Rei sakuma

as they should

The whole gang really. It's been discussed before that Heeseung, jay, sunoo, and sunghoon had their noses done. The rest are natural except for veneers. Honestly tho, they are the most plastic rookie boy group i've seen in a long while. usually they are never this polished from debut (same argument could be said with Aespa).

why is this kinda funny tho? IU's doing fine

Christian music kinda slaps ngl

Yeah she is absolutely stunning. She really has a face that matche her personality - bright and bubbly!

Honestly, I think yuqi looks a bit different but I'm not 100% convinced she had a nose job. Predebut: ^ her nose is noticeably a bit "bulbous" and flat at the tip. Less - filtered pictures now: ^ Her nose still has a very similar shape and size (although it does look a smidge thinner from certain perspectives. I think a major reason why many think she had a nose job is her filtered pictures. In most of the official pictures, the alar part of her nose is thinned out and her nostrils are closer together. Example: (^ she looks so cute here) Although after looking at her pictures back and forth for a few minutes, I definitely think she had her eyes done. The crease looks to be higher now and i think its what contributes to her looking different.

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Every time we talk about Tzuyu, we always argue. Why is that? I'm genuinely curious to know what she had done yet everyone seems to have different opinions.

Whoever clowned my post about Lucas having something done to his chin, can you please explain why? I'm genuinely curious as he really does look different. Others with similar opinions also got clowned so..

Oh no I think it might be some sort of chin/jaw implant. that part of his face seems to jut out so much more. you can really see it in comparison to these pictures: Judging from those photos, i think his nose may have also collapsed. His nose used to be straighter and pointier (as a result of filler) but in those photos it looks strange. Imo now he kinda looks like minho

Nooo why does he look kinda terrifying in this photo. The nose, chin, and especially the teeth really makes him look different. Has his top lip always sat on his teeth that way? why does it look overfilled?

the small blue text at the top says : "let's get silk sonic #1 on the billboard" the white middle text says: "congratulations on your comeback, Bruno mars!"

I think that's an average height for women although it might be relative. It also depends on where you're from/live. I'm 171 cm and where I'm from i'm considered to be quite tall (I was the tallest girl in my class and my height really made me stand out). Every time i walk around malls and such, i often tower over many people my age. I've heard that 160 is actually good for women since many clothes are cut to fit them. Most female kpop idols are also around 5'3 - 5'4 (158 - 164 ) and sometimes I get confused when international fans call them short (like for example, mamamoo or loona) because that is considered average for east asian countries. I've haven't been to many western countries so idk how tall people over there are. basically, I think height is subjective.

since we are kinda on the topic of ANS what do you guys think about the member Raon? I believe this is her predebut: First off all i've noticed that she is very beautiful and i doubt that she had much done. One big change that i've noticed is her nose: I see a bit of WJSN's seola in her nose now. from the bottom view it looks a pinched I do like the way it looks but i have to say now that her nose is slimmer, her face seems much bigger. I'm not too familiar with ANS but so far they seem to have pretty good surgeons.

I don't know how to explain this but alot of SuperM music reminds me of something Jason derulo would do. It's not really the lyrics or beat but i guess just the vibe. They both make me uncomfortable.

"We do" by SuperM is unlistenable. The falsetto voice they put on sounds like a car tire screeching over the generic beat. All of them are super talented but at this point SM is just embarrassing them. I'm not American (or from the west at all) but even I can tell that none of their title tracks are going to succeeded, their target is completely off. I can kind of understand what SM is doing putting all their best idols into the group (and they must be surprised at the negative response). I mean, I can combine all my favorite food together, but it doesn't mean that the outcome will be good. All their title tracks simultaneously both sounds cheap and like they are trying way too hard. I hope SM can do more research into American music and maybe drop songs similar to NSYNC and A1 (concepts like that would be a cultural reset ngl).

Compared to those photos, i think her lower face seems different. I'm not too sure though but her face overall seems smaller. ^ her jawline (from the side profile) used to be straight and in the picture you posted her jaw seems rounder.

