her breast

I think he might have used filler in the past?? But I'm not sure. Men's chins can be tricky to judge, some square up quite a lot some not that much. He always had a quite pointy chin so that doesn't make it easier. But looking at his side profile from the last three days. his chin looks not suspicious at all. also a frontal as an extra: (frontals are the ones that confuse me the most. From the side you can see that he has a very small/weak jaw line. But from the front with certain angles his jaw looks so much more squarish? like, when you see him irl his face looks tiny?) from when he was almost 16:

He was 14. They asked a 14 year old child to go under the knife. Like, no more speculation. Chenle just confirmed they do that. I never want to hear age as an excuse again. To add to this, I'm glad he also mentioned in his bbl message that he doesn't want to get anything done now. Last summer he said during a livestream that he's thinking about trying out double eyelid or nose surgery. So, I'm glad that he seems to have changed his mind. source (he talks about it at around 52:30 for about 2minutes):

ig it would be better if you provided before and after pictures when you want to start a discussion of possible procedures? instead of just saying something without any backup. like, tell us where you got the idea from. Not everyone here is up to date with every single idol. So, give us pics what they looked like before and now. (Also, you are one of the people in this thread who keeps insulting idols for their ps and their looks. Calling them voldemort and shit like that. Maybe you have made youself some enemies. I, for one, am not a big fan of yours tbh)

the thing is he rarely has extreme triangular nostrils. Most of the time (usually off-stage) his nose looks totally normal. I think he just used different sizes of those clips. Like in the studio choom schedule you used in your original post his nose looks super extreme triangular and pinched. But during other days at around the same time his nose looks less so. And even now months later. During some performances his nose still has that triangular/pinched inclination but not to that extreme. a few days ago: earlier this year: like, here are two videos from two days apart which are from around the time of the studio choom schedule. In the one with the white sweater his nose looks more pinched than in the one with the black sweater. But in both examples his nose looks less extreme and pinched than in the studio choom video/photos. I'm not saying he never had any nosejobs. About that idk. But the extreme triangular nostrils are definitely not a result from a nosejob as they aren't even permanent. I could image that after years and years of using the clips he wanted to get it done but the result was too minor for him so he just continues to use the clips. (keep in mind he was only 14 when he debuted. there's no way adjusting his face all the time didn't lead to ps consideration) or he could be switching between different sizes of those clips or whatever he uses.

all those picture are from the last 2-3 months (like, I literally chose the first few pics on my timeline so some are even from today/yesterday depending on your timezone) While the gif you linked is from around March. And he's suspected to have been using the nose clips since debut. wider/round nose: triangular nose: based on the outfit and styling the photos could be from the same day. For the reason why he does it: He has mentioned before that he wants a higher nose. Which is what those clips are meant to temporarely create. edit: he has a few insecurities: his eyes (he finds them too small), his nose (wants it to be higher), and his head (wants it to be smaller... which he can't change). Jisung sweetie, you look great

jisung's nose was discussed not too long ago. Whatever is going on with his nostrills it doesn't seem to be permanent. His nose looks fine most of the time. But during some schedules his nostrils look extreme despite looking totally fine later in the day or the next, which is why many here speculated that he uses these nose clips. which can create a triangular nostril shape.

I feel so bad for commenting again. I usually don't participate much here. But omg Winter just sent this pic on bbl from when she was 12? She looks so much more like she does now compared to some other pre-debut pics?? (ok. some ppl really used the most unflattering pictures of her to talk about her ps but still) The pic is pretty grainy so idk if it was possible to edit it beforehand? I think a few days ago someone on here asked if she possibly got a revision for her nose? idk about that, but I for sure can say I prefer her nose a lot more with less make up. sometimes the highlighting, etc. her moas put on her make her nose bridge even sharper and plastic

you don't have to believe it you don't want to. I see a clear and obvious difference. If you don't see it. that's fine. you do you. His nosejob is one of the most praised ones on here idk what your problem is. lol No one is making fun of him. Are people not allowed to discuss surgeries that were only minor? What kind of logic is that. "It's not worth talking about and shouldn't count because it was only a few millimeters" 1-2mm can make all the difference in a face. He looks a lot more balanced now. His nose is more refined. (about the fansite previews: you yourself said fansite previews should be used and then you didn't use one? I personally prefer using previews as they are usually unedited and just posted quickly after the event took place, sometimes even during the event) If you can't take other people's opinions on this topic this thread might not be for you. When I see something I disagree with on here, even after I made my point and shared my opinion, I just ignore it.

previews would be better. But you used a final edit from a fansite, which are just as bad as official photoshoot edits lol. Back in 2013 some casual posts weren't as notoriously photoshopped by companies as they are nowadays. like, come on now. from this: to this: a lot of idol surgery is a matter of millimeters. It's not unusual and makes it more difficult to spot. His nose is just... finer. He didn't change the shape or got an implant or anything. He probably just took a few millimeters away to make it more defined.

both Mark and Haechan look like the double schedules are getting to them health-wise. Mark always looked a bit more skinny in his face but idk. lately it seems worse. I mean, two full album promotions and two tours seems ridiculously much. I remember that time when Mark revealed that he keeps eating and eating but just can't gain weight... boy... that's your body telling you you're stressed out and need to slow down. Ig the same is happening with Haechan. It was revealed they had to get IV drips too.

I believe it is. He always had a pointy chin. especially when laughing/smiling

he used to have one mono-lid and one double eyelid. So he got his eyes evened out. other than that I don't think he had anything surgical done. he always had one crooked nostril ever since childhood.

wasn't there an ex-idol (i don't remember who maybe way from crayon pop?) who said that as good as every idol had their teeth done (veneers/crowns, or whatever it's called) and they even said it's one of the main reasons shooting have to get paused because of little accidents like the one you mentioned where they then go and get a temporarily quick fix or something. I vaguely remember hearing a story like that.

idk if he gets filler or not. (if anyone in dream gets them it would probably be him) but using a teaser image is a bit unfair tho: and that first pic is from his Unicef visit to Vietnam in october 2018. some more from those days:

idk what you mean with lately like, this year? or past few months? weeks?? this was him during a fan sign/call yesterday: during beatbox shoot when was this?? May? April? idk: December last year: early 2021:

that's a retouched picture. the original: but yeah. I'm not even sure if the girl on the left is the same as the girl on the right? The quality of the pic on the right is too bad to see anything but it could be Miyeon?? idk. the left one doesn't look like her at all tho.

seems like make-up. Here without any:

Just because you went to school with asians doesn't mean that you necessarily have a good overview of what asian's busts can look like???? You said yourself you live in a western country. I don't think visiting Korea/Japan for a few days is enough to make such statement about their bodies. Karina's bust isn't even that big. If you take away her stylist's bras and padding you're left with a only slightly bigger than average bust size imo.

damn. that stuff looks kinda dangerous.

people. Can we stop insulting and shaming idols for their surgeries in this thread? This was supposed to be a place where you can freely discuss ps WITHOUT degrading idols. Some comments on here just are straight up disrespectful. And directing the blame at companies or surgeons doesn't make it less of an insult about the idols' face.

the picture you linked is edited tho. They edited out his nose bump. here same era, but unedited photo: edit: here photos of the same shoot/schedule as the photo that was linked: