Nanamie

I'm mentally ill too but listen to me here, you need to take responsability for your actions regardless of whetever or not they're the product of your mental illness. You don't get to repeatedly manipulate, gaslight, be offensive, take advantage of, or straight up abuse people because you're mentally ill. I'm sorry, you don't. Why are some people still thinking it's ok to say things like "manipulation is okay because i have ___ and need attention from___". Please don't do that. Of course, there are disorders that cause mood swings, anger and irritability, such as bipolar disorder. But it’s a personal choice how you react to these emotions. Do you get help the moment you do something you know is wrong? Or do you expect everyone else to simply accept the hurt you’re delivering? If you find yourself lashing out of people, that’s something you need to fix. It’s something you should seek help for. It is something you should acknowledge. You should not allow it to continue happening just because you think it’s part of the parcel of mental illness. Excusing horrible behaviour for a mental disorder makes it seem as though being horrible is the norm for people with mental illness. And that’s not okay. A lot of the time bad behaviour is coming from a place of fear, distress, or hurt, which is entirely normal. But repeating this behaviour over and over is not okay. Take a step back and work on yourself so you know you won’t inflict hurt or pain on other people. People not acknowledging these points aren't helping Mina either.

Non-s*xually acquired human papillomavirus infection are extremely rare and typically from parents to children. Ex : -Inoculation from the hand of a caregiver during a nappy change. -Vertical transmission from mother to baby during vaginal delivery. Non-s*xual transmissions are cases you can mostly observe in pediatric. If Mina is a 27yo pure virgin and should have a talk with anyone i would bet on mom n dad.

Nope, but nice try. And you, are you a Mina fan?

News and gossip. Everyone is so salty lmao Edit : There's 2 whole threads here of people discussing idols sexualities and you want to makes me believe speculation isn't allowed ?

Chanmi said she took a bunch of vocal lessons before comebacks. Mina blaming her HPV illness on Jimin. Didn't know about that one? Or what is HPV exactly? It has nothing to do with mentality at all. This illness cervical dysplasia can only be recognized if you’ve taken the HPV test or colposcopy which again has nothing to do with mental illness. It’s mostly due to s/x. So simply 27yo Mina most likely had s/x and got this. OR from parents to children contacts*.

False rumors surrounding Jimin and FNC to have admitted Mina getting bullied fact: Only I-fans have spread this, Koreans are aware they didn’t and that’s why Mina call their apologies and statements “asses” because they simply didn’t admit to something they could not have done, that’s why she’s calling for a third apology from Jimin… Jimin apologized for not have been sensitive or careful enough to Mina’s wants. That’s not admitting to bullying in the slightest.

Did you even read the post? Mina wasn't performing with the group for at least 1 month (absent from like a cat activites), so what was she doing? Unless FNC tied her up in a basement she had lot of time to see her father. She herself said later her manager took her to the hospital but she chose to walk away. Don't blame your own choices on others. Apparently you don't know how this works so i'm going to kindly inform you, renewal fees are given to an artist who tell their company they will re-sign their contract. If the artist change their mind and don't re-sign they have to give back the money. I'm sorry but if FNC arranged vocal lessons for the girls and Mina chose to not attend almost all of them, considering she was one of the worst dancer and singer in the group, + can't rap, it gives the message she don't give a f about the group. Yuna and Hyejeong can sing... She don't have to be good but at least try. Work hard like the other girls (Chanmi took many vocal lessons despite being a main dancer/rapper), especially considering she was living off seolhyun's money, and don't skip practice or schedules for selfish reasons like hair transplant. If the hair transplant was arranged with the company AOA members and managers would be informed, don't be delulu. Also one would think FNC management weren't dumb enough to make one of their artist have a cosmetic surgery just before a comeback and important fan meeting. Anyway like i said you can have your own opinion and feelings of the matter, but don't come with an attitude when you yourself don't have anything smarter to bring the conversation. Search for facts, dates, schedules, inconsistencies, and come again.

