Mysterymindme

You do you, girl. You do you. As I've said eight times now, he has no reason to pretend to be attracted to women because he could just, for example, say he has a girlfriend and everyone would leave him alone. Heechul is a smart guy. Koreans don't want to believe that fellow Koreans are gay. The vast majority of idols and even variety show hosts don't 'pretend to be attracted to women' to the extent that Heechul has. He has no need to describe so thoroughly the kind of clothes he enjoys seeing a girl wear when he could, for example, just say 'I like girls with good hearts' and leave it at that. Heechul has said that honesty is very important to him. If he had to lie, he would do it in the cleanest/least tiresome way possible. Jungkook was just being funny, but it is pretty shocking all the same. I'm happy his relationship with Jimin has changed such that he can happily flirt-joke with him.

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I got you!!!!! BOTH of these: start @ 3:55

I know, Oh Holy Creator, but I've kind of already made multiple posts about Heechul, and I made those understanding/having read what had previously been said in the thread, and bringing new analysis/info to the table. . . and I didn't understand why you were defending those people closed-mindedly telling me to get lost.

Oh! I think I should add this video. Jimin pets Jungkook's head starting at 0.21 and says, "It's been a while since we've filmed together. I wanted to film with you. Why do I like you so much?" It's extremely telling, and stood out to me a lot when I was first getting to know BTS. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAWIOys6sTI Right after that, he says, "Lately I've been going crazy because I like Jungkook so much."

I bookmarked this archive, haha, and it's great. . . https://gaychimchim.tumblr.com/archive Is this the gif Yoonability was referring to?

I'm not adamant about convincing everyone of anything T.T Jesus. Just because I've posted things doesn't mean that. Why would I believe that sticking to the word 'girlfriend' everywhere makes someone straight? Should I stop gaming to find a girlfriend? Or should I find a girlfriend to stop gaming? Symbol— scratching head as if confused. We can interpret this exchange differently, but we can't use it as evidence one way or another for if he is or is not interested in women. 'You can't believe he is seriously interested in everyone he flirts with'. But flirting IS the evidence we use for idols we think are interested in the same sex, whether they have only joking/superficial interest or not, so. . . Yes, he has a playful personality, but isn't it a bit over the top? Obviously we have different interpretations of his actions, and that's fine. Well, many times he has called Jungkook 'cute' or handsome, seeming extremely affectionate and caring towards him, both in BTS-filmed videos and generally not in fanservice scenarios. In the past, he would many times say that he'd like Jungkook to take a trip with him, and has many times asked (jokingly) for Jungkook to give him a kiss. Here are a few starters: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkzcM4Ieo8s start @ 3:06 Ignore the title, just watch. start @ 1:21

It's all of you who have been disrespecting me. Can you blame me for being frustrated? Besides, you yourself didn't have a problem re-bringing up the issue, but you want to censor me? Was it so wrong to have added an afterthought after a sufficient time gap, when the subject came up again? ________________________ Disrespecting me. . . _________________ Forcing people to agree with me? I would have been fine with my first post, if people hadn't mocked it and completely disregarded it. Sure didn't seem like anyone was agreeing then. "As I said before, the vast majority of straight idols do not talk about girls and girlfriends publicly as often as Heechul has." Thus he could cover for himself just as well, or better, by not bringing it up all the time. "And Heechul has always said that honesty is very important to him. Obviously you don't know him well enough to know that." This is what I meant by saying what he says isn't necessary for cover, like seven times now, but people still go ahead and respond like this: "You really think an idol interested in having an active entertainment career with a major company in conservative South Korea, who is persistently rumored to be gay, has no real reason to pretend to be attracted to women in national broadcasts and publications in said country? Really? All the things you posted as evidence are all clips from variety shows or media interviews marketed toward the general public, where there is a high incentive to fake attraction to women and leave a trail of plausible deniability with little effort. Where are the off camera interactions with women that would hint at any romantic interest?" What are you looking for, a 2nd-hand story? Nearly all our evidence for considering idols as gay comes from camera and interview. Yeah.

Writing essays because I actually care about the truth, rather than a portrayal that I for some reason want to think and 'ra ra' with everyone else about. Laughing my ass off. While you can only manage a few sentences. As I said before, the vast majority of straight idols do not talk about girls and girlfriends publicly as often as Heechul has. And Heechul has always said that honesty is very important to him. Obviously you don't know him well enough to know that.

You guys are so close-minded, you can't even talk with me about this. Wow. How disappointing. You can only say a sentence telling me to get lost. You're too lazy to read what I wrote in my posts, so you tell me to read the thread. . . like I haven't already read what you've posted about Heechul and like I haven't brought anything new to the table. You're too idle to respond to what I said in my posts. I do not sound like ""oppa can still like women! Oppa isnt gay! Thats impossible. If oppa was gay he would never pretend to be attracted to women". I actually explain and back up what I say and provide the exact sources, unlike you who is satisfied with a trite statement. I personally don't give a damn whether Heechul's gay or bisexual, but I can't stand by while you analyze him illogically refusing to believe he is anything but 100% gay, misrepresent his quotes/words, and somehow blindly ignore the many times he has stated he likes and is attracted to women. I talked in depth discussing that he has no reason to 'pretend to be attracted to women', so there is no reason for him to act the way he does. . . unless he likes women and wants to date them. Let me repost this because apparently no one cares enough to watch it. Golden Fishery Part 1 “looking at Heechul, I think he likes being looked at in a strange way. . . I think he likes crossdressing. Does he like crossdressing?†Heechul: “He doesn’t at all. He doesn’t. The Kim Heechul I know, he has a masculine personality.†(Golden Fishery 1 5:59). About crossdressing: “It’s just a concept on stage. In real life, he’s not like that at all. Because of that, there were lots of misunderstandings where people thought he dated men. He doesn’t go out much. . because he’s so careful about his image. He didn’t meet women. . and the rumor said he doesn’t like women. . and then the rumor said he likes men. . So Mr. Kim Heechul was so sad. He couldn’t do anything.†It isn't 'people'. It's actually just me.

