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12 minutes ago, spicyssamu said:
Its vocal terminology tho. Not saying Im really good, because Im not lol. (Im still studying), but this is just the terminology we use when studying vocal pedagogy
Well, I didnt keep up with Monday that much, thanks for the insight
I’m pretty sure Reggie said themself they created those new tiers, not not offend fans with the use of ‘weak’ etc lol. It’s alright you can use them if you want
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1 hour ago, BAZISSINO said:
even before clicking i knew he would be in some sort of BS a la JYP @1:30 is he trying to convince people or himself LMAO ....this is exactly why we got that famous " we're artist not idols bla bla bla " and WHY the CURRENT GEN IS FULL IF vocals legends who "MEANS WHAT THEY SAY " , sure you can be touched by way less technical vocalists but that doesn't mean the technical ones can't DO as MUCH ....actually technicality gives way more tools to deliver emotional and touching messages
@4:08 WAIT WHAT why is he acting like he's a technicien and know how to apply what he think is right LOL , Imagine asking a JYP band ish group lead vocalist a technical question
@4:36 like name anyone within that description .... ofc without taking into consideration NUGU factor @5:06 i don't know why that sounds so patronizing to me ( maybe that not the right word ) especially the " ah he missed misconveyed part "it still very subjective how each humain react to a delivery of a vocalist
at the end of the day you still a floppy nugu who will probably be out of JYP in some months with no renewal ( the guy has a BIG mouth and got in trouble before *who's surprised* )and FULL NUGU LAND RENAISSANCE LMAO
Never had any sympathy for him and his flopping band... This didn’t help. Bro you can’t sing for shit what are you talking about
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6 minutes ago, Messica said:
im not saying theyre AA. I am only trying to argue that they arewnt simply glorified average vocalists who can support C5s and C#5s (more so jessica) and that theyre good enough to standout amongst their peers even if taeyeon wasnt in the group. Are the leagues a head? no, but there are still developmental differences between Average and AA-A other than extra supported notes.
I mean... A lot of a/aa are average vocalists with some support on C5s. I’m not talking about Seosic but in general that’s how the lower a/aa are. I would say their support was stronger than your average mid a like Yuri but the gap isn’t big at all in level of support.
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49 minutes ago, Messica said:
ummm kry isnt the only SUJU subunit, they had like 5 of them and only KRY had all three. EXO had to scrap the EXO-M EXO-K philosophy because of extremely souring Korea-China relations and Chinese members leaving and they started out as 12. There's always the considering of enlistment so theres more of a push to have more than one standout vocalist and lets not act like TaeJae are leagues ahead of SeoSica. Wasn't dream marketed as a subunit for pre-teens so they didnt really need to have that vocal niche until t
TTS was a project established later on rather than intended by the company of their roster philosophy. im pretty sure the trainers discerned their skills seeing how their concert tour solos, only taeyeon got power songs like hush hush, lady marmalade and my grown up christmas list while Seohyun got cute broadway musical numbers and Jessica cute disney numbers or stuff like barbie girl, almost and miss korea and she wasnt given any solo songs. They didnt push SeoSica to do anything near the level Taeyeon was doing. Whereas in the boy groups where the main vocalists had similar development as power vocalists all would all be given similar difficulty concepts.
Ok I saw most of your posts and the spam isn’t cute anymore lol. Taejae ? As in Taeil and Jaehyun ? Why mentioning Jaehyun when he’s far of the two strongest lol especially in the tenor range... And purposely forgetting the best in the group
Doyoung is better than Taeil FYI. I’ve listened to Taedo and Seosic a lot and the gap is significant enough. Like an a/aa and aa gap lol. Especially with Doyoung, he’s way more consistent than both of them and he has A4 down which is the equivalent of C#5 or D5 (depends on how you see it).
