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I like how he looks now too, at least most of the time. I'm just saying that the amount of make up they put on him really makes him look "fake," so that's why so many people think he's gotten a ridiculous amount of ps when he hasn't gotten that much.

http://onehallyu.com/index.php?/topic/23196-official-plastic-surgery-thread/ In case you're still looking for it

I'm totally okay with idols/people getting ps (in fact I quite actively stalk the plastic surgery thread) and I really don't think Taemin has gotten any surgical procedures since he got the nose job a while back. Maybe botox or something else minor, idk. It really is just too much make up/terrible styling that makes him look weird.

It's just his make up that has been "off." when he wears less of it, he looks completely fine/how he used to.

I still really like the black hair. I don't want it to go. ;-; no why do you have to remind me why why why D':

Black haired Key makes me feel things I never knew I could feel. I hope he keeps it for a while longer.

It's great that you're opening up to yourself about it. I guess I've kind of been in denial about my own orientation for a while. When I was a kid growing up, I thought boys and masculinity was really gross and I didn't like them at all. I thought girls looked much prettier than guys. When I was a preteen I was literally dreading the point I would develop an attraction to guys. (I didn't want to be "boy crazy" like most teenage girls I had seen) In high school, I did start seeing guys "differently" but I think that might have been just because I was overly conscious of it, I assumed I could not be anything but straight , and I just never spent any time with guys in general, so they were "foreign" to me. I wasn't really ever interested in dating/doing anything else around them though, I was just nervous. I remember I actually had a lot of people ask me if I was gay in 9th and 10th grade because I never seemed to be interested in boys and I just denied it and didn't really consider it a possibility. But I can't say I was interested in dating girls either. I felt more comfortable/admired their appearances more, but I couldn't really see myself doing anything with them either. As time passed, some part of me kind took on the "bi" label because I couldn't say I liked boys more than girls but I never bothered telling anyone cause I didn't feel like dating anyone anyways. But then I revisited the possibility that I could be asexual. I visited a couple of sites/communities and I clicked so much a lot of it, but not all of it. Some days I feel like I could be completely ace because everything involving sex/relationships grosses me out, but other days I feel like it doesn't seem that bad. But when I'm in an even remotely sexual situation in real life I invariably get grossed out. I wonder if it's just an "inexperienced" thing or a more permanent thing. I'm pretty sex-negative (concerning myself) in general, even though I grew up in a very liberal area and no one ever told me that sex was "bad." I could call myself "greysexual" like some people do in ace communities but I feel like that's such a "special snowflake" label that I'm very hesitant to take it.... Anyways no one asks me about it or wants to date me so I guess it doesn't even really matter. My romantic orientation is even more confusing because romantic love as opposed to platonic/friendship love is all a big ???? to me... Anyways I somehow related to your post and realization. Congrats to you on figuring it out (sort of) and good luck for whatever the future will bring you. ^^

It does in a way, but it also doesn't really depending on what % of the overall male population is feminine. One being low doesn't stop the other from being high and vice versa, because there are also other factors in play.

You say that the percent of gay men who are feminine is fairly low. That means you cannot generalize that gay men are feminine. However, if the percent of feminine men who are gay is high, you can generally assume that if a man is feminine there is a high chance of him being gay. See the difference? The 2nd statistic would be much more applicable to us here than the first one.

Actually, no it isn't. I think you posted somewhere that 15% of gay men are feminine. But, if the percentage of feminine men who are gay is much higher ( 70, 80%), then that would definitely tell you something. If a majority of men who are feminine are gay, then it's not completely unwarranted to assume that a feminine man might be gay.

Heck I'm a girl and I barely bother shaving my legs unless I know for sure I'm planning on wearing a dress/shorts the next day, which is not often at all. I do find hairy legs to be pretty gross on both genders though...

:omgwtf:  :omgwtf:  :omgwtf:  :omgwtf:  :omgwtf:  :omgwtf:   A question for both genders. If you could have chosen your sex from birth, would you choose the same sex you are now or the opposite one? 

Oh yeah of course I'd love to be a boy for longer too tbh.   I'd love to see both sides of the coin, and how different being a male really is. If I could have chosen my sex at birth, I would have definitely 100% chosen being a guy.

*Non hetero female who is a perpetual lurker in this thread*

I don't care. If you're beautiful and you're famous just because you're beautiful, more power to you. Do what you want to be successful in life, if that involves sexy clothes/dancing, whatever. I'd be lying if I said I didn't like certain celebrities (mostly) because they look good.

For me, the problem isn't that I listen to music from another country. It's the fact that it's idol music, boy/girl groups covered in ridiculous amounts of make up with ridiculous concepts and synchronized dancing. It feels kind of, I dunno, childish in a way? If it were 1D or Justin Bieber, I would probably hide it just as much. I'm not ashamed of liking it myself, it's just not the kind of thing I like showing to other people because it is a bit..out there, if you know what I mean.

I don't know why but this whole post was very inspirational for me. I'm very closeted about my love for Kpop and other Asian entertainment and usually I'm fairly embarrassed of myself when I bring it up to other people. It's really nothing to be ashamed about but I can't help it sometimes. Maybe eventually I'll get over that.

I'm interested to see if only 15% of gay men are effeminate, what percentage of effeminate men are gay/bi? I'm guessing that the percentage of gay men who are effeminate is much higher than the percentage of straight men who are effeminate, but I don't have any actual statistics to back it up.

Regina is bringing up some valid points. No need to mindlessly bash someone for having a different opinion than yours...

How are we supposed to know if we think about it more if we're just women.  :derp: It obviously depends on the person, but imo I don't think they think about it less, they just have a different view on it?

You can't really see it in this video, but Jonghyun got down on the floor to bow at 2:02~... Is that a normal thing to do? Seems a bit too formal... Maybe it's because it was New Year?

Ur, I think I've posted here a couple of times but I'm such a chronic lurker that I forget no one knows who I am. I check the thread so often but I post really rarely. My name is Yana and I live in the US and I'm JongKey biased, but lately Taemin has been climbing my bias list higher and higher... Anyways, I hope everyone has a wonderful 2014!

Wow so many new people lately... Welcome to everybody and Happy New Year!

Seriously, compared to RDD and Lucifer era he looks so much younger now...