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I dunno..there are idols who are across varying groups who have matching rings they bought each other or couple items or group friendship items. I think it can be hard to convey to people who haven't lived in Korea how...prevalent and intense the whole matching platonic and romantic tokens are, it's such a ~thing~. I know nothing about all three of them so they could be LGBT and maybe that's why they are so close, but I really doubt it's a poly ring or something of the sort. If it were, I don't think they would point it out, for one. But yeah its super, super common even for man friends in Korea to have matchy matchy things. It's one of those difficult topics because from a Western perspective it's really pretty unusual so a lot of international fans don't understand it, but at the same time I wouldn't want to assume something is platonic when its gay and romantic when it's straight, because that's very stupid. I tend to assume something isn't coupley if the idol draws attention to it verbally (some of them actually do this preemptively because fans will start asking about a repeat wear piece of jewellery thinking its a couple item). It sounds to me like they have a really close bond and simply got the idea because one of them was given the ring the first time and thought yeah this would be a cool thing. Again though they could be an LGBT friendship group.

He might not be! I personally think in this particular example he's just saying he likes the costume, I don't see any checking out going on. And I don't think any of the members are attracted to each other so I don't think they sincerely check each other out, regardless of their own sexualities, other than in a bro you look good platonic way.

Not to invite drama by speaking but: I know quite a lot of people who know Chris and apparently he really is a super lovely man. I am 99 percent sure he's straight but he's a big ally and a notoriously decent person. He doesn't deserve a shred of the (frankly weird) hatred he gets. Felix is bisexual, I think that's obvious enough. Hyujin pings but I think nothing else of him. Lee Know has said some things that are interesting particularly in the most recent interview with Jonathon. Changbin sometimes annoys me because I find some of his denials of skinship a little over the top and uncomfortable (not that he has to do it) and it can either read as him being too into his masculine muscle boy badass thing in a way that you could read as either overcompensating or just straight, BUT they all seem like allies to me. Felix is the only one I'd put money on.

Yes, please feel free to ostracize people in the thread because they *checks notes* don't think every single member of BTS is gay. And you wonder why this place never gets the gossip.

Yeah...this is a you problem. For one, you just went on a huge rant about the comparison to Harry Styles and what it "means" when I didn't ascribe it any of that meaning. YOU'RE the one who has accused Styles of queerbaiting, I said nothing of the sort. The reason why they remind me of each other is that they have similar aesthetics, quirky personalities, similar positions within their respective groups, and people decided they are gay based on similar reasoning. YOU decided the comparison was me saying Taehyung is a queerbaiter, which as I've already said, is not a concept I ascribe to as applying to real life human beings "Harry Styles can be a meaningful ally or claim a queer identity and this is not an option that applies to a kpop idol" - untrue. Many kpop idols are far bigger allies than any member of BTS has ever been. And to pre empt what I'm sure you'll say, I DON'T think any members are homophobes. But when you have Chaeyoung of TWICE out there having her best friends like content about her being bisexual, Moonbyul writing a sapphic love song and picking it as a single and promoting it, Jo Kown posting instagram content with the pride flag, Nancy out there attending multiple pride parades and calling herself a rainbow queen, Tiffany giving high profile interviews where she calls herself an ally and supports the community, Nana playing multiple queer characters and talking about it in high profile media, Lee Know even talking about a boy he had a crush on in highschool...Like yes, no major idol has completely come out yet, but many BTS fans who clearly don't follow other groups and especially women closely, completely underestimate what other idols are doing for or around the community and their own identities. "Western centric" - I'm not from the West. When did I say Taehyung would be pretending to be part of the space if he's bisexual with a female preference? I simply said I think he has a very large preference for women even if he likes men and the vibe he gives (for me) is that he'd try it but not necessarily be romantically interested in men. If you think that means he'd be pretending, again that's your own hang up. The word "gayface" is twitter brain rot. Yes, it is actively misogynist when Taehyung is revealed to have dated a woman and his fans go into a range of conspiracy thinking to try and pretend it never happened. It's sad. It's sad that he and many men who have been cast as "the gay one" cannot date in peace and date women without their often majority WOMEN fans being so unable to cope with that that they have to devolve into conspiracies. He clearly dated Jennie. He may still be dating her! And I say that as someone who really doesn't like Blackpink (funnily enough most people who can acknowledge reality aren't shippers lol!) Your whole last paragraph is just an eyeroll. First of all, I'm not a Jimin stan. He's my favourite of BTS, but I am a multi group fan and follow like 20+ groups in kpop, I don't "stan" anyone. Taehyung is actually my second favourite of the group! Again, you're projecting. You've decided that if Taehyung isn't gay he must be queerbaiting, therefore anyone who says he isn't gay must think he's an awful person. That's larrie stylinson brainrot 101 thinking. You'll find that many people out there don't think he's gay, do accept that he was dating Jennie, and still think he's a fine human being! Get Jihyo out of your profile set up, she isn't for "queerbaiting is real for real people" mlm fetishists with their conspiracy theories.

