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On 7/27/2020 at 10:52 AM, KoreaxxLove said:

You cannot push racism on the parts of Asians onto white people. You can go to Asia and find that racism is far more socially acceptable than it is here in the US. When I was in China, for instance, black teachers weren't hired by the school I worked for, no matter how qualified they were, because they didn't "look like native speakers" and, I kid you not, "because their hair might scare the kids." I even did a short online advertising video, and I was told not to discuss my salary with the black women who were working with us because they weren't getting paid as much for the exact same thing. So, please, don't try to pass this off on white people teaching racism. 

I'm not sure what you mean by the "constant onslaught of anti-blackness in the media." The media is overwhelmingly not anti-black. You can go through most major networks, Hollywood, most Big Tech, etc., and find overwhelming support for Black Lives Matter. Go to Audible, Netflix, or any streaming service and find the Black Lives Matter section. Go to Disney+ and find Beyonce's "Black is King"--which literally attempts to place "blackness" on a God-like level (ripping off the phrase "Jesus is King"). 

 

First, I agree that saying that all of the discrimination is from white people, it's enabled but not fully born from them however the reason the media is "less anti black" is because of the ongoing fight against it. If you want to see clear commentary I suggest 1987's Hollywood Shuffle or if you want something specific I have a horror movie documentary called Horror Noire: The History of Black Horror on Shudder. The media in general has always played a role in portraying black people in certain lies or not at all. Or when they're was portrayal made by black people it would be demonized. This is especially clear in the News.

On 7/26/2020 at 11:04 PM, jeong jaehyuns boyfriend said:

Thanks for offering your perspective! I think a lot of Asian Americans have internalized the model minority role that the whites have forged for us in Western society (which is harmful to other POC and to Asians themselves), and unfortunately, many Asians living in the US/Canada, particularly the older generation, have adopted some of the racist ideologies of Western white society because of it. I think the same can be said of the Latinx, Middle Eastern/Arab, and South Asian/brown communities as well - the constant onslaught of anti-blackness that we witness from white people in the media and in society has unfortunately spilled over into other POC groups, which obviously is horrible, and needs to change. I think many Asian Americans forget that we were once also subject to intense racism, anti-Asian riots, and even massacres when we first started immigrating here in the late 1800s/early 1900s, and even today, we still make up a small demographic of the population (I believe less than 10%). It makes me sad to see some Asians and other POC not standing with the black community. The anti-blackness that exists in the Asian community is inexcusable and unacceptable, and it makes me incredibly uncomfortable whenever I see a Kpop idol for instance be ignorant when it comes to race, like with cultural appropriation. I'm not even a fan of Hwasa, but I was cringing big time when I saw that. In her case, I think it was done out of ignorance and not racism, but of course, it's still related and still unacceptable, and someone needs to educate her. On the behalf of Hwasa and her clownery, I'm sorry. 

But I think we should remember that not all Asian families are like this, and the younger generation in general is a lot more progressive and recognizes these things, and is changing and doing better. I've always supported BLM from the beginning and I always clock my family or even friends if theyre messy in terms of race. 

I mean, I'm gay, I'm Asian, and I'm living in Canada and I'm dating a black man, so we are the future honey WE OUT HERE

Thanks for this comment, I'm happy that you at least took something from this my head was pretty much hurting writing this entire thing but it's worth it

On 7/27/2020 at 2:25 AM, Solfa said:

This argument doesn’t work, because it is the opposite of what they teach you when handling guns if you want to get a license. They say that the only time you should ever point a gun at another human being is when you want to kill them. They even say to never try to injure, because it doesn’t work since in many, if not most cases, adrenaline makes it difficult for the injured to even feel the pain of the bullet so they may continue to attack you. They even have videos of this which they show to potential gun owners. 

The other important lesson they teach is also say that you should never aim a gun at a person unless you are in danger, it should always be self-defense, but that’s the core of the issue. Just because someone feels they are in danger, it doesn’t mean they are in danger. Feelings do not always represent reality. I’m sure Mrs. Du felt she was in danger, and those feelings came from her racist precognitions. That really is the crux of the issue with gun lessons, they have a better safe than sorry approach.

Nobody who buys a gun, buys with the intention to injure. Nobody who points a gun at another human being, points with the intention to injure. Mrs. Du had no intention to injure, because the moment she point a gun to another human being, she intended to kill. 