At the end of the day, Mina did lie and there’s nothing you can do about it. But, ignorance is a bliss for some people. About her mental health, is mental health an excuse to lie about others you know? Maybe, maybe not, idk.

TW// Recently people have been digging into the AOA's bullying case more and more, and not because they hate any of the members. But, if you’re a person after the simplest conclusion you would just read everything Mina wrote. You know the T-ARA case right? Only the people who have experienced this scandal decided not to take sides between Mina and Jimin and just wait for more information rather than jumping on hate bandawagons as if they’ve made it confirmed. "How Mina assa///nated AOA Jimin's reputation" I believe it’s a solid analysis (plus it makes sense), to back up Jimin from not have thrown Mina in a closet, or not have allowed her to see her father because of promotions, or bringing men to the room she and Jimin supposedly shared together and etc. These are basically the only claims she’s made against Jimin except the whole paragraphs of “My hands sweat whenever I see her”, “I felt throwing up” etc… in short emotions to make people feel bad for her and blame it on Jimin. The YouTuber isn't the only person talking about this situation, Eliza Seid, and a5aforever on Instagram were one of those accounts there who started digging and telling people she wasn't truthful. They even got noticed by Mina when Mina called them a dog and told them to find the proof themselves before getting blocked. The thing is, they were an Elvis for more than a year or two, unlike most of you who have just heard a story. Elvises, AOA's fandom, are aware of how many members were absent and present during "Like a cat" era, you probably don’t, unless you’ve done some research. There’s also many threads on Twitter talking about it : For better understanding let me break Everglow’s point into pieces : 1- Mina saying she was not allowed to take care of her father and was forced to follow every AOA schedule because of comeback It feels like reading a roman or a novel cause as far as we all know she got a whole month of absence. Doesn't this make sense enough to say Mina were not present in promotions ? She was absent even the day her father passed away. Mina complained about Jimin and FNC for not have allowed her to see her father because of promotion, but it turned out she had a whole month. She even herself said in her own statement "I got the chance to see my dad often but i didn't" ! If you had the chance to see your father why didn’t you see him then? Where were you when you were supposed to be with your father when FNC withdrew you from most promotions and comeback stages? Normally, people get only 3 days, or maybe a week. But Mina got a whole month! Jimin herself only got half the time Mina had when she lost her own father. Why complain to the company when they’ve given her free from her work and promotions? Why ask for an apology when they’ve given her the chance and time to focus on her father’s health? Let's extend the answer with these stages of "Like a cat" without Mina : 6/7 members present She didn’t attend the dance practice video so 6/7 again 6/7 members, and this was in December not November so where where Mina then? On her break after her father passed away. We coud continue... and that was only one lie. 2-Jimin unnie threw me in a closet and told me to stop ruining the mood when I was crying because of my d**d father/could d*e father You get the lie pretty much in her own sentence, and yet most fell for her : And here is where we get minapulated. You’re too focused on Mina saying “I tried to take my own life because of her”, “She threw me in a closet”, “She said those harsh words” that you completely read over the part where she couldn’t follow her own lies straightly. Did she throw Mina in that closet before OR after her father passed away? A question you should take in instead of some of those nonsense. 3-Mina complaining about Jimin’s father getting a VIP room while her father d*ed in a normal hospital room Why should you be mad about that when Jimin’s father himself have the money to afford it? Plus another lie. Jimin’s father didn’t die in a hospital room, his d//th was sudden, he was not locked in a hospital room, I don’t know what Mina is trying to say here. I think she meant : VIP funeral service Then why complain about the hospital room your father was in when Jimin’s father didn’t even use a single hospital room? About the VIP funeral service, Jimin’s father was a wealthy person who could afford that. Mina’s family ain’t that wealthy so if they won’t be able to afford a VIP funeral service that’s totally on themselves not Jimin, not FNC, not AOA. They’ll do the ceremony however they’re able to do so. If Jimin’s father is able to do that why get mad? "FNC payed for it” there’s no single proof nor statement from neither Jimin nor AOA nor FNC. Plus she wasn’t even there, she left the group. About Jimin’s father, he went to Hwimoon high school which is one of the most prestigious private schools in SK. An old Emperor King Gojong from the period of “Juseyon” which was old Korea in history have named that high school themselves so obviously Jimin father’s family was pretty much a wealthy family who were able to send him on such private school. Here are the proofs : You know Seo Janghoon? Jimin’s family is able to afford this much money. Jimin’s father going to an extraordinary and famous prestigious private school, Jimin studying abroad China of course they will be able to pay for a VIP funeral service. He also knew and were surrounded around many celebrities. What Mina is doing here is highly disrespectful. She’s slandering Jimin’s passed away father by saying nonsense like “FNC payed for his funeral service and gave them special treatment” when in fact they were able to afford all that themselves. Even if Mina is depressed, mental broken, hates Jimin, wants her d//d, excluded from her life etc. she is not allowed to judge anyone by using their father’s d//th that’s not acceptable. 