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Speaking of Hybe 'family,' I'm starting to reconsider some things... When I was first introduced to them I thought Tae was bi, maybe gay, but after seeing how many people thought he was gay and he stopped mentioning women I shifted to exclusively into men. Now I'm wondering if there may be some lingering attraction to women after all. Not based on Tae's reaction necessarily - a man smiling at and joking with a woman doesn't mean he's attracted to her - but the reaction of the others are what's suspicious; it definitely seems like they gave him a ribbing after this interview. (For clarification I have NOT seen the full interview so this very well may be taken out of context)

I guess the question is then, why? People on twitter joke about how gay all of BTS/TXT (which is an exaggeration obv) and EN- is terminally heterosexual in comparison, so what would have changed? I'm by no means a company stan, but I'm curious why they would start suppressing their artists like that if they haven't in the past. I know a LOT has changed since then but remember Bang PD gave Jo Kwon his first pair of heels. Of course a possible gag order could be coming from someone else but

Oh okay fair! I misinterpreted and thought you were saying you as well only got 'straight vibes' so I was asking what those were, but I totally agree with what you mean. I was pressing you because it also irks me when people are like "yeah this person has indicated interest in queer media/possible attraction to men/potential bf(?) but... have you heard Expensive Girl?????" and discredit the possibility of someone being LGBT because they don't fit your preconceived notions of what that looks like. But I have also noticed that phenomenon a lot, and I agree that Vibes are hard to explain. I just think it's disingenious in general to say that interpreting someone as straight due to heterosexual Vibes is more valid than interpreting someone as queer due to gay Vibes, which I feel like people subconsciously argue pretty often.

Could you elaborate?

I know nothing about Seventeen but I see Vernon's name all the time here and on twitter related to how "great of an ally!" he is, and (again, idk him) I've wondered why people don't see him as more than that. Is it just because he doesn't give any gay vibes? I'm of the opinion due to my own experience that many people who express interest or solidarity with LGBTQ often are members of the community themselves, whether or not they've realized it yet. This isn't to say that straight allies don't exist, but I can't name the number of times I've had friends/known people who didn't know why but were really into queer media or allyship and realized years down the line that they felt that connection for a reason. Again I don't know him at all but I'm just curious why people think he is only an ally Edit: I was typing this at the same time the above post was published and after reading that I'm claiming him for the bisexuals ^

I highly, highly doubt Soobin is homophobic, unless it's internalized. He and Yeonjun are or were the main fanservice duo but YJ always gave more to it than he reciprocated, but I think part of that is due to uncomfortability with being kissed/cuddled/etc. because he IS attracted to men. We've briefly discussed what it must be like or how hard it is for closeted idols who have to "act gay" but could never actually come out - Soobin doesn't seem especially bothered by it imo, but I think if he does look uncomfortable that's why because... he just really seems gay to most of us. He's well known for his 'admiration' for Jin, who regularly ranks on polls of gay men's favorite idols. You may or may not use this as an indicator but his music taste is pretty gay as well. Basically rather than homophobia I think there may be other reasons he isn't as overtly flamboyant as say Yeonjun who puts the others to shame in terms of campiness

I'm assuming by egg accounts these are unverified twitter accounts? Yeah I would trust that even less tbh, anyone can create 10+ random accounts to spin a rumor and make it seem like others corroborate it Gotta feed the y/ns somehow

I wish there was a "respectfully disagree" reaction as opposed to just skulls and clowns

My perspective is that if Yoongi had no other moments or indicators of being queer, I would probably write it off as gay bravado (and I did in my earlier days of liking them). But since this is not an isolated incident, and we know his predilection towards wordplay and double entendres, why couldn't it be both? Like, part of it is the rapper posturing thing, but the double meaning comes from him actually having those feelings of attraction as well. Especially since songs like Agust D are about his success despite the haters or expectations of others, and his potential sexuality would be another way of other rappers supposedly exerting superiority over him. So instead he owns it and is saying "and what are you going to do about it?" I just don't think it has to be either/or, he could have both intentions and that's what I've been assuming

This thread occasionally uses butt touching as a receipt so I'd like to raise you:

