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Which male idols do you think are gay?
Shaandenigma replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
It's a gay drought. Most idols who provide the good receipts are not providing anything new that sparks a discussion/analysis that hasn't already been done several times over. And the newer idols don't have much of anything besides shippy moments since a lot seem heavily restricted in their ability to post or do anything not officially sanctioned by their companies (like posting on their personal SNS accounts). I'm sure things will pick up when the final quarter comebacks and promotions start for some different groups. -
Which male idols do you think are gay?
Shaandenigma replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
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Which male idols do you think are gay?
Shaandenigma replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
No you did not try to offer some armchair psychoanalysis on something you clearly know nothing about. -
Which male idols do you think are gay?
Shaandenigma replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
Truly, those terms all originated in academia. And what terms someone wants to use to make sense of their own identity and to seek out others with similar experiences really has no impact on anybody else. If you don't identify with them, don't use them. -
Which male idols do you think are gay?
Shaandenigma replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
People love to say he has a wife, but can't produce a name let alone actual receipts. So, no. Yes this is his second collab with Trophy Cat, so I guess this is a serious pursuit or side hustle. -
Which male idols do you think are gay?
Shaandenigma replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
Y'all I'm officially DONE with these two. -
Which male idols do you think are gay?
Shaandenigma replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
I'm starting to get embarrassed for him. He even got Ren like "bro stop, reel it in." He is so smooth, got his man just sipping out the same drink like it's nothing. Baejin seems sorta oblivious to Daewhi's crush. Being out of the competition is finally letting me get a good read on Jihoon and he really pings me now. He's less reserved now that he knows that Mnet loves the fanservice/over-the-top skinship, but he's still trying not to do too much and tries to keep he and Guanlin's dynamic very lowkey. -
Which male idols do you think are gay?
Shaandenigma replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
Sexuality is much too complex to fall into just three simplified categories, so people come up with other terms that take other variables into account. A lot more recent sexuality studies and scales look at multiple variables like romantic orientation vs. sexual attraction because previous scales (like Kinsey) were no longer adequate. The word may sound dumb, but the sentiment behind it isn't. There are people who think pansexual and demisexual sound stupid too. -
Which male idols do you think are gay?
Shaandenigma replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
It was a joke boo, calm down. -
Which male idols do you think are gay?
Shaandenigma replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
...Can we please not start a top vs. bottom debate? Probably verse anyway. -
Which male idols do you think are gay?
Shaandenigma replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
Well even average non-celebrities in more accepting cultures do that, so I'm sure a lot of idols do end up putting up a front or staying "single" forever. Some idols have been speculated as possibly going that route based on their background. It's really personal and complicated because there are a lot of factors to consider (their families, careers, if they would stay in Korea or move abroad, etc.). But it'll be interesting to see as the 2nd gen idols start to marry and transition out of idol life, what'll happen. The possibly queer idols are a lot bolder in showing support and embracing the idea, and this current generation even more so, so while I don't know if legal same sex marriage would be an option, there might be more "glass closet" relationships. -
Which male idols do you think are gay?
Shaandenigma replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
Did you not notice the lesbian thread that is pinned right at the top of the celebrity gossip & news section just like this one. It's over 1000 pages so I wouldn't say no one seems to care. Most of what we analyze here is stuff the idols have said and done publically, so how is their privacy being invaded? And even the stuff where they are unaware, like those backstage pics of Jimin and Taemin, isn't damning. We can talk when someone is posting a sex tape or has hacked their phones and posting clearly private messages that would actually cross the line into outing them. This is a SPECULATION thread on a random internet forum that carries no authority and isn't anymore damaging than fanfiction. Most who post here are queer-affirming too so how is anyone being dehumanized? -
Which male idols do you think are gay?
