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  1. The 2016 fight for Melon #1 was between GFriend, who were nobodies, and Twice, JYP's chief act.

     

    At first GFriend had the advantage, but Cheer Up became an international hit (Korea and Japan), and Navillera, I might have to say was the beginning of end of GFriend.

     

    Fast forward 5 years, GFriend is no more but now another unknown act challenged for the throne.

     

    With the help of ex-soldiers in Korea, Rollin challenged the yearly Melon #1 .

     

    But .... its new song was,I have to say, not a national hit as expected.

     

    It was expected that with the hot summer and the boast created with the new song, Rollin would remain strong during the summer and march on to #1 in the Yearly Melon, robbing KPop's Senior Singer its first and probably only chance for the elusive yearly #1.

     

    However, with summer ending, it is unlikely that Rollin will sail past Celebrity for its quest to the yearly #1

     

    Somebody in Korea calculated the date when Rollin will overtake Celebrity in the Melon #1

     

    https://gall.dcinside.com/mgallery/board/view/?id=gaon&no=4512723&s_type=search_subject_memo&s_keyword=롤린&page=1

     

    He ended the list today, because it was expected that Rollin will overtake Celebrity on .. January 05, 2022, meaning it won't go past Celebrity no matter what it  does from now.

     

    BG will have a comeback late this month, but with autumn coming (and Lee Jieun's song generally doing better in autumn and winter while Bg's songs are mostly geared towards summer), it has become impossible for BG to beat KPop's Senior Singer at Yearly Melon chart.

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  2. It might be a bit early for a Grand Prize prediction, but it is unlikely that the current situation is going to change significantly since songs released after August are rarely contenders for Grand Prizes.

     

    Before I begin, I must say this:

     

    Brave Girls are NOT eligible for Grand Prize for Rollin since Rollin is a 2017 song.

     

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    As for now, there are only three credible candidates for Grand Prizes, BTS (Butter) IU (Celebrity) and aespa (Next Level).

    There are now three major grand prizes.

     

    Melon

     

    All three Categories - BTS

     

    The reason is IU has not appeared in Melon for quite a while and is unlikely to do so, and Melon does not like to give prizes to SM acts unless it is really strong.

     

    MAMA

    Artist - BTS

    Album  - BTS

     

    Song -

     

    it becomes quite iffy.

     

    If Lee Jieun shows up there, for the first time she received a Lifetime Achievement Award (which made her a Senior Singer) on 2014 when she was ... 21, she will be given the Song Prize. She might be given the Artist Prize if MAMA feels like it but I don't see it.

     

    If she does not show up,

     

    I think the Grand Prize will be given to aespa, since it is a SM act, and the first 4th generation act which has a shot at the Grand Prize. If aespa's upcoming album,expected to be released sometime later this year, is good it will probably win unless IU shows up.

     

    Golden Disk

     

    Album - BTS

    Digital - aespa

     

    IU won this year so she is unlikely to show up again at there. So aespa will probably win the Digital Grand Prize.

  3. 2 hours ago, Josaline said:

    This means that even after the company takes its share and the money is divided into seven parts, BTS earns more than IU lol 

    And didn't IU have to sell 3 other her places to buy that place?

    She only sold one, the cheapest of her holdings, and still holds on to the infamous property which revealed her real estate savvy and another one she bought for her family members.

     

    Lee Jieun earns about $14-16 million a year, with a large profit which she keeps for herself (Estimated to be $9 million in 2017, her peak year). It is easy to keep track since she is the only singer in her company which she effectively owns. (Shin Sekyung, who joined IU's company, brought her own staff so they will be accounted separately)

    To top that, BTS members should have earned north of $60 million in 2020. After all these cuts Hype took.

     

    It is possible with the stock gift, they might have exceeded IU last year.

     

  4. On 7/27/2021 at 12:28 PM, Josaline said:

    It obviously hasn't been updated well enough because the stakes BTS members own in HYBE alone are worth more than $15 million. Each member PUBLICLY has 75,000 HYBE stock. 

