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  1. I love when you talk about old time in the thread. It makes it look like you had a great time as Inner circle friends. 

    Why did I have to join during such a bad time....

     

    I guess me and wnr00 joined in the same week!! We're sisters  :lol:

    lol they were good times but lots of waiting, there was a time the thread was the most active on OH cause all ICs did was talk :lol: ,It's good now too tho it's fun but it's too bad this mess had to happen. 

     

     

    which reminds me i will pick up korean again this winter break so i can be much more helpful digging through korean sns

    i keep hearing about this pictures thing, where they at?...pics, or it didn't happen..in other words "are they bluffing"?

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    Kfans hold so much power but it doesn't give them the right to be so exclusive ...Ifans are as important you know..

    hell yeah i'm curious...

    Here's the thing, they ain't making it sound like they got little petty receipt,s they make it sound like they got some BIG ASS RECEIPTS with LOTS OF WEIGHT AND POWER . Like you're seeing for yourself they are dropping him one by one and i highly doubt fans would drop them for some stupid shit like "he didn't wave back too me at the airport". Which is why im making so many questions right now

     

    i ALWAYS had a sense that k-fans for the most part ain't cool with I-fans and feel like they have sole rights about their idols, they feel like they have ownership over them and don't like to share them which is ridiculous cuz Idols appreciate I-fans as much as Korean fans so WHATTARETHEYDOIN? :wth:

    here's the thing tbh I TOO WANNA KNOW. And Kfans are acting all mighty about all of this "we dropping him but we aint telling you why" THE FU?? :unimpressed:  :wth:  Like IF THEY ARE SO SURE ABOUT EVERYTHING AND CAN BACK UP EVERYTHING THEY ARE SAYING, WHY NOT JUST SAY IT AND STOP PLAYING GAMES WITH I-FANS? like wtf are I-fans gonna do about it if things they say they know turn out to be true?? sure, if they turn to be false, I-Fans are gonna stomp on them with heels but like i said, if they are so damn sure why act so mysterious and not give explanations? 

    omffuu GOMIIEE!!! WHATEVER HAPPENED TO HER

    is she still around? we were a couple BanGomie

    omg :rlytearpls:  :rlytearpls:  :rlytearpls:

    I think k-fans never fully trust i-fans with this sort of thing, not just ics it;s jut k-fans in general, there are a lot of things they block from our knowledge cause it's "exclusive" stuff plus if it's bad enough they probably don't want to mess Taehyun up.  I don't want it to be public cause Taehyun will suffer but I personally want to know just so I can lay it to peace. so it's conflicting wish there was some way to know without it blowing up lol. 

     

    She's not very active for the last few months  :rlytearpls:

  2. pictures of Taehyun???  :wth:  :wth:  :wth:

    who's Olivia?

    omg i been gone for so long i get replies from users like you who i do not know, omg i feel like i just joined the thread AND fandom again 

    Hi, I'm Bang, don't let my badges fool you, although Jongup is my ULT Bias, Mino is my bias  :har:  i used to be so freaking active in this thread (and so  thirsty for Mino is ridiculous hahaha) , you could say i was pretty famous, "legendary" tbh :hoplz:  :dave: hell, I even became a co-founder of the winner 18+ thread  :har:  :har:  :har:  good times, good times  :rlytearpls:

    lol this reminds me of GOMIE 

  3. It sounds like they just protected him and tolerated him because he was part of Winner. But him leaving and his IG message thing was like the last straw. They just dropped him. I guess there was no reason for them to continue supporting/protecting him?

     

     

     

    THIS. They are so chill about it but wont say anything. For one thing I can call them messy if they were hating on him but oddly enough, the ones I see on twitter are not. All they said was "we are ot4 and not supporting Taehyun," when I-fans ask why they say "because there are other stuff you dont know. and no I wont share them." and thats it. then they post a bunch of OT4 pics. 

     

    I mean if I am even able to notice how odd everything was with Nammie for the past couple months...like imagine what the kfans themselves know that actually live there. And that worries me.

     

    I do know some rumors that seem pretty plausible to the whole situation. Not sure if I should post it here tho...I guess PM if you curious?

