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It's been like a billion years since I've visited this thread (or OH tbh) but heard SJ's new song. I loved it! I kinda missed out on their last cb but this song is a bop! Anyone know how long they're promoting for? I like the direction their music is going in. It's been awhile since I've liked an SM title track from any of their artists so this is refreshing.

Really? They kind of remind me of EunHae... whether its BFFs or more they're adorably inseparable and kind of all over each other 24/7

 

To me, they're not really anything like Eunhae at all. Xiuhan is more like Eunhae, the best friend vibes without all that much legitimate sexual tension (you could argue there is sexual feelings from one member of each pairing towards the other member but I think they're similar in that both pairings give a feeling of that sexual feeling being one sided or not reciprocated in the same way by the other member aka Xiumin don't want Luhan's dick nor does Eunhyuk want Donghae's dick but that's another discussion).

 

Anyways, Taohun is different in that yea they're best friends and clingy but there is like an underlying intimacy (sexual and otherwise) between them that makes them different than the typical bffs. Things that Eunhae do as best friends isn't abnormal (when you take the obvious fan service aspect of their relationship away) whereas things are a little more than suspicious with Taohun (and that's taking into account they don't even really do fan service per say).

 

So in that way, they remind me alot of Heechul and Hangeng and I think if Tao ever left EXO, Sehun would have as much of a breakdown as Heechul did when Hangeng left. Just my opinion though, not saying they're exactly the same or that Taohun is even in a relationship (they're the most suspicious so I wouldn't be surprised but it's also very likely they're not anything more than good friends. Doesn't matter much to me either way in that regard).

blast from the past 

Yesterday Irin drop by. And today it's you.

How are you?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

what is he doing?

 

My wifey came by yesterday? Oh damn, I miss her ;A;. But yea, it's been what? since Yesung's enlistment since I posted here? Been awhile lol. Don't even know how many of the old regulars still post here often. But I've been good, don't come around to OH much anymore but SJ is making a comeback (FINALLLLLLLLYYYYYYYYYYY PRAISE THE LAWD) and it's my boo's bday so I had to drop by . Will lurk around a bit along the course of their comeback. I miss them alot 

It's my hubby's bday in korea y'all

 

 

He's officially an old geezer. Welcome to the 30's club Yesung, I'll get you a cane as a bday gift 

Your words actually further prove my opinion of him being smart, because he didn't jump head first into the water and instead took a time to understand his surroundings before revealing who he is. We need to remember that he was brought in only 1 year before the group debuted, he didn't receive as much training on how to behave as the rest of china-line so he had to self teach himself and lay low until he has the dynamics on lock, and sometimes even if you are talkative, when there are people doing most of the talking you don't feel the need to step in, kris used to be in charge of answering critical questions and layhan are the troll buddies, tao is always cornered because of the seating line up, so it comes as no surprise he was holding back.

It's only now that the group is getting more stable thus more freedom and the fact that he has gotten very comfortable with someone encouraging that he finally found his own place.

He's not naive about life by any means, i think a pure tao stan needs to elaborate on how he went to hongkong on his own to work at a young age plus his pre-debut posts where he had no filter and no multiple eyes to judge his every word and action.

And someone who is quiet in real life wouldn't be able to gather friends everywhere he goes the way he does, people don't really care about the quiet ones, you need to be a chatter box and indulge them in what they think to win their fondness.

 

I think it was the other way around actually. He jumped head first with his real personality, got a ton of shit for it, then constructed an image for himself that would allow him to survive the idol world. 

 

In general, I disagree with aspects but this is the Taohun thread, not the Tao thread so I'll just leave it here.

Aren't we all? I don't think we know our own selves fully to know him. There is the idol image to consider too, even if he says he won't lie to us, but it's not true. In conclusion, all of us are just making assumptions.

 

It's just that the way he pictures him downright reminds me of submissive manga characters, and that's... well... unrealistic in my opinion. It's manga fantasy for a reason.

 

Does someone this witty seem like someone dumb, naive and quiet?