3-Jimin bringing men to their shared room throwing Mina out so she can get loud in peace. Mina ended up having to sleep in the training room "You should be set in the right path first”, so having s/x is wrong in her book now? That's why Mina took the STD test right? The younger members and the older members never and never even once shared rooms together! Proof is Chanmi’s Vlive from a few years ago where she talked about their dorm and how the younger members and the elders didn’t sleep together in the same room. Or you can read this article : https://aceofangelsnation.wordpress.com/2013/02/18/trans-the-fnc-aoa-interview-part-1/ Jimin allegedly was seeing men in her own room so how could she not sleep when Mina was in her own room and Jimin was in her own? You couldn’t have heard her unless you peaked from behind the door of course... Also even if Jimin brought men to the dorm, how is that close to bullying when she wasn't even in their business or thrown out of her "shared room" ? She can’t lie properly. 4-Jimin criticizing her singing one time for recording. A person who have only attended 3 vocal lessons in 7 years is expected to not get criticized ? And that by their own leader? Of course seniors will come at her asking her how many vocal classes did she has in all. Jimin is her leader, she is allowed to criticize especially if she see the need to. As for a person like Mina taking 3 vocal lessons in their entire life the company will tell her to get more practice. Imagine, the other members who have worked hard for years and years, everyday! Here Mina admits that she only had 3 vocal lessons in all her 3 years of being a trainee and blames it on Jimin. And Mina’s response was “I can’t remember", so she can’t remember FNC offering lots of classes to attend besides rap classes but she herself decided to skip like the dance practice? Mina could decide to take those classes whenever she wanted to. Even Chanmi, who was mainly a dancer and rapper have gotten vocal lessons and worked hard constantly. Why can’t Jimin be mad? 5-The hair-implant surgery Remember the part where Mina talked about going to the hair salon for taking hair-implant surgery and called Jimin to tell her she won’t be able to attend practice and Jimin yelled at her? Well it looks like she really didn’t like Jimin complaining at her for have put everyone on wait because of her surgery, the other members seem to have gotten mad at her as well. Proof they were working on a comeback : They prepared for a comeback in 2019 “Come see me” before Mina left with FNC’s money, she already recorded her lines and everything was almost done except dance practice. AOA was supposed to have their very first Japanese fan meeting in the same year the incident happened, but they had to cancel it. Circumstances around their artists... Maybe the reason was because they couldn’t get properly prepared? You can’t sweat for weeks if you take hair-implant surgery so it explains why Jimin got mad. Cause they would have to delay weeks of practice because of Mina’s surgery and therefore decide to cancel the Japanese fan meeting. People think it’s related to the bullying scandal and Mina not renewing her contract. But Mina did decide to renew her contract. FNC even payed her the renewal fees. But since she didn’t actually resign the paper and ran away with the money people think the Japanese fan meeting got cancelled for that. I wonder why they didn’t just post-pone it but decided to cancel it… maybe things went out of control there? They pretty much prepared for almost everything, the announcement and management of stages except the stage itself because of dance practice in which some people just had to ruin. Now you wonder why Jimin were so difficult at Mina? Because Seolhyun who used to be the groups most busiest member got tons of schedule, even tho she would get tired sometimes she still tried her best to attend schedule at the right time and knew when to do extra stuff later unlike Mina who selfishly thought of her own time but didn’t think of the other members waste of time because of her. I think it’s here Mina’s grudge with the group started cause after that happened Mina left the group. Not long after Mina decided to renew her contract well before she ran away with FNC’s money without actually renewing her contract, AOA were gonna have a new comeback “Come see me” as I said above. Is this a coincidence to you? -Mina and AOA fight when she skip the dance practice for taking hair-implant surgery in which she could have done anytime and not in exactly the day they have important schedules cause it’s not something that can make you sick or get an illness. It’s just a hair-implant surgery, for aesthetic purposes. -In the same year, AOA cancel Japanese fan meeting -Then AOA’s contract is about to end and Mina decide to renew -After getting the renewal fees, recording for their next comeback she suddenly doesn’t re-sign the contract and leaves the building with FNC’s money. -A year later after AOA’s comeback as 5 they get invited for Queendom and their group name trending again -Months later Mina posts she’s gotten bullied by Jimin… Mina had a grudge with the group including Jimin for not have “treated her well” when she skipped dance practice which again was her own fault. But you can’t expect your leader to caress your head and hug you telling you "it’s okay we’re gonna cancel the whole meeting I hope your hair-implant surgery got well". Have you thought what Jimin as the leader would have to respond their company? ["Uh sir Hang sung ho oppa *or whatever his name is*? I think we should cancel the fan meeting in Japan… we won’t get to get well-prepared cuz Mina can’t sweat for 2–3 weeks” “Why tf can’t she sweat for weeks?” “She went to the hair salon for hair-implant surgery the day we had practice” “Then why didn’t you tell her you have practice today??!!” “She knew herself, she called me on the phone and told me she won’t come and- “That’s enough. You as a leader know you have to keep responsibility. How are we supposed to respond to the fans in Japan?!?!?! Telling them Mina can’t f*cking sweat in practice so we decided to delay the whole f*cking evening?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!” "..."] Take into account that a leader of a group is the face of management, responsibility, speech and etc. Do you think you or Jimin would like it to get blamed on because of a member skipping schedule because of a surgery she could do anytime but the day of practice? Sometimes we never know unless we walk on their shoes right? You tell others we don’t know what really happened. PS : You don’t have to agree with these. And I’m not gonna force anyone to do so. Cause at the end of the day opinions will matter more than facts, and people think in different ways. Some will consider feelings and completely skip read the victims statements while others will carefully look at them and do research on what they find.

