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  1. More backhanded insults :)

    I am an international fan and have no problem understanding the supremacy of IU in S.Korea. She has already done all the 'stealing' so SOKOR will be glad to hand over the goods to her.

    It is Korean awards given by Koreans to their singers, why should i-fans matter?

    BTW what is 'Swedish tomboy' - BbiBbi?

    As to Twice post you had made in 2017, here enjoy this fan-content 

     

  2. With Flower Bookmark 2, she already has proved that she is unfazed by BTS, releasing an almost un-announced/un-promoted Autumn Morning when BTS had announced to drop DNA. So meh.

    As to physical sales, she never was big on it, Lilac seems an exception than norm. Physicals anyway are purely fandom driven, only fans buy as a collectible swag, even if the never listen off a physical player. Her lack of physical sales itself is proof that her immense digital success is GP driven.

    If she does to Aespa, whatever you imagine Cho Yongpil, then Aespa should be happy, because Psy is doing fantastic, building himself to be a major impresario with many talents signed up to him.

    What do I think apart from that?

    Well, I hope the person whom you 'claim' has contributed nothing, contributes something soon, which makes you further fuss and worry about Kpop's future and wish S.Korea discards her etc.

  3. Assessing Kakao M merely by the musical acts/labels under it, is a poor way to judge it. It has a huge chunk of the Music distribution market, owns Melon etc. Its revenues are not dependent on in-house labels or subsidiaries alone -even if one of them is the giant IU.

    Do you think the projected IPO valuation of Kakao M, 18 billion dollars is just because of IU, come on?

    As to Lim Youngwoong, I am betting on IU doing a collab with him soon, which should bring out fantastic lamentation pieces from you. 

    I look forward to those. 

     

  4. On 9/3/2021 at 12:28 PM, hynapia said:

    #1 can be applied to a lot of groups actually: Dreamcatcher, Loona, Everglow, Ateez, Stray Kids, Treasure, etc. All these groups have a big international fanbase but they barely chart in Korea. Maybe Loona and recently SKZ (since Kingdom) are getting their name out there but until recently they were basically unknown in Korea.

    And #2 was pretty much BTS. Before they exploded in Korea, 90% of their fanbase was international.

    For #1, it is a matter of sales - do these groups make more money outside Korea than in Korea? Even if they don't chart in the top 100/200s?

    #2, that is incorrect. BTS was very popular in Korea, it is nonsensical to pitch them as underdogs when in 2013 itself, the year of their debut, they got the Rookie of the Year in MMA. 

    But yes currently there would be more i-fans than k-fans, but that should not be seen in absolute numbers. S.Korea after all is a small country with about 50 million, even if 10% are fans it is only 5 million, whereas even if 0.5% of China are fans, that is also 5 million and you add all other countries, then obviously there will be more i-fans. 

     

  5. These speculations between i-fans and k-fans is meaningless, until

    #1. There is K-pop act only popular internationally and are a failure in Korea

    #2. Or at least a K-pop act which got famous internationally, before they succeeded in S.Korea

    Neither has happened yet, to claims that 'i-fans' are not driven by what Koreans think.

    Yknocker is as usual doing some delusional knocking.

    Brave Girls had little chance of being on the top tier, given their ages and trends in the industry.  They will make good money for couple of years and then either fade or transition into acting or something.

     

  6. Every time IU achieves a new feat, you start writing hopefully she will be denied the remaining ones.. the most recent was Melon Year #1 and you hoped for Rollin to block it for months and now that is not happening, it has become a Pyrrhic Victory is it?

    It is more like you have 'sour grapes' syndrome.

    Still it is good to read your imaginations. When was the first time you predicted "IU's iron group over Kpop loosened".. Laboum, BOL4, SiSTAR? 

    Given that she has been ruling for 10+ years, far above the average longevity in Kpop, it seems IU takes pleasure in debunking your predictions of her failing. So please keep doing so, for others are bit worried she might retire. Epilogue's lyrics gave a bit of a scare, she talks about being less a workaholic, has talked about marriage etc.

    Maybe your barbs, will keep her interested, if only she notices them.

     

  7. On 7/24/2021 at 6:22 PM, JNT-LEGGO said:

    It's been established quite a bit over the years that just selling music puts way more money in the company's pockets than the idols. The most surefire ways for idols to make big money are:

    1. Writing/producing their own stuff

    2. Touring like crazy

    3. CF deals.

    So BTS, TWICE and Mamamoo are probably RICH AS FUCK!

    Red Velvet and Blackpink, definitely not poor, they're probably not super rich.

