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Does anyone know what’s the deal with the fan cafe and the protests? Is it really as bad as people are saying...

So a little drama has arisen on UNB and ACE Twitter and I am wondering what anyone thinks?

There have been a good amount of tweets I've seen wishing for UNB's disbandment because they want to see specifically Chan back in ACE...

Personally, I think it's a little selfish....

I finally got around to watching UNB's stuff.  I must say, I'm extremely disappointed in the way they're being promoted.

1. The music video NEEDED to be on 1theK, that would increase the views way beyond 1 million.  If BIGFLO and HOTSHOT can get their music videos on 1theK, there's no excuse why UNB's videos aren't.

2. They aren't playing the group's strengths.  When you've got a group with amazing dancers like Feeldog, Euijin, Daewon, Hojung, Hansol, and even Chan, there should be some super intense and cool choreography.  Nothing was memorable about the choreo.

3. Their ballad song had a lot of auto-tune, which is awkward because ballads are supposed to show off vocal strength.

4. I didn't like the teasers with their fake tattoos.  The tattoos looked stupid and obviously fake. People who don't like tattoos aren't going to like the teasers, and people who like tattoos won't like it either because they're just painted on.

5. The songs are pretty good, but there is a lot of competition right now between Wanna One, EXO-CBX, Winner, Super Junior, and TVXQ.  It's gonna be really hard to stand out.  I hope they do well, but it's gonna be difficult.

I know it’s just your opinion but the level of negativity in this post is astounding. Not sure what you consider to be memorable choreography but UNB’s choreo is 100% skilled and memorable and non-UNB stans have even noticed that.

Also not sure where the autotune is in Only One. I hate that people don’t understand what actual autotune sounds like, like legit that is just their vocal tone and Reverb (literally the smallest voice echo) which is NOT AUTO TUNE. And the tattoos were never meant to look real and you can’t predict how people are going to feel about it.

Lastly, the only thing I can agree on is the way the MVs were uploaded - slightly messy.

That being said to ignore everything else that is being done:

Appearances on:

K-RUSH

Immortal Song

Gag Concert

Happiness Train

Entertainment Weekly

Yu Yuel’s Sketchbook

Hello Counselor

An incoming reality show

Dream Concert 2018

3 Busking events (packed btw)

Countless VLIVES + special videos

Burger Kings Ads

And more to come...

Like not really sure what KBS can do other than continuing what they are doing. What bothers is me is not the criticism but like if the fans dont support UNB who will - and negativity is no help. KBS will make mistakes, all we can hope for is they learn from them. 

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I think getting 1 million views in 1 week sounds the most feasible. Let's get it.

 

 

 

While I do want them to do sorta bright song, I'm also not so sure due to them being veterans with some age for some of them. I.P.U has more youthful vibe, which has been covered by Wanna One and actually suits them better. So if UNB goes to bright route, maybe it's better for them to do something more mature? Like Unit B's Question maybe. Or something around that.

Due to their lineup, I also think maybe BTS style or JBJ style of songs would suit them to not show their weakness in vocal much, because the songs focus more on being catchy and the rap-vocal ratio is 50:50. This group has plenty of rappers anyway.

This is just my opinion. But I don’t think UNB should be pigeon-holed into songs with 50% rap. The members have stated that they want to been seen as a group that can do anything where the rappers can sing and vice versa, so they are willing to put in that extra work. maybe not something exactly like IPU necessarily but then again “Pull Me†and IPU are not very far off from each other.

If they were to do something more rap centered, I think something like IKON’s “Love Scenario†would be quite easy to do.

In the end, there is a reason composers and producers exist, so far we haven’t seen a song that is currently tailored to UNB’s vocals to really show what they can do. The closest thing to that in my opinion has been the “Breathe†stage, and that certainly wasn’t a weak stage imo.

That being said I am not really wanting UNB to strain themselves to try and do a MAMAMOO or TVXQ level song either. I just want them to have options and for people to believe that they can pull it off. Being a power vocalist doesn’t always mean you are the best singer.

