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1 hour ago, Otterly said:
When someone says they are not gay they usually also mean they aren't bi. Most people would have it mean they are not attracted to the same sex.
True. Most would also not turn around and let out a "gravelly sigh" and say that kissing their same-sex co-star was "so amazing" and "a memory I will carry for the rest of my life."
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53 minutes ago, liya18 said:
Is it this one??
Yeah
59 minutes ago, temiiro said:Jun from A.C.E gave an interview about his bl role.
I think it's funny how he confirmed he's not gay cause he saw speculations about it and right after that he said the kiss with his co-actor was amazing and they filmed it 20 times.
Well, gay or not(I'm suprised by this a lot, I really thought he is.) he's very very supportive and nice.
https://www.teenvogue.com/story/ace-jun-talks-bl-drama-tinted-with-you-lgbtq-fans-interview
I meant to post that. Obviously he wasn't going to come out in Teen Vogue, but he did say that he was "not gay" instead of "I'm straight" so he could be bi (which as a Choice, I've always thought) or he just lied. At any rate, ACE is a very LGBT supportive group and very aware of their fanbase which is one of the most chill and lgbt-friendly fandoms.
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2 hours ago, Tixy said:
Really? It's my first time hearing about it. Just to check, this is a proper article, not some sasaeng rumor post, correct? It should have some validity in that case.
People seem to be saying that this is about 2nd gen idols. Some are posting initials under QRTs, but it's meaningless to me.
It's just a blind on a nice looking website. It also discusses like 4 different idols/groups (translations seem to use idol/group interchangably but it's discussing individual idols based on the context). It's actually a ridiculous story. Idol A and B were collabing on something, one of them sends their secret love signal to the other and the other ignores it. This sets the signaller off and they throw a fit and damage the set shocking the other members of their respective groups. Then there was a backstage fight with a lot of "passing out." Also not even a "someone close to A and B said," so there are no sources for this info. Any legit news organization will cite a source even if it is anonymous. If not, it's just a rando with a website. There aren't even any real hints other than "most popular members of their groups" and one is know for their slim figure which like, applies to the majority of male idols. So there's nothing to put stock in, but a fun fanfic idea.
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17 hours ago, vafonso19971 said:
...So why would a gay man find it weird to like this kind of homo joke?
Did you really just... you know what, nevermind.
Instead of the mental gymnastics of imagining a world where flamboyant, feminine-of-center, glass-closet cases are straight; why don't we do the inverse and recontextualize masculine idols people swear are straight, but very well could not be? As much as the thread wants to challenge gay stereotypes by disregarding flamboyance and feminine mannerisms, rarely does anyone argue that idols that lack the mannerisms--but otherwise do sus things (or don't express any attraction to women)--are anything but straight. And when they do they get dismissed and clowned. It's not like conventionally masculine bi/gay men are a rarity in the community.
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YAI has over 2 million followers on his public insta account where the posts came from and the bf in question, who was tagged in them, has over 60k. That's not "private" or flying under the radar, and that is over double the views on that YT video. What even makes that channel more credible than this forum or the ten thousand similar videos by fans on YouTube and Twitter that post "proof" that two celebs are in love and get posted here all the time? It's still someone who doesn't personally know them, making inferences off of publically available information that still leaves room for plausible deniability. I don't thinknyou should have gotten clowned for the concern, but I also don't see how this could be more damaging to his career than him being caught at a gay club and the other rumors that already float around.
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3 hours ago, gam3 bo1 said:
i think we're on the same page with that one. i've always imagined kevin going back to canada when his contract is up or whenever he chooses to quit idol life and then being open about his sexuality or love life. i don't know... i just get the vibe with how open he already is despite the fact he's never explicitly said anything concerning himself.
Yeah, he's been in Korea like 5 years already and has only gotten less cautious than he was when they first debuted. He's also too socially progressive to really thrive there long term and doesn't have anything but the group keeping him there. It'll be interesting to see how he continues to navigate his identity within the group especially as TBZ keep rising.
Now while we're on The Boyz, I have to say that while no one thinks about Jacob, as a church gay who knows and dated other church gays, he gives me major repressed church gay vibes.