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smh they are really doing this on purpose

 

I didn't take his comments as literally as you might have so I didn't get that image but I could be wrong. I think the qualities he was talking about are more relevant to 2012 Tao than now but I think they were there at the time. He was naive, innocent, and more quite than he is now. But as you grow and experience things, you become less so as I believe he has. Personally I think Tao is more quite and shy in real life than the ABSTYLE side he always shows on camera. Not to say that that aspect of him is fake, just that he plays it up more in the cameras because being his more reclusive self didn't really get him anything but hate before. It might be a form of protection or trying to adapt to the idol life as best he can. I never have and never will think he's dumb though, but I don't believe AjiaG actually meant he was literally dumb anyways. 

as usual fangirls are mean

since you guys talk about Tao and his relationship with yehetguy, I'll give my two cents

 

From what I’ve observed so far (it’s not like I did it intentionally, yehetguy is attached to the hip with Tao it’s hard to unsee him) yes, I acknowledge his..interest to Tao. Though I wouldn’t go so far as to say he loves Tao that way or is in a relationship with him. Being gay is really, really hard (I live in the society where the elder either pity gay people or pretend as if it’s nothing, and where the younger talk about them behind their back but still try to treat them equally, in short everything appears in a mask, in pretence. And somehow you can feel it, always being stared at, ignored, avoided  ostracized) trust me, once a person is aware of this deviate sexuality they will fall into anxiety..

 

While I personally think Tao is gay, admitting that yourself is gay to other person is like putting your future at risk, unless you trust that person 100% to keep your secrets or that person is gay himself and admit it first. And I still doubt it that Sehun is gay and Tao will spill his secrets to him.

 

When he was young, Tao said in his predebut account that he was always attended by his granny because his parent were too busy to take care of him, this explains his feminine and shy mannerisms (look at his 2012 self, it is his TRUE self he couldn’t even hide it). This could also be the major reason why he carves for attentions from others, especially from guys (he’s thirsty for father’s love, he got mama love from his granny, but not enough love from his father). This side of him is the FIRST reason why I fell for him, I just have this thing for this type of a guy. Innocent, naive, spoiled, dumb, shy, affectionate, doesn’t really talk much. I have to admit this side of him reminds me of someone, thus I fell for him.

 

If Tao ever had a crush, I almost think it was Kris (there I said it you don’t need to kill me I’ll jump off a cliff myself)...........But I think he hates Kris now.

It’s funny though, by the time Kris left, Sehun is all over Tao now, like he doesn’t even bother hiding it that it starts to annoy me. Wether he really cares about Tao or ... Nah.. I need to observe him more.

Maybe Sehun is originally straight, or....hasn’e even tasted a first love yet but got attached to a guy instead of a girl. Of it was the case, that means he’s just another victim of a gay, like me.

 

I wrote a long essay...blame all of you.

 

Interesting, I actually agree with you on many things in regards to Tao as a person, especially craving attention from men (to me, that's obvious and his innocence is one of the reasons men flock to him so easily imo but to each their own) and his 2012 self being closer to his real self than 2013 and on for several reasons.

 

Tao is quite a complicated person, in some ways he's easy to read but in other ways he isn't. I think people tend to pigeon hold him in one image or another instead of looking at all his sides hence the vast differences in opinions about him. 

alot of people are like that. don't you mind. 

 

And yes! He's in Exo-mafia for a reason.

 

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Anyone remember TikTakTao? Ran told me the master of the fansite isn't a true fan of Tao but uses him for profit. I have no idea if it's true or not but if it is, it's awful. I am really disappointed since I like their fancams and pics so much. According to this https://twitter.com/answer_fansite/ 

 

Why would that be awful? All fansites use it for profit to some degrees or else they wouldn't be able to afford to do half the shit they do. It doesn't really matter if they're really a Tao fan or not imo, they still put in alot of time and effort for him so if they make something out of it, I don't see why that would be a bad thing so long as they're not cheating fans out of money or something (like if they collected money for something Tao related but then actually just ran off with the money for themselves. Something along those lines).

You know, I don't think I've ever laughed so hard to the point of something inside of me breaking, but I think I just might have.

 

 

Glad to hear!   You seem like you need a little more joy in your life so I'm happy I could provide it for you today. No need to thank me, charity work is in my blood    Enjoy the rest of your day Regina 

You should have known by the end of the first paragraph that you weren't going to get anything out of it, yet you continued reading. Probably because it subconsciously made sense to you, seeing as it is a strict objective illustration. But it's okay to deny that, since looking at your badges, I'm assuming you don't know how to handle the objective.