Belle Shao is a big name in the Chinese fashion industry, she has worked for Instyle China, and a lot of big celebrities like Liu Wen and Barbara Palvin. She has done photoshoots for Red Velvet with China Chic's magazine in 2018, while in there. The famous stylist spoke up about allegations of Irene yelling on a staff member and making them cry. Translation of the post : "#Ireneapologizes#. Seeing this hot search I'm not surprised at all. Irene is really beautiful but she truly lacks character (here, i've omitted 1000 words). Whoever has worked with her knows this. Within China, I was the only one who has done styling for her. The face she has is wasted on her." There is also a second post she made shortly after: "I just want to say that this is the truth. As a member of the foreign team, I just worked with them for a day. But the most miserable are the Korean staff who are besides her everyday. Everyone was trembling. She treated others with contempt." All of her posts are in her official Weibo account for those who want to check them. Before that an alleged editor and stylist, with 10 years of experience in the Korean industry, made an Instagram post also critisizing Irene's attitude : "Proven to be disqualified from being human + a puppet living behind a smiling mask + known to be a warm person by friends + an 'adult child' who lacks character + has a sense of entitlement + has the stupidity that reveals all the deficiencies transparently to the person they meet for the first time." Today, I found myself in the position of an “eul” (person in a subordinate position to “gap”) and got thoroughly stepped on by someone. Even before I met her, other people told me that I needed to be mentally prepared to meet her. Today, I was at the brunt of her electric needles and lost my words. I stood still as if my hands, feet, and brain were tied up. I became a fool as I could not do anything in front of someone that was looking at me with such distaste while shuddering. I was hit endlessly by the knives she threw out with her tongue, and so I cried. I couldn’t be bothered with caring about who I was in front of. I just couldn’t contain my tears. #psycho #monster" The original post, now deleted, was supported and liked by many industry insiders, including editors from the Korean branches of Vogue, Marie Claire, GQ, Esquire, Allure, BEAUTY+, Singles, and EYESMAG. These are all magazines that have had photoshoots involving Irene as a solo and as part of her group. Also photographer Hong Jang Hyun, who often works with top stars such as Song Hye Kyo. Not only did many magazine editors support the claim, it was reported that the previous stylists for Red Velvet and SHINee, as well as BoA‘s current stylist, all pressed like as well. A former backup dancer for Red Velvet at various events and concerts, including their Red Room tour, also supported the post. A video director that had worked with SM posted a tweet : "Wow, what should have blown up, finally really did. kekeke". Irene already publicly apologized for hurting the staff member with her "foolish attitude" and "communication methods". This statement was quickly released after the victim threatened to release an audio file of Irene's scolding. Later, the victim accepted her private apology. Now, the singer allegedly reflected on her "careless words and actions". Do you think Irene is coming back as a better person? Comments about Belle Shao posts said : 1-The fact that she's worked with Irene for one day rather than being her employee means she can out Irene's behaviour with less risk to her career. 2-I'm still also completely perplexed as to how SM let her run around acting like this and how she herself, as the leader, face, and center of the group, felt no qualms. 3-Korean staff will probably still be reluctant to publicly call her out because of potential defamation suits and the fact that SM has the power and infulence to erase them from the industry. 4-To act like that in front of Belle Shao of all people...I'd say it was a risky move but if she was so used to acting like that in front of staff that she didn't think twice... 5-I'm curious what's on that recording. It must be real bad for SM to make Irene go apologize. No way she wanted to apologize. 6-You really must be a horrible person if you have someone saying your face is wasted on you. 7-Famous stylists are coming out about her behavior and calling her out. These aren’t unnamed vague insiders or editors, this is a woman risking her own credibility to tell the truth.