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On 12/12/2021 at 3:28 PM, gam3 bo1 said:
kevin watches drag race
editing this because i have more thoughts on kevin. i've noticed that (at least i think) he's not that popular with korean fans i don't think? and now thinking back to how he recommended the show pose and specifically said it has trans representation and how open he is in general with lgbt things.. do you think one of the reasons he's less popular is because of how much of a glass closet case he is? it's also probably because he caters to the international side more but i think that's telling as they're more likely to be open minded. maybe these korean fans aren't so aware of kevin's, this probably isn't the right word but i can't think of a better word for this right now, 'behaviour'.
I think he isn't as popular with Koreans because he's very culturally Canadian and only gets promoted by Creker in things targeted at international fans and that require English (along with Jacob and Eric). He also doesn't get a lot of lines or screen time in their music so they also don't know him for his talent. Most of his glass closet behavior is very typical Western Canadian/American gay references and stuff you would really have to consume a lot of Western queer culture to pick up on. Like you would have to be into Broadway or watched Pose (or the awful Cinderella movie, lol) to know who Billy Porter is by name. Pose got critical acclaim, but it wasn’t super popular outside of the queer community and I don't know how known it is internationally. Or that the men who stan Beyonce the way he does tend to not be straight.
I get the general vibe that Kevin hasn't acclimated to Korea and will probably retire from idol life and go back to Canada once his contract is up. It just seems like he was out in Canada and went back into the closet for the opportunity, but the glass closet life will eventually get old and he'll want out. That's just my read though.
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2 hours ago, Shinki said:
I do, I myself have posted here a few times to discuss and call out ill behavior from the posters themselves, this isn't my first time confronting regulars in here and I'm used to being pointed fingers. It's cool, I'm not mad. I do think you can have a healthy discussion without hyperfocusing on an individual because you WANT, deeply NEED them to be gay to validate you. This isn't right and will never be, some behavior in this thread is exactly like that and when they're confronted that X idol (i'm NOT naming anyone) might not be gay, they lose their fucking minds. I wish we'd literally could have a better environment in here, because also there are shippers who need to validate their ships forcing their views of apparently normal relationship of people who are close as "they're dating/have feelings", which isn't right either. Are we normalizing same sex closeness or are we not? it isn't clicking. I don't mind seeing my faves being called gay or straight, literally this isn't the point. I'd rather look up to actual gay people that's out there fighting against a society still deeply homophobic rather than hyperfocus on a possibility, on people that might be queerbaiting the hell out of your poor queer ass while feeding off your money (again i am NOT mentioning names cuz this is in general). Do go and have a talk about who might or might not be, but some stuff here is toxic and wrong. Don't force a sexuality on ANYONE no mater how sure you are that X person/idol is gay.
How about you just drop the names? Call em out. Otherwise what is the point? Why be pressed and waste energy on toxic people. Choose peace of mind and happiness. The straight people falsely pegged as gay here in your eyes are okay. They will be okay. Why? First, they don't know this place exists so what anyone says about them here has zero impact on their lives unless you bring it to their attention and that's the real boundary violation. But even more, just like you can't pray the gay away, you can't force being gay on anyone either.
Yes, there are people who get too invested in strangers sex lives here. Both the ones who "need" someone to be queer and the ones who want to be martyrs for heterosexuality. Again, the straights are okay, they don't need gay crusaders to save them.
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16 hours ago, mEeEeE said:
I know it's not strong evidence, that's why I've never mentioned it before...and I didn't take it seriously. I was just mentioning a bunch of things he's done involving women, including that performance. I shouldn't have included it after saying "definitely has receipts suggesting attraction to females" my bad, I'll take it out.
Taeyong on SWF is what's made me think bi, not his performance with Seulgi at MAMA (I suppose SWF has made me look at the MAMA performance in a different light, not in a shipping way)
The chemistry is strong but it's just testament to him being a good performer right?
Yes, it is literally his job to sell a performance whatever the concept is. If the assignment is to sell a sexy concept, then he needs to make the audience feel the chemistry and sell the fantasy of that moment. It's easier to do if you are actually attracted to your partner, but it isn't a requirement. And before you go there, this also applies to all TaeTen BDS stage and promotion moments you've posted, interviews, television appearances, anything he is contractually obligated to do.
