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Which male idols do you think are gay?
Shaandenigma replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
I think the fact that this is pushed as their ship dynamic is why calling it out as harassment is so controversial and people don't know what to really make of it. It is truly bizarre that these interactions are pushed by the company (since this stuff happens in official content) and is spun as being cute like Taeil is entitled to do whatever he wants because he "loves" Winwin and finds him adorable and Winwin is denying him or is now homophobic for not wanting someone up in his personal space 24/7. It's really gross and reinforces so many toxic ideas about relationships. -
Which male idols do you think are gay?
Shaandenigma replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
I was going to stay out of this, but there are some pretty bad misconceptions about sexual harassment and consent being thrown around that need to be challenged. The first one that no one else has really addressed specifically is the idea that people can't be harassed by someone they like or get along with i.e. "Winwin says Taeil is one of his best friends so he can't really mind unwanted contact too much." Do you know how many people stay in abusive situations because they legitimately love their abuser and see positive sides to them? It's not like abusers start slapping you around on the first date and then you're trapped. People can be together for years before abuse really ramps up (though there are red flags from the beginning like not respecting personal boundaries or comfort levels when someone says they don't like something). That's part of why it is hard to even admit to the abuse or say something in the first place when it is someone you know and love and otherwise have a fulfilling relationship. Doesn't change that they are violating your boundaries and being harmful towards you. That leads to intent not overriding impact and the fact that you don't need to be aiming to sleep with someone to sexually harass them. If I, gay man, made lewd comments about co-worker's boobs as a joke all the time and they were uncomfortable, they could report me for sexual harassment despite me having 0 intent to sleep or flirt with them. Just making dirty jokes and innuendo, or comments about one's dating life can get you written up for sexual harassment even if you are just playing around. Intent matters in regards to the extent of consequences and how people would feel about the offender as a person. The last point, is that consent is not a one time thing and where you may be fine with something certain times, doesn't mean you are fine with it all the time. And that doesn't make you a tease or that you are sending mixed signals either. I don't think anyone has to condemn Taeil or project all sorts of stuff onto Winwin, but we can disagree about interpretations of things without redefining and explaining away blatant examples of a person having their explicitly stated boundaries being knowingly crossed. It just really reinforces all the ideas that make it hard for people who have been harassed or assaulted by people they know to recognize it when it happens and to even say or do something about it. -
Which male idols do you think are gay?
Shaandenigma replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
I like VAV, I only really got vibes from Ace and Baron though when I went digging through their content and just chalked up Ziu's antics to being the maknae. The video with Ghostface Skeezila is somewhat illuminating though unfortunate that they have to hang around him to gain some relevance. -
Which male idols do you think are gay?
Shaandenigma replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
My "receipts" comment was facetious and more towards the part of the post about how these idols feel about their sexualities and not the orientations. And who asked for a thesis? Literally all you have to say is what about them pinged your gaydar, you know those subtle clues you read? Using your keen observation skills? If you are so right and accurate all the time if somebody asks a simple why do you think that, you can just answer the question or not instead of getting sanctimonious about it. -
Which male idols do you think are gay?
Shaandenigma replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
Um, this thread has always had the standard of backing up claims with some sort of examples, not just hunches or vibes. It's fine to say you think some one is non-het on a hunch, but say "I don't really have anything to go on." I've done it and no one has ever said anything. There are also certain idols, like Taeyong, have popular opinions formed about them based on actual behaviors and things they said. I was one of the early people who thought Taeyong was gay when the popular opinion was that he was a straight fuckboi. But after a series of instances like the interviews cited earlier, clips of him demonstrating attraction to men, etc., more people changed their minds. Then you have other people who have full on dedicated analyses and compilations of things they said and did that support the idea of them not being straight that have been repeated ad nauseum. So when someone decides to offer up a contrary opinion for one of those people that there is a strong case for them to indeed be non-het, and all they are basing it on is a feeling, people are understandbly going to be skeptical and want to know what the idol in question has done that would go against the mountain of instances that says otherwise. -
Which male idols do you think are gay?
Shaandenigma replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
It's not unreasonable to ask how someone came to a conclusion and part of having a discussion is having an exchange of ideas which also includes disagreement. Just because I disagree and want to know how they came to form an opinion is not stopping them from having it or expressing it or that it's not okay. -
Which male idols do you think are gay?
Shaandenigma replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
What? WHAT??? How is any of this any sort of basis to jump to the conlusion that Sehun of all people is "bi and LOVING it." What are these sources, where are the receipts? -
Which male idols do you think are gay?
Shaandenigma replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
In regards to SF9 they are a hard group to get a read on but I would say Rowoon, Taeyang, and Hwiyoung are most likely to me. I thought the comments around HwiTae sharing a room in their dorm (a room so small their beds are pushed together) on this episode of Guesthouse daughters was super sus (8:56): Rowoon is someone who really pings when you watch closely. He has a legion of fanboys he gets flustered by, has some hmmm mannerisms, and stays on top of Chani in a way that seems more than a hyung just doting on the maknae of the group. If you search for their interactions, you will find A LOT of pics and stuff that are basically this (spoilering because the image is super big): I'm sharing this video for the first 10 seconds of like 5 different shots of Rowoon sniffing/kissing the back of Chani's head which is the type of stuff I'm talking about that isn't just fanservice skinship: Overall though, there isn't anything particularly damning about SF9 out there as of yet, but those 3 really ping to me and then Youngbin somewhat. -
Which male idols do you think are gay?