Key and Jo Kwon are actually gay. Hope that helps. In case people don't understand that the first part is a semi joke (you guys really are running with that incel thing, good lord), very few fans in Korea actually think these two men are straight these days. There's a couple of truthers but this simply isn't really a correct categorization. I don't think it's helpful to do the "fans even think so and so is straight" routine. At some point you have to accept that unless an idol has done things that are undeniably gay, people are going to have differing opinions. Someone saying Moonbyul is straight is delusional considering her single from this year, someone saying Taehyung doesn't seem gay when the evidence is...far less convincing...has an opinion (not to mention he's clearly had a girlfriend and they seemed happy together and that's lovely). I think if you can't hear alternate opinions without getting aggressive, you probably need to question your own biases and feelings. The idea that a celebrity you like might actually just be straight shouldn't make you angry. If it does, that's a you problem. This happens over and over and over again where fans convince themselves a member of a group is gay, he isn't, and then they hate him or they create conspiracy theories about his real life women partners (always delving into blatant misogyny) in order to cope. It's not healthy and its not fair to any of these celebrities. You should NOT be angry that any celebrity you like could be straight, if the idea makes you angry, you need to reflect. It's weird. As a further point to the person on another page, where did I say Taehyung is queerbaiting? I didn't. I don't believe in the concept of queerbaiting for real life people! However, the fact that YOU decided anyone who thinks he isn't gay MUST thinking he is baiting says a lot about how you approach him and view him and how entitled you are over real life human beings. Kpop is all about fanservice, you can't be angry at any idol for selling a product when they don't exactly hide it. If Taehyung is straight or predominantly attracted to women (the amount of biphobia in people having a breakdown over me saying he could be bi with a female preference...), he isn't queerbaiting. He hasn't done anything to "bait" you other than watching some films and not being a homophobe. On statistics, I have a bachelors degree in the area so...lol. Of course, and I literally said this but again, many of you are reading and replying in bad faith, it's not IMPOSSIBLE for a 7/7 group to be gay. But it's borderline impossible in that it is so vastly improbable it's a silly thing to argue. If you randomly select seven people from the broader population, of course you could select a gay majority. It can happen! However selecting 7 people who are all LGBT identifying is highly, highly unlikely and the reality is, people only want it to be true because of confirmation bias and wishing all seven of their BTS oppas liked men. It's simply not reality.