I wonder if it's overcompensation? Like, they have an inkling these people are gay but they don't want to acknowledge it so they ship them extra hard w the opposite gender Edit: the self-insert is a very good point you see this with solos all the time

Twitter consensus is that they are all very straight except for Sunoo who is very gay

Why so salty? Lol

No man could ever surpass Ronald Reagan-nim

ain't no damn way Chittaphon "Ten" Leechaiyapornkul is straight mans is not even hiding it and good for him I really don't think anyone is arguing that Ten and Taeyong are mlm, that's been addressed before and people generally seem to agree. Where the line is being drawn is saying they're a couple. It's okay if you ship them and think they're dating or whatever but if other people don't that doesn't take away from their gay-ness Like I think there are probably more gay men (and women) in kpop than people think but do I believe they're dating each other? Especially within the same group? No, that just sounds messy as hell and too risky to be wise. You can find hidden/cut/"sus" moments of almost ANY pairing and it's easy to attribute it to the company hiding something - I'll admit I've done it too - but the truth is probably far more benign. Anyway you can ship what you'd like but people are disagreeing with you not for saying Tenyong like guys, but specifically that they are romantically involved which for some seems like a bridge too far

How do you know they're straight though? This is still all just speculation. You might have different opinions than someone else but that doesn't mean you should complain about it

Hobi is someone who sends my gaydar into a fritz. Around debut he was Very camp-y and he loved up on Jimin like it was his job. But as the group got older he definitely showed visible maturation in terms of his persona at least and now... I'm not so sure. I honestly would not be surprised if he were gay, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's a sometimes effeminate straight guy either. I do think it's a weird narrative where fans (not just you I see this a lot) try to paint him as "sadistic" and claim that correlates with his sexuality? This probably isn't the intention but it draws too many parallels with gay men and hypersexualization to me. *of course there are other receipts like his "boyfr- girlfriend" slip and the bi colors in the Daydream mv but ymmv I also want to say that I really don't think NJ hates being touched - he may not love it and it still seems akward for for him sometimes, but he's certainly learned to adapt to the needs of his members in that aspect. The exception to his uncomfortablility with physical affection seems to be Jimin, and I think in large part that's because he (and Yoongi) have gotten used to it. Jimin's love language is physical touch and NJ and YG have become accustomed to it and reciprocate it because they recognize he needs that assurance. All this is to say, I don't think predilection towards/aversion to physical affection means someone is gay/straight or homophobic, it's just not natural for everyone and NJ and YG have learned to adapt I don't really think there are any, aside from sexual gestures. Mostly I think they're sort of running jokes. Like earlier someone mentioned JK could be bi because he does peace signs a lot - I've actually only seen the 'bisexual finger guns' stereotype, but I don't think anyone takes that as a genuine indicator of sexuality. It's just a fun trope, like cuffed jeans and flannels, so it shouldn't be taken seriously

Ugh I hate that i'm engaging but this is a very limited view of gender... a man has a male body, a woman has a female body (and someone gnc has whatever the f^ck body they want)

It was moreso towards Josaline and I see what you're saying, but I don't think it has anything to do with sexuality. Also I don't like saying two members hugging or something is 'fanservice' because they are allowed to and do have legitimately affectionate relationships with one another

I agree Hobi isn't AS big on fanservice in recent years (but um... debut jihope anyone?) but I don't think he was like. Bothered by Jimin sitting on him...It's a 5 second clip I don't think it's that serious if my friend sat on my lap I wouldn't know how to react either but it's not bc I'm heterosexual

I get what you mean about being able to tell someone is gay by their speech patterns but there are plenty of gay men who are perfectly straight-passing, so I don't think that's a fair reason to argue someone isn't queer.

Well we know Jimin is a barb

A great account for lgbt armys to find comfort is going on hiatus because a 150k follower account said to unfollow them bc they don't post enough about jikook... I hate it here I don't think it needs to be said in this thread but just in case: if you are straight (or even non-mlm) and you have gay ships that DOES NOT MAKE YOU AN ALLY TO THE LGBTQ COMMUNITY Especially if you harass an account simply because they don't post the content you want to see my god

Mostly bi on this thread specifically yeah but other LGBT spaces on quora and twitter at least say gay