You also should stop to consider the implications saying that Taeyong could only appreciate these female performances and vote for a contestant in a show he is judging because they turned him on. That was the takeaway from those SWF clips. Or suggesting he pervs 24/7 over his co-workers/roommates from all your other posts about Taeyong and men. Is the man capable of just being a professional ever or is he controlled solely by his libido? I know that's not your intention to paint him that way, but that's how it comes off.
And it goes beyond how it makes Taeyong look, because a lot of your arguments are based on some pretty ignorant ideas about mlm and what they would and wouldn't do that reinforces some negative stereotypes while also being fetishy.
I'm only taking the time to break this down to you because I don’t think you are trying to troll and you can talk about literally anyone else normally. But the fixation on Taeyong has crossed from being eye-roll inducing annoying, to an unhealthy time-to-sever-this-parasocial-relationship level. It's not good for the thread but it's not good for you either.
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24 minutes ago, mEeEeE said:
I agree the Ren post is not strong at all, he is performing choreo .
but regardless you need to have balanced evidence on this thread to really make an accurate assumption on someone otherwise what's the point?
Taeyong definitely has receipts suggesting attraction to females
Him performing seductively with Seulgi at MAMA, his own lyrics in his personal songs "I am Apollo, You are my Venus", "You are my Marilyn Monroe", his own lyrics in BDLI "Cosplay Snow White, I'll be the hobbit, be ruder to me babe, I like it", his own lyrics in No Manners "You are Nancy and I am Sid" and famously proceeds to hump the stage in the choreo, he's done fanservice to girls in live concerts touching his crotch and all like in Dangerous Woman...but I haven't posted them here because I wasn't convinced. I thought he may have been in denial.
Recently NCT127 were playing a game where a member asks another member a question...if the member answers no then they have to do a punishment.
Taeyong asks Taeil whether he could marry his younger sister. Taeil says no
Then Taeil asks Jungwoo whether he could marry his sister. Jungwoo says yes.
Then Jungwoo though asks Doyoung whether he could marry Doyoung's brother and everyone laughs.
Jungwoo is speculated to be lgbt
The Taehyung post dancing with the women...not a very strong receipt since he's performing. I always thought he was into women in some way but I wasn't sure since I don't follow him. His love of CMBYN and queer art does make you think. Artsy straight guy or lgbt?
Girl, this "evidence" isn't balanced though. Like you can't say Ren doing a choreo with a female backup dancer on stage at a concert is weak evidence then turn around and talk about Taeyong doing a choreo with Seulgi at MAMA like they're entirely different. I think you really should step back and re-evaluate why you are so fixated on this man's sex life that your rationality goes out the window to the extreme.
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13 minutes ago, mEeEeE said:
But I want to ask, do queer guys actually like the movie or find it problematic?
If Taehyung was queer, would he find it problematic too and not rave on about it this much?Speaking as a gay guy, there are a lot of men in the community who wouldn't even blink at the age gap because their first experiences were with a guy significantly older than them. In a lot of ways, the movie premise would be nostalgic for them as they would view it through the perspective of the younger character and not view it from the angle of being an adult with a teenager. I've encountered gay men who don't have a problem with age gaps or even student-teacher relationships in LGBT media because they project themselves onto the younger character and don't even think about the older one as being problematic unless they are pursuing the younger one against their consent. It's a lot how straight men want to congratulate male victims of sexual abuse at the hands of female teachers like they were living the dream.
At any rate, I agree with @Dont mind me that the movie didn't appeal to me because I'm over coming out and coming of age stories from having seen so many prior to this movie and it not sounding any different from them. If the movie had a more novel premise I could have looked past the age difference the way I tolerated Brian and Justin/Stuart and Nathan's 12 year age gap when I watched both versions of Queer As Folk.
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39 minutes ago, Dont mind me said:
This is unfortunately the part where I think it will take a long time before any politician will these matters serious. There is no incentive for them to change, the korean way of life has made the country rich and productive in the workplace. Most don't see the societal issues of minorities as a problem, because they have bigger fish to fry.
Hallyu wave came into existence because they wanted to increase the value of Korea and bring pride to their culture and products and therefore increase their overal GDP. From a geopolitical point of view, SK doesn't want to lose face, that is why reports on child/women abuse are under reported and why LGBTQ activst have a hard time getting through to the general public. Because the government is actively trying to make sure those voices aren't heard.
