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I don't understand why people write Chanyeol off tbf. 

20 hours ago, oh my dora said:

do people outside of western audiences know what visibility week it is?..

Coming from the same forum that says stuff like this, then posts endless Korean and Japanese gay TV dramas and newer idols making social media overtures. 

Honestly I don't think half of you know which way is up anymore on this thread. Are we seriously now saying absolutely nobody outside of the West has a clue about visibility, rights, connections? Is Seoul Pride just wasted on everyone here? 

7 hours ago, reiichi said:

Something that would make a relationship a 'PR' one would be that the agency would end up confirming it. And here both agencies refused to make any comment about it, both last year and this year.

Erm... No. 

Bogum and Taehyung are a possibility too imo. 

As much as I think they were/are platonic friends, you can't rule a m/m relationship out. And there's way more direct physical evidence for them, esp back in the day, than for Taehyung and Jennie. 

On 6/4/2023 at 10:51 PM, aiyulemonade said:

LOL i bet he saw all the speculation.

Interesting hair colours though, eh?

Entire thread, it's a biggie: 

PS, never write off Namjoon. 

2 hours ago, Robomaton said:

 

I don't wanna be a party pooper but I feel like this is purely coincidental. He used pink heart on Instagram and the red one on bubble, also the order of colors always changes on his bubble messages. He made a typo earlier on his bubble display name and it only shows purple. I think he's trying to give the fans a hint about his hair color since the comeback is tomorrow lol. Felix pings me as queer but I think this is just a coincidence.

Or he knows what he's doing. 

3 hours ago, LostChild said:

I mean, Adora used to work for Big Hit. Not that I believe in social media "sasaengs" anyway but "producer" doesn't necesserely means a man.

Which is why I included 'unspecified.'

https://twitter.com/bisexualarmys/status/1663963473254989824?cxt=HHwWgIC26c_9ypcuAAAA

17 hours ago, Dont mind me said:

Are you seriously saying that western behaviour when it comes to friendship isn't different? I know most guys ( straight or gay) are not this affectionate or even complimenting one another. Should they, absolutely, but it is known that masculinity is seen different in western countries and even hugging or holding hands is not what they do. As for stereotyping Asian cultures, where did I do that? I just pointed they have different levels of intimacy they are comfortable with, that most guys wont in let's say Europe. Only other continent that might have similar cultural behaviour is Arabic/Turkish/Some balkan countries.

But if you go to a German/British guy and cuddle with as friends, you would get pushed from the sofa or get a soft punch. 

My point is and was, there are different cultural behaviours and that should always be included when you are assessing friends or possible couples true the lens of a westerner. 

With respect, this sort of one size fits all approach is exactly what were all these days telling one another we shouldn't do. 

There are deep friendships between westerners that never become sexual, and no doubt more transient ones among Asians, and vice versa. Yes, societal conditioning applies but many people don't conform to type. 

Yoongi and Pearl probably are platonic friends who are well in tune with each other.

But in the unlikely event that Yoongi was openly doing this with a woman, the Internet would have melted by now. It wouldn't just be being discussed on here and a few Twitter shippers. Every major mainstream section of ARMY would be going ballistic. Because the overall perception is still that two men cannot ever go beyond platonic friendship. But a male idol even blinks () at a girl and ARMY and the media are sending out wedding invites.

On 5/17/2023 at 7:50 PM, Kpop_fan178 said:

I want to word this so that it won't start another war on this thread, but what impressions did taehyung dating jennie leave you? I am curios since we all believed him to be gay.  

You mean allegedly? Aka that Haribo crazy on the Internet who was stealing peoples pictures, setting upookalikes/models and editing photos in graphic design apps? 

To my knowledge there's been no evidence of any dating for reals between the two. If you mean the Paris pics the jury's still out on that. The Haribo thing was total bs though. I think they're being taken to court for that mess. 

We didn't all think he's gay. It's split between people who do, those who think he's on the spectrum somewhere and those who don't. If anyone thinks he's fully gay it's likely because of the constant vibes he gives off, his interests, his output, etc. Add to that his obvious irritation at invented stories on the Internet that he's dating girl banders and CEOs daughters. It's not really because of his dating life because HYBE has managed to keep all that side under wraps for over a decade with him. 

Yoongi tour rolls on... 

Again, it's interesting, but at best flaunts with a notion without being openly specific. You can take or leave it. For some it's a sign. For others it's pretty lighting. 