True, true. I gave her the benefit of the doubt as a store owner, not specifically this senario she totally had a mindset to kill end of story

Disclaimer: A very long think piece and part rant i guess. This post includes information and imagery that to some might be abit graphic. The point of this post is to educate on a simplistic ground since the topic of race is either ignored or drowned out by the clear bias influence of Kpop. There will be no use of graphic language due to Onehallyu's guidelines so if they are used they will be censored. Be respectful yet educated in your comments, if I come off bias know I am telling it mainly from one side since alot of people claim and speak for black Kpop stans too much on an issue that is between two groups with their own history. Thanks

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Just recently, the twitter account Pannchoa posted translations of korean netizens reacting to the outrage of Mamamoo's Hwasa wearing clear african clothing and a headscarf.

Within some of the comments, many koreans either invalidated the offense by either claiming that it's only kpop stans who are offended reducing it down to being "just fanwars" or used manipulative reasoning by linking back to their own treatment. This is not only a repeated or exclusive mindset amongst native koreans, but is also an insensitive and deflective mannerism. I remembered a very similar reaction when Youtubers, DKDKTV, posted a video asking regular koreans on their thoughts of Kpop Idols showing support to BLM.

During that video when told that many think since Kpop takes alot from black music and culture, they should in fact support movements like BLM,  most of them voiced a very ignorant point of view saying that they shouldn't speak up just because of that and even went farther to justify the appropriation of it. One commenter said the following:

"Just because Black people started it, it doesn't mean that it is in their possession, we've made it into another culture called Kpop"

you can watch the full video above

To them, it might not seem ignorant however clearly saying these types of statements are quite arrogant and rude especially given the clear perception of black people. To say you can take from their culture and not stand for the people who make it with most things like HipHop coming from a dark and traumatic place for African Americans is seriously disgusting and most definitely wouldn't be the sentiment on the other side because earlier in the exact same video when commenting on the George Floyd riots, some specifically and pessimistically pointed out korean businesses that were being vandalized as if it really mattered that much.

It is not unknown that the Asian community and Black community have never seen eye to eye and this mainly stems from the clear discrimination placed on black people by the Asian community.  Whether it's through traditional colorism mainly stemming from the idea that the elites are lighter skinned because they stay indoors while those who were darker were lower classed slaves that worked outside to the propaganda that is spread through media or systematic racism, the Asian community has always had clear bias against the Black community which fuels tension even to this day. I wanted to focus on Hwasa's actions as she is a heavy offender at this point, but I wanted to speak on the topic of Koreans somewhat victimizing themselves in a clearly unbalanced way as a specific comment said:

"It feels like those Iroaches' hobby nowadays is to grab any idol and just start dragging them. It's to the point where you don't even know if they're fans or antis anymore. They just see everything as being racist...If they wear clothes a certain way, if they do hair a certain way, if they stick a jewel on their foreheads, etc... And even people who are not even involved in those countries will start a mess... It's as if they don't even want their own bias to hit big by blocking their way.. Those Iroaches love KPOP but don't respect Korean culture... I get so stressed because of Iroaches nowadays"

And although this is a Kpop related target, I think some native koreans refuse to understand their specific contribution to the discrimination of black people in the Asian community. There are alot of incidents that aren't even Kpop related too, but if I had to say what was a very nasty stable it most definitely was the 1991 Death of Latasha Harlins.

The Death of Latasha Harlins (1991)

(information provided through wikipedia)

Latasha Harlins was a 15 year old African American girl from Illinois and moved to LA when she was 6. Her father was very abusive to her mother and even beat her in front of her and her siblings. Their marriage however did end, but two years later her mother was sadly and ironically killed by his new girlfriend in a nightclub by gunshot. They then were raised by her grandmother. Of course the lost of her mother left Latasha devastated and she turned to being rebellious arguing alot with her grandmother and aunt. There was also talks that the bond was worsening because Latasha, then 14, was being groomed by a counselor at the local recreational center named Jerry Foster, who was between 29 and 32 years old. 

This information tells you a little about who Latasha was something that is important to keep in mind as I tell you the rest of her story.

Day of the Killing

Soon Ja Du (51)'s store, Empire Liquor, located in the intersection of 91st St. and Figueroa Ave. Vermont Vista, Los Angeles, was normally staffed by Du's husband and son. However, on the morning of the shooting, Du was working behind the counter, and her husband was outside resting in the family van.