I know SK will eventually get their shit together, but don't count on it being in this century.
Spoilering because it's just more on the geopolitical argument.
SpoilerThere's also no external incentive for "progressive" Western countries to exert any real pressure (i.e. stop doing all business with them) to become more progressive, not when they are a strong ally against China and provide a foothold in that sphere of influence. So yeah, the change really does need to come from within and you can't influence that by shaming as a cultural outsider. It would be better to signal boost the efforts that are underway there instead of diminishing them as if they are non-existent and totally ineffectual or acting as if the West has gotten their shit totally together and isn't at risk of backsliding.
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4 hours ago, vafonso19971 said:
This interviews took place in september 2018,and what I find strange is that the word "normal" would be said by prejudiced people, and we know that Ren the last thing he would be is to be a homophobic person, participating in LGBT musicals,Lady Gaga fanboy, being friends with Jo Kwon and people with LGBT rumors, etc... if he is straight wouldn't it be easier and simple for him to just say "I'm straight"?
Androgeny is more about gender expression than sexuality though they get conflated together as gender expression can be a way of signaling your sexuality but they don't always move in the same direction and there is prejudice even within the gay community against gender non-conforming and trans individuals. Cis members of the LGB part of the community notoriously threw trans people under the bus and out of the movement to advance marriage equality in the west for example, and some still play into the respectability politics of "we're just like straight people in every way except what we do in the bedroom and not like those 'freaks taking it too far' by changing their gender" as a means of gaining acceptance. I've had people tell me to my face that they were cool with me being gay because I "still act like a man" (whatever the fuck that means), and there's a lot of femmephobia in the gay male community too. So "normal" doesn't have to translate to "I'm straight" but could mean "I'm gay but not like those gays." I think this is something that often gets overlooked in the thread, that gay people can also hold problematic views about others in the community while identifying with it.
I don't think any of that applies to Ren because in the 3 years since that interview he's actively gone after roles playing non-gender conforming lead roles, has stated in interviews how much he worked to do them justice, and has pretty consistently made statements that sought to normalize freer gender expressions even before. Even right after making the "normal" comment, he goes on to tell the interviewer that JR has been working out and that he was personally looking foward to seeing the results while grinning. Like...odd thing to do if you just said you were "totally straight" 30 seconds ago. Also, he didn't specify what misconceptions people made about his personality that were inaccurate. He probably was trying to say "I'm not a perverted deviant, I'm just an average person" because there isn't anything "abnormal" or wrong about having long hair, being effeminate, and/or not straight.
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3 hours ago, vafonso19971 said:
I just have a question about Ren, I don't know if you've watched this Vlive with Ren: https://www.vlive.tv/video/86443/playlist/81320
And at 6:50 minutes when the question is about an appearance that is actually different,Ren says he's completely straight...But I put in Korean subtitles and the word "normal" appears, and I asked a Korean friend and she also told me that Ren speaks the word normal
Did you get to look at this video? do you think it might be a translation error or something?
Well, I don't know Korean nor do I know Ren personally, so I can only offer my limited, personal interpretation based on what I know about Ren which is the same as any other fan. Just from how the subtitles leading up to that point read, I'd say it was like what mari said and that translator was making their own inference and bias on what "normal" means in the context of Ren's past androgynous image. The translation is a little too adamant for no reason when Ren has never reacted that way even when he was actually being pressed on his gender expression, so it comes of to me like that fan wanted to have a "see, he said he was straight so shut up about him being gay" receipt for fans who don't know Korean to question the validity of that translation.
But even if that's what he meant to get across, it's something I expect to see from an idol who has graduated from nugudom and has gay rumors/speculation. It takes next to no effort to make an off hand, heteronormative comment that fans who are invested in seeing you as straight will lap up without you ever having to demonstrate it by actually dating someone of the opposite sex. I see this more as closet maintenance and code-switching than anything. If he was really trying to shut down any speculation around his sexuality, he probably wouldn't cultivate close friendships with other celebs with gay rumors and take the musical roles he has.
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4 hours ago, Kpop_fan178 said:
If he is indeed a homophobe, that's sad. I just wanted to point out that i know gay people who are ""friendly" with homophobes which are making very bad jokes about them or badmouthing them when they are not around or voting for political people who are saying vile things about lgbt people. I don't think that's enough to say he isn't homophobic. He lived with Ren for years, ofc they would make a big effort to get along.