So I just took a listen to WannaOne’s new song I.P.U, and I feel like UNB would do really well with a similar concept and song. Bright, performance base but with good vocal points, and a upbeat dance track aka beagle song central.

Question for y'all, what kind of variety show would you want to see UNB do?

1. Daily dorm life 

2. Mission-based show 

3. Cookin Show (like NCT Korean Cooking King, U-KISS' Chef's Kiss)

4. Travel/Vacation based (Like BTS Bon Voyage) 

Man, I give props to Jun for managing the main vocal lines in both songs, you could see that he sturggled to hit the notes but he tried his best. Although he is a rapper, he has the potential to be a decent vocalist and hopefully he will get taught the proper techniques to become a better vocalist. Chan has proven that he is truely a main vocalist of ace and it is shown with this performance. Although the group is shows that they can do without a 'tanky' vocal and hopefully they just have chan do the high notes imo. Jun is alright but you can see the stuggle (vocal training will improve it) and poor kijoong is going through puberty so he is unable to show his vocal talent due to the group being limited in time.

I anticipate what type of songs they will release bevause there is a potential of showing off their own charm with the talent they have.

Personally, I believe Jun has close to main vocal poitential if the producers for U.N.B invest in training him as such a little more. People have to realize that in U-KISS, he was actually transitioning to becoming a Lead/Main Vocal anyway because Soohyun (the power vocal) was joining the army.

Jun just clearly needs to know how to not strain his voice too much to hit such high notes. This being said, I’m still really impressed with him, and to me he is definitely not just merely a sub-vocal or bound to being a rapper. He has always been delving between singing and rappping in U-KISS.

I hope KBS takes sometime to finesse the boys, it’s all they really need to be great - a little tweaking.

Personally, I believe Jun has close to main vocal poitential if the producers for U.N.B invest in training him as such a little more. People have to realize that in U-KISS, he was actually transitioning to becoming a Lead/Main Vocal anyway because Soohyun (the power vocal) was joining the army.

Jun just clearly needs to know how to not strain his voice too much to hit such high notes. This being said, I’m still really impressed with him, and to me he is definitely not just merely a sub-vocal or bound to being a rapper. He has always been delving between singing and rappping in U-KISS.

I hope KBS takes sometime to finesse the boys, it’s all they really need to be great - a little tweaking.

in survival show, they have to master a song in three days... let alone most of them already few years debut, none of them is weak dancer

 

i was watching the whole music bank show. all of group there are nugus and unit b wasnt even a stand out one.

Lol sorry but that might be a matter of personal opinion - as I thought the Unit groups clearly stood out as something more.

Yes Unit-B needs to improve but once again IT IS VERY UNFAIR to put them up against the other groups performing that day with months of comeback preparation and members being used to each other.

Just not really here to give into unwarranted negativity, as in reality the Unit groups are doing well for themselves.

Lol 

U.N.B gets no breaks on this thread. I think they did just fine, all things considered. It's is insane already that Jun and Chan were able to successfully sing Jeup, Rockhyun and Lee Geon parts, can't imagine how stressed they might have been. Hojung stepped his vocals a bit, which is nice to see. Also Feeldog surprised me with his vocal parts. 

I enjoyed their performances!

As for UNITY, they are honestly perfect. WHAT MORE IS THERE TO SAY. Euijin and ZN vocals in You&I slayed me.

https://twitter.com/_junyoungth/status/966719675508801538

WOW JUN REALLY DID THAT. I can’t believe he hit those notes tbh

https://twitter.com/woorixx/status/955707136297746432

Jun covering some of Jeup’s vocals in “No Wayâ€

While a lot of people here said they would like to see more interaction between 2 units,

I personally prefer them to have zero interaction from now on,

Own variety show, own fan meeting, own photo shooting, different promoting period, etc.

 

Continue to having collaboration is like playing with fire. Scandal preventing is a must.

A lot of image damages / unfavorable impression were already there,

low viewers rating, dance plagiarism, cancellation of large scale fan meeting.