You need at least 4-12 months to completely heal a procedure like jawshave, with 10-20 days of initial recovery without work/exercice. Even if an idol didn't have official group activities for 2 months it doesn't mean they didn't have other public appearances like vlive, photoshoots, radio, airport pics... And i doubt most kpop group at the beginning of their popularity can afford even 10 days of leaves (no practice). SKZ are a young group at peak overwork, and BTS only had their first 2 month leave in 2019 anything before was Big Hit overworking them. Considering that i don't think BTS could have jaw work before 2019 (people were discussing 2016 Yoongi), SKZ is impossible... Current Twice aren't as overworked as they used to be so it's a possibility? But cheekbone reduction takes 3-6 months for full recovery so it's a bit short and idk if Sana had solo appearance during the 2,5 months without official group activities.

I agree with the second part, but why would a rumor that came up years ago only influence his actual behavior? And really, if you watch NCT content he's on the lower scale when it comes to fanservice. Personally even if he actually did one ignorant "joke" as a kid, I'm ok with that. Not gonna hold accountable a child raised in a highly conservative society like i would with an adult.

I don't think most idols did more than 2 invasive surgeries, generally it's eyes, nose or both (i tried listing those i was sure of and there were a lot).

What is the unfortunate new, NCT Hollywood ? Taeyong sometimes does that type of fanservice when it was made part of a song's choreo, but he rarely initiate it outside of performing or off stage. Idk what you mean by TY doing it a lot lately, his latest content is working on songs and he's not one of the worst offenders in NCT. He's more like a reserved introvert, often quiet and fade into the background to not attract attention (despite being center).