There are also gay people who support homophobic agendas, see Aaron Schock. All I was saying, as a 30 year old gay man who closely followed that group for a period of time, is that that one clip stacked up to hundreds of other interactions he's had with the same people isn't going to convince me that he's homophobic alone. I don't know why that's controversial.
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1 hour ago, vafonso19971 said:
I think you're wrong about Baekho, I don't think anything but straight for him, proof of that is in this video at 7:30 minutes, where Ren takes JR's hand in shock and after Ren asks why, Baekho says "It's disgusting"
By the way, he was very homophobic this time!
You can can disagree with my read on Baekho as being bi but calling him homophobic based on a sarcastic comment is a stretch. He regularly pokes fun at their relationship and makes sarcastic interjections but not in a malicious way. It's like when people say that a couple is so loved up and gushy it makes them "sick," but not literally. Do you think Ren of all people would be close to him if he was really a raging homophobe?
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2 hours ago, mEeEeE said:
Honestly just looks like he's awkwardly watching Taeil and Doyoung fight over a chair and wondering why. I'm a pioneering Gayong truther, but every reaction the man has to another man is not an indicator of him popping a woody for them.
I just want to see your rep go up because I think you mean well but the gifs and edited video clips taken out of context and reframed in a reductive manner are not it.
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1 hour ago, Kpop_fan178 said:
Why do you think Baekho isn't straight?
It's really just a vibe I get driven mostly by his relationship with Bumzu being a little sus and his actual personality not lining up with his image. On the Bumzu front, it's not just the amount of time they spend together--which makes sense as a working relationship--but also how they talk about each other. They did this interview a couple years ago for Dispatch about their producer partnership and there were some eyebrow raising answers, especially at the end, that people would read differently if they weren't two conventionally masculine looking guys. https://www.vlive.tv/post/0-18361147. They remind me of a lot of straight-passing gay/bi guys I know.
He also has subtle behaviors and manners that subvert expectations of how you think he would act based on a surface glance. This segment for instance I think illustrates the dichotomy well. It's also fucking hilarious and worth watching in its entirety if you need a good laugh.
I'm not saying that his reaction to the roller coaster in and of itself says anything about his sexuality, but it's interesting that his primal reaction is on par with Ren's when they seem to be complete opposites personality-wise at first glance. There are some other frivolous things that wouldn't register to me if not for the above two circumstances, like him wanting to be a princess when he was younger, off hand remarks over the years, JR competing with him for Ren's affection in the early days, some Wonho-esque (read Grindr) thirst trap selfies.
It's hard to explain because there's nothing concrete like what you get with Ren, most of his activities outside of Nu'est are related to producing for other groups and that's all behind the scenes, and he's pretty private and lowkey. And as much as people want to crow about not basing speculations on stereotypes of effeminate man=gay, rarely does anyone ever argue that someone conventionally masculine isn't straight or that their masculinity is a performance for their fans, so I think his appearance keeps him from being scrutinized to the extent that he would if he were a twink with a suspiciously close male friend or were suspiciously close to a twink instead of another straight-passing looking dude.
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17 hours ago, vafonso19971 said:
Are your opinion about Nu'est still the same?
Yeah, pretty much. Ren is pretty obvious, then the more controversial opinions would be JR and Baekho not being straight. I don’t have much of an opinion on Minhyun because he could be anything and I wouldn't be surprised. Aron is straight.
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15 hours ago, mEeEeE said:
What is this “overly angsty paper scroll message from Taeyong to Jaehyun” !?!? This is news to me.
It was from 127's first anniversary fan event. Each member wrote messages to all the others in "rolling papers." Under the spoiler are the translations Taeyong's messages to each member. I don't really hold onto receipts anymore so I had to dig around to find this again since a lot of the tweets about them have either been deleted or are by shippers who only show the messages exchanged by their ship and I think it's better to lay them all out so you see why I would say Taeyong's to Jaehyun was "overly angsty."