Shortly before 10:00 am on Saturday March 16, Harlins entered the store. Du observed Harlins putting a $1.79 bottle of orange juice in her backpack. Du concluded Harlins was attempting to steal, and did not see the money Harlins held in her hand. Du claimed to have asked Harlins if she intended to pay for the orange juice, to which Du claimed Harlins responded, "What orange juice?" Two eyewitnesses disputed that claim, saying that Du called Harlins a "b*tch" and accused her of trying to steal, to which they claimed Harlins replied that she intended to pay for the orange juice. After speaking with the two eyewitnesses present and viewing the videotape of the incident (yes, there was video evidence that supported her lying to propagandize Harlins as a thief), recorded by a store security camera, the police concluded that Harlins intended to pay for the beverage with money in hand. The videotape showed that Du grabbed Harlins by her sweater and snatched her backpack. Harlins then struck Du with her fist twice, knocking Du to the ground. After Harlins backed away, Du threw a stool at her. Harlins then picked up the orange juice bottle that dropped during the scuffle, Du snatched the bottle from her, and Harlins turned to leave. Du reached under the counter, retrieved a revolver, and fired at Harlins from behind at a distance of about three feet (one meter). The gunshot struck Harlins in the back of the head, killing her instantly. Du's husband, Billy Heung Ki Du, heard the gunshot and rushed into the store. After speaking to his wife, who asked for the whereabouts of Harlins before fainting, he dialed 9-1-1 to report an attempted holdup.

Quick Outline of the Incident

- Du was not a worker at the store (at least not part of the normal staff, her husband and son were)

- Harlins had money in hand to pay for the the drink, the only mistake was putting it in her backpack but still it was a simple mistake

- Du approached Harlins in a confrontational and threatening manner, calling her a b*tch and accusing her of stealing

- Harlins informed her that she was going to pay (both eyewitnesses confirmed it)

- Du assaulted Harlins including throwing a stool, Harlins acted in self defense

- In the end, Du had obtained the juice and Harlins did not attempt to get it back

-While she had her back turn, Du grabbed a revolver and shot Harlins voluntarily

-Harlins was hit in the back of the head at three feet away (which is basically as if they was right next to the counter or point blank range)

so as you can see, when black people speak on incidents such as these it does happen alot more frequently than you want to believe. Invalidative comments only mock acts of discrimination especially when they turn deadly. Harlins's death was at the root over juice that she didn't even steal. Imagine having your life being equaled to something so trivial, but of course Dun didn't view Harlins as a child from the very beginning, only a thief and maybe worse and the trial was no better.

The Trial

Du testified on her own behalf, claiming that the shooting was in self-defense and that she believed her life was in danger. But her testimony was contradicted by the statements of the two witnesses present at the time, as well as the store's security camera video, which showed Du shooting Harlins in the back of the head as the teenager turned away from Du and attempted to leave the store. The Los Angeles Police Department ballistics report also found that the handgun Du used was altered in such a way that it required much less pressure on the trigger to fire than an ordinary handgun.

On November 15, 1991 a jury found that Du's decision to fire the gun was fully within her control and that she fired the gun voluntarily. The jury found Du guilty of voluntary manslaughter, an offense that carries a maximum prison sentence of 16 years. The jury recommended the maximum sentence for Du, but Judge Joyce Karlin (a white woman) rejected it and sentenced Du to five years of probation, 400 hours of community service, and a $500 fine.

Joyce commented the following: 

 "Did Mrs. Du react inappropriately? Absolutely. But was that reaction understandable? I think that it was." Karlin added, "this is not a time for revenge...and no matter what sentence this court imposes Mrs. Du will be punished every day for the rest of her life." 

Now as you can see, there was no justified reason for Du to had gotten that low of a sentence for practically murdering someone, a child no less. The jury had no issue with the clear evidence that showcased Du had the intent to kill once she was humiliated. She attempted to assault a little girl who most likely she didn't view as one, threw things at her immaturely, and with a scattered yet straight conscious murdered her in cold blood. A murder, she was a child murderer!  However this white woman viewed it in her benefit for two reasons: 1) it would gain the support of the Asian community and 2) it would police and scare the Black community

You can see it was part of the intent too, when Joyce said "This is not a time for revenge" who was that suppose to be referring to? Most likely, the black community since Latasha's death was a really big shock to the community, I mean a 15 year old little girl was shot in the back of the head after being accused of being a thief, something black people have always been subjected to as a possible reality yet to have it be a child, who wouldn't feel like taking it out on the group who clearly looks down on them? The court also stated that Du shot Harlins under extreme provocation and duress and deemed it unlikely that Du would ever commit a serious crime again however they failed to realize that she had clearly showcased an immature nature and failed to not call the police before grabbing a gun. Even if she did shoot her, she also didn't attempt to wound her because having a gun is mainly for defense it's also for stopping a robber so the authorities can handle them (since they claimed to have had robbers before).