    I don't want to know but I lowkey also want to know wth happened, what could it be for so many of them to drop him so nonchalantly 

  4. OKAY THIS IS STARTED TO CREEP ME OUT like THIS IS SERIOUSLY SOME WEIRD ASS PATTERN

    why all of the sudden korean fans dropping him? When they were as supportive of all of OT5 as much as we are??

    How do they JUST DROP HIM like that after all these years??

    I really don't know that's why this is so weird, most of them were former OT5 and now it's like bam OT4.  They said they won't reveal why but that's even worse because it gives people  the idea that he must have fucked up hard or some sort of crazy shit for them to drop him if even some fansites and regular ics come out saying this stuff plus he has no agency atm so he's in a delicate spot.   Whatever the reason it must be something wide-spreed in the k-ics community cause they all jumping on it

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  5. first of all HELLO! I KNOW I BEEN MIA but  I am now a senior in college and this is my last semester prior to my internship so i went away from OH to focus on my last semester in this HELL HOLE.

    second. Hope everyone had a great thanksgiven, those who live in the usa.

    third: sorry 'Merica messed up and made Trump the new president

    now back to business

    W.T.F IS GOING ON WITH KOREAN FANS?!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I use my intermediate Korean levels which helps a lot tbh and i went digging around Korean Twitter and I came across with a bunch of Korean fans DROPPING TAEHYUN, i even saw an account making it seem like she is undecisive whether to say something or not now that Taehyun left..okay? WHAT? 

    Also im looking at the fans that are dropping him and THEY AREN'T EVEN ANTIS! THEY WERE LEGIT 0T5 FANS! and now suddenly one by one they are dropping him. I keep reading the same thing over and over "from now on to me Winner is 4 and I will support Mino, Jinwoo, Seungyoon and Seunghoon" okay they are saying that but they don't even mention Taehyun when it comes to showing support with him as well in his solo career. They LEGIT DROPPING TAEHYUN. They pulling their old OT5 PICS since they were OT5 fans and ARE CROPPING TAEHYUN OUT.

    WTF DID I COME TO??!! I NEED ANSWERS

    WHAT THIS IS?! WHAT ARE KOREAN FANS DOING?!

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    EDIT: Im looking at their Instagram accounts and i see massive support FROM KOREAN FANS towards the other members and it is mostly and if not only International fans like us that are showing support for Taehyun, some are even spamming the other members asking about Taehyun, some people are even being really nasty towards them saying why they let Taehyun leave, that they will drop Winner cuz Winner is OT5 not OT4 and demanding to bring Taehyun back, there's someone spamming Seungyoon like crazy calling him a traitor to Taehyun. 

    I LITERALLY AM LIKE

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    Welcome back  :rlytearpls:

     

    It's a flat out mess right now, some rumors have been spreading about Taehyun and why he left the group, a good amount of k-ics are pissed and state their intentions to drop him and that he did a lot of "things" that they have held back but this is the final straw but refuse to go further,  btw like no proof that is legit has been presented for international fans yet but some pretty big k-ics are already OT4 and want nothing to do with Taehyun  :._.:

  6. My issue is while saying Taehyun has done things to make them this upset beyond the letter isn't that creating a perfect opportunity for people to speculate and witch hunt him? this wasn't very credible until it was found that it was legit k-ics in the mess and not just randoms.  I don't know what Taehyun did to piss them off and I guess it must have been something of relative size if they are willing to turn their back on him so quickly but if this indeed is simply because they are emotional this is really disappointing because these aren't accusations to play around with, they could ruin a lot of doors for him.

     

    The lack of sharing is not really an issue because I understand they have no obligation to say anything but it's hard to come to any type of conclusion of how to treat this whole scenario while knowing little to nothing.  

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  7. I did not expect this at all! I really thought Incles were mature enought to hadle it well. I didn't see this coming.

    I'm honestly shocked

     

    I did not expect this at all! I really thought Incles were mature enought to hadle it well. I didn't see this coming.

