swimgood

 

I'm not on about oppression and the OP never even gave a reason except 'lol'. I'm on about someone using a forum to say 'I hate whites', which let's flip it on its head and make it 'I hate gays', 'I hate blacks', 'I hate Asians'. See how abhorrent and unpalatable it all sounds?

If we're going to subscribe to the 'love is love' idea then 'hate is hate', and no hate is acceptable. You can't cherry pick which bits of the hatred manual you want to leave out when statements like the OP's are aimed at many people who don't have a bad bone in their body. Much less oppress anyone.

Anyway, OT but there it is. I can't add to this but I stand by it and it can be down voted to eternity, I don't care. No hatred on forums is healthy imo. I hope we are and can further get back to the regular discussion.

 

do you also believe in the usage of the term "all lives matter" when black people are the ones killed at alarming rates by the hands of law enforcement? do you not think that poc have the right to hate their oppressors?

 

 

anyway, to be on topic: doyoung is bi

thoughts on pristin roa?

 

pings me as bi, but my favourite story is when this "insider" came in the thread maybe a year ago & said that minkyung identifies as straight but makes out with girls when she's drunk... lol

dfjsgbfd that's amber?? 

 

yeah, she had the same username on like every website in 2008 (sounds familiar given recent events  )

i know about the soompi account but i had no idea she was on soshified too. such a jessica fan lol i wonder if krystal ever found out.

 

ah, i may have gotten confused which site she had posted about what on! but there was also some iconic gay stuff on her soshified, such as my personal fave: 

soo... amber had a soshfied account? and shipped yulsic?

 

yes, i don't have the screenshots rn but she also posted about being "gay for taeyeon" & how hard she fangirled over meeting her  there are other things i can't remember off the top of my head

 

Can you dm me the army discord?

 

 

 

 

For everyone who is not part of this thread normally, and is coming in from outside to look at how broken this is, just know that so many posts have been deleted, so things may be out of context. 

 

+1

see, this is a time where you can actually use context as an explanation   certain m*ds take notes

 

i love being a lesbian & knowing the person who's an administrator on a forum i belong to claims to be SO woke & accepting of gay people when he literally fantasizes about corrective rape. it's "all good" to be a lesbian as long as you let men into your sex life! forget what lesbianism even is or means, this guy knows it all!

 

you make me fucking SICK. 

i feel like we have a right to know about our admin talking about “turning†girls into lesbians and sexualizing them

 

 

corrective rape fantasies from a site admin, love it! not sickening at all!

 

someone burn this god damn site to the ground

 

I'm 100% for protecting minors but lets not pretend like that is what this was about.

 

 

now that you've explained what you did, i will explain what you should have done:

 

not called people in that thread creepy, insinuating certain things about the nature of the discussions in that thread (especially when you admit to already having a predisposed bias), not typed out a long inflammatory rant creating even more of an issue where there shouldnt have been one, and not typed out this long non-apology.

 

i am sincerely disappointed in the mods that are handling this, as it seems like there is no incentive to be anything but defensive.

 

i've had my problems with the mods in the past, but i've always defended this team because i understand how difficult it is to moderate a forum as large, active, and messy as this one is. but the way the mods team members are handling this current affair is embarrassing at best, down right laughable at worst.

 

every step of the way it seems like there have been measures taken to silence anyone that suffered offense and hurt due to your words. long rants, locking threads, outright ignoring users, deleting comments, and temporarily banning people? just from an objective standpoint, how do you think this makes the mod team look? how do you think this makes OHers feel? do you care?

 

i am not here to sling accusations at anyone, but going off of what you said, the words you typed, you were in the wrong. 

 

yet even for the sake of taking a step forward in the right direction and creating a space where this issue can actually be discussed, it's impossible for you and @Pirine to genuinely apologize. your posts are passive-aggressive, soft, and not even actually touching on the matter at hand.