 

 

Where is this evidence? Please show me the tangible evidence. (I don't actually expect you to post evidence btw. This is there Google is your friend is inserted. Correct?)

 

I like how you say my argument doesn't 'hold up', but in the same post you admit that Sehun's seemingly negative reaction is much more apparent with Kai. Hmmm, something else that is quite suspect. (And yes, I have been going back and forth with Sekai, but just as you said in an earlier post, Sekai are brothers. And blood is  thicker than water.)

 

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Check out this thread: http://onehallyu.com/index.php?/topic/64740-petitiontofreehuangzitao2k14/

 

And since you already read my other post then you should already know my explanation for why he's more obvious with Kai. It's not suspicious at all really. I've said time and again that Sehun is close with both but in different ways. It's a fact. From his own mouth. But I mean good luck making up your mind on SeKai. Taohun is always gonna be there so I understand it must be a constant struggle for you. 

 When Tao gets close to Suho, Chanyeol, Baekhyun (or anyone else for that matter), Sehun doesn't seem to care. It's only when Tao is with Kai that Sehun gets 'possessive'. 

 

 It would definitely explain why it's only Kai that seems to get a reaction out of Sehun when Tao is involved.

 

Not true in the least bit. Kai is not and has not been the only member to receive that kind of treatment from Sehun. There's been plenty of evidence of that. It's just more blatant with Kai. So your argument doesn't really hold up. But I don't even think you're being all that serious given your back and forth opinion of SeKai. Quite assuming I must say.

Haha YES. I always see her sticking up for Tao and praising him but she always lets us know that he isn't her main bias XD

 

I'm also guessing Chen

 

Can't help it, love the kid and I can't stand people being assholes about someone so nice. He's literally done nothing to warrent the hate he got (no EXO member does but they don't get it as bad as he does on this forum until recently when more Tao stans came out of hiding and I finally wasn't like the go to person to defend him anymore lol. Y'all could've have came a little earlier and helped a girl out ya know? :P)

 

And in the end you didn't tell me? LOL jk Aww I understand gurl. I talked to you since page 4-5 or something. I remember Tao wasn't my main bias too and I was so hurt for him and I got all defensive. Even if he's not your main bias, I really appreciate the fact that you still defend for him and contribute your posts to this thread and other Tao related threads. Hey, remember how I included you to the birthday post? You're like one of us now, accept it or not haha I have no idea who your main bias is. Is it DO or Baekhyun? 

 

No problem , I love Tao regardless of if he's my main or not so I'll defend him whenever I feel it's necessary. And thanks

 

 

I love the way you talk about Tao. "defend his ass" I feel like you have protective feelings for him. Sometimes Tao draws out the motherly feelings out of me too. He does that to a lot of people. Thanks for sticking up to Tao. I have always had a feeling that he is like an underdog; now that I know about the situation back in 2012 with his fandom, I am almost in tears. Poor Tao.

 

Thanks Hailang for translating and explaining things to us. I wish I were there to defend him against the haters in 2012.

 

Tao you have my promise. Even though I could not be there with you in the beginning, I will stay with you till the end!

 

Thanks and yea I'm protective of him. He's nice guy, in real life or in a kpop forum, I don't stand for people being hateful for things that are so trivial and silly. I don't care if people dislike him but if you cross the line, then I'm calling your ass out on it. No one should take any of this seriously enough to stop being decent humans.

 

Reveeaaaalllll :D

 

:P I'll keep you waiting a little longer haha

 

 

 

yup she's basically have the reputation of defending him through anything!!

 

 

 

Lol yea I know, I'm sure people expect me to show up if his name is even mentioned. Might as well just own the title now lol

 

Thank you! He brings the protectiveness out of me and he is worth it. Never regretted stanning him. Any headache and heartache is worth it.

 

 

You welcome, this brief history is written by exo-skeletons on tumblr . This brief history is only a part of it. I think you will probably cry when you read the full version after we are done translating. And yeah, a lot of his fans vowed to stay with him until the end and it is practically impossible for a lot of fans to un-stan him now. He connects with fans on an emotional level and a lot of his fans doesn't just view him as an idol that entertains but a human being that they respect and admire. He gave a lot of hope to a lot of people. 