Can't afford to have one more.

I can agree with your first thought for the most part. They should have separate showcases, different promotion periods, debut dates, different fan meets (1st one combined is fine) and variety appearances.

 

My reasoning has nothing to do with dating scandals as we barely see them communicate even when on the same stage. I think it's more important that they develop their own unique identity so neither G or B fanbases can accuse the other of riding off the others coat tails. It will be more lasting and rewarding if each group can gain success apart from the other. They can always perform on the same ticket for special events or hopefully an anniversary.

 

 

The stuff about their image is important. Canceling the event is not a good look but at least it was done before tickets went on sale. Imagine if they had done it after selling some tickets. Have g to do a refund because you couldn't fill a venue would have been an awful look. So in my opinion they mitigated a bigger disaster. Now you can just spin it to putting on a better debut.

 

But the other stuff you mentioned is way over blown. Most news on the Unit has been positive.There is no scandal for low ratings or dance plagiarism. Nothing has blown up to gain any traction. Unlike idol producer, which gets dragged every episode for one thing or another, including song theft and dance plagiarism.

 

I definitely think KBS must be careful. This is a crucial time. They have to stage the unveiling of these groups properly and with better forsight. But let's not try to make things worse than they really are. 

Agreed the points about plagiarism and low ratings is sensationalizing, and overblown for sure. The Unit started pretty strongly and ended pretty strongly, yeah there were fans that tapered off in the middle but its not that huge. And sorry but the Unit barely had any scandals worth worrying about. 

Thought it would be good to post UNIT-B's Vocal Line, singing for reference: 
 
I am still curious as to how they will sound together: 
 
Kijoong:

LIVE 
https://www.youtube.com/embed/CDUYvW7etPo

RECORDED, starts at 00:50

https://www.youtube.com/embed/nqesJ9i5IV0

I actually never watched his position stage until now and I am impressed. I honestly think if he can overcome the puberty complication, he is a main vocal potential for sure.

Jun:

LIVE: 

https://www.youtube.com/embed/i-hzgf8d6VY

RECORDED, start to 1:07

https://www.youtube.com/embed/vZsK9gNG26Y

Chan:

LIVE:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/cHsJeKBv9b8

RECORDED:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/2ya-EkDqdbI

https://www.youtube.com/embed/CGGMAsT7Ac8

These groups were put together last week. This episode was edited in less time than that. What were people expecting from this? Lol.

 

At this point, the recap should help new fans and keep us hanging on.

 

I'm only wondering if they provide info on the group names and schedule at the end. Other than that, I didn't expect much.

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U can't really compare BTS to the final lineup of UnitB simply because most of BTS songs are rap based like Jungkook had to go on Masked Singer to prove they actually have singers in the group which is not the same for The Unit seeing that Jun and Marco(to an extent tho cos many people hate his rap) are the only rappers and both of them don't come close to Jhope(not to say they aren't good but Kanto would have been their saving grace) and then u have Namjoon and Suga who are one of the best idol rappers saving their songs which makes place for a balance combination of superb rap and quite good vocals(note I used quite good) . The case with the UnitB and why people are finding it difficult to stan them is that the group is like a group made up of Taemin, Jhope, Hoshi, Kai, The8, and there is Jungkook, Chen, Wonwoo and Taeyeong contending for the last 3spots . Who do you think will be of benefit to the group among those four having in mind that Taemin among the guys in the final lineup can sing to an extent like Jun the rest can carry a tune but are mainly dancers and remember there's only one legit rapper in the group. Like am a BTS stan (Jungkook stan see my username) but I would vote in Chen to save the group but instead the Unit makers chose to vote Jungkook(Chan in this case) , Wonwoo( Marco) and Taeyong( Hansol) leaving behind the most important asset the final lineup needs.... I just hope Jun doesn't kill himself in this group tbh since he is going to be the one to help Chan from collapsing from the weight of a main Vocal that he has as it stands and would also be in charge of the raps because The song itself is far more important than the performance on the stage (speaking of the performance they might even get dragged for lip syncing or bad vocals on stage) which some of the others in the lineup are good at LIKE I don't think the public listening to songs on Melon chart first go to watch the performance to see if they are awesome performers before listening or streaming the song. Whether some would like to admit it or not The song itself is more important than the performance only in a few cases is it other wise... Good luck to Jun.