    I'm honestly shocked

    Me too  :._.: hope it calms down, I wonder what exactly is setting them off to this direction, why suddenly turn like this? what are the reasons they are unwilling to discuss?

  8. Even though this is all hypothetical anyway, but without being somewhat naive all the boys adored Taehyun and would do pretty much anything for him to be comfortable to assist him in any shape or form, he was really their only maknae and they all strike me as fiercely loyal towards Taehyun and within the group itself and were always empathetic to Taehyun's frame of mind and temperament.  

     

    Mino is cut from the same cloth as Block B, they stuck together through thick or thin, P.O had very serious mental health issues and was hospitalised for a very long time and they all had a torrid time for several years together due to little promotions company issues which is common knowledge, I don't see Mino or Yoon Hoon or Jinwoo abandoning no-one unless very serious mitigating circumstances such as personal health occurred, but I'm probably beating a dead horse here, the toughest thing to concede we will never fully know.  

     

    I completely agree with your last sentiments, though what I will give to Taehyun is he is a very determined resourceful guy and in some sense has always been a single-minded driven guy, though I do believe in the adage if you want to go fast go alone, if you want to go far, go together which Namtae himself of course has used in the past, whether as an ardent believer of the quote or a self reminder.     

    I have had my doubts over how close they really are over the years at passing moments but the title Winner is one thing I always sensed a mutual protecting they all did, the value of the fame they have, the value of success, it didn't come easy for any of them but people who had to leap over obstacles usually treasure what they reach fiercely. 

     

    Mino has kept the same group of friends since middle school/high school, that tells a lot about the type of person he is.   Block B really is a story that is inspiring how they managed to overcome all the issues is unbelievable. 

     

    Ah I wonder how he feels about that quote now :rlytearpls: .

  9. Hmm I doubt that tho~ I remember seeing on bp thread before that jennie follows taehyun and Mino on her private ig. And that Jisoo, Seungyoon & dara photo sitting together where jisoo leans so much on Seungyoon is very telling that their at least comfortable with each other.

     

    Ikr! Jinwoo is actually a playboy underneath his deer image :ohpressor:

    I bet he'll request a kiss scene for their next mvs/teasers. :ninja:

    Wow really :omg: such a flop fan lol  I didn't know she follows them  :rlytearpls: wonder if she still follows Taehyun?.  I know of the Jisoo and Yoon photo but I wasn't sure if they were fully friends, hope they are tho.

     

    LOL he's the only one left :lol: 

    Damn wasn't expecting this so fast

  10. We will never know the whole truth, but for me I need some sense of an idea of what occurred because most of all what is important for me is if Taehyun left on good terms with the rest of the members, above everything else that friendship they had was a thing I invested in. 

     

    In any industry outside of Kpop, U.S and U.K record labels rarely give you freedom unless its independent and you are always somewhat limited as a group, Taehyun compared to most had a great opportunity releasing his composed music in a mainstream environment, though the promotions were not ideal.

     

    Nam Taehyun endured plenty of time through long trainee days for someone who doesn't like restrictions and even if he is sensitive regarding the feedback criticism regarding his music and charts, I have never sensed he's uncomfortable with fame, his instagram has always exhibited personal editorial photographs outside of usual promotions and he is in love with the whole notion of being an artist and draws parallels and fascination with legends like Beatles and Queen and the reality is they didn't have it so easy with their record labels. etc

     

    The only mitigating circumstances which would make Taehyuns departure viable for me is mental health issues, because if YG treated or penalised him and pushed him out, the rest of the members would not have stood for it 100% it would have been all for one and one for all, however whilst news came about his mental health issue the usual thing is to take an hiatus away from everything including social media, Taehyun did not reflect this, in fact it felt he was providing a statement that he was okay and more than capable of creating music by sharing his soundcloud and photo's, and Taehyun in his statement shared he would like to continue doing music which I assume is in the public domain, going independent and alone is more likely to be stressful than being with his four older brothers.

     

    If Taehyun by his own admission decided to leave due to anything other than mental/physical health issues, then I would be sorely disappointed he didn't stick by his members until their contract ran out.

