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^ that's what it is. Merry x-mas. Happy holidays. Seasons greetings.

^ what's up with the hair?! It's nice seeing them paired off. These two have been hanging around together. Remember the couple bracelets. Are we going to get more....what is their combined nick name? Dongwan. Always so eloquent.

^ *sigh* I can't even with that.

To anyone arguing refer to the BB incident. It's all been said already. Shinhwa is an active promoting group. They are an idol group. They have a fandom and yes, orange is their color. Anyone who does not know about colors in relation to idol groups needs to be reeducated. Ikon and their fans want to classify them as an idol group then they need to understand that orange is a No No. Other groups have long separated (yes GOD, even though they're promoting again) or are not even a whole group anymore like DBSK, Shinhwa has never stopped as some have pointed out. Ikon, YG, and fans need to step up their game for fan representing goods. BB fans used towels then made a light crown. Winner has a nebula color. At least they're trying to make something unique rather than arguing with a longstanding and still existing fandom.

Is it the making of a top hot group when the haters come out?! All the shade and hate. *sigh* I'm glad they're coming back. Though I'm sure they're going to be off for another Japanese tour soon after. Hehe. They're Shinhwa-DBSK-Big Bang all rolled into one. Like Shinhwa because their fan service and interactions are similar. SHCJ and IC are loyal, mature, and protect their artist. DBSK because of, but not limited to, their ballad style, all members speaking Japanese and their Japanese appeal/promos. BB because they are individuals who are talented and mesh well as a group.

I don't mind if YG markets them as a ballad group. I think they have the potential to be like Sandaime J soul brothers http://www.jpopsuki.tv/video/Sandaime-J-Soul-Brothers---Hanabi/805557cdfcbbe34f123c6f5a314d8b6d They can be labeled as an idol group but their music is public friendly and casual fans enjoy their stuff.

Flower! I love how vibrant the colors are in the video. Something with this color tone would suit the boys perfectly. It's a different color quality from the S/S teaser and album and from the color tone in recent k-pop mv-bright neon like tones.

It's gonna be a full album. They probably have songs that didn't make it from the first album that they tweaked and they spent a year and a half on hiatus. Winner is going to be the only YG group to debut full albums. They're classy and upscale like that. They have a complete style and sound. I believe their music is diverse enough to not conflict with their concept album that there's gonna be delays to make them and the songs "better".

Un-lurking to comment... I love their instagram. I'm glad they have an outlet to communicate with fans, especially since they're done touring and promoting in Japan. No more verbal promises of their impending comeback. And if they end up in the dungeon, hopefully they continue to post on Instagram. I don't get the criticism about Mino's appreciation for art. Mino and Taehyun have both shown their artistic sides. TOP talks about them and when they hang out they probably talk about art.

Yes. This is the original lineup before the 14 member+, member change/graduation, grand pLans by Hiro and LDH company. _________________ Winner comeback.....at least we know it's on the horizon/pending. It's not backlogged like BB MADE. I have confidence that when Winner makes music it's made and hopefully it's another full album. At least 10 new songs for the year they were gone. Winner when they promoted reminds me of Seungri when he promotes. Put out songs, produced and made by himself (he goes out and makes songs with producers with a sound/style of his own), music show performances, maybe a variety show, radio appearance, then the dungeon (at least in Korea). Hahaha. I'm anticipating and forever waiting patiently. I'm interested in Mino's lyrics for the collab. He says interesting thing and has layered/double meaning lyrics. It's going to be fun reading the translations. Thank you people who take time to do translations!

YG is definitely using the exclusive method with Winner. I don't know if it's because Winner is suppose to represent a high end brand/style (as a promo method) or YG just doesn't care/know how to market Winner. It seems he's trying to up his hip-hop label but is forgeting that he houses various artists and is not a hip hop mogul.

That would be a hat Hoon designed. It's nice that we now know he's been doing stuff on his free time when WINNER was in the dungeon and we were waiting for Jinwoo and Hoon sightings. I'm glad he has something like design that he's interested in and working hard for. He's a passionate and hardworking person.

He's cute being excited and having fun waiting for his turn. I loved this performance from them because you got to see all the members personal style and musical preferences and then they come out performing Empty with an awesome chreography from Hoon. Icing on the cake.

It's a nice video. I like the vibe of it. It's mellow and calm yet feels like it could spiral out of control. It suits the song. Wannie vocals!

Oh. Sorry. I thought we were safe to talk here. I'm not trying to start anything. I just feel disappointed and I'm afraid I can't express my frustrations anywhere else without feeling attacked. I will refrain myself more concerning them.

Winner comeback!!!!!! They're really following the S/S F/W time line but the songs are swapped. Empty and Color Ring were slow songs and Baby×3 is a fast song.

:O I want to see them live one day. I need to get instagram now.

Very well said. We and other people have talked about whether LDH is idol or artist. They really are a combination of both but PERFORMANCE is the main factor that distinguishes them from idols and, for me, makes them artists. Artists are people we associate with a craft that the person excels at and LDH performers are dancers with a type of dance they represent and the singers sing. They are passionate about dancing and they are given that opportunity through Hiro's creation of groups with this dynamic. 3JSB and Flower have slow/ballad songs that have all featured a dance and it fits. Yes, Flower is a group that is unique. I'm sad they're losing members along the way.

They're the best. Besides Shinhwa they naturally interact with fans and have fun doing so. Even the fans are courteous to Winner and other fans. I'm glad to be part of this fandom. I love it that they're planning surprises for the fans and trying to repay them in their own way yet the fans can do the same for them and that Winner is genuinely touched by fans and staffs actions for and towards them.

http://aramajapan.com/news/tvmovie/dramas/upcoming-fall-jdoramas-2015/50894/ A summary of Exile's drama was posted here. I finally get what sword means to the whole drama. Hopefully we get to see a lot of LDH talents. Erina please make an appearance. I like delinquent dramas so I can't wait to watch this. Crowz (with Oguri Shun) is one of my all time favorite school-drama movies (I have yet to watch Crowz Explode fully. I like all the actors but I can't get into the story line.)

A bit. Music wise and performance they encompass more than the typical j-idol. They dont rest on the cuteness or "handsome" style Ak4B and Johnnys are made of. He's managing the girls more than the guys like a typical idol group though. Gene is almost modeled like a boy group, there are visuals for the group (Alan) and hiro is trying to push them outside Japan. While he doesn't change anything for the guys, think of how big Exile is with 14 members, he's pushing the girl group to be only member centric, and now has a member system for features instead of just letting the girls perform. I know the girls have more members but if Exile performs with 14 members why not all the girls. The lineup for the girls will most likely stay the same with only 1-2 girls switched out and even the vocal line has stayed the same rather than feature a line change-up. Only one e-girls a-side song didn't have Ami as a lead.

I love his smile. It's innocent and full of youth yet he can be mischievous looking as well.

The age old oil and water. I think Eric overly does mushy stuff towards Hyesung when Hyesung knows Eric is a serious type who rarely does that type of thing. Eric is the troll king. Dongwan is the person Eric doesn't get along with the most. I think Eric is a people person while Dongwan doesn't mind spending time alone.

So many mixed emotions. LDH has done a poor job of managing the girls. @shikihana it is true about how much popularity drives demand so business wise they're making the business moves to put the girls out there and compete, especially against Ak4b who is dominating the Japanese market. LDH is only aimed at the Japanese audience. The guys have a chance internationally but I don't think Hiro would go so far as to promote the girls outside Japan. He's expanding but slowly and only with the guys.