However Harlins was a teenage girl, unarmed, had no intent to take the juice, and was leaving on her own. How can you say she had any justification to kill her? I personally think it was more so that as an immigrant ( yes, she was a korean immigrant) if Latasha told her guardians this adult asian woman approached her, called her out her name, accused her of stealing, then attempted to assault her with clear witnesses, what did you think the police were gonna do? They have two minorities they can bag, it would had been easy to use that to deport her (even if you're legal you clearly can't commit a crime and pose as a threat or you can legally be deported). Add that to her definite racist mindset, She decided to murder her instead of alert the authorities, does that sound like someone who shouldn't be punish to the full extent?

It's also important because the death of Latasha took place exactly 13 days after the infamous Police Beating of Rodney King

Alot of you have probably never heard of, have heard of, or just learned about this incident. It was a really big event that took place like a week before Latasha was killed. Rodney King's beating by police officers was caught on film and shocked the nation with how uncomfortable and gruesome it was. It became one of the major cases of police brutality that would help inspire Black Lives Matter. The Death of Latasha Harlins not only help solidify that black people were being purposefully targeted, but that it's not just white people doing it. Anti blackness is in every race even the Black community. The manipulative nature a society has had from all angles really gets to people and soon people try to justify targeting or being a target usually pointing fingers to the bad apples of a group, however a few isn't all, so this "justification" is just an excuse to say to want to hurt people with little consequence. The Asian community is only one of many however they have been pretty prominent and clear about it which is scary.

A week after a failed appeal for the court ruling done by the Harlin family, which they were compensated with $300,000, the 1992 LA Riots, one of the most prominent riots in US history took place. The riots started in April 1992 as a result of all 4 police officers being acquitted of guess what? the vicious beating of Rodney King. Ironically, the riots for George Floyd would also be the result of 4 police officers responsible for his death. This result angered the public and mostly the black community, it had been a year since the beatings only to have all of those responsible let off the hook. 

It's important to know this because specifically during these riots. 

The incident and reduced sentencing by the court exacerbated the existing tensions between African-American residents and Asian-American merchants in South-central Los Angeles. Those tensions were later interpreted by some members of the public and activists as being one of the catalysts for the 1992 Los Angeles riots. The Los Angeles mayor's office estimated that 65 percent of all businesses vandalized during the riots were Korean-owned. On August 17, 1991, while Du was awaiting trial, a small fire occurred at her store. During the 1992 riots, Du's store was looted and burned down, and it never reopened. The property later became a market under different ownership.

It's most likely was the result of well Latasha's death. It had been a year, but people don't simply forget. "Forgetting and moving on" doesn't help anyone but those responsible that's why it's just a manipulative tactic. When someone wants you to forget, they really want you stay quiet about it. Alot of kids get touched and told to forget by their abusers, alot of victims of abuse get told to forget and move on. It's not really for the benefit of those effected, it's to save the people who did what they did.

Now of course this doesn't justify the looting because people do lose their income and ways to feed and care their family however if we want to be honest: do you really think the asian community was on latasha's side? Even to this day, many Asian American kids have reveal alot about their community. The story of overbearing parents is sadly not too far from realistic than stereotypical. I've also personally been told by an asian friend (she's like 3 years younger than me) that her parents even at a young age taught her to view black people as criminals, poor, and as thieves. It's was shocking because this wasn't the first time I've heard these type of things. Two of my friends a few years prior (one black and the other biracial) said they both applied to a chinese store and the biracial one got hired and not the black one.

The biracial girl is half black too and she said that the asian owners were super racist saying things about specifically a black customer and admitting they don't hire or like black people. The only reason they openingly said this around her too was because they thought she was latina and these stories are from not too long ago. Basically with that in mind, do you really think the asian community sympathized with a girl who was the true victim? Hell no, most of them probably justified it with the "black people are dangerous" mentality and supported their own. That's how it always is and this is why racial community gate-keep alot of their own people, no one was will to stand for the justice they preach on all sides and so the world is corrupted to the core.

 I will also admit that if 65% of the targeted stores were korean owned, it's means the community paided alot of attention to a specific group on this. Compared to the George Floyd riots, they did a similar thing by targeting police buildings (allegedly because I heard that there were also undercover people purposely burning building to propagandize the movement) however when it came to the businesses, it was mostly one the way. I also think the appeal played alot in refreshing people's minds too.

A cause has an effect. You can't expect civil nature if you don't preform it. Riots are messy but they get the job done and that should've never been the norm. It's not the rioters fault or the victims of the riots, it's the system that failed to uphold the corruption they passed as justice. Du should had been given the maximum for murdering a child of her own free will. Those police officers should had been charged however what did we get?