Yeah do you not see...how weird you're being over someone stating their opinion on the sexualities of men you'll never meet? This is how you know a thread is a lost cause. Me: I don't think certain members of BTS are gay or date men and honestly sometimes people's opinions are really bizarre to me on the issue because in my experience its very obvious these two members are queer and these ones aren't. You: ArE YoU WEll ToDay?!! IS YouR liFE ok??? Im SOrry HaNG in THEre!!!! Like...utterly bizarre. Where in my opinion does it say that other people don't have alternate opinions? It doesn't! I stated mine, you didn't like it, you then decide to completely derail the thread and personally attack me in more than one post, you then pretend that me having a different opinion to you is somehow inherently oppressive and I must not recognize that opinions are different, etc etc etc. Talk about an overreaction. Which, again, I knew would happen because this thread is such a way that if you say any combination of Taehyung, Jungkook or Jimin are not exclusively or mainly attracted to men, people will personally attack you, take what you say in bad faith, and have complete mental breakdowns. And that's because when it comes to BTS, people aren't allowed to have opinions here that aren't "they are queer" on certain members, especially Taehyung. Which is ironic considering my original post literally said "he could be bisexual but I think he's way more attracted to women", which again I think points out that you even have a problem with someone thinking Taehyung likes women more than men, which is weird of you! The fact that you're also a "every photo of Jennie and Taehyung was edited' truther tells me everything I need to know about you and what motivates your opinions. In fact, if you wanted the actual tea on the members of BTS, forums other than this one can tell you who 5/7 of them have been dating at various points with pretty extensive evidence, but people like yourself would rather be delusional for eternity than cope with them simply liking women. And yes my life is actually lovely at the moment, hence why I rarely check in here!

I saw you viewing my profile and simply returned the courtesy. But yes, anyone who has any alternate opinion on BTS is a troll, because of course.

Oh you're a "Jennie and Taehyung never dated" truther...that explains so much. And no, I'm not looking to start a fight. I came here for the first time in a long time, decided to express my opinion and simply knew even just posting it would cause a pile on because we all know you can't say 7/7 member of BTS aren't going to be gay without causing a fight! Especially Taehyung/Jimin/Jungkook!

"Just say you have decided you are right and everyone else is wrong and be done with it". 1. Very ironic when I simply gave my opinion which you clearly don't like, and decided to tone police me in response to try and silence me. 2. Yes...that's how opinions work. People tend to express what they think is indeed the correct position! 3. It is so highly unlikely that is has never happened. What group or band in history has ever had entirely queer members that wasn't put together under that premise? It's simply a silly thing to argue when a majority of the members have never done anything to indicate they are LGBT other than fanservice.

We aren't all the same. If you're not a queer man, your opinion is less relevant and if you can't acknowledge that, that's on you. Queer men are always, always, always fetishized in these spaces and queer men have the right to assert that their opinions are more relevant in the space or more nuanced or aren't ladden with weird fetishistic biases. I am not saying every single person will have that viewpoint, but unfortunately I've been around in fandoms long enough to know that a solid majority of people here aren't going to be men and ARE going to be making up their minds based on offensive stereotypes and ARE going to be mad when someone disagrees about their favorite because they aren't interested in real opinions, they are interested in being validated in their perspective. Sorry, but anyone here who isn't a queer man does have a less relevant perspective and I'm not going to apologize for saying it. I am tired of fan spaces being full of people talking about queer men and saying offensive or heavily stereotyped stuff, and then getting salty when people point it out. Literally all I said was that people have discounted Hoseok because people are fetishists and aren't attracted to him and ARE attracted to the maknae line so they write him off, that most of the group are predominantly attracted to women which is pretty obvious and also a large statistical likelihood, that Taehyung may be bisexual but reads to me as very attracted to women, and I fundamentally don't understand people who think Jungkook isn't straight. I emphasized my experience BECAUSE in MY experience as a queer man, 90% of people who think Jungkook and Taehyung are either not or barely attracted to women are women who are fetishizing mlm, (and 100% of people who say things like all seven members are LGBT are being irrational) and I am personally tired of it. My perspective is that of a 27 year old queer man with extensive experience as a queer man, and yes my perspective is more valid than the 18 year old non queer men on twitter who fetishize people like me and then get mad when people like me express thoughts. Sorry if that upsets you! If you're a queer dude, cool! Accept that people's opinions differ to yours. If you're not, shut up. If someone can't say e.g. it's obvious that 7/7 members of a group are going to be LGBT without personal attacks, then this thread is already very lost. Not to mention no one would care if someone said it about any other group!