Shaandenigma replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
yes, he's very elusive and enigmatic. He's so private, I sometimes find it off putting. I didn't even know he and Jimin were friendly like that. If Wanna Go is any indication of what dorm life was like on PD101, plus the pretty high number of non-straight/heteroflexible/open-minded trainees, seems like the perfect environment for one such situation. Spoilering the next bit because I'm probably going to sound delulu shipper AF, BUT: -
Which male idols do you think are gay?
Shaandenigma replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
We all know that women are to gay men what sunlight is to vampires. -
Which male idols do you think are gay?
Shaandenigma replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
Of course bisexuals exist, lol; I usually just try to stick to "has same-sex attraction" but that's wordy and I get lazy and use gay as a short hand. I also don't like to suggest someone is bi/pan when I'm unsure about them, because that always seems like the default go to when some on here can't get a good read and it's like they're hedging their bets that way. It's also hard to try to discern because of heteronormativity and the ever present incentive for idols to perform it on some level to maintain their careers. Despite the reality of fan service, going out of your way to make a point about your interest in the same sex is just going to carry much more weight because the potential long-term costs outweigh the short-term benefit getting fans riled up gives. So when I say I think someone is suspect or I'm unsure, I mean that I haven't seen or heard anything to make any kind of guess. And even when I do, I accept that I can very well be wrong, and that's fine because I don't know these people and it's not like I'm going to be dating them anyway soooo... But that's really what I read NCT as based on what I've observed first hand, but while I follow them, I don't watch or see EVERYTHING they say or do so these opinions can change. I think Jaehyun is gay mainly because he has demonstrated some real interest in other guys, his general mannerisms, and because I haven't seen much that shows him really interested in women. I'd ask for some examples for him, but the last time someone tried to prove someone's attraction to the opposite sex here, it went south really fast. -
Which male idols do you think are gay?
Shaandenigma replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
Yesterday I discovered A.C.E. subs and was watching for like hours and noticed Donghun is always feeling up somebody's legs (not that I blame him, because I'd STAY on those thighs), no matter who it is, so I then started to think the official order was just coincidental. They also will post and tweet things themselves on the official accounts, and were the ones who decided on the hot pants look, so it seems they have a lot of input on their image. Gay: Ten, Taeyong, Jaehyun, Winwin Suspect: Johnny, Yuta, Mark, Haechan Straight: Taeil, Doyoung Eh, he was in 4th grade. I "liked" girls then too and even asked one out because that was just what you were supposed to do. -
Which male idols do you think are gay?
Shaandenigma replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
The only thing that comes up when you search "eric nam marriage" is his stint on WGM with Solar from Mamamoo. -
Which male idols do you think are gay?
Shaandenigma replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
Here let me assist (take note @ 1:39): Since they're new, there isn't a lot outside of their performance videos to do a real analysis. i'm not really surprised that their company would be shipping them; in every public appearance they make, they are lined up in the same order and those two are always next to each other (and usually touching). They also have Donghun between Chan and Jun (Dongchan and Dongjun are the other prominent ships). -
Which male idols do you think are gay?
Shaandenigma replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
Are you talking about Bumzu? He's a producer, not a model and I don't think they are actually together. But Baekho has had plenty of low-key moments that I wouldn't be surprised at all if he was bisexual. There isn't anyone in that group I would say is 100% hetero, but my ranking of them from "definitely GAY" to "maybe hetero, maybe" is: Ren, JR, Aron, Baekho, Minhyun with the last three being really close in the "could go either way" territory. -
Which male idols do you think are gay?
Shaandenigma replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
He's a member of Hotshot and was on Produce 101 this last season. -
Which male idols do you think are gay?
Shaandenigma replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
Spoilering my response to your first point because this is getting OT: My second paragraph wasn't directly at you but more towards the idea that has been expressed a lot on this thread that if someone were really gay, they would be hiding in fear of being outed and would avoid saying or doing anything that could be interpreted as gay. I only find the jump to excessive skinship suspect with Western-born idols (particularly Americans) because you can barely hug your other guy friends without someone shouting "GAY," but that also depends on how long they were trainees before hand or what their personalities were like before. We don't always see the very beginning of their assimilation process so it is hard to know. -
Which male idols do you think are gay?