    Are you ranking the revenue streams, then I would think

    Most profitable: CF deals/endorsements

    Second: Tours/concerts

    Third: Producing, songwriting, lyrics.

    On this I agree with @Yknocker IU probably ranks among the top. 

    CF queen of course, produces/lyrics for most of her songs, as a soloist need not split earnings and I agree with the speculation that she probably owns more of her company, than revealed - so probably retains 50-60% of the revenues, as compared to popular groups BTS/BP members maybe getting only 5-10% of their revenue. Suga/RM might get more when they produce.

    Comparable case is G-Dragon.

    Just being a performer, even in a super popular group, will not make the person super-rich on that levels.

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  8. 27 minutes ago, Yknocker said:

    JYP is technically not the CEO of JYP Entertainment

    YG is technically not the CEO of YG Entertainment

    Yoon Jongshin is technically not the CEO of Mystic.

    Even Hitman Bang Shihyuk gave up the seat of CEO, letting someone else run the day to day operation while he , retaining just the title of Chairman.

     

     

    That is standard in Korean entertainment industry where the CEO is the person meeting the bankers and other company figures, when the chief figure is too busy doing something else. It is unusual that Antenna 's  CEO is Yoo Heeyeol, which might be why Antenna is not going anywhere.

     

    It is likely that Lee Jieun exchanged her shares in KakaoM with her stake at Edam.

     

    She herself competed against the three major companies and Hybe for a long time so she deserves to be in this list

    You should add JYP is technically not the CEO - NOW.

    But anyway the point of the post, was to setup and run a company as the authority of final decision, whatever the designation is called - CEO, Chairman, President etc.,

    That IU is not 'officially', whereas the others are, or at least 'were'.

    Though unofficially, it is already reported that LOEN staff were calling IU as 'Chairman' only half-jokingly

  9. On 7/18/2021 at 7:55 AM, Yknocker said:

    She ran her own division since 2015 ,when she was 22, and she effectively founded her own company on 2020. So that is a true statement.

    De facto vs. De Jure.

    On paper, she is not the CEO of any company. Of course as the single act under EDAM (until recently) or consistently the dominant earner for Kakao M, she would have immense influence on the companies. Yet that does not make her the CEO.

    Even if you allege that she owns 60% of EDAM via proxies or my speculation that she owns good stake in Kakao M and maybe Antenna etc. Still does not make her the CEO.

    And there is a world of difference between what LSM,YG,JYP, BH achieved  - starting companies in nascent industry, particularly the first 3 against running an established company.

    Age alone is not a factor in that.

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  10. On 7/10/2021 at 8:23 AM, Yknocker said:

     

    BTS will rule spotify for a while, but the change has been made . Newer KPop acts now aim for spotify, and Melon has become a junior league. Rollin was the last major song to be big in Melon before it became a league for also rans.

     

    Napoleon has no legacy now, but the Duke of Wellington (now the 9th) is still around as seen in this photo with Prince Charles of UK

     

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    Biological offspring are not the way to measure the 'legacy' of famous people, but the impact they had upon history and society.

    Then some randy sheikh in Arabia might have far more offspring and more generations, than many a world shaker.

     

     

  11. All things eventually pass.

    So you keep predicting the "defeat/retirement" of IU, on regular basis, since how many years?, linking it to every event associated to Kpop, someday your prediction will come true.

    Your basic premise is not wrong, Kpop needs to internationalize, given how small the Korean market is. 

    But what you don't explore is, that any such expansion will come with more dilution of what makes Kpop unique and also far more competition. After the initial novelty period, maybe a few Kpop acts will arrive at the top of charts, but most will not - IU or not IU.

    How long do you think BTS will rule Spotify ? or even any Kpop act?

    All things eventually pass. And after 13 year - 10 years at the top of her field, quite long for the field, IU's legacy is secure.

    After all more people look at Napoleon with admiration than Wellington and remember Wellington only in the context of Napoleon.

     

     

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  12. 3 minutes ago, Oriane said:

     I’m not saying I’m an expert but no need to be one to know that they must not be that good if they’re training BTS and Twice lol. 

    Also anyone with some knowledge will tell you IU ain’t that good. Breath support is the most important thing in singing yet she strains pretty early. Sandeul is a fantastic vocalist but IU ? Not really. And that’s ok.

    Emotions have nothing to do with technique btw. It’s very subjective. All I hear is a pretty underdeveloped voice.

     

    'Anyone with some knowledge' = is Kim Sung Eun, and her credentials are good enough for me.  