     

    The silly girlfriend rumor would be the most easiest to digest for me as he was just young and blinded by love, everything else seems too scary to fathom for me.  

    So glad you pointed it out, I didn't know how to express it but this is the vibe I received from him as well. 

     

    The only thing I hope from this all is that they did not abandon each other like it didn't become OT4 vs Taehyun, I wish/hope that they sat down as 5 and spoke about it and came to a conclusion, it would be so empty for me if they just had a falling out and don't speak at all or something of the sort.

     

    It will be hard road to travel alone that's for sure.

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  11. lol but I honestly cant ship any bp member to winner boys although seungyoon and jisoo is only a year apart, they look siblings in my eyes lol

     

     

     

    For real! Image-wise and experience-wise based on their interviews and themes of songs I cant if you still think their innocent boys.

     

    I'm sure even Jinwoo who is the designated 'innocent person' had it, haves it and will have more~ :ninja:

    I thought I would start getting some ships out of them but I'm not even sure they know each other  :lol:  :lol: they have like NO interactions at all.  

     

    Jinwoo is the real player  :hurr: he just uses the innocent deer act as a front  :meow:.  There is a reason Mino didn't want him around his sister  :imstupid:

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  12. I've personally met an array of riveting people and stanned idols with polar opposite personalities and Taehyun probably still comes out near the top when it comes down to how truly enigmatic he is.

    He's temperamental and deeply passionate about music, I'm not surprised that when he was under so much inhibition and boundaries about his music (a musical house arrest as you called it)  that he might have made unfavorable decisions.

    He was basically a staved and deprived artist, he was never fully given the freedom to make music and show it off and if that did set him off and caused him to rebel...I wouldn't doubt it. That's not essentially out of character and sometimes it can all just come down to cries for help but with yg's management, it was probably never appropriately addressed and with his depression and inner struggles...

    it might have been his last straw hence not even his love for music and winner could make him live under this permanent condition.

     

    Namtae could have been dating, why are incles surprised? Winner has never shied away from alluding to relationships in their music or music videos, they're fairly explicit. But for dating to be the reason behind his leave...it just doesn't add up and honestly Winner especially Namtae has some hellish antis, I'm not surprised they're weaving a bigger story by the minute. Like I said, there could be truths but I doubt it's the whole reason.

     

    A desperate person could make some very unexpected decisions especially those that's looking for an escape but I'd suggest y'all to not believe this dating issue as a conclusive fact.

     

    I have typed my answer like 3 times but it keeps getting erased so I think spoiler is not working for me so I'll just type it out normally. 

     

    Being an idol itself is already enough of a collar to carry but add to that the micro-managing of YG it's probably hell for someone as free spirited and art focused as Taehyun,  It was a ticking time bomb and unfortunately it had to end up this way, he reminds me of a lot of rock band's members I follow in his attitude and that just doesn't seem to fit with the way k-pop works. 

     

    LOL no one should be surprised about dating, you can't get as blunt as the way Winner has carried on about it. 

     

    It's best to wait for now, like you said even if their is truth to it no way the whole truth will be told since neither him or Winner will probably fully address it

     

    I can already sense a rise of SONGKIM :ninja: ready to overthrow the original SONGKIM ship LOOL

    Don't tell YG  :ninja:

     

    I hope it was yg's car

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  13. That's what I also thought when I give my Blackpink example of line distribution for them. I think he'll be the Jennie of WINNER now lol

     

     

     

     

     

    My tl is also on fire right now lol both I-fans and K-fans are doing the most. I'll just wait for a solid proofs but either way, no matter what the truth is, It's already useless to ponder on this things because again as I said many times this past hours he already left. It's best to just look forward on what's next for the boys and support them because they need it the most.

    Mino Kim  :hurr:

  14. I know!! I was just saying....

     

    Here, this twitter is basically telling to i-ic what's going on among k-ic

     

    https://twitter.com/love4winner/status/802598545496752129

     

    I know!! I was just saying....