Hey guys I wonder what is your opinions on kpop youtubers? more specifically, the ones that do the "ranking kpop idols according to korean beauty standards" type video. the most popular channels i see are Curry Curren and Not sosuperficial. If I'm being honest, I'm not a big fan of them. mostly because they are never consistent with their rankings and their comment section are quite toxic. Both of these channels seem to have a difficulty identifying skin tone and jaw shapes. Their videos also have a very passive aggressive tone, most of the compliments they give towards the "lesser attractive" member are very back handed. They also like to make up false rumors about the group they're talking about, like how koreans find them unattractive and such. All of this on top of how they can't even follow their own beauty rules properly. Like the second channel classified Hyewon, Winter, and Yeri as having pale skin when it's quite obvious that they don't. The comment section is also quite weird. They seem to think that every idol has to follow the beauty standard and they also use it as a weapon sometimes. Like I've seen comments like "oh, idol X has 80% of the standards and isn't the visual but idol Y with 70% is". I think most of these comments also come from the fact that these videos always alternate between ranking the idols by individual features or by overall facial composition/compatibility. Some of these people need to understand that companies chose visuals based on the style they're looking for and the standards isn't always necessary. for example if we were going to judge by individual features - Winwin and Jungwoo would be the visual in 127 instead of Jaehyun but SM prefer Jaehyun's overall facial composition more. Tzuyu and Nayeon also has the same individual features ranking but most people would say that Tzuyu is the official visual of twice. although visuals are very important in kpop, I doubt the hyper specific standards are.

Do i see a smoother nose bridge in these photos or am i just sleep deprived? In comparison to: I'm a bit suspicious of the second photo (one with the smooth bridge) because it's from a photoshoot and very likely edited. In the first picture, you can both see that the bridge has been straighten while the tip still points down. could this be because of nose fillers? If i'm being honest i never thought much about his visuals (i've mentioned that a couple of times) but him having a bumpy nose really solidifies his position as the best male visual for me. Just shows that perfect individual features are not as important as overall facial compatibility. I find it ironic that other male visuals undergo multiple surgeries to be perfect and cha eunwoo has the title while being "imperfect". I know natural beauty is kinda over rated at this point but certain faces are too randomly generated to be artificial.

Since we're on the topic of sm idols... what do you think of her? ^ this is from the sm rookies ^ these are stills of her from a video ^ this is a more recent picture of her this is lee Helen, a 0'3 liner, and the one most likely to be added to aespa soon. She joined a little later than Giselle (december of 2019) and she's most likely going to be a main dancer. she seems to have the same type of face like ningning and giselle (tan skin, rounder/flatter face). Since she has more time i suspect sm are busy changing her face right now. The last picture is most likely edited but i wouldn't be surprised if she debuts with a new nose and jaw.

I've also heard many people say that Ningning is the black sheep of aespa and i think it's because she seems very distant to the other members. Another thing is that many vocal critiques say that her vocals are underwhelming for a sm main vocal. They say that winter is almost on her level. but i do agree, i think Ningning is very pretty and definitely stands out in visuals. now for Giselle, I actually saw many international fans hyping her up on twitter. Her visuals are quite unique and some kfans are confused as to why sm signed her since she's not particularly that talented (although in her defense sm doesn't have the best rappers) or well fitted to the beauty standard. She also seems to have more of an american girl vibe to her (i'm guesing this is why international fans like her). I do like both Giselle and ningning and i think their addition in the group may be signaling that sm is changing their strict beauty standard and excepting different faces (although both of them are not void of surgery, i'm happy sm didn't put 4 karinas in a group).

Haseul from Loona has one of the most surprising tip work I've ever seen in Kpop tbh. I swear I thought that was her natural nose. What do you guys think of them? tbh I found some members to look quite unnatural and some members the opposite. Loona seriously has some really interesting faces. For example, Vivi - when i first saw her i thought she has a karina shave but apparently she's always had that jaw.

I definitely see the eyelids changes, especially in the inner corners. I think his nose also looks a bit more defined and downturned(?). I swear Winwin is the most natural looking idol under sm entertainment. He looks exactly the same pre debut.

Opinions on WJSN? I'm not sure if they've been discussed here yet but i want to talk about Seola. I've stanned her since i saw her love shot performance and i was wondering about her nose. It really seems like an implant. These are some pictures of her predebut: Her nose tip seems to be different and her bridge is much smoother now.

Yes! All of the above. Nose filler can be used for all those purposes. Although it often makes your nose look bigger since it adds volume, it can also be used to lift the nose tip. The most common nose filler in Kpop is the kind that makes your nose smoother or pointier. There are many types of nose fillers, the most common would be Hyaluronic acid which usually lasts at least 6 months and can also be dissolved. The dangers of nose fillers are a bit varied on each websites but the most common one would be death of the skin around the area (since the fillers block blood flow). Here are some good examples of nose fillers in Kpop: Mark Lee - here the filler is used to smooth out the bridge I actually believe he's had this done a few times. Chain era: SuperM's debut: I think @SepiaSkies has made a post discussing Haechan's nose changes and i think it's mostly just fillers. His nose tip and bridge constantly changes in size and sharpness. Along with mark, I believe he only gets in before comebacks.