     

    BTS endorsements fee is around $2.59-$4.91M per ad! Let's just talk about endorsements from 2018-Present. So BTS has had around 44 endorsements since 2018. 8 being BT21 related so if you want to merge those together you can.. these endorsements include both global endorsements like McDonalds, Samsung, FILA, LG, and Hyundai, and TINYTAN and korean deals like Lemona, Bodyfriend, Coway, Chilsung. As well as Games like BTS World and BTS UNIVERSE. I don't even include the revenues from fan product sales as in McDonalds.

    They also have income from tours, album sales, and royalties. RM, Jimin, Jin, Suga, and Tae all have their own homes worth more than $5 million. J-Hope has 2 houses. Jungkook bought a villa worth $7 million. All of them paid in cash. Also, Jin runs a restaurant with 2 branches with his older brother. I think that their net worth per member is around $50-70 million

    The fundamental difference between BTS and Lee Jieun is that BTS has to share its earnings with the company then 7 ways while Lee Jieun has to share her earnings with the company, where she is the effective owner, and with no other teammates. Which is why Jungkook lives in a $7 million house and Lee Jieun in a $11.7 million house.

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  5. On 7/26/2021 at 2:35 PM, pwswan said:

    Well, he founded a company that has eight soloists and an unknown number of trainees; he's currently preparing to debut a boy group. So he's probably worth a few bucks here and there.

    You know his family is very wealthy to begin with. They were worth about $400 million during the height of Gangnam.

  6. 11 hours ago, bbgc said:

    You should add JYP is technically not the CEO - NOW.

    But anyway the point of the post, was to setup and run a company as the authority of final decision, whatever the designation is called - CEO, Chairman, President etc.,

    That IU is not 'officially', whereas the others are, or at least 'were'.

    Though unofficially, it is already reported that LOEN staff were calling IU as 'Chairman' only half-jokingly

    which is why she established Edam , putting her long time manager as the CEO running day to day management

  7. 53 minutes ago, hynapia said:

    But according to your post, JYP was 26 and YHS was 28 when they founded their companies and said companies are successful. 26, 27 and 28 are the same age range. Anything below 30 is considered fairly young, especially to run your own company.

    In today's world they can just use proxies to run their company, as Lee Jieun is doing. She acted like Lee Jidong, a character of hers being used when she has to act humble, to welcome the actress Shin Sekhyung.

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  8. 1 hour ago, bbgc said:

    De facto vs. De Jure.

    On paper, she is not the CEO of any company. Of course as the single act under EDAM (until recently) or consistently the dominant earner for Kakao M, she would have immense influence on the companies. Yet that does not make her the CEO.

    Even if you allege that she owns 60% of EDAM via proxies or my speculation that she owns good stake in Kakao M and maybe Antenna etc. Still does not make her the CEO.

    And there is a world of difference between what LSM,YG,JYP, BH achieved  - starting companies in nascent industry, particularly the first 3 against running an established company.

    Age alone is not a factor in that.

    JYP is technically not the CEO of JYP Entertainment

    YG is technically not the CEO of YG Entertainment

    Yoon Jongshin is technically not the CEO of Mystic.

    Even Hitman Bang Shihyuk gave up the seat of CEO, letting someone else run the day to day operation while he , retaining just the title of Chairman.

     

     

    That is standard in Korean entertainment industry where the CEO is the person meeting the bankers and other company figures, when the chief figure is too busy doing something else. It is unusual that Antenna 's  CEO is Yoo Heeyeol, which might be why Antenna is not going anywhere.

     

    It is likely that Lee Jieun exchanged her shares in KakaoM with her stake at Edam.

     

    She herself competed against the three major companies and Hybe for a long time so she deserves to be in this list

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  9. There is a rumor that SM is being sold to Kakao, and vice versa (SM will buy some shares of Kakao who will support SM's digital media efforts).

    The reason there is a rumor that SM is going to be sold is because Lee Sooman is getting older and his sons are young.

     

    However, his sons are not that young.

    His older son was reportedly born in 1994 and wrote lyrics for SNSD (Hoot) and EXO(Let out the beast) . (Not much is known about his younger son)

    27 is not a young age.

     

    Although Lee Sooman, born in 1952 and founded SM at 1995, was not a young person when he founded his company,

    other company owners were much younger when they founded their company.