I stan SNSD but I don’t like sugarcoating and Imma tell you sincerely, they had those songs because they weren’t powerhouses unlike Tae. SM knew it and they knew it probably too. Jessica had other hobbies and Seohyun was more interested in acting
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6 minutes ago, ZRH23 said:
And their raps top. SM really just milking everything they can from the rap line (MarkYong esp duh) to make up what they missed in like 10+ years of their groups lack of good rapping (sorry Chanyeol)
I’m sure if SM could Mark would redebut in EXO lmao sorry Sehun and co
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1 hour ago, Messica said:
as an IDOL group id say theyre quite impressive given vocals wasnt their main marketing proposition but rather dancing and visuals where as groups like mamamoo, CSJH and BEG were marketed as vocal groups. compared to other dance performance focused groups, seosicsunfany exceed expectations. They'd still be one of the vocally strongest idol groups even if Taeyeon wasnt in the group.
but yes taeyeon definitely made them vocally relevant for sure.
with competitors like sunye, jea, eunji, luna, wendy, yuju, raina, solji etc. even Jessica doesn't have a chance to stand out or even compare vocally among them unless she either had a good day or she rose up to the occasion of the pressure from competition.
The only SM group with a true focus on dancing/performing is NCT to this day (over their vocals), SNSD like other SM groups was quite focused on their vocal line actually
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Speaking of screamy high notes
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GEpAjtCW6mI
Kpop fans really eat it up and I still don’t know why. Thanks Changmin I guess
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12 minutes ago, BAO127 said:
Hmmm, you might be right, but genuine question: isn't the nasality just because he's singing in Chinese?. Some Chinese tones can be quite nasal. It's like with Portuguese singers like Mariza, whom I've seen foreign vocal coaches critizice because she "has jaw tension"' or "does not open her mouth enough" when she sings. She simply can't open her mouth wide if she wants to pronounce the Portuguese words they way they're meant to be pronounced. I thought in this case that was just a quirk of the language. As for his A4s, he didn't sound nearly as strained to me as he has in other occasions, but perhaps I was just distracted because in Kun's case it is more clear that he's pulling throat.
That’s just because he doesn’t lift his soft palate I think. The language might not help but it’s one of his weakness.
Btw who has the strongest mid range between Doy and Xiaojun ? We know anything above F#4 is Doyoung area but below not sure.Taeil has the best to me
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53 minutes ago, UrmiUndone said:
Both Yedam and Taeyang have very attractive and pleasing/soothing tones and stylised singing techniques which may sound good on ears but extremely damaging on the long run. K-pop is a superficial industry and I would say recruiters would rather choose a person with "interesting" tone than a trained singer whose voice tone is "average"
Idk I know people love stylistic vocalists but I personally only listen to people who can sing. You’re right the industry is so fast paced and a lot of vocalists will only sing for 10 years or so. You don’t need good technique in that case
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3 hours ago, Oriane said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ue4eY0cEAXw

The fact that they’re defending Rookie 101 and out there crying because we don’t think Jihyo can support C5... LOL sorry but I’m not in the mood of praising idols for doing the bare minimum too. Also that comment about standards do they realize Kpop stans have none ? That’s why we end up with BTS and BP being the most popular Kpop groups. I wish standards were higher tbhSomeone negged you for saying the truth, I see a pattern... If you’re lurking here hi Rookie
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1 hour ago, loveablejoy said:
Y'ALL DON'T HAVE TO FUCKING LISTEN TO IT! NOBODY IS FORCING YOU TO DO SO!
You never support them, so why does it matter now? Just mind your fucking business, just you were minding your business when they were struggling to gain fans.
Girl who said so ? I like their music but morals>>>>>>Kpop idols
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21 minutes ago, Juicy-Apple said:
People aren’t very nice towards hyunjin here. Users on this site love to bash on celebrities, i have noticed that more often, even on the celebrities that didn’t do anything wrong. A lot of people on this issue are either on extreme sides like “hyunjin is a bad person and he should be kicked out” or “hyunjin didn’t do anything wrong, he doesn’t deserve this”. Both are annoying.
He is a flawed human being. If he genuinely regrets his actions and his victims accepted his apology and are cool with him. Then he deserves another chance.
We don’t all have the time to support possibly bad people... And how do we know he truly changed lol
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1 hour ago, ZRH23 said:
He'd still need to focus on rounding up his vowels and notes, he still doesn't open up as much as he could for the most part. But I have heard some quite nice G4s/F#4s with enough good placement and support for a solid AA.
Oh yeah perhaps not generally but it's an improvement from his previous G#4s for sure.
@3.40, 2 years ago he was barely even able to mix G#4 well, much less retain any sort of support or placement. He hasn't much luck until late last year.
She does support, it's not that shallow, just not very strong either. I can't check the notes yet but it sounds higher lol. But yes, safely weak to Average.