Like  I said, I am not gonna compare Unit-B and BTS, member for member. It was just an example of group that doesn't rely on power vocals. 

yeah I kinda went off lol but I was like ????

You can see that Chan lacked general popularity so much just by looking at this naver view/heart ratio. I always pointed out that he has almost ridiculously high number of hearts and comments in relation to his views. Views are generated more by general popularity and hearts by dedicated fans, cause only that kinda fans will bother to pressure like and that kinda fans will bother to go all over the place and send votes. and exactly this kinda fans are most useful. since they are the one who's gonna buy streaming passes and albums.

 

Even tho he is 9th he isn't among least popular. on the contrary he seems among most popular. his winning speech is one of most viewed and actually has more upvotes and comments than even Jun on Naver. During first and second mission top comments were never about him under performances videos , starting from all day you could see increased amount of attention for him and for Pull me in stage, top comments are mostly about Chan and he has more(considerably) upvotes than even Euijin, this never happened before and I don't get why people have to put him up against Jeup. Both had middle rank reveal, its not like Jeup was inside top9 and Chan kicked him out, he even went to 8th at some point and pushed Kijoong to 9th. Idk guys why don't you put Jeup and Kijoong against each other and argue who would be better addition. Since he was also up for 9th spot, Chan has garnered loud and dedicated fans, that's exactly quality companies look for in trainees. Jeup should have been in instead of Hansol/Daewon. But I'll jut shut up now.

Hold up. 

Y'all took it to a whole other level I wasn't trying to. I have no investment in picking on Chan as I think he is a great addition to Unit-B. All I was saying is that out of all the contestants in my eyes, he defied voting trends (even moreso than Marco). I never stated Chan had GENERAL POPULARITY, I said he was GENERALLY LIKABLE aka is personality and performance. 

And I would be hard pressed to say ACE isn't a rising boygroup right now, that doesn't give them the credit they deserve.

Chan and ZN were both examples of steady climbers who won over the audience, and defied voting odds. That's really all I am getting at. 

Don't really know how Jeup came into the picture, I never really said that Chan took his place or anything of the sort. Only that Jeup suffered from the return of "audition episode viewers." Love Jeup, but I don't see the use in pitting him against Chan.  

I was literally praying the last member was Jeup or Chan so I got what I wanted lol.

A new teaser

 

 

Eng subbed ver of Unit B greeting

 

 

 

Watching this, they are starting to give me ASTRO vibes. I wonder if they are going to capitalize on their beagle charm or their reversal charms like JBJ.

A new teaser

 

 

Eng subbed ver of Unit B greeting

 

 

 

 

Main vocal is Chan. Lead vocals would be Jun & Kijoong I guess. Jun & Kijoong are not good enough to be main vocals.

Idk about Hojung since so far he didn't show me much apart of singing in the safe zone and I have doubts about him being the lead vocal from the singing he showed in The Unit so far.

But anyway, I guess they wouldn't assign these lead-main vocals and dancers explicitly like how Wanna One did. All Wanna One did is just assigning someone as a leader officially and that's it. The rest you can only tell from parts distribution, who are the ones who usually have significant bigger and challenging parts over the rest. Imo it's likely that it's gonna be Chan > Jun > the rest. Cuz Kijoong has puberty block, I'm not sure how much parts he can be assigned of. Hopefully plenty.

No yeah I meant “main vocal line†as in the core vocals of each song, I feel like the three of them will dictate a lot what of the vocals will end up sounding like, which I am actually really excited for because I think the rawness of Kijoong’s voice which is quite unique, Chan’s sweeter vocals (ex. Jungkook BTS, Suho EXO etc) and Jun’s versatile voice where he can switch from ballad mode to pop song in an instance will be very dynamic. - thinking about all the interesting harmonization has me PUMPED actually.