 

Cool, there was another one I read on tumblr about his family background that I thought was important too. Someone should post that one as well because I think it had something to do with the whole Kris thing. But thanks for all your efforts, there's a couple of Tao blogs that I see posting alot of info about him from the C-fandom that alot might not know and I think you two are some of them if I remember correctly so thanks

Really? Tao is not your main bias? o.o And yeah, canwenotmafeels is me on tumblr

 

No he's not. I always had a soft spot for him though and all the time I spend defending him nonstop when the hate for him got really bad on this forum shot him right up to my top 3. I like to talk about him the most though because he's the most interesting and I like his fanbase the best of all the members.

 

lol lovegurl you always have to clarify that fact. It makes me wonder who's your main bias. 

 

I KNOWWWWW! It's my fault though, I set myself up lol. I posted in like every Tao thread and defended his ass so much (I even got people telling me I was their fav Tao stan lol) and now I basically only post in Tao threads and I know that I do a really shitty job at stanning my main bias publicly. But I promise, Tao really isn't my main lol. Yes, I like talking about him the most because I find him the most dynamic, yes I talk to his fans the most because I like them the best, yes I stan his body harder than I probably stan my own bias but in the end, when my bias opens his mouth, he's the only one I'm paying attention to so that makes him my #1 still. But like I said, I'm really bad at making that known on this board lol. In the old boards, he was the only one I would ever talk about but on here that's changed so anyone who didn't use to on hallyu8 and such probably doesn't know.

 

lmao i think we should do a guess game to know who is lovergurl bias

 

Go for it lol. Some people already know though so you should tell them to not blurt it out yet :P

I will make a thread about it later after Exo-skeletons and I translated everything, we are almost there, will probably post it tomorrow on tumblr and then make a thread here.

 

Oh cool. I would have posted this in a thread but I figure a Tao stan should do it (Tao isn't my main bias though at this point people probably associate me as one anyways lol).

 

But wait, are you canwenotmafeels on tumblr? Because when I saw the post on tumblr I remember Exo-skeletons mentioned that username so I'm assuming that's you? 

Wow, this is really intense. Are things better for him and his popularity right now? 

 

Yes. ALOT better. He still gets hate (mainly from Kris stans) but his fanbase is big now so they're able to fight off alot of hate than back in 2012. And yes, his popularity is has gotten bigger. His fanbase is the older crowd though so they don't tend to be as rabid as the teen fans that someone like Luhan and Kris have, they mainly stick to themselves and only really make their presence known when Tao needs them.

 

Regarding that Tao post though, someone should actually make a thread about it. I think there is still alot of people that don't know about the things he went through (most ppl wouldn't unless they follow C-fandom news tbh, they always know everything first). It could help make people aware. Just a suggestion.

Dang 100 pages? I remember this thread was stuck at like page 7 or something for the longest time and then all of the sudden it was moving 485738953959485 pages a day. Guess everyone caught the bug once the China Trip happened.

 

Ahh well, Happy 100th

Hyuk with that hair is looking suave as fuck

I agree with those two statements. But with "their relationship will be the same" I don't agree. Their relationship had been changing for a long time. Before, Tao sees Kris as a role model and someone he really admires (He still does but it is not the same). As someone posted about before, Tao literally had stars in his eyes while looking up to Kris. After the first disappearance, there were changes to their relationship. I don't know how to explain it, someone before explained it really well about how their relationship was in a constant shift.

 

 

I should have explained better. By the same, I mean the level of closeness. Their relationship will of course change regardless of if the lawsuit happened or not because the people in said relationship are bound to change (especially given Tao is still growing up). So I agree there was a shift in how they might view each other as individuals (a more realistic view on Tao's part than he initially had of Kris possibly) but that doesn't necessarily mean there was a change in how tight they were (maybe publicly but personally, I always thought that was more because of Kris and his need to be private and the whole Taoris thing than due to Tao). They still made it a point to talk about each other and Tao still had the same school girl expressions when Kris gave him his attention even after Kris tried to leave, it was just a calmer degree than MAMA era Taoris which partially has to do with Tao growing up.

 

But I do think Tao was more weary or cautious after that. But even so, sometimes if you have a really strong bond with someone, you're willing to ignore things that might be in the back of your mind for the sake of the relationship.