    Not all students of a teacher are the best in the subject, yet the teacher would know who is the best, you note that she did not list BTS/Twice as good singers in this interview, but IU (even though she is not her student) and Sandeul

    I don't know your expertise in vocal ability, but your responses definitely show your lack of logical ability.

    So I will leave it at that.

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  13. 21 hours ago, Oriane said:

    Well if they trained BTS they must not be very good coaches.

    As I said, I am not an expert.

    Maybe you are an expert, but you would have to list your credentials for that.

    While the people I read/heard are like Kim Sung Eun and her credentials are,

    Vocal Coach since 2003, Professor of applied vocal music, Mentor in many shows like Produce 101 and of course a long list of students who are successful idols, including 3 from BTS, Jihyo from Twice, Kang Daniel, Sunmi etc.

    Like with any teacher, not all students are going to be top-notch, teaching is to improve them from what they were to what they are. Nevertheless such people are reliable in identifying who are the best in their fields, than public or random strangers on forums, don't you think?

    Here is an interview where she mentions IU's singing abilities. And I don't see any particular reason for her to mention IU at all. EDAM is not going to give her new business or any such thing. Yet she mentions IU and Sandeul as singers she admires. For IU, vocalization, respiration technique, ability to infuse emotions etc.

    So sorry if I don't take your opinion over hers. 

     

  14. On 6/28/2021 at 11:55 AM, satoori said:

    The best way to describe IU's voice is, public friendly.

     

    Generic and listenable.  Honestly there's nothing special, powerful or unique about her vocal color. She has a good vocal technique of staying stable and on key during lives tho, which has been very beneficial to her career. 

    All her songs have great replay value. I'm not a stan of IU, but personally I tend to like many of her songs. But a person don't have to be a good vocalist to produce good songs and know their strengths. IU has basically mastered public friendly music.

    Lastly her looks are a huge part of her marketability in Korea. She's smol, relatable and cute.  It's not a surprise IU has the title of nation's little sister.

    Agreed that her looks play a part, but then it is true of most kpop idols as well, so it is not alone that which sets her apart.

    Another factor is her acting, she has mastered playing to the camera with good expressions even microexpressions, while singing. Many idols fail at that.

    Not the best vocalist, Not the best visual, Not the best actress, Not the best songwriter - Not the top of any specific list, but probably is in the top 5-10 of all lists, which makes her formidable as a package, while others are topping only one or two lists.

    She achieved it by broadening her 'talent' portfolio by leveraging her initial singing success. 

    But anyway 'success can't be debated'. 

  15. Not that unique. Many companies, political movements have this challenge, they originally come up as uniquely tied to the needs/tastes/emotions of a certain group, but as they succeed they need to expand - which dilutes their uniqueness and losing that original base. 

    It is difficult to expand without diluting.

    And it is a choice BTS-HYBE made. 

    I wonder how much of BTS's popularity TODAY in Korea is tied to their success in the West, rather than their current songs themselves?

    #1. Kpop itself is not popular with GPs as they grow out of their teenage.

    #2. English lyrics. will be another obstacle to enjoy the songs.

    So the popularity of BTS in Korea might be more due to them winning fame to Korea itself, than actual enjoyment of any particular song, which is catering to the West.

    That would reflect in the ULs, sales and charts.

    But then Dynamite is also English lyrics, and it has done very well.  Is it an anomaly or prediction of things to come?

    Maybe there will be split into EnguK-pop and HanguK-pop

     

     

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  16. 22 hours ago, Oriane said:

    ‘Experts’ if you mean the YouTube vocal coaches nope lol, her voice is nothing impressive just an octave of full support 

    No, I mean vocal trainers for groups like BTS, Astro etc. - kpop professionals. Who need not mention her in their interviews, have mentioned her vocal control abilities. 

  17. I am not a fan of airy breathy voices, yet I enjoy many of her songs with airy breathy voice. Strange that.

    Hearing from vocal trainers, who absolutely have no need to mention her in the interviews, appreciate her voice control,

    I will defer to the experts.

    So my conclusion is that her voice is deceptively airy-breathy. What is risky for most singers, she has mastered that by adapting that voice-style to her own choice of songs and delivery.

    In surfing competitions, no two competitors will get the same quality of a wave to ride, yet they have to impress the judges by their ability. The airy-breathy voice is not the best choice of wave, yet she has impressed both general population, her peers and experts by riding that way.

    Of course she does have many songs that aren't airy, but full bodied, like the reverse running 'Hold my hand', and has been hitting high pitches from Good Day to Love Poem to My Sea.

    Hence the impression she gives of being a soft/airy voiced singer, is deceptive.

    So "Deceptively delicate" is what I would call it. 

     

     

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