A new teaser

 

 

 

I personally think DWTD team edit didn't affect them much, not especially since the guys in DWTD team are mostly known for their solid supporter fans. A meek forced drama like that wouldn't affect the supporters I'm pretty sure.

I honestly think the reason for the reversal in rankings was that fact that so many Audition episode watchers returned for the Finale and voted for who they remembered in those episodes - that the contestants like Seyong and Jeup who kind of "won us over" suffered. 

It would explain why Marco shot up so crazily, as he was a buzzworthy contestant. 

The only exception is Chan who I think just benefited from the rise of ACE as a group, and his general appeal. 

Oh, believe me... Jun will continue to rise from here.

 

Realistically speaking, in my opinion the ones in the current lineup who will most likely continue to do very well after the Unit promotions are ACE Chan (considering their other members making it in M9 and their increasing popularity as a group) and Jun.

 

Jun will definitely taste fame, really not sure about his group U-Kiss though... it will totally depend on how their company manages them, and imo they should really give Jun more spotlight if they want to increase their chances of success.

Whatever happens tho, Jun will always have many alternate pathways because he is so multitalented. He can be a solo performer, an actor, a model... whatever he chooses, so things are looking good for him.

Yeah it really depends on how they manage U-KISS but as of now NHemg is pretty bad at it. They barely updated on Jun on any official social media even though he consistently ranked No.1 over and over again and his All Day Fancam rentered the Naver Top100 multiple times and sits at 300k+ views rn. - the boy has star potential ready to unleash. 

I know NHemg is planning on debuting a new boygroup soon (they had the contestants on MixNine, Lee Habit being the one who survived the longest), he could be transferred to that group but then again Jun's loyalty to U-KISS is really intense lol. I just want this boy to see success with whatever group he is with. 

Who knows at this point U-KISS could become a rotational group.

Oh hey! High five! :D

Yeah... Jun, Chan and Kijoong are definitely going to be the ones to carry the vocals of the group.

But we should look on the bright side... looking at how both Jun and Chan practically vocally hard-carried All Day, I'd say the final group should do fine. Most people who only saw them perform in the Unit might not think they are 'good' enough singers, but that's because they haven't shown the full extent of their skills on the show. Fact is, they are a lot better than many people think :D

I agree, and I don’t want to be that person but a group like BTS for instance doesn’t really have main vocal material on the level of Jeup or ROCKHYUN and they do just fine. Like they have more unique vocalists rather than power vocalists (ex. Jimin, and Jungkook) but I am not gonna compare cause that will start too much.

Although I am curious to see what Hojung’s vocal limits are since he is a Lead Vocal in HOTSHOT. Maybe he will surprise us.

Hi everyone! I've been following this thread silently for a while now... I'm kinda new here so I'd like to share my personal thoughts about the final lineup (Unit B)

 

Honestly, I can't say I'm truly happy with the number of rookies/trainees in the group. Don't get me wrong, I DO like some of them, and I do believe that Chan, Kijoong, Marco and Hansol are very talented in their own ways that appealed to people enough to vote them into the Top 9.

I just really wished KBS made it clear from the start, like specify a month/year where idols debuting before that time are eligible to participate. That would've prevented the controversy that is now surrounding the group. I even have one rookie that I was really supporting (Hangyul) but I would've still allowed other veterans into the Top 9 over him (as saddening as it is).

 

Regardless, what has happened already happened so there's no point raising a ruckus over it. I can totally understand people still being salty over it, but it will die down with time hopefully. As for the final lineup, at the moment I'm pretty indifferent to most of them - I do really stan Jun though, and support Feeldog and Euijin.

(P.S: Any Jun stans are welcome to fangirl with me, as I kind noticed there aren't many of them here or they're not so vocal about it.)