 

you seem to care a lot about being labelled a homophobe, but you know what is even more awful? being subject to homophobia in a space you are told is safe and accepting. and that's what is happening here. DarkChao, i dont think you understand the general vitriol frequent users of that thread have been subjected to just because they post there. i've been posting on OH for 5+ years now, i see how that thread is often handled like a 'dirty little secret'. your actions (as well as the actions of all the mods involved) just adds to that narrative.

 

i genuinely implore you to re-read your post to understand why people are upset. you come off dismissive and belligerent.

 

ps: it's ironic that you call the gay thread posters creepy for their speculations, yet as a former OP & frequent visitor/poster, i can confidently say that thread is one of the best self-regulated threads on this site. if there was a minor being sexualized, it would be shut down immediately. that thread doesn't even like discussing ships, for chrissakes.

 

ps [2]: my question regarding discussing the plastic surgery of minors still hasn't been answered. plastic surgery is a very intimate matter, would you also write a long rant decrying the creepiness of anyone speculating that?

 

tl;dr: this is being handled awfully. everyone else wants to move forward, yet you are stuck like a bull in the road. step back and apologize genuinely so that everyone involved can move towards a better forum.

 

 

this is a really eloquent breakdown, thank you

the sad thing is that we ARE open to apologies, we're open to being proven wrong about your regret of how the situation was handled, but so far pineapple is the only mod/admin who has shown genuine remorse for what happened. the rest of you have tried to place yourselves, the people with power, as victims talking to a "brick wall" and used boring excuses without addressing the actual issues. grow the fuck up. take responsibility.

Let me begin by saying this so everyone has a better idea of why I reacted the way I did:

 

Even if I'm not the Head Mod anymore, I absolutely hate when mods are attacked and called things that they aren't. As someone who has been with this site since it was founded, went from JM to mod to head mod and now admin, I know hard it is to please people and try to find a balance among such a diverse range of people from all ages and walks of life. When the mods are attacked I see red. I'm also extremely sarcastic, so you've probably seen my remarks by that one person posting my PM replies everywhere out of context.

 

For a few days Pirine was being attacked and called a homophobe, intolerant, etc. As far as I'm concerned none of these people calling her these things know her in person, so I'm not sure where they get these ideas from, but it annoyed me (us) tremendously. She already explained why she did what she did and how it began so I'm not going to repeat all of that, its in the OP.

 

Normally these things die down after a few days but there was a very vocal minority of people who wouldn't stop asking and antagonizing her, and eventually us (the admins) for an answer to her behavior and the behavior of the mods in general. A certain person who contacted us was given an answer by an admin, but they weren't content with it. At this point I was fed up and I formulated a post that in hindsight was definitely not done correctly, and after reading it I can see why some interpreted as homophobic or anti-gay.

 

Let me begin again by saying this, you can be as gay as you want, you'll find no problems with me. We'll go out for a drink, dinner, whatever. I'm from South Florida, that should say a lot. Of course, none of this means I can't be homophobic I get that, none of you really know me aside from (now) this super intolerant admin whose "true color"s have come out, but the idea is laughable to me given my circle of friends, the staff that we have, etc. In my mind I know what and who I am. I know the mod team, I know we have no such people in the team. Hence why it also hurts me when people start attacking them and calling them things they aren't.

 

At this point nothing we say will please 100% of everyone reading this. As I was reading up on the threads that were made, all the new posts in the gay thread, the AAM, the PM's, its clear there are many things that people have bandwagoned on now to believe true. Its impossible to dissect all of it, but the core of it is that many of you now assume I (we) are homophobic, and that I threw dog whistles in there, among other things. It wasn't my intention for my post to be interpreted that way, in my mind what I said sounded pretty straight to the point, we all talked about it collectively and didn't want minors being discussed, it seemed pretty simple to me.

 

But I see now that this has led to a bigger issue involving minors in general that we didn't anticipate. If I genuinely offended anyone I want to apologize, I know the LGBT community to this day is marginalized in many aspects of modern society, I can see that an authority figure going off can definitely come off as intolerant and reminiscent of certain governments imposing restrictions and turning back in time the advancements accomplished. Again, it wasn't meant to be interpreted that way and I realize now after reading my post over a few times that it def could be interpreted as anti-gay and homophobic.