The Nayeon one was funny too. I mean, if everyone here can be convinced BTS Suga, member of the most milked bg in the industry, got a jaw shave while promoting then anything is possible. Same for Felix's alleged jaw work, when and how ? Sana is really interesting since looking at her features there aren't big noticeable changes (subtle lip fillers?), but somehow something feels pretty different in comparison to Sixteen, and not only because of weight loss. Her natural nose is perfect to me.

Disagreeing with you doesn't mean you have some kind of superior knowledge and i'm "blind", tell me why you don't think I'm right rather than trying to discredit me. Especially since i personally spent some time struggling on my phone to make that post. Also it's not like whatever Suga may has done was obvious work like Karina's jaw or Namjoo's nose. And yes i can't see the difference between : Those eyes and Those eyes (cat eyes aren't gone??) or That jaw and That jaw (bone had no volume in the first place).

I don't understand why some people here think Suga had many procedures like eyes + nose + jaw, he looks mostly natural ?? Jaw : I get why Suga is confusing since he has a round chin with full cheeks from the front, but a weak jaw from his side profile. Still because someone have a weak jaw doesn't mean they automatically shaved it, you need to look at predebut pics showing the bone : Predebut 1, 2 vs BS&T, Now . Predebut ones have bad resolution but there was nothing to shave in the first place. Eyes : No difference in eyelids, corner, width and shape to me. Obvious when filming in the soop where he didn't wear makeup and contacts, his eyes were always "small" for korean beauty standards but that's his charm : Predebut 1, 2, 3. vs. Now 1, 2, 3 Nose : Maybe, if he had a nose job it would be a pretty pointless one, can't really see any notable difference or improvement, it's still as "big", low, flat and wide (again that's his charm don't misunderstand me) : Predebut 1, 2, 3, vs Now 1, 2, 3.

Cheekbones shaving doesn't make sense, his cheeks were thinner and more hollow predebut, if anything he did fillers or fat graft for a fuller/younger look.

You're right, i also think the jaw seems natural but took him as an exemple of a preferable v-line ^^

Taeyong "L" shaped jaw predebut : 1, Vs. Taeyong L line now : 1. Read again, no one ever said Taeyong never had fillers or was the most natural idol in the the industry, in fact i quoted an older comment mentioning he probably had fillers and fat grafts at some point. What some of us are disagreeing with is him having done invasive surgeries. You are wrong when you say Taeyong has a V-line, he doesn't, what he has is called a L shaped jaw which isn't ideal for korean beauty standards because it's too strong/angular. It's a good thing he didn't shave it off to have a jaw like Sungchan's. Idk what you mean by reduced space between eyelids and eyebrows, it can happens when eyebrows are drawn thicker but i don't see the big difference : 1 Vs 2 ?

Right, the word creepy have a really pejorative connotation. Taeyong's eyes already look "uncanny" on his childhood pictures so i don't think it's because of PS (unless he did them as a child). I respectfully disagree on potential eye work : eyelids, shape, width, to me no difference without makeup and editing. Body dysmorphia and eating disorders are a big problem in the industry, idols are never good enough for korean beauty standards and public scrutiny/companies keep reminding them of that. Lack of sleep, stress, busy schedules, no freedom, being exploited/objectified, "scandals", sasaeng... Aren't helping either.

Poor boy was overworked to death (Superm, NCT's main rapper/dancer, center/visual, leader, leading dance practices...), bet he didn't even have time to eat despite burning everything with intense dancing. Not surprised he had to take a small hiatus for health reasons. I think Taeyong and Baekhyun's situations are a bit different, despite both being heavily overworked. I remember Baek was heavily speculated to have some kind of body dysmorphia and eating disorder, however Taeyong never mentioned body issues or looking "fat".

Please don't say he looks creepy it's unnecessarily mean... Taeyong always had really big eyes for a korean boy, that's why it can look a bit too much with the intense eye makeup SM is often giving him + contacts + editing. However when he can show a more natural look he's the same : Predebut : 1 2 3. 4 5. 6. (Those unreal eyes on his childhood pics, lucky him) Now : 1 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7