I haven't listen to the entire 20 minute compilation lol but that 2nd video was by far the best material from her so far...and of course it's predebut lmao. She's more grounded there but still not very strong. There's just a lot more stretch and connection rather than just light shallow singing. I'd say that 2nd clip was right on W to A category, it's stylistic sure enough but not distractingly so, it still works a lot in the context while maintaining decent tonality and some support. I'm not a fan of the Knowing Bro's singing or that Price Tag one lol.
But still, her breath support was never quite solid enough. Just like the rest I suppose.
Nopeee. They're all pretty lightly mixed but even then there's some tightness up there. They weren't too bad but I'd say it lacks enough development to be pulled off even in that light approach.
Ah, see, this is one of the cases where it becomes a bit of a problem if we take all the rankings too literally and don't focus enough on how the technique is just as it is. I do agree that the rankings or categories can all be quite limiting and just raises more questions than answering them.
Personally, I think that Christina, even all of her messiness, still does sing in an acceptable manner to an extent, regardless of the tongue tension or throatiness or the likes. She does have very questionable moments down to like, what, Eb4 or so, but to say that she's downright straining or has to be put with someone like Park Bom doesn't make sense personally. I think that she has pretty solid support in her midrange, but nothing beyond that. Maybe some alright phrased notes A4-B4 or so (I don't know, I just think that it's possible). Her mixing and the part of her range where she starts to grab those high notes, yeah those are ugly.
But the parts where she's just singing like usual, even if they have some weird tension, is this acceptable imo. It's not like every single instance of her tension in the random notes throughout her midrange makes her totally strained or whatever.
Uhh nope. All of her F#5s here are strained... A lot. Her only nice mixing on F#5s would be in the Mermaid thing pre debut and that first IS2 performance. What you're hearing isn't good tonality or ease on the F#5s, she's just trying to mix much brighter on them. It's a concious effort for that. If she mixed F#5s the same way she pushes on E5s, then it's gonna tire her out real fast.
Seulgi just has stronger support in general from what I heard. Nothing else is worth comparing yet when the development of breath support is already on a different level.
Nah, you're underestimating how tough our voices can be. Plenty of singers can strain for life but still only show almost no damage or only some regression in ability by their 40s or 50s. Plus, just because they don't adequately 'support ' past E4 doesn't automatically mean their voices will take a toll and get hurt. Sometimes they're not even straining above E4. It's not a dangerous effort.
I agree about the strain part but are we listening to the same BTS... Jimin has a high sky larynx throughout his mid range even as low as Eb4 and Jin ain’t that much better. V might be a tenor but honestly haven’t heard anything decent from him above D4. Jungkook probably has some decent F4 but most are strained. So yeah everything above E4 from them is 99%strained and not even relaxed/shallow. I doubt they will ruin their voice tho, they’re still young we will see later
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2 hours ago, LionMane said:
Not him ranking miss tongue tension higher than Hwasa in terms of belting… some of his other vids are rather alright so I’m quite surprised he didn’t notice the gap.
Also who do you guys think has the stronger mixed register between Jeongyeon and Seulgi? Jeongyeon has less problems w tongue tension ig and her placement when phrasing upto C5/C#5 is nice but her sustained notes starting from around Bb4 tends to get shallow, nasal, tight and pushy.
Oh and I heard Christina Aguilera is a Mezzo is that true? If so I guess if she supports upto A4 she’s still Average since that’s basically a Bb4/B4 iirc.
Well he thinks LM is around/better than Mamamoo... We all know the truth here.
Seulgi of course, Jeongyeon mix is kind of a mystery but I’m not the biggest fan of her Bb4.
I’ve heard Aguilera straining way lower than A4... In the baritone range
Also why is Blackpink here, as far as I know there’s not much to say about them
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Some groups are more talented than others. Because some can sing and some not really...
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Taeil when properly styled, is one of the best looking members of NCT. He doesn’t have that typical flower boy look but that’s what makes him attractive. Somehow they always do him dirty (I call it the SM main vocalist curse, Chen had it too). Sadly I think it’s unpopular because people call him the visual hole of the group.
If only SM realized his undercut is superior...
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On 6/9/2021 at 4:04 PM, meeeplet said:
I know we discussed this a little while back but I'm starting to worry that Taehyun's "growling"/weird throatiness is going to stick around for a while? He's doing it in this cover as well (2:14, 2:49):
It's clearly a stylistic choice but it honestly sounds like it could be really damaging to me. Where are Hybe's vocal coaches???