JUN STAN HERE! But yeah I noticed Jun stans aren’t very vocal here , but I love that boy, he is gonna add so much to the final line up. Although Unit-B really isn’t my ideal (I really just needed Geon or Jeup), I think they will grown on me real fast because they are all sweet beagle boys.

HERE TO STAN THE BOIS AND SUPPORT OUR UNDERRATED/UNDERDOG VOCAL LINE: Kijoong, Chan, Jun and Hojung. and Feeldog and Euijin we’re always faves

Someone on DC made a correlation of heart number of individual cams with their final ranks, comparing MixNine and The Unit.But keep in mind that MixNine has this criteria to decide the final lineup: 30% text votes during the live show, 20% pre-broadcast online preference rankings, and 30% judges' scores, while The Unit most likely won't have judges scores. Heart number ranks of individual cams just before finale from Mix9 (Naver)1. Woo Jinyoung : 1841 (#1) - HF2. Kim Hyojin : 1730 (#2) - ONF3. Kim Byeongkwan : 1125 (#4) - ACE4. Lee Donghun : 1056 (#8) - ACE5. Lee Byunggon : 933 (#9) - YG6. Kim Seyoon : 789 (Eliminated - ACE)7. Kim Minseok : 831 (#7) - ONF8. Shim Haeyong : 715 (Eliminated - ONF)9. Lee Seungjun : 706(Eliminated - ONF)10. Song Hangyeom : 704 (#6) - Staro11. Choi Hyunseok : 692 (#5) -YG12. Lee Rubin : 613 (#3) - Liveworks13.Yao Ming Ming : 391 (Eliminated #10)14. Kim Hyunsoo : 38215. Jin Seongho: 38016. Lee Jaejoon: 37517. Kim Hyunjung: 35118. Kim Gukheon: 163Unit B hearts number ranks from individual teasers today (Naver)1. U-Kiss Jun2. Euijin3. Timoteo4. Go Hojung5. Chan6. Donghyun7. Seyong8. Feeldog9. Hangyul10. Marco11. Jeup12. Suwoong13. Kijoong14. Dongmyeong/Lee Geon16. Rockhyun17. Daewon18. Ji Hansol 

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Something I didn’t even realize is we might see a boost in Chan’s votes because I’m pretty sure before some people were trying to keep Jun in Top 18. So who knows what could happen.

Who do you predict to end up in the final lineup? Including their ranks if you want.

 

My prediction:

Boys

1. U-Kiss Jun

2. Euijin

3. Feeldog

4. Seyong

5. Timoteo/Hojung

6. Jeup

7. Kijoong

8. Rockhyun

9. Donghyun/Daewon/Chan/Hangyul

 

Girls

1. Euijin

2. Semmi

3. NC.A

4. Yebin

- Good Day Jiwon

- Lee Hyunjoo

- Euna Kim

- Woohee

- Lee Suji/ZN/Yang Jiwon

 

 

 

The rankings reveal usually would only be done on finale. Like on the beginning and mid show. Not-preshow.

I think this is a pretty realistic and reasonable prediction.

I would really want to see Woohee abd Yang Jiwon before GD Jiwon.

Although I love ZN, and I want Laboum to get their shine, I would prefer to have BOTH Lee Suji and Euna Kim over her.

Hyunjoo at this point is so polarizing, I am not sure what to make of her tbh.

As for UNITB

And I still hope for something miraculous to happen to Geon, but tbh the fact that Daewon is still in it, it becomes more and more unlikely. Same goes for Hangyul (but then again I feel like Kijoong and Hangyul fans don’t overlap as much).

Chan has REALLY grown on me, I feel like he could really complete whatever lineup there is, I am rooting for his rise. In regards to Donghyun I am neutral about him, his fandom power is great but I am not sure if he is crucial to TOP9.

Also Like many have said, Pls can we just get one Hotshot boy. I like Hojung.

Jun, Euijin and Feeldog seem to be very unanimous picks across the board, I don’t think I’ve seen predictions without them.