     

    Park Jinyoung , born in 1971, founded JYP at 1997 , when he was 26. He immediately debuted a singer named Jinjoo at the same year, and produced Park Jiyoon on the next year. So JYP was already a company when Park Jinyoung would have been the same age with what Lee Sooman's older son now is.

     

    Yang Hyunsuk, born 1970, founded YG at 1998, when he was 28. (He already founded a company called Hyun Entertainment at age 26, which was disbanded after Keep Six, a group YG had produced, went nowhere, and started anew on 1998) He had Jinusean under his belt so he was also producing others at the age.

     

    Bang Shihyuk, born 1972, founded Big Hit at 2005, when he was still under JYP's thumb. So he was not an old man when he founded his company as well.

    Someone might say times have changed.

     

    However, there is a famous owner who is still active at a young age. Lee Jieun, born 1993, effectively began to run the KakaoM music division herself from 2015, long before she founded Edam Entertainment at the age of 27. (Although Edam is partially owned by Kakao, when JYP started his company it also had a complex ownership with the actors' agency SidusHQ and also cube). Lee Jieun has not produced anyone yet but she began to run an actor's agency this year.

    So , ignoring birthdays , Lee Sooman is 69, Park Jinyoung is 50, Yang Hyunsuk is 51, Bang Shihyuk is 49 and Lee Jieun is 28.

    So, there would be no problem for Lee Sooman's sons to run the company, since Park Jinyoung, Yang Hyunsuk and Lee Jieun had founded their companies in their 20s and ran them.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  10. 18 hours ago, Drama Drama Drama said:

    Kakao wants to get more power on the audiovisual area for that reason are buying incomes in the top tiers actors agencies as BH, Soop, Kingkong, the Park Seojoon or Hyun Bin companies. EDAM opening the sublabel actors area is sign how some friends actors of Lee Jieun will be sign to EDAM. Maybe Yoo InNa will be abandon YG soon.

    I always thought the next step of EDAM was the idols group produced by IU but maybe take the actors agency way is a good alternative thinking about actors agencies can do alliance with Kakao or Netflix stream and make kdramas full of actors from same agency.

    About Spotify power I can observe better aceptation than Apple Music but it's expensive so users still not high. But it's really amazing how Kakao was defeated by Spotify during march 2021 boicot.

    Ps. @Yknockercan you make a relation about paralelism between IU and EXO success bc it seems like she always respected them without feel them as menace to her crown. Maybe because they are from same generation.

     

    Edam is effectively owned by IU although Kakao still has its 40%. It appears Lee Jieun has decided producing an idol group is too risky, and go for an easier route. The market is saturated, Hybe, Sm and JYP dominate and newer acts from smaller companies have not too much recourses, including Weeekly (which used to be under IU's company, but was , after a long story, eventually moved to PlayM, Apink's company owned by KakaoM. Since IU saw how Weeekly was developed, had a lot of struggles to debut and now kind of buried by other acts, she has an indirect experience of developing an idol group.)

     

    KPop acts are now aiming for spotify, weakening the iron grip of Meon.

     

    Parallelism with EXO is difficult since EXO is a different act from 2012-2014 and after that. After the departure of Wu Yifan and Luhan, EXO was never the same.

     

     

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    20 hours ago, bbgc said:

    All things eventually pass.

    So you keep predicting the "defeat/retirement" of IU, on regular basis, since how many years?, linking it to every event associated to Kpop, someday your prediction will come true.

    Your basic premise is not wrong, Kpop needs to internationalize, given how small the Korean market is. 

    But what you don't explore is, that any such expansion will come with more dilution of what makes Kpop unique and also far more competition. After the initial novelty period, maybe a few Kpop acts will arrive at the top of charts, but most will not - IU or not IU.

    How long do you think BTS will rule Spotify ? or even any Kpop act?

    All things eventually pass. And after 13 year - 10 years at the top of her field, quite long for the field, IU's legacy is secure.

    After all more people look at Napoleon with admiration than Wellington and remember Wellington only in the context of Napoleon.

     

     

    BTS will rule spotify for a while, but the change has been made . Newer KPop acts now aim for spotify, and Melon has become a junior league. Rollin was the last major song to be big in Melon before it became a league for also rans.