Shaandenigma replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
https://instagram.com/p/3K1-OXIJS4/ The caption: 'Tis all. EDIT: For those who don't know, glorypath is Ren's instagram account to which he posted a picture of he and JR and this caption from his icon, Lady Gaga's You and I. -
Which male idols do you think are gay?
Shaandenigma replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
You're welcome. For disclosure I was requested to post this video on yggdrasil's behalf. I'm not submitting this as a hard receipt: -
Which male idols do you think are gay?
Shaandenigma replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
He's popped up before, but I think he's atleast bi too. His "friendship" with Bumzu is very suspect, especially after that interview they did together about how they work and spend their time together. I'll have to find it again. EDIT: Found it Click here to view the Tweet -
Which male idols do you think are gay?
Shaandenigma replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
I don't know, I feel by the same token has Donghun done anything remotely hetero? I've never heard him say anything about a woman in real nor theoretical terms. -
Which male idols do you think are gay?
Shaandenigma replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
I think he does have an actual attraction to Jun that could likely be mutual but I don't know if it's ever been acted upon. Donghun likes to tease and playfully drag everyone especially Jun but he's also very affectionate usually right after and initiates a lot of skinship with him and they lace fingers a lot subconsciously. ACE overall is a very affectionate and close group that really likes each other, but Wowkwan and DongJun interactions in particular come off as being not strictly platonic. Wowkwan is more blatant than DongJun, but there are plenty of suspicious receipts for DongJun. The other thing about ACE is that they had been trainees at other companies together before the CEO of Beat assembled them when she left the company she worked for (probably CJ E&M) and started her own, so they had known each other for a few years prior to forming the group, at least Donghun and Jun did. So they've had time in a non-group situation to develop something if there is anything. -
Which male idols do you think are gay?
Shaandenigma replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
I definitely think Donghun is gay, he pinged me right away when I first got into them, it's his demeanor, the way he flirts a lot with Jun masked as some Tom and Jerry dynamic, his personality and interests remind me a lot of Key. He also really encourages Wowkwan's antics and when that one fan commented that he a Jun should get married he started singing "marry me" and was very into the idea. He's more subdued so gets overshadowed personality wise by everyone else, but I think if you put aside the actual couple Wowkwan, he's like the most obviously gay one to me. Chan is the least suspect one to me, I feel like he has more sus moments in UNB, but he could be anything and I wouldn't be surprised. He's very energetic and has a bright personality and really only shows that side of himself so I can never really read his interactions beyond that. Editing to add these: And this: https://twitter.com/kimchaewon_48/status/1018505702761828353 -
Which male idols do you think are gay?
Shaandenigma replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
Jun is the leader of the group and this is like all their last shot at success since they aren't that young and have each all been at other companies previous to Beat of which they are the only group, and it is BROKE. They got a lot of crap for their hot pants and like Wowkwan has a very real possibility of being an actual couple the way they act, so I understand when he tries to make things less gay, but it is not all the time, and is usually like a half-hearted attempt so to me he's never seemed uncomfortable. This may be a shippy vid but it does highlight some interactions involving Jun being pretty affectionate with Donghun especially from 3:48 on and his response to the suggestion from a fan comment saying he and Donghun should get married: Also this is a s/n: but if people were on the Discord and are curious about what happened to it you can PM me because I don't want to get into on here. But yeah, it was deleted so we didn't purge anyone off. -
Which male idols do you think are gay?
Shaandenigma replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
He did an interview thing where he mentioned that Rayoon from MVP had kissed him when they were going to bed in the dorms and he was flurstered, but he also said after the show Rayoon is one of his closest friends so I don't know the idea that he's grossed out by male on male interactions comes from when he is always affectioinate with guys all the time. -
Which male idols do you think are gay?
Shaandenigma replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
Backreading about ACE but Jun is pretty gay too (seriously there is a case for that whole group being gay) so he isn't actually grossed out. But lately they've been trying to downplay Wowkwan because those two are very obvious and the group is getting more attention now so they either up the skinship with everyone to normalize how they behave and throw in some no homo moments. But it's usually only Jun as a leader and it is usually half-hearted. -
Which male idols do you think are gay?
Shaandenigma replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
It was deleted -
Which male idols do you think are gay?
Shaandenigma replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
Just passing by to say if there are any gays who were still interested in the Discord server, you can PM me for the link. I will be more diligent in checking my PMs since I'm on here less frequently than I used to. -
Who do you think is a lesbian in kpop?
Shaandenigma replied to Pyo Hyemi's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
Hi everyone. I mostly post on the gay thread, but I'm one of the mods on the LGBT Discord server we setup and if anyone is interested in joining, here is the link: https://discord.gg/YywbEnr Just follow the directions on the Introductions channel. -
Which male idols do you think are gay?
Shaandenigma replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
Hi everyone. I'm one of the mods on the LGBT Discord server we setup and here is the link: https://discord.gg/YywbEnr Just follow the instructions on the Introductions channel. -
Which male idols do you think are gay?
Shaandenigma replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
Speaking of delusional... -
Which male idols do you think are gay?
Shaandenigma replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
Why are you still on this? That "evidence" was weak. -
Which male idols do you think are gay?
Shaandenigma replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
Yes it is...things are really getting lost in translation because that's not what I'm arguing. -
Which male idols do you think are gay?
Shaandenigma replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
The difference is that no one would post Ten and Jungwoo doing a tango as proof of either being gay because they have evidence and are widely believed to be gay on their own. The tango video was negged because of the history of those posts being posted to prove a ship. Not everything in here is "evidence" or trying to prove anything. It is a catchall gay thread.