He does change his mind a lot. It can be a slip or he could had change his mind but one think we do know is that he was checking up on Kris like the times Kris was on weibo when EXO was having their concerts to check on them. They definitely have soft spots for each other but I don't have such optimistic views of their future relationship because I don't think their relationship will ever be as close as before (but even before, Kris kept a lot of things to himself and doesn't seem to talk about his problems with Tao that Tao even asked him to not stress by himself and rely on him). There are limits to Tao's forgiveness even though he is extremely softhearted, the hurt he felt not once, and probably even more than twice isn't something that can be easily healed. For them to rekindle their relationship, Kris needs to be honest and tell Tao what the hell went on. I have no doubt that Tao will sit down with him and talk if the time comes but I can't say the same for Kris since he always kept his problems to himself and had a hard time expressing himself (the reasons are going to be important too, was it stress? Health problems? Another dream? Better opportunities?). In addition, Kris knows that the lawsuit is going to ruin relationships when he decided that he isn't going to tell the members and surprise them with it. He is more than prepared for his own path in exchange for the ruined friendships (maybe he was hoping time will heal the relationships but who knows). All I know is their relationship will never be the same, for better or worst.  

 

 

If it was any other member, I'd agree. But it's Kris, so imo it doesn't necessarily apply to their relationship. They were on whole other level so most likely Tao will forgive him, but yes it'll take alot of time since the hurt is probably deeper than we know considering who hurt him.

 

Also, I think Tao already knows the reasons Kris left. Kris is an individual, honestly he was never meant to be in an idol group. It's pretty clear that being a solo star is the best route for him, he's bigger than what EXO can offer him. Tao is the same so in that sentiment they probably understand each other but they have different approaches. Kris most likely felt EXO was holding him back and he felt he had to leave, Tao on the other hand is probably seeing EXO as a stepping stone to use to it to get himself the career he wants as an individual. That's probably where their views clash and why Tao doesn't understand why Kris feels he has to leave to get what he wants. But I mean, sometimes you gotta seek out your own happiness before you can make others happy. And that's sometimes going to include hurting those you love. Personally, I can't ever fault Kris for it. He did whatever he felt was right at the moment for him for his own reasons that none of us are privvy to.

 

I think their relationship will be the same but that this next time Tao allows Kris back into his life, it has to be for good. If he betrays him again, then I think that'll be the end of their relationship as they know it. Either he'll cut him off completely (doubt it though) or they'll remain friends but never to the same level. Kris will try though. I think people have a misconception that Tao needs Kris more than vice versa but really it's the opposite. In my opinion anyways. 

Tao liking that post wasn't an accident, by any means. He did it because he wanted to, then he changed his mind and decided to unlike it. It's not the first time nor the last. He has a habit of doing things impulsively and then taking it back. Fits his personality tbh. Though yes, sometimes his fingers does just slip up.

 

Also, I definitely don't think this is the end of Taoris. I'm not a shipper of them so it doesn't necessarily matter to me what becomes of their relationship but I'm pretty sure it's not over. It'll just take some time on Tao's part to forgive him and alot of work on Kris' part to get Tao to trust him again. But anyway, they have a weak spot for each other regardless of how their fans treat each other or them. I think Kris leaving EXO is probably one of the best things that'll happen to Tao and Kris as individuals and career wise which might help out their relationship in the future. 

For me personally, Tao is both bottom/submissive in position and character. I see many people saying Tao is really dominant in character because he initiates a lot of interactions and moments and he is always the one that is back-hugging and doing the touching.

But I see it differently because I not only observe Taohun but other Tao ships. Tao seems like he does these skinships because he wants the members to do it back to him (like he wanted Chanyeol to back-hug him and grab his hands to do it but Chanyeol was like "what" o.O). When Suho carried Tao on his back, Tao had this really shy and happy smile on his face because he is being taken care of (Tao wanted Sehun to carry him but Sehun just kept on walking). And the Taokai and Taoris is pretty obvious. Tao isn't used to people initiating moments with him because he is usually the one doing it and some members just let him do it but doesn't reciprocate back. Especially with the Taokai moments when Kai really reciprocate Tao's hug back by actually hugging him fully (and Tao looks really really happy) and other moments when Kai wipes Tao's mouth and touch his nose and Tao gets shock and nervous at first but then silently lets him continue. Tao seems dominant in character but he is actually a softie and gives in really easily (like he whines to Kris asking him to buy him things and pouts but doesn't continue to struggle about it and just follows Kris out of the store without a fuss). I think he is more of a bottom because I see more of his fanboys that are gay (or straight guys that really likes him) wanting to top him instead of him topping them. I have read fanaccounts of guys wanting to tease him because he kinds of bring that side out of them or they think he is really fussy/kinky in bed and want to struggle against him and win against him.   