I made my mind up about Yoongi a long time ago and not based on lights or bracelets. But the timing is interesting and for the theme/colours he would certainly know how it would be perceived by the public and online gossips. 

6 hours ago, solario said:

Idk if this is common knowledge, but rumours about idols' girlfriends used(still are? not involved anymore) to be shared in the EXOL fandom. I remember when the fandom shared about Chen's girlfriends, there's 2 that I remember of, one of them being his current wife so... yeah. And Sehun also has these rumours, fans posted his girlfriend's IG handle, proof of shared items and stuff. I remember seeing at least 3 for Sehun? Chanyeol has had many more.

But not to assume they haven't had boyfriends as well because I'm sure that if they have had, fans wouldn't share that as easily or the idol would hide it better. But you know what's interesting? How I've never seen one of these girlfriends posts about Kyungsoo, the true gay of EXO

Because the shared clothes stuff is more often than not designed to bait fans. Real relationships stay as private as possible, until they spring them on the world. Netizens have a notorious appetite for Sherlocking what they think are tiny clues pointing to intricate relationship hints. And in a world of similar clothing/accessories, fakery, forgery, P'shopping and all manner of other PR or fan fluff, it's easy to convince some groups of fans looking for links that x idol is dating y idol/person. 

On 5/7/2023 at 11:24 PM, rotis said:

Idk if this clip has already been discussed here but I wanted to bring it up just in case.

://youtu.be/GzGiUWimEqc

@ 12:32-12:53 Lee Know explains that he would wait for his best friend untill it got dark, and the interviewer asked him if he had a crush on "her". And Lee Know says that it's a him and that theres "no romance in his life".

So I'm wondering if he said that because hes actually LGBT and then said "theres no romance in my life" to cover it up. Or if hes actually straight and genuinely doesn't see men in a romantic sense, so the idea of him being romantically involved with another guy was off the table.

Thats not to say that if he was LGBT that he would automatically have a crush on a male friend (obviously), it's rather the way he phrased it that made me think it was weird. But then again it could be the further. Because, it's not like he can outright say he had/has a crush on a guy.

Overall Lee Know has allways been a curious case for me, and I wouldn't be surprised if he was anything. Although I think him being lgbt is slightly more likely that him being Straight.

I don't know how to couch this nicely but...they lie. Honestly, South Korean idols lie like they breathe air. 

There are a bunch of them in the closet, clearly. It's undeniable by now. Some deeper than others. But they lie and lie through their teeth because they have to - for career, convention, family, etc. So you're going to get mixed messages and signals. I know British celebs who lied through their teeth about being lgb, deflected, back peddled (the above-mentioned Richard Armitage was also one of them, falling into the deflection category rather than lying). And that was in the happy-clappy land of Legal Gay. So I can only imagine the pressure and strife South Korean-based celebrities and civvies have to go through. Made worse by an unpleasant, cold and rather weird new leader, encouraging the ever-present extreme Christian sentiment. 

Lee Know is very sweet. His group got him a rainbow cake for his birthday and that was donkeys years ago. I posted it here. But years later you come back and find the same idols still doing the riddlespeak, and nothing has changed. It's also totally his call, but this ain't the liberal West of entertainment and until, if ever, SK relaxes its attitude to same sex in the idol world, and I mean truly, not just shipping or allowing more rainbow cake, we will be here speculating forever. Also the genre won't mature in that direction because it won't be allowed to by convention and by many fans. 

Yoongi: When you know, you know.

Be interesting if the same formula is applied through Asia as the tour moves on. Indonesia and Singapore esp. If so, good on him.

Yet another 'found' by his/her manager, wtf. 

The entertainment system in South Korea should be utterly ashamed of itself at this point. 

RIP Moonbin. 

13 hours ago, freeluxx said:

@DDiddy & @SingulariV actually made me reconsider my stance on that particular song so thank you both for your maturity and being open to having a conversation

not every negative opinion is a stray bullet coming for your fav so stop jumping in front of them ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

Out of all of BTS I think the two who are in the best place, the best headspace, right now are Yoongi and J-Hope. Yoongi has transformed in these last coupla years, really blossomed. J-Hope genuinely seems to hold no care in the world and just loves everything and everyone, no hangups evident. 