I’m late but it amazes me how unimpressive Big Hit remains vocally
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3 minutes ago, BAZISSINO said:
Ohh definitely have enough enough technique to be put next to yerin (has an ok lower range A3ish have showcased more connection in the upper range than yerin) she's also the only one who can produce a brighter open vowels way more impressive than the whole AA club even some "proficient" (if you kn you know lol )....her mixing is enough developed to cover haeri high ass repertoire and land more than just ok notes
SpoilerWho is that proficient vocalist you’re talking about ? Wendy ?
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1 hour ago, BAO127 said:
Hi! I just stumbled across this thread and have been reading back for like an hour, and I decided to make an account bc I wanted to ask: has WayV/NCT's Kun been discussed? I was rewatching the NCT 2020 recording diaries the other day and his performance in the recording booth surprised me negatively. I'd always thought he was a pretty good vocalist, he sounds fine in WayV's albums and I know he has a vocal position, but after those recording diaries I'm not sure what to think. He seems to have pitch and placement issues? Or maybe my ears are just defective, lmao, could be.
I noticed it most in Lightbulb:
And also in From Home:
What do you guys think of him as a vocalist? Just to clarify, I am absolutely not hating on Kun. I love him, and he undoubtedly has more talent in his pinky finger than I do in my entire body (Mans got a flipping pilot license on top of being an idol and designated WayV wrangler. The heck). Just curious about people's analysis. Thanks!
Oh Kun... He’s one of the weaker ones in NCT definitely. He really doesn’t support at all. I think even Yangyang is closer to support tbh (if he doesn’t support, I have not hear him sing a lot but the little I’ve heard is better than Kun). The difference in development between him and Doyoung is pretty evident here (that might not be fair for Kun because DY is NCT strongest vocalist but still), that Lightbulb video is supported vs unsupported material lol
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5 hours ago, G-me said:
I might be biased but I really think Taeyong is actually quite decent. Even before I became a fan I love his raps lol
I love the guy but it’s not. It’s quite bad but not Chanyeol bad yk at least. He’s a great center/main dancer however. Yangyang and Hendery are better but because SM sucks, no one mention them.
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8 minutes ago, aespadrilles said:
idk if you alr seen this but here, same song same key
the D3s at the beginning sounded supported to me. and since jaehyun is actually a tenor, him supporting as low as D3 would put him as... Mid-Low Range vocalist based on the blog? and since we don't know the extent of his mix yet, would his chest alone be enough to solidify him as A vocalist? personally I think he's still stronger than Xiaojun but I could be wrong.
Jaehyun supports down to C#3 in general, so yeah kind of. I don’t think it’s enough because we have people like Yonghwa who can support down to B2 but the mix.... It’s really all on his mix as of now lol, and I don’t think he supports past E4. I really hope he can make it to average though
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Filler members exist. Winwin, Shuhua, Yeri, Giselle... You aren’t going to tell me it would make a difference if they weren’t there.
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I was looking at the comment section of that male idol ranking video and I saw a lot of comments about ex Stray Kids Woojin being one of the strongest male idols in 4th gen vocally. Apparently for them he can support up to G4 and he was stronger than Doyoung before his improvement. Is any of that true ? I thought he was at Lia level tbh, I would be very surprised if it’s indeed true
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55 minutes ago, lighterxx said:
He is in 2 variety shows as permanent MC, has going seventeen too, doing Hitori janai promos while preparing for Korean CB, I would say he is VERY busy lol I guess doyoung is more free compared to him rip he did have a VLIVE few days ago tho he didn't do anything vocally interesting unless you count him kind of singing driver's license, last I saw as interesting was this towards end
Resident svt Wikipedia out
Lmao I love that you come everytime SVT is mentioned. I was talking about his singing related activities, I know he’s very active in general, but on variety shows.
I would mention DY is pretty busy tho he’s debuting as a musical actor if I remember well
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Official Vocals thread (READ OP FIRST)
in The Lobby
Posted · Edited by Lovely Dreams
Linking her vocal range
Well idk if it’s a Yuju situation or true... I was a fan so can someone tell where she’s now ?
https://youtu.be/6-FyfNvpEBs