     

    Here, this twitter is basically telling to i-ic what's going on among k-ic

     

    https://twitter.com/love4winner/status/802598545496752129

    Oh ok misunderstood 

  15. That's also my pet peeve on this situation. Some people act like WINNER cannot stand up without Taehyun. Of course it will be hard at first but I dont doubt them not to find a way to make things work between the four of them.

     

    Now that you gave examples on people yg let fade as you said, I feel like he'll gamble and give WINNER a comeback. I mean none of them are considered the 'troublemaker' and they tend to themselves so maybe he might give them a comeback next year.

     

     

    I understand that its really a human nature to seek who to turn to and find reason for things. But people also lives on dramas they even spread rumors from an egg account created just hours ago saying that she's a k-fan. Im just :rollingeyes:

     

     

    me too but that getting kicked out bcos of dating sounds like bs to me unless he did more horrid things that can actually damaged yg and Winner's reputation and he did not budge on warnings to him but other than that I'm eh on this situation. I just hope they leave the boys, It will not bring any good to anyone because at the end of the day he already left

     

     

    Yeah he's most likely the lead vocal now. Yoon might get all the highnotes now but I dont doubt that Jinwoo can go and sing beyond. Most of the lines given to him are very limited on range so we cant really know how much more he can sing but his crooked stage on exit tour showed us his confidence so I wont doubt him on this new role of him. And of course more singing rapperline will be heard. I actually expect them to have more harmonizing parts on their new songs as their all both good on that and can actually contribute to the another different sound that they'll present on us.

    I don't know if its weird but I actually think Mino is pretty good vocal lol not sure about technique but I really like his tone and that one performance when he was messing around and they were laughing at him actually sounded pretty good to me  :lol:

     

    it's not my fault that they couldn't afford a hotel room

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    Now you know Winnugus are on a tight budget  :hurr:

  16.  I haven't seen any solid proof or source so far.

     

     

    And honestly i hope it's true. You go boy, get some action.

     

     

    Nothing wrong with him dating or having intercourse but If it's true he will get hunted again and a lot of fans will probably drop him and that is the absolute worse thing that could happen to him right now so I really hope it's not besides that it would not be the best look if people started thinking he dropped Winner for his gf :unsure: 

     

  17. so mino in the studio and taehyun in the car

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    yeah I agree.

    I think he just couldn't deal with the restrictions that comes with being an idol.

    LMAO stop it 

     

    Honestly, I've always dismissed him since he never really has anything valuable in his opinions for you to ponder about.

    What does he actually know about the inner workings of YG and Winner?

    He takes popular a narrative [that Taehyun is problematic & temperamental] and further spins his own story to get popular.

     

     

    With Taehyun's absense, it's going to stretch the remaining 4 musically and force them to really explore their talents. It's one positive out of the situation as next year is absolutely crucial for them and it's going to be 2017 that determines whether or not they can make a fulsome recovery.

     

     

    Taehyun's character is one that can be easily misunderstood, that much of it was visible since WIN.

    You had mnet dramatizing everything but deep down, TH was enigmatic in ways that captured the best and worst of people's intentions.

    Not to mention, he has persistent and venomous antis that are dead set on ruining his career to the point that it'd be impossible for him to return to the music industry.

     

    There's a lot of unanswered questions and holes in official statements that makes it unavoidable for questions to arise but I believe in Taehyun and know that he's not careless enough to make decisions that jeopardizes Winner's future.

    It's just blend of unfortunate circumstances that led us to this mess- poor company support, no opportunities to flourish and with Namtae's inner struggles..sometimes it all just overflows and you really need to escape the situation to live...sometimes things does get bad to the point that not even the people you love and your passion is enough to persuade you to stay.

     

     

    If I was to even entertain the rumors as truth since the environment is not stable in the first place how does one expected the people that are forcefully being placed under musical house arrest to be perfectly well behaved especially someone like Taehyun who loves music to such a depth, it wouldn't be shocking if he did indeed make some decisions that weren't the best ideas at the time, if you are stuck in a pot hole you will look for any escape so maybe his gf presented that for him but to drop his career, his group, his music and his earnings all for that doesn't add up to well for me, it's not like he doesn't know how important this all is.  I hope it's not true but I'll try to not say anything solidly on it since it's likely we will never know much about it unless some huge reveal takes place

     

     

    F*cking heatbreakin

     

    https://instagram.com/p/BNUXxdvhV1E/

     

    I just realized the ppic they removed from Youtube official channel was the EXIT promo. Does this mean EXIT is officially cancelled?