Du was given a slap on the wrist and those 4 officers walked free after killing a little girl and beating a man mercilessly who both were black. Calling black people "easily triggered" or " quick to victimize themselves" invalidates the history of where that comes from. Black people wouldn't need to feel like that if they weren't treated in such manners, that their deaths were meaningless, that all the trauma and heartache was some how their own fault. Koreans most definitely have a history of this feeling, their country was victims to it many times: Being controlled by three countries (China, Japan, and Russia), the Japanese Occupation, The Comfort Woman issue, The Korean War, The Sewol Ferry Tragedy, and so much more. So how can they hold up the standard for themselves but not others?

You don't need to live outside of Korea to know better, and this is specifically an issue for native koreans because they can get away with being ignorant. If I lived in a country where 98% of the population looks like me, is the same race as me, and has no one constantly challenging my way of life, I would be comfortable enough to look down on others too. When the call for BLM happened, korean netizens were quick to talk about asian discrimination, even had the audacity to claim black people didn't defend them...... which is far from the truth. I can account so many times when black people have bullied those in our community when they do discriminative stuff to other groups so I wanna know what have people who live in a cozy bubble experienced to claim such a thing?

The truth is it's all an excuse. It's gaslighting. It's exactly the tactic every majority does down the board when they want invalidate minorities. And it's also said because the Asian community is targeted for this exact purpose. Writer Steven Zhou wrote an interesting article targeting racism and anti blackness in the Chinese Canadian community. One of the highlights included how politicians would take advantage of the conservative nature of Asian people for political support. It's a serious issue.

For those who might not know, this behavior has given Asians or more specifically Asian Americans the term "The Model Minority". It's basically when a majority (especially white americans) use a specific group to gaslight and invalidate the concerns of other groups. Asians are mainly referred to this because thanks to the conservative nature of traditional households they aren't viewed in a "threatening" way and I say it that way because Asian Americans are usually the most quiet when it comes to their issues here.

They aren't what they would say the "violent types" which is why alot of groups don't "fear" them. It's partly why it's so easy to make Asian jokes and get away with them. The perception is that Asians are "like white people, but they aren't" which basically means they have the same mentality, beliefs, and prejudices on society but in the US, white people are the ones who have the control.

One of my favorite Youtubers lately, Pierre XO (great channel on the i guess "woke" commentary) who is Asian talks about this at lengths in his video "The Unspoken Truth about Asian Racism"

He also did a very heartbreaking and great video on the George Floyd, Ahmaud Audery, and Abuse of Power so I recommend that one too

And with this, I'll end it. What are your thoughts? I like talking about things like this because it is very important especially within this community since alot of people who aren't black or asian speak too much for a tension and issue that doesn't involve them at all. It really does go deeper than just the music and fashion so I hope you all learned something today. If I got something wrong please tell me. Bye

Note: Gfriend's fandom (Buddies) have been using #EunhALoveSoBeautiful and tagging Source Music asking for them to let Eunha try out for the lead role of Chen Xiaoxi, the lead female who's signature is a bob hair cut and being significantly shorter than her love interest

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People need to stop getting salty already, it's not that deep we all will have different trainees to support no need to be negging people just because

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I know the dere archetypes, but I notice sense these are based on typical types of characters that usually work in a romantic scenario I wonder if it's possible to make up your own if there isn't an existing term. I heard there are also new dere types popping up, but I was sure.

I also apply this to Manga given that well most popular anime types come from mangas first

They may not debut again this year. They lost two members it may take longer

There was already one flop attempt at making an AKB inspired gg stateside: https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop-shop/5657574/jc-chasez-introduces-girl-radical-watch-just-a-girl-music-video

 

Maybe it would be different if AKS worked with local investors here, but I doubt it.

Oh, I never knew this but maybe it would had been better to specifically target young girls since AKB's charm comes from the fact these are young women who don't just portray one look and message but wow, that's pretty interest I never knew that, but if you don't mind I still wish to at least try and hope that AKB's franchise themselves play a part into it so if any of you could at least spare a signature it's at least a shot and I would appreciate it

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so I have a friend who really wants a AKB48 group in our country. I only recently enjoy AKB thanks to Produce48 but I'm more of a K****46 enthusiast, but overall I think it would be cool idea given that our industry died out on the girl group/ boy group thing (minus kp*p ofc) the problem is we live in the US and pretty much that's self explanatory. I see the negatives and positives of this but tbh I find the positive outweight depending on how the group is carries. If you want more on it just ask but I just wanted to see some thoughts first

From what  found M*M got their reaction video from FBE after some tweeted wanting them to check them out and had like 100 likes. Let's do the same

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