Wonderfully argued reply!

I'm not here to make friends, sorry. I gave my honest opinion, and you don't have to agree with it but I'm not going to wrap it in "everyone is so valid for their thoughts" to make people feel better about what I think. Absolutely none of that is particularly convincing to me, and I do know all of it considering I've been a fan for a long time. Sorry. Lots of idols are "interested" in LGBT things, unfortunately not all of them are going to be lgbt due to it. I have absolutely never seen Taehyung express attraction to a man. Him watching a film and liking some gay photographers and being fine with singing with a man is lovely (of course it's fanservice to some extent, they literally rehearsed the vmin hand hold into their Friends performance, don't be thick), and he's certainly an ally. But at the end of the day the vibes I get from him are that he really likes women and may like men but with way less of a preference. As I said, its the Harry Styles thing all over again. Dude had some interesting fashion, liked and promoted lgbt stuff, was an open ally, even talked about men he thinks are hot, and still predominantly dates women (in fact, as far as anyone knows, exclusively). Doesn't mean he can't be bi but he certainly seems to prefer women. That's exactly the same energy I get from Taehyung. In fact I think it's telling that someone jumps in and says "Taehyung could be bi but I think he prefers women" and there's already animosity. Why would that bother you? He'd still be queer, wouldn't he? Or do you just need or want him to prefer dating men? And yes I emphasized my experience because in all kpop spaces that discuss male sexuality, I've found a good 80 percent of contributors are women and/or straight. As someone who is tired of queer men being fetishized by women...there's literally a post one page ago about Jungkook having feminine mannerisms therefore is he gay...I do in fact come to these spaces knowing many of the people in them are not queer men and make up their minds on attraction, shipping and stereotypes. With certain idols (cough BTS cough) people don't seem to want real opinions from queer men. You have people pages back saying every member of BTS is in someway LGBT which is borderline statistically impossible, so you just know that if you post an opinion that most of them are straight and the ones that aren't aren't the ones people wish, people are going to get whiny about it.

Lol! Yeah I know this thread is very "Taehyung is the queerest person of all time" but as someone who is gay, not a shipper, experienced, and knows who Harry Styles is...like...it's simply the truth. The guy reeks of loves the women, would maybe get his dick sucked for the art, and I say that as someone who adores him. The guy liked CMBYN, wore a leopard print shirt whilst dating a woman, was friends with a cult member, and sung a song that reads gay but seems to be about his family and everyone decided he is queer. If I thought an idol was gay every time they watched one very well known piece of queer cinema, there would be no straight female idols. I think Taehyung *could* be bisexual but really, I think he has a strong ass preference for women regardless. It's the Harry Styles effect all over again with him AND Jungkook like people see a nice looking guy who isn't toxically masculine and here we are.

That's because J-hope isn't one of the more biased members nor the most conventionally attractive so fans on the whole don't want him to be in their ships or gay so they completely wrote him off for no reason. Plus, most people know that seriously arguing more than 2-3 out of 7 randomly seleted people will be LGBT identifying is statistically highly unlikely is a thing, so because they want vminkook to all be gay, they token straight Hoseok. As an actual gay person with a functioning gaydar, he's not straight. Jin - Very obviously straight. Yoongi - Almost entirely straight, would experiment, might see himself as bi/pan but with a huge preference for women at most. J-hope - Bisexual. Either is actually dating Irene and has been for years, or she's his f*g hag. The thing that makes her seem platonic is how public he's been with her. Namjoon - Painfully straight and would probably be a bit of an incel if he wasn't in BTS (sorry). Jimin - Bisexual and not hiding it but does date and has dated women. Taehyung - 90 percent straight, sorry. May identify as bi/pan. He's Harry Styles 2.0 like the similarities are uncanny, and we all know who Harry Styles dates (spoiler alert, lots of women). Jungkook - Painfully, painfully, painfully straight and the people who think otherwise actually boggle my mind.