     

    Napoleon has no legacy now, but the Duke of Wellington (now the 9th) is still around as seen in this photo with Prince Charles of UK

     

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  12. 22 hours ago, Elessar said:

    Melon is now allowing international fans to create accounts without korean numbers, I dont know so far if this mean buying streaming pass but something will change in that app in the future. I guess they saw the numbers of korean users leaving for genie and youtube music and started panicking lol

    Even if IU is dominating this year with celebrity and the other songs from her album, I expected her doing way more tbh, but she is still way bigger than anyone in korea in streaming.

    Her days are numbered in Kore which is why she added Shin Sekyung, an actress, in her company so she would gain income managing other actresses instead of singing .

  13. During the Napoleonic Wars, Britain's iron control of the seas was decisive for the long war against the French Emperor. As long as Bonaparte did not have control of the seas, he had no recourse against whatever England did.

    Robert Fulton of USA invented the steamship. He offered to sell it to Napoleon but the latter ignored the offer. Later, when Napoleon was being shipped to St. Helena, he saw a steamship and remained silent for the rest of the day.

     

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    During the great KPop War , which began in 2007, subsided around 2013 and rekindled in 2017, all the Kpop acts had no recourse over IU, whose control of Melon was ironclad.

     

    No matter how famous , how successful and how big an act was outside of Korea, inside there they had no control over the Loen/KakaoM singer, who continued to humiliate a Kpop act after another like a child's play.

    As long as Melon was around Lee Jieun could not be vanquished.

     

    Apple Music made an attempt in Korea but it went nowhere because KakaoM did NOT allow singers under its belt to join there.

     

    In K-O-R-E-A, Melon was a lot much more equal than other digital music sellers, and Melon's chief singer enjoyed the status enabled by the biggest music seller and chart trend maker.

     

    Although Melon lost a lot of credency by turning a blind eye to balladists of dubious quality whose music was liked by very few, its iron control continued.

     

    And, because IU was seen defeating one act after another in Korea, i-fans began to have a false sense of importance on Lee Jieun, who never really promoted outside of Korea after the short stint in Japan in 2012-13.

     

    But then, Spotify appeared to the scene.

     

    While IU had an iron control of Melon, in Spotify BTS, BlackPink, Twice, Stray Kids  Red Velvet and others did better than the so called Queen of Korean Digital Music.

    With everyone playing in the same field, the true status of KPop's Senior Singer was known, and suddenly her iron grip in Korea weakened sgnificantly.

     

    Most Streamed K-Pop Artists Globally

    1. BTS
    2. BLACKPINK
    3. TWICE
    4. Stray Kids
    5. Red Velvet 
    6. EXO
    7. SEVENTEEN 
    8. IU
    9. NCT 127
    10. (G)I-DLE

     

     

    The so called Queen of Korean Digitals scored a whooping #8, showing her grip was not that strong to begin with. In fact it was quite rare for a domesticist to rank that high.

     

    In March 2021 Spotify removed all digitals run through KakaoM in Korea and around the world, and KakaoM had to basically unconditionally surrender in March 10, 2021.

     

    That broke KakaoM's power, and Lee Jieun's iron grip in Melon suddenly stopped being relevant.

    So that meant BTS was the digital Emperor of KPop, and IU was an also ran after BlackPink, Twice, Stray Kids, Red Velvet, Exo and Seventeen.

    The impact of this is huge .... Lee Jieun put the actress Shin Sekyung in Edam, effectively owned by IU, telling the world that Edam will be another actors' agency which means Lee Jieun largely retires from singing.

     

    That means the world do not have to worry about IU striking against KPop in 2024-25 when BTS has lost some steam, and recapturing KPop's Initiative and putting everything back to the past as if nothing had happened, something she actually almost succeeded in 2014.

     

    Without Spotify, the iron grip of Lee Jieun in Korea might not have broken at all; because BTS had mastered Spotify while Lee Jieun was still stuck in Melon, KPop was finally able to escape from the iron grip of Melon and IU.