      :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  

  18. Really? FML Then I hope 2017 and the years to cime will be good years for them and us.

     

     

    yeah the car one is funny lol but I guess people are taking this as credible because its been circulating for months now in weibo and among kfans. Personally, Idc about this things now because they already separated ways and no need to dig for reasons on what went down on them because things already happened. I feel bad for Taehyun, idk who can shield him from this rumors/antis

     

     

    I'm also interested on how their dynamic as four singers will be. But I can honestly see them going on BPs direction where the rapperline will have more singing lines aside from their raplines and of course as balanced as possible like they always do.

    haha we got a get a good year at some point right  :hurr:

     

    For me it's not so hard to believe he and the members clashed or that he clashed with management but all because of dating? since when does YG care about dating lol maybe if it's a really big scandal like car sex then ok but to kick him out of the group over that makes little sense since there have been worse things that happened before. Overall they don't have any solid proof so they are as good as those fan-accounts you hear circulating once any member leaves a group

     

     

    I wonder if Jinwoo will be a lead vocal now? I think if he has improved as much as members alluded to he can do it.  Maybe Hoon and Mino will sing more like you said the BP approach isn't too far from the possibilities

     

     

    You all should keep in mind that not everyone saying things about Taehyun right now are antis... for all we know it could very well be true. YG's statements are off, Taehyun's behavior was off the whole year and this whole situation is off... tbh i'm still not buying the version we've been fed so far. There's something else and we most likely will never 100% know what really happened but yeah, it's just weird how quickly YG let him go considering Taehyun was clearly his favorite in Winner.

    Maybe not but it's a possibility just the same as these rumors being true, maybe I'm too paranoid but I won't put it pass them to go after him at this time it's not like he has a company to defend him at this point.  I'm not saying it can't be true or that I can't see any of this being part of the truth just that it's not solid enough to me. 

  19. But I remember christian (mv director) tweeting(?) or saying that they really have a 19+ mv but it will be up to yg to release it.

     

     

    For real! I dont think they ever had any good whole year aside from 2014 since being WINNER. We fans also deserved a good year with them.

    Even 2014 wasn't so good cause of all the Taehyun scandals  :cry:

     

    I honestly can't seem to detach Taehyun from Winner, he's such an integral part of the group...WOT5 is already deeply ingrained into my brain BUT I'm willing to support Winner when they come back renewed with a varied sound. It's definitely an exciting prospect..hearing a stronger SY & Mino influence on the group's music. I hope to see more input from everyone.

    And of course, whenever Taehyun feels ready to return and in any shape or form, I'll be there.

    Praying that 2017 will be good to all of them.

     

     

     

    Also, at the moment, I'm not sure if Taehyun antis or adamant yg defenders piss me off more. TH has already left the group, I hate seeing the slander follow him, people have been attacking him since WIN because he has outlandish personality. (And by that, I don't mean it's a bad thing, I've always loved that side of him...I connect with him on that level). TH has really aggressive and vile antis, it hurts me to see people still attacking him despite knowing his condition.

     

     

     

     

    I am interested to see what role Jinwoo will take now, in all interviews the members say he has been working hard on his vocals so I wonder what's going to happen.  Knowing Taehyun will still release music on his own makes this a little easier for me but still OT5 forever 

     

     

    His k-antis are especially venomous and seem to be able to make an actual impact on how people view him unfortunately (just hope that nasty journalist doesn't pick this up) so I am not surprised if they are behind these rumors, we don't know the truth of course so anything is possible but no real solid proof has been posted just regular dot connecting with no solid backing, It's not exactly out of Taehyun's character to clash with others as he seems very passionate and fiery which is usually a personality type that is easily misunderstood but I just don't see enough to sway me and besides can't he just find a hotel why a car  :lol: 

     

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