It's sad because people don't seem to "get" that idols simply cannot come out. I think it's because the Western industry is different - queer people are all over the place and still having thriving careers, so people assume that a non-out person is just a non-queer person when it comes to K-pop. Sadly, most queer idols will probably take it to the grave. Although I think a lot of queer fans "know" certain idols are pretty much confirmed queer without completely saying it, and that's the best we are going to get. In terms of Aespa, they seem super super straight to me. Could not have collected a more straight bunch of women. With ITZY, the eldest three give me vibes. With Twice...I will always be so confused about them. Nayeon - Maybe just an ally? Jeongyeon - super hard to tell because they made her butch for so long so it's like....what is the truth? Sana - I am not sure but I lean towards LGBT with her. Mina - ?????????????????? will probably marry a dude. Momo - ???????? Jihyo - I think she's queerer than people give her credit for, like that energy is very lesbian aunt, but I don't think she'd ever date a woman and she dates men. Chaeyoung - bi. Dahyun - straight and a bit repressed. Tzuyu - ??

Could it just be that they...you know...got more friendly again? Why does it have to be some kind of complex machination by HYBE for some obscure reason? Whilst I wouldn't be surprised if Jungkook and Tae were encouraged to have that conversation on ITS, I think it was genuine. Taehyung seemed really anxious at the start. Jimin was kicking a soccer ball in the dark near them like he was hovering around to make sure people were ok. It's totally normal in a group of seven people for two of them to have issues and become less close. Especially so if Jungkook felt like Tae was the closest in age to him and his friend, and Tae matured quickly and Jungkook didn't know how to talk to him. And then you add on the weirdo shippers who invade their privacy all of the time. With the Vmin conversation, I think they are both queer if you ask me. It wouldn't entirely surprise me if they've been more than platonic every now and then in exploration of that, but I don't think anyone in that band is dating. Inter band dating is pretty rare rofl. Sometimes those two read to me as the closest in the group not simply because of their age but because they have things in common and get each other... Personally I think they will get exempted in a kind of way. They'll do diplomacy instead, I think. Although obviously I don't know anything, but they are much more valuable to Korea outside of the army than in, and they only have a handful of contracted years left. BTS becoming big in the West isn't just about them, its setting up cultural interest from the West and other groups getting Western interest for the rest of known time. They are attracting tourism, GDP, good will. Korean art is exploding in the West right now and chucking BTS in the army during that boom is a no win situation. But I guess we will see. Wonho is really feeding the gays lately with that photobook of his. Its nice that he and holland might be friends.

I agree with this. With Enha, they were pushing Jake/Sunghoon so hard (and still kind of are sometimes). They also push a bit of Sunoo/Niki and Sunoo/Sunghoon now. With BTS, it used to be Taekook, but then I think Tae shut that the fuck down. I don't know what happened but they went from "the ship" to Tae calling it out and being completely done with it and not playing into it at all. And it wasn't because it suddenly wasn't popular, it still is, I just think Tae decided to no longer play along. I wonder how that went down... They are pushing Jikook now and some of their fans are dumb as a rock and truly think its "real". Aside from the fact that Jungkook is one of the straighter ones in that band, those two have such a sibling relationship.

On this general theme, idols on youtube and socials have said that different gender idols date each other most of the time, because its the only people they ever really see. They work so much etc. So I would imagine its the same for same gender idols much of the time. One youtuber said that there was a good sized LGBT community in Kpop so they probably all know who is LGBT and isn't, and date within that circle. I think it would be very, very, very unlikely for two people from the same group to date because that's just too uncomfortable, but two same gender idols dating secretly is probably a thing.