     

     

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  14. 1 hour ago, jello-kitty88 said:

    Given that BTS have already said they would serve, I recon that even if they were given an exemption they would still serve.🤔

    Also, who is this 'Senior Singer' you mentioned? 🤔🤷‍♀️

    IU who became a Senior Singer when MAMA gave her a lifetime achievement award.

     

    She (her company  Edam is virtually owned by her) added the actress Shin Sekyung to her company, meaning she will emphasize more on the acting side, since BTS is too much of a wall even for her to overcome.

  15. 15 minutes ago, AstroBaby said:

    ik Huening is a reference to the German last name which is which makes sense bc their dad is a white German-Brazilian but I have no idea where Bahiyih comes from or how to pronounce it...

    As far as I know, they were Bahai. Bahai is a religion which originated in Persia, a syncretic belief mixing Christianity, Islam and other religions around that neighborhood. Kai says he is a Catholic, since Bahaism is virtually unknown in Korea.

  16. Korea has a presidential election next year, and despite of some candidates being prominent, there is no clear leader yet.

     

    So, various politicians are toying with a bunch of ideas.

     

    A politician has proposed a law that since BTS performance at the billboard is extraordinary its military service should be exempted. (There is a loophole that winners of some classical , and korean-style traditional music, competitions are exempt from military service.)

     

    KPop's Senior Singer , Greatest anachronism and the #1 obstacle against its expansion was waiting for the day when the BTS members' military services began so she could once again climb the throne and lord over all KPop acts.

     

    However, if BTS' military services are exempted', they willbe around for a few more years , and the Senior Singer would be in her 30s when their popularity might begin to wane.

     

    KPop's Senior Singer probably planned for 2023-2024 to launch the greatest counterstrike against KPop when BTS members are in service, since she probably thinks she can handle all the younger acts, and her general popularity in Korea is still intact. However, things are not going in the direction the Senior Singer prefers, so her last attempt to overturn the initiative and turn KPop in her self-centered, isolationist direction, like what she had pulled off in 2014, would probably not come true thanks to the Korean politicians.

  17. http://www.mediatraffic.de/previous2.htm

     

    Here are what the best selling albums of week were for the first half of year. Anyone associated with Kpop is in bold (because there is one person, whose name I don't have to mention, who is technically not part of KPop but is associated to it in this list.)

    Week 1,2, 16 Taylor Swift

    3 Six Tones (Japan)

    4, 6, 8  Morgan Wallen

    Yunho

    7. Foo Fighters

    9. 10. BTS

    11. ATEEZ

    12. WayV (China, although run by SM)

    13. Justin Bieber (that's before Hybe bought Bieber's agency.)

    14. IU

    15. Baekhyun

    17. Kang Daniel

    18. Nu'Est

    19. Enhypen

    20. Itzy

    21. 22. NCT Dream

    23. Olivia Rodrigo

    24. txt

    25. EXO

    (26 not announced yet but certain to go to Seventeen)

    So, out of 26 weeks, 14 of them were dominated by Kpop albums!

     

    Only Taylor Swift, Morgan Wallen, Foo Fighters and Olivia Rodrigo can be called "Pup". A Japanese and a Chinese act also took one spot each.

    KPop figures who had the best selling albums of the week by companies

    Hybe -

    BTS

    Nu'est

    txt

    Enhypen

    Seventeen

    SM -

    Yunho

    Baekhyun

    NCT Dream

    (WayV)

    JYP -

    Itzy

    KQ Entertainment -

    Ateez

    Konnect Entertainment -

    Kang Daniel, owner-singer

    Edam Entertainment -

    IU, effective owner-singer.

     

    Fin.

  18. 3 hours ago, Elessar said:

    I wonder if aespa will have a red velvet / mamamoo type of charting where they can go from a big hit, decent hit or a completely flop era or more like twice / blackpink with more consistent charting having always a big hit, hit or decent charting era. They need to take advantage now that jyp is screwing itzy producing their songs, so they can take the lead in digitals of this gen.

    One encouraging thing about aespa is Yoo Youngjin, who was responsible for many SM hits during SM's heyday, is in charge of aespa. He is quite high in SM hierarchy and he will lead aespa in his way, not like other SM acts which grew more distant from general public as time went on

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