The little 'uns are a mess as usual in their own way. Jin's off doing his enlistment but it's Namjoon that's the most concerning one for me atm. He seems all over the place, all at once critical then over-protective of things, careworn of K-pop at times, acknowledging its hardships and overdrive, and then defensive of it and subservient to HYBE. He's like a revolving door and those signs for me send up a few little red flagz. This ain't no US rapper having a public meltdown on Twitter, but the signals he gives bothers me. If he 'has' had a private breakup or even a broken or disrupted friendship with someone, or if he feels he can no longer take such things public, that will be more shit heaped on his midden. He's always been under pressure as 'leader', but also everyone has their line in the sand. Some of the stuff he's saying and doing atm just ping me as being out of whack even for him. 

9 minutes ago, suzy_4774 said:

i forgot his lesbian haircut, that was very lgbt of him!! (please, take this as a joke, im not talking serisously)

 

I take that very seriously. 

Not only is it a lesbian haircut it's a mid-40s lesbian librarian haircut and all that's missing is the carpet slippers over long socks. 

Nice work, Jk. It's a yes from me. 

On 2/16/2023 at 6:37 PM, Winter Bear said:

 No one’s business, don’t know why anyone would even comment about it. Just be happy he’s living his life.

You know this ain't going to happen, dog. ARMY meltdown in reverse in 3, 2, 1...

On 1/15/2023 at 12:31 AM, seokqlr said:

new to this thread so just wondering what does everyone generally think abt bts and txt?

Yes.

And yes. 

15 hours ago, bestcasescenario said:

bro I promise that it’s not that deep, they’re just a bunch of attention seeking tweets 

Bro I know. I just fancied writing something. 

12 hours ago, dododododododo said:

I think that’s the issue with kpop gossip (and celebrity gossip in general). People talk so it’s plausible that these Twitter accounts have heard some rumors, but they then embellish or present themselves as an authority on the subject. Which is when it starts to sound unbelievable. 
 

Also there is the whole “I can’t tell anyone this because it can be traced back to me but let me hint at it very heavily anyway” thing which is just lame lol 

It's actually not necessarily lame. It can be there for good reason. 

Pro gay arguments:

1. You can love your gossip, and even be keen to get a message out to people, because you think they should know. But you can also be IP traced if someone wanted you traced and bitch slapped. Which could result in you losing your job and people in your field being reluctant to hire you. 

2. Dude is gay. 

Anti gay arguments:

1. Dude has some acting chops and loves to ham it up for the cameras. Hell, he'll pose with anyone, from your gerbil to the ghost of Gucci, it doesn't matter. He knows he has a worldwide audience who want to see his versatility. And this he gives them.

2. Fantasist internet gossip peddled by attention seeker, as you (validly) imply. Because t'internet is nothing if not a clown cart and decent amounts of salt req. 

3. He's not at all gay, but is chilled and liberal. So turning up at queer events on invite isn't an issue for him. 

4. Nobody believes number 3.

17 hours ago, oh my dora said:

didn’t lizzo say she wanted to have sex with bts 

im not understanding the outrage of holland saying the same about lil nas x

Can I be outraged about both of them being gross? Not that I am, they're adults, but they're both getting noped for stunts like this. 

I like Holland and maybe something's been lost in translation, but just, no. There are quite young people watching you. Have some standards. 

Besides doesn't he have a boyfriend these days? He owes his bf an explanation more than the rest of us. 

8 hours ago, singularstigma said:

Yes I agree! They are a hilarious bunch of gay boys and deserve more attention from this thread. 
 

I would also add EXO to the list of multiple queer members. There is a member who I shall not mention in fear of summoning god knows what. On the other hand there are Suho and Kai.

Just sey it.

For balance, there are also of course large sections of fandom who are desperate for male idols to be nothing but 100% straight, and who go to insane lengths to prove that. These also routinely break the Fourth Wall in their quest for heterosexuality, and so seek their particular validation. 

And who is always in the middle of it sitting back popping popcorn and egging all sides on? 

The companies. Who basically create fake perfect boyfriend personas for as long as they can, whilst encouraging same-sex skinship. In a culture where virtually every male idol must eventually face military duty. The same companies facilitate a good deal of the fan wars and trends, courting both LGBT+ and straight fans and allowing them to play off against each other as long as money is coming in. In the midst of all this pressure and drama, actual real people exist, trying to be whatever they are.

All that super invested people have to do is take a moment to imagine Jo Kwon, Jennie, Lisa, or Jungkook, etc, at the doorstep of their own house yelling at them night and day, following them to the shops or school, or harassing their friends nonstop. If that rightly seems insufferable, don't do it to the idols.