I think the most telling moment from Tae, funnily, was his reaction to hearing Believe by Cher. Pretty much all of the other guys were bopping to it normally but Taehyung was going the fuck off like he was in a club rofl. Anyone who is LGBT knows that feel.

Honestly I don't know if I can see any BTS member coming out, if there is a LGBT one (I mean...). They are a historical group, literal living legends, and are being seen as the pride of the nation. Wouldn't surprise me if certain members maybe moved somewhere more private or overseas so they can be more free. There are some members who come across to me as giving less of a fuck about how they are perceived and maybe being more willing to be controversial, but even then I wonder if those members (if any of them are LGBT) would come out and risk it casting controversy on the whole group and their legacy. With foreign idols from more LGBT friendly countries, I think they are in the better position of having a whole other life back home. Australian and American idols can just move back and go back to where people will barely bat an eyelid if they are seen out with another person of the same sex. But I think any idol that removed from the idol system won't be able to impact it quite as much by being open.

This thread needs to move on from the trans conversation because certain users keep saying consistently offensive things and its making this whole thread embarrassing and uncomfortable. Trans people's bodies are not for us to dissect and discuss, and using a trans person's body as "evidence" someone has any sexuality is always going to go into a transphobic space. Just don't do it, it's not hard. I don't really see what the TXT and Jessi video is supposed to tell us about their sexuality. Again, I sometimes think people get way too many of their ideas about how people react and exist romantically from like...anime. If Soobin has a "reaction" apparently that's "straight", like, what is he supposed to do? It's objectively funny that Jessi kind of used her breasts as part of the game, and people of any gender or sexuality would be like "oh hahah this is a bit awkward!" It's not evidence either way. It's a bunch of guys who have been trained to treat women who aren't fans during signings with massive distance and to not get into a "scandal".

My personal opinion is that Sunoo seems to have a little school boy crush on Sunghoon. I mean, we've all been there, even straight people have homoerotic little friendships in their teens. But eg during the pyjama episode of Enhypen-O'clock, Sunoo kept hanging around Sunghoon and trying to help him with things. It's sweet. I think Sunghoon seems like a nice person and considering he's been interested in a traditionally woman's domain/very feminine domain (ice skating), he's probably quite sensitive even at a young age to more feminine men like Sunoo maybe feeling left out. I think Sunghoon is inclusive and kind to him. I don't think there's much to say on Niki. He's very young. And he seems pretty straight to me thus far. Jake seems straight, Jungwon seems straight, Jay maybe bi-ish but he's very hard to read, Heeseung is interesting.

Wait a second I'm getting confused. Was OP saying that Wonho must be bi because he dated a trans guy before he had any surgeries and hormones, because his body was 'female'? If that's what's being said by anyone....that's incredibly transphobic and also not correct. I know a lot of gay men who have dated trans guys before they've been able to take testosterone and get any surgeries, some of ya'll are really talking about 'all gay men' as if you can speak for all of us. Some people are actually not transphobic and can totally be attracted to trans guys before they've had any physical changes, and not all trans men will even go on hormones. I literally know a gay guy who is married to a trans guy who he originally met and started dating before any changes had been made. And for trans men, bottom surgery is often not an option because its highly invasive, highly complex and very expensive, so most trans men simply don't get it. That doesn't make the gay identifying men who date them inherently bisexual. Trans men are men from the minute they know they are men. I don't know how Wonho identifies and I don't really care, but making arguments about it based on 'this trans person still had a woman body lol' is gross as hell, why is it happening in here. Also didn't they date before this person even came out?

As soon as I saw Sense8 I was like...this is a very gay list. It only got gayer with the music lol. Tbh any dude that Jimin or Taemin loves talking to at awards shows is someone I immediately wonder about. Jimin and Vernon love a chat.