 

So, what's done is done. Those of you who have formulated your own ideas and will stick with it, I'm sorry I can't change your mind. Those who knew what I was going for, thank you for seeing it the way it was intended but also for pointing out my mistakes in it. For sure could have been formulated better on my part, but my point was in there. Now, what I also want everyone to understand was that this was a decision done by all of us, admins and mods alike. To what extent we will take this issue of minors on the forum is TBD. But we will let you all know very soon.

 

i don't have the time or energy to break down how insincere this apology is, but honestly, how many times can we say "sorry you were offended" isn't an actual apology before people actually get their heads out of their martyr complexes

for those of you who weren't there when this went down & are saying that we're looking for fights, lol.

 

the post that started this all:

 

 

proof of it remaining up:

 

 

this post, equating people on the gay thread to being pedophiles (also: they weren't even discussing minors in the first place, but an 18 & 19 y/o) was left up for HOURS (these times all in EST) after the thread was "cleaned up," aka defensive posts—a lot of which from lgbt minors defending their rights & experiences—were deleted en masse. that has not been addressed or apologized for, even though multiple users repeatedly brought it to the mods' attention. this is NOT something we're exaggerating, this is intentional manipulation. idk what else to say.

I want someone to help me understand, what is this urge some of you have to constantly brush under the rug valid concerns of the MAJORITY of onehallyu & act like we're "misconstruing" a statement that aligned lgbt people with pedophiles?

 

mocking aside, this is a non-apology. saying "sorry you guys are offended" doesn't acknowledge the harms of this decision that we all know is almost impossible to enforce site-wide. ban the men who talk about underage female idols. close the bar. there are many ways to ACTUALLY decrease the sexualization of minors on this website, and this isn't one of them, because no one is doing that on the thread anyway.

Big fuck you to the mods, thanks for showing your ever-dormant homphobia. Go choke.

 

 

Is the discord still active? If so, can I get an invite?

 

 

 

 

Sorry, I'm telling you now not to get your hopes up. She may be bi but unless the dudes she's secretly dated were all beards she prefers boys and deffo ain't lesbian.

 

i mean i never really thought she was a lesbian, i always just thought that she seemed to have some discomfort with her self identity that's often aligned with non-heterosexuality, like how the members always commented on how she was more forthcoming/affectionate in private. plus people constantly misinterpret her comments about not liking her girl crush concept, she does actually have a strong tomboy side (which doesn't mean anything necessarily wrt sexuality but since people always bring it up as obvious proof that she must be straight since she didn't like jyp controlling her entire image  )

 

Welcome back! I missed staring at your cute-ass avatar ;-;

 

ANYWAY, Sunmi on tour is WILD! God, my gay heart! 

 

 

 

also wrt: red velvet, yeri is definitely bi imo

sup i haven't been on this website in ages but what do we think abt jeongyeon nowadays bc i can't tell how delulu i am for hanging onto the idea that she might be into ladiez

Nope it's perfectly fine. I know it sucks to get so many downvotes when you just want a decent discussion with people.

No wonder most of them don't reply. Snakes in the grass I believe?

(I'm definitely going to get down voted for this lmao)

honey i didn't reply because obviously you've made up your mind and i've made up mine and i have no mental energy left to entertain this blatant trolling, thanks

i agree but wasn’t there a wtp when she accidently mentioned she dated a man? that’s what stops me from thinking she’s fully gay

it wasn't that she dated a man, it was that she had pics of a guy's butt on her phone–which she said was for fitspo purposes. and maybe she is into men. i don't think she is, but it's possible. but even if that's true it wouldn't negate her being attracted to women, which she more likely than not is