 

I agree that he is bottom and submissive but when it applies to the sexual aspect. Sehun is definitely the more dominant of the two in this pairing in terms of overall personality but Tao isn't exactly submissive in personality either, he's just more cautious whereas Sehun is impulsive and spontaneous. But Sehun seems the type that wants to have things done his way and always has to get what he wants and Tao seems the type that once he sets his mind to something, there is no changing it and he definitely isn't the type to be told what to do. He has to find out the hard way for him to listen. So I wouldn't say either is submissive in overall personality but that Sehun is the more dominant and definitely the more dominant if you mean sexually. In terms of positions, Tao is a bottom through and through. You can easily tell he yearns to be pinned down rather than the one doing the pinning. Whereas Sehun doesn't mind either way imo. But in general, Taohun probably wouldn't limit themselves.

 

But yes, men is general are very responsive to Tao regardless of sexual orientation. People seem to have this idea that men are most attracted to DO in EXO but it's actually Tao. His fans just don't talk about it as much as DO fans seem to. But his fanboy list is much longer than any other member's I've seen.

Yes, the better word is definitely possessiveness, I think Sehun is possessive in his friendship with Tao. What you say makes lots of sense. Kai doesn't have any "real" authority over him so he probably does feel more comfortable interfering in those moments. Kai often times just lets Sehun interrupt without much consequence so it's likely Sehun finds it easier to be more bold in those situations.

 

I agree with you, in that it is common behavior to be territorial over friends, for me, the interesting this is that SeKai is definitely a thing, and SeKai is also  seemingly more of a thing than TaoKai is , so I don't get why Sehun reacts to TaoKai  the way he does; and Tao is always the target, not Kai, even if Kai initiates the moment, Sehun always "takes it out" on Tao. But it could simple be that Sehun interprets TaoHun as being closer than SeKai and so Tao is the one he should be possessive over instead of Kai.  

 

Sorry this is late, I don't come around as often.

 

The reason why Sehun acts differently towards Kai and Tao is because while Sekai are close, they're not the same type of close as Taohun are. Sekai aren't best friends, I don't think either have ever seen each other as such really and it's not something that seems to bother either, they're more like brothers. As in they can talk to each other, care and love for each other, but they're not gonna spend every waking moment with each other or care about what the other is doing most of the time. Just like brothers. They can only handle each other in doses before they have to separate and do their own thing. Taohun are best friends. Whatever else people think they are is irrelevant, at their core that's what they are. It's not so much Sehun being closer to one or the other as it is Sehun having a different type of relationship with both, thus having different sets of expectations. Guys don't tend to get territorial over someone they view as a brother but they definitely do to someone they view as a best friend, because that's the person they spend the majority of their time with and spill all their secrets to. So he's not gonna care about what Kai is doing or with who, it's not his concern, but he does with Tao because that's his territory. That's typically how ultra close bffs seem to work in my experience. 

 

Also, some people are using Top/Bottom and Dominant/Submissive interchangeably but those are two totally different things. One is just about sexual position and the other is about the overall character and demeanor of the person. A person can be Top without being the Dominant one and vice versa so which are you guys referring to? The position or the character? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sehun isn't really jealous though, he's possessive and protective. There is definitely a difference. He doesn't do it only to Kai either but he shows it more with Kai because Kai doesn't have any real authority over him in the cultural sense (as in they're around the same age so he doesn't have to show him as much respect the way he does with his other hyungs. Kai is his equal more or less). Putting Taohun's relationship aside, it just comes across to me as common social friendship behavior. Like when people get territorial over their friends when they deem someone else overstepping their boundaries and interfering in said friendship. Which doesn't necessarily translate to jealousy.

 

Anyways, just throwing in my 2 cents. Carry on

Sad Ending is so pretty! I've been replaying it nonstop. I really like Eternity too.

 

And have I mentioned HYUKKKKKKKKKK

what? did the stream stop? so the timer was not for the MV but for the official album release? 

 

Yes. The MV was already shown, the countdown was for the release of the album and song online/offline. I thought that's what they stated initially?