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Everyone else's reads as one would expect for this sort of thing at a fan event, then you get to Jaehyun's and it's like "the thoughts of being close to you turned into poison." It's so overwrought that I thought some shipper just made that message up, but other translations read along the same lines and use the word "poison" too. This is also happening during the period that they were fronting like they weren't close by ignoring each other on camera, but still chummy off camera. For comparison, you can see Jaehyun's messages to the members:
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There isn't a real noticeable difference between what he writes to Taeyong compared to the others and he generally doesn't have a way with words or says much of anything that isn't on brand for him. Make of these what you will but I think the dichotomy reinforces the general dynamic between them where Taeyong always does the most in their interactions whereas Jaehyun is very understated or even ambivalent.
Going back to TaeTen, again I can buy into Ten having a crush on Taeyong in the SMRookie into 7th Sense days, but I don't think it was reciprocated at that point. I think their relationship evolved thanks to them separately claiming Johnny as a best friend, being promoted as a duo for BDS, and probably some personal growth on Taeyong's part as he isn't the same person he was when they first debuted. I don't think it ever evolved into them hooking up and I honestly don't see any sexual tension between them. And I feel this way mostly because of Ten and how his open, friendly personality allows him to have chemistry with just about anyone and inevitably be shipped with them. He behaves similarly with a lot of different people and often the arguments about one ship being real versus another comes down to the bias of the person making the argument. Like one could make a more compelling case for JohnTen since SM is loathe to let those two do anything together despite them being very good friends who can play off each other well and are popular with fans. But most see Johnny as straight so it's a non-starter, whereas Taeyong and Ten are both considered most likely to be gay making it easier to make the leap that sex is always on the table for them. As if two gay men can't be friends without having hooked up first or at least thinking about it
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6 minutes ago, Hanatan said:
please show me exactly where i was 'pressed' ?? it was a comment meant to be funny and if you felt triggered by it you should have likewise ignored it and minded your business.
I ignored the first post. If you scrolled back at I quoted your second one where you clearly were feeling some type away about strangers--by your own admission that you don't know and have no investment in--having their relationships invalidated by other complete strangers on a site said celebs don't even know exists or put any stock in. Nevermind that literally no one was doing that at the time you decided to pop in, so I just asked why you felt the need to insert and stir the pot. You did succeed in being funny though. Now I'll go back to minding my business and the thread can resume its regularly scheduled programming.
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8 minutes ago, Hanatan said:
i don't know any of these people lives and i never will so i prefer to not speculate on whatever they are living a lie and just believe them when they say they are in a relationship/marriage and wish them happiness and i think you should do the same instead of throwing speculations and invalidating people's relationships based on 2d gifs you see on twitter.
So why come into a speculation thread on a fluff site and be pressed when you could be happy continuing to mind your own business?
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1 hour ago, najaemin said:
I'm so confident that i'm willing to bet money that taeten had some type of thing. Hooking up within a group, esp if there's alcohol involved won't be super surprising.
jaehyun and taeyong has been obviously pushed by SM, and at one point, super earlier on, taeten was too but I guess SM dropped that to focus on jaeyong.
I'm interested to hear how Jaeyong gets pushed by SM moreso than TaeTen. Other than this one SMRookies setup where Ten looks like he possibly could have had a crush on Taeyong, I have never seen any tension or interest that would suggest that they could be potentially more than friends. And these two would not need alcohol involved to casually hook-up if they wanted to, that part is a bit fanfic-y.
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4 minutes ago, RedVelvetCake said:
It wasn't opinion...
Care to explain how you know it wasn’t? Did you fact check it? Like....
I also find it interesting how with TXT in particular, people think these are straight guys "fooling" people into thinking they are gay to.... what end exactly? Also interesting that people think gays are either too virtuous or not savvy enough to exploit their identity to their advantage if that's all it takes to rocket to the top. Idk, that mindset lowkey grinds my gears.
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Which male idols do you think are gay?
in Celebrity News & Gossip
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In both of these comments, he was clearly refuting the prejudicial bullshit people spew about non-straight, gender non-conforming people as being freaks and deviants. He's saying that the way he dresses or presents himself doesn't mean he has a bad character or that he's abnormal and that he wishes people would be more open-minded and accepting of people who are different. Nothing about that answer reads like he's saying: "I hope people don't think I'm gay." Honestly, your hang up on this misinterpretation says a lot more about your attitudes on LGBT people than it does his.