you guys have got to be kidding lol. look at the lyrics of borders and tell me what it could possibly be about if not reconciling your sexuality with your religion. look at the lyrics of closed doors and tell me it's not about being closeted in a relationship. amber has spoken a LOT recently about her past relationships, particularly around when she released rogue rouge, so it's not like she isn't dating anyone–and the people she's been dating are women. i'm on mobile at work right now so i can't link particular videos or articles but she did a whole interview about how rogue rouge was about pride, pretending to be an ally while also dodging pronouns or any kind of gendered identifiers when discussing her partners–incredibly obviously, i may add, as there was one point where she labeled her future partner using gender neutral language that came across as quite awkward–which is what happens when english isn't build around the same gendered ambiguity as other languages. she PURPOSEFULLY chose to speak like that as to not out herself. in a pretty recent WTP with emily ghoul and kirsten, she said her last relationship ended just a few months ago. she's actively dating, and i'd bet my life it's with women. i'm honestly blown away by this denial of what's right in front of our noses.

 

jun is far more likely to be gay/bi than a homophobe lol. even just in the exact q&a shaan posted earlier, the one where he supposedly was uncomfortable, he said that rayoon's kiss made him "really flustered" and rayoon was the person on the unit he's closest to

 

also, since i'm here, some kevin moon (the boyz):

Could be classified as a little shippy since its from a verkwan shipper. But I thought it did have some interesting moments from both sides

 

https://twitter.com/boonontrxsh/status/992305298500009984

 

 

Edit: Anyone can tell me how to get tweets to show up would be a lifesaver! I sometimes get it and then other times it just shows up like a link.

 

 

 

this one is so funny lmao vernon looks ready to cut a bitch

 

">Click here to view the Tweet

 

 

 

 

Amber just did an interview with Billboard and very openly supported the LGBTQ community ^^ it's so nice to get such obvious support for once.

 

https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/k-town/8391141/amber-rogue-rouge-mixtape-videos-interview-exclusive

 

[re: Life Line MV]

I love the video and how beautiful that visual is with the two men dancing together. I feel like we don't see two male dancers working in that way. And it was also so cool to show representation in that way.

 

My friend Stephanie [Michova] who directed "Closed Doors," Kyle and I were all talking. We discussed a love story, dancers and at one point said, "Dude, how about we do two guys?" and I'm like, "Hell yeah!" It was a very organic, idea-throwing session. Whether it's love, brotherhood, friendships, sisterhood, whatnot, relationships are all different. We thought having some representation for the LGBTQ community would be really awesome as well. But I wanted something about tension, about two people being so close but so far at the same time. That song is about someone saying they're going to be there for you, they are there for you, but why aren't you? 

 

In the opening moments of the video, you're wearing two pins on your jacket: one with a red heart and one with a rainbow peace sign. What do the pins mean to you?

 

It's just love. Love is eternal. Love takes on many shapes and forms and this song is for whoever you want to sing it. Gay, straight, bi, whatever, it doesn't matter. Love is love. The pins were actually included from the brand that made the jacket.

 

I saw that and thought it was a really amazing moment of inclusion that we don't really see in the K-pop world yet.

 

I have a lot of LGBTQ friends, and when you love someone so much, why would anyone take that away from somebody? Just like I say on "Closed Doors," that's their privacy, that's their relationship. Are you in a relationship with them too? No you're not! [Laughs] When I hang out with one of my trans friends, he's so happy to be who he is now. And seeing him transition through that process, it's amazing. And you know, love is love. Again, it's their privacy.

 

Do you consider yourself an ally of the LGBTQ community?

 

Of course, of course. Love is love, dude. Just go with it! Like Scott [Hoying] and Mitch [Grassi] from Pentatonix, some of my best friends are gay, and they're the most beautiful people I know. I'm an androgynous tomboy with tattoos, piercings with a very conservative Asian cultural and I'm in entertainment. I want people just to be the best them. People are like "You're a girl, why do you have tattoos?" and I say, "Well, I got even more! Here you go!" You just can't judge people if you don't know them. I'm all for equality.

 

i'm losing my mind at how masterfully she plays the pronoun game lmaoo

 

 

 

not a mention of he/him/boyfriend anywhere