Yggdrasil

I swear YG is following the online discussions and spoilers. They even knew to make it as hard to tell as possible whether it was Seunghun or Jeongwoo that was eliminated.

What's with all the spoilers saying Jeongwoo was eliminated instead of Seunghun? What are they based on?

Ranks 2 and 3 combined just pulled ahead of rank 1 in terms of total votes.

Now people are saying Jeongwoo was eliminated? I am so confused.

Yeah, no. At least Jungwhan isn't going to happen.

Which team is that, Silver Boys or Treasure 7?

There was a leak I thought was fake that said Seunghun and Keita were eliminated, but the new teaser is backing it up...

Wow, I didn't even notice rank 3 changed. When did that happen? It's more or less rank 2 though, so I'm not really complaining...

Gonna post some Eric being gay because I can. His crush on fellow member Juyeon: Click here to view the Tweet I could make a whole post on them alone. Unfortunately for Eric, it is very one-sided. Eric and Felix (note his lisps): He likes handsome male idols, just saying... Click here to view the Tweet Gayy: Click here to view the Tweet His dominance in the disastrous The Boyz paper kiss game...they eventually had to move him to the end position because he was going too hard for everyone else to handle: (game starts 4 minutes in, turn on captions) Anyway, have this video of the Boyz dancing to SNSD and being fabulous (note Eric) Also adding this totally heterosexual pic of Younghoon and New because again, I can:

Eric is less so? He's always been the gayest to me. Eric, Younghoon and Kevin are the gayest in my opinion. Q, New and Jacob also have their moments.

I sure hope so. The Silver Boys akgaes are really getting on my nerves.

I won't support a team with Byounggon and Doyoung. They don't offer anything that other trainees can't do better. The akgaes watching this show are frustrating.

Do the votes determine who gets eliminated from the semi finals? The team results for those leaked already, so we already know which teams will lose trainees... Of course I won't spoil it, though.

I voted for Yedam, Hyunsuk, Junkyu, Mashiho, Yoonbin, Haruto and Jeongwoo. I felt a bit bad not voting for Keita. I really don't understand the Team A and Silver Boys akgaes though. Honestly I've hardly even followed Doyoung, Byounggon and Jihoon, and I don't think they're entitled to a debut just because they've been around a while...

I want to say it's not sus because of how young they are, but I totally tried to get away with stuff like that as a blooming queer kid...

It's not so much that Jeup is het, it's just that the rest of the group is so gay that he looks tame in comparison. Anyway, he has his moments, but I still think he would be bi rather than gay. I saw him up close at Kcon LA when Imfact was at the convention stage and he was very much enjoying all the female attention he was getting. He had the most recognition due to his relative success on The Unit, so maybe he was just basking in that. But he seemed very excited whenever women in particular would call out to him. I also think he cares more about having a more masculine image, at least more than the other members. He's already done his mandatory military service and is very athletic, and he seems to take some pride in that. And again, he only seems "straight" when compared to the other members. If you watch his solo broadcasts and the like, he's still a cute fluffball and has some suspicious mannerisms and tastes and the like. He's just hopelessly outgayed.

I just found out that Neverland was a Ukiss album. Oops.

Kevin Woo finally embracing the gay agenda.

You're acting like this is all unfounded and coming out of nowhere, but I know for a fact that people in this thread and elsewhere have already expressed discomfort over this topic for some time now. And it really isn't that hard to understand. If someone outright publicly says that they don't like being touched, expresses displeasure at unannounced skinship, and even talks about rooming with other members because they don't touch them, then maybe it's not okay for that person to get groped in public. And I like Taeil and know he likes men, but he needs to respect personal boundaries. It's not a good look. We all know how used Koreans are to male skinship and how easily that could be abused by someone with less than noble intent, especially in a work situation as closely knit as a popular idol group. We know it's happened before. We know the gay aspect of it also makes it more likely to be ignored. For instance, I know this topic would end up back in this thread even if someone made a topic just for it. Dismissal of such topics isn't unique to Korea. But seriously, calm down and stop taking this so personally when you know it's been simmering for a good while now.

If you don't have friends who know how to respect personal boundaries you've publicly laid out, maybe you need some new friends.

There's a difference. Winwin has both said and shown that he doesn't like it. If a friend grabs another friend's butt and they both laugh because it's a joke and they both know it, that's different than when someone who is clearly attracted to someone else grabs their butt and causes them to hop away because they don't like it, and the first person already knew that...

I'm pretty disturbed by some of the responses and reactions here to the Winwin/Taeil situation. Some posts are making it sound like people who have noticed an uncomfortable trend are just pulling their claims out of thin air, when in reality there are clear receipts of Winwin saying he's uncomfortable being touched, acting uncomfortable when Taeil or Yuta touch him unannounced or profess their love for him, etc. Of course it may all be an act or a joke, and I think it mostly was in Yuta's case since he's noticeably backed off a bit, but it's not unfair to speculate. Almost the entirety of this thread is speculation. But I'm especially bothered by the implications that if something were really going on, it would easily be solvable because Winwin is an idol, and a man. Let's try to remember just how conservative Korea is. Not only is there a stigma against reporting sexual harassment in general, but there's also the added weight of sexism and heteronormativity. Men reporting sexual harassment would likely not be taken as seriously, especially if the harassment is coming from other men. We can even see an example with Karam of DGNA: https://www.koreaboo.com/stories/male-idol-sexually-harassed-by-men/ Note how the article says that Karam must have been an easy target for harassment by men...because he kinda looks like a girl. It's already almost ruling out the possibility that the harassers might in fact be men who like men. Instead, the narrative is that he just "confused" the straights. The stigma revolving around sexual harassment only becomes stronger if homosexuality is also thrown into the ring. And Karam is a nugu compared to Winwin. Any potential fallout in Winwin's case would be much more publicly visible and much more career damaging, so there's more reason to stay silent. So while all this may seem unfair to Taeil, that's no excuse to throw around ignorant dismissals. Such behavior only encourages a culture of silence.

I wish someone would make Taeil stop. Winwin has made it very publicly clear that he hates stuff like this and yet Taeil keeps doing it. Sexual harassment ain't cute.