Shaandenigma replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
I only watch the lives where they are wearing the hot pants, sorry not sorry Came for the thighs, stayed for the talent. -
Which male idols do you think are gay?
Shaandenigma replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
Does anyone follow A.C.E. aka "the Princes of Thighland" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjoorb2o9Nk Any thoughts? Wow and Jason are kinda questionable together and Donghun sorta pings at first glance. Whoever styles them needs a raise because they know what they're doing with those hot pants. -
Which male idols do you think are gay?
Shaandenigma replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
You brought up a lot of good points but I just wanted to kinda counter some things. One, the sample of people that get discussed a lot here aren't a good representative sample of the overall Korean population and aren't even representative of the total idol population. For one, the sample of all idols is non-random. Most idols enter their companies through auditioning, so there's self-selection bias (and as you noted, idol culture is different from general Korean culture). And even those who are street casted, aren't picked totally at random, the biases and criteria of the casting director are influencing who they are picking out of the crowd. Then note that not everyone who manages to become a trainee in a company goes on to debut, a decision that is again made by the companies. So already not representative, let alone there are a bunch of male idols who aren't even talked about or analyzed in this thread. So while many would agree that it isn't that likely to have a bunch of groups have like 80+% of their members be gay, we also can't apply general trends to an already skewed sample and tell people they're being unrealistic from a statistical standpoint. Sorry to be so pedantic on that point. I also don't get why people think gay idols would never even look at someone of the same sex, lest they out themselves, when KPop fans have the gift of rationalizing and explaining away some of the most overtly gay behavior. So why take on the added stress of scrutinizing your every move and interaction with the same sex when no one will believe or jump to the conclusion that you're gay any way? I think idols are pretty adept and saavy enough to know how to exploit that to their advantage. edit: Hate when I make typos while dropping knowledge. I have a bachelor's degree I swear! -
Which male idols do you think are gay?
Shaandenigma replied to cold soba's topic in Celebrity News & Gossip
The weekend I'm away with no internet access and this thread comes to life with a lot of good discussion. Yeah, just because he isn't openly thirsting over anyone doesn't mean he's totally disinterested in sex, or isn't acting on a sexual attaction either. Likewise, being really physical and engaging in suggestive/flirty banter doesn't always mean youare attracted to the person it is directed to (which I feel about a lot of the interactions Jaehyun has, like him and Ten in Chiang Mai had no sexual tension even though they were rolling around in a bed together). Taeyong's general desire for love and affection was brought up and I agree that he does cherish and value friendship because it's clear he didn't have many friends growing up. But the way he talks about that desire at times reminds me of when I was younger and didn't quite know how to process and articulate my romantic interest in other guys because I didn't really get what it meant to be sexually attracted to someone. I was always more interested in paid attention to other guys growing up and wanted to have these really close and intimate "friendships," with guys I liked. Taeyong's paper roll message to Jaehyun really reminded me of that thought process because he seemed really upset that he somehow couldn't "understand" him enough to be "close" to him and it was all a little too intense and complicated to describe a friendship. His lyrics also focus a lot on him being like an outsider and different from the norm, and he's been articulating it in more nuanced/less vague ways. I think he's still figuring himself out and growing into himself, so he's a interesting one to watch. I definitely think Jaehyun is gay, but he plays around a lot so it's hard to tell what's genuine attraction or not on his end. He does enjoy flustering and getting attention from other men though. I don't think SM cares what their idols do as long as it doesn't affect their bottom line, and even then, they have enough influence and saavy to make those issues go away. So I don't see why they wouldn't let certain people not room with each other regardless of their sexualities. I don't think Johnny is gay either, he just doesn't care what people think and has an open mind about different things.