Care to explain? ...And elaborate?

WAIT! It gets better! We know the whole story! The following is directly from this article: http://www.koreaboo.com/news/heechul-reveals-movie-lion-king-caused-break-past-girlfriend/ "On February 11th’s broadcast of Knowing Brothers, Heechul revealed a story about why he broke up with one of his past girlfriends. Heechul prefaced his story by saying this occurred when he was 20 years old, saying “I watched the movie “Lion King†with my then-girlfriend in a DVD room.†A DVD room is similar to a karaoke room, but instead of singing, there are couches and a large selection of movies, some of which may be explicit. As the movie “Lion King†began playing, Heechul was extremely surprised by what his girlfriend did. Leeteuk added, “He was scared because he thought she was trying to hurt him at that time.†“She would continuously keep touching me. So I told her that we should stop meeting each other. I didn’t even get to have my first kiss. I was naive back then. That was the first time in my life I went to a DVD room. I was immersed in the story of Lion King but she kept touching my side. I was angry and wanted to break up with her.†– Heechul I posted a shorter version of this video before, but apparently this one is the full one & has better subs. Obligatory apology for double posting. I guess the translation the article gave wasn't that good, but definitely watch the video for when Leeteuk says that Heechul was scared and felt a bit like he was being violated. Also, Heechul saying, "You know how much I like cartoons!" & etc. By the way. Skinship is NOT AT ALL normal between opposite genders. Except when dating. And at that time, many couples start out awkward and public display of affection is frowned upon.

If you actually read each of my posts, read the articles I linked, and watched the videos, I don't think you'd be saying that. I've been debunking the things that you think "debunk" the "facts". And I already talked about the girl he broke up with. If you read my past posts you would have seen that. Here's what I said: "He said that the time this happened “It was when I never kissed anyone in my life†(his first time going to a DVD room). Remember, he talked about this event for the first time in 2006. We have no idea how old he was, he could have been a kid. And more than that: if he had never kissed anyone before, it was when he was inexperienced/ “innocentâ€. Please don’t take things out of context. Well, at least don’t use it for evidence as why he doesn’t like women. It wouldn't change just if it was a man instead of a woman, if he didn't like the person enough to stick with them. Besides, we know Heechul’s personality and how self-driven/interested his mind is, how independent and unconforming he is. Is it really that hard to believe that he would be uncompromising over such a particular thing?" *Broke up with her because in touching him she was distracting him from the Lion King movie. . . And by all means, tell me why the things I'm saying 'have been kinda debunked already'. I'm the one who originally said he was bi, and I think I'm the only one actively arguing that point. Talk to me about the specific details I'm bringing up, please, instead of just blanketly saying that all of it 'isn't enough evidence' or 'has been debunked' without further explanation.

Gotta say I disagree for Heechul. Into women as well as men. Here we go again: It astonishes me that you think the rest of the quote is unimportant. Did you read my analysis of it? Did you not see the hashtags #thereasonwhyidonthaveagirlfriend #shouldistopgamingtofindagirlfriendorshouldifindagirlfriendtostopgaming� Just in my 3 explanation posts, there have been three examples of Heechul acting interested in/ attracted to women— in the ‘Heechul Can’t Be Tamed’ cut, the applying Dara’s lipstick with his finger clip, and playing Of Course with Chayeon— I wasn’t even trying. Yes, Of Course is evidence because he was so obviously flirting with her. How can you say him saying that he’s pretty is evidence against that? Being a ‘pretty-boy’ is his asset to attracting woman, and he was using it (as he has used in other interactions). He didn’t need to take that approach. He could have won the game easily by simply insulting her, as he did with the previous older woman. And what about the War of Words video? Lying? What about the articles where Heechul is talking about his girlfriends? And it was a mistranslation, you say, that Heechul said “If I get a girlfriend, I tell my members. It’s to make sure that I don’t overlap with them.� What about the Golden Fishery and Heechul Can’t Be Tamed videos I showed, where Heechul talks about girlfriends and what attracts him about women? Why would Heechul keep saying ‘I need a girlfriend’ when he could just quietly pretend he has a girlfriend? Lastly: you know how honest Heechul proclaims himself to be and how much he doesn’t give a shit for people’s opinions. What purpose would he have to lie on and on about wanting girlfriends, about what he finds attractive in women, about past girlfriends, etc. when he could just not talk about it and avoid the issue? Most straight idols haven’t talked so. . . extensively as he has on those topics. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKYQ1z77BN0 I mean, Minhyuk x Heechul on Weekly Idol was brought up here, but remember that Momo still won with highest heart rate (by holding his hands and saying ‘Nico Nico Ni’ as opposed to rubbing all over him). Flirting with female guests on Knowing Bros. Interchange with a woman he may have had some romantic involvement with in the past while they did a drama together.

Thanks for the info. I've been thinking of getting into them, but haven't done so yet. Are there any others that ping you? By the way, Seyong and Chaejin are SO cute with each other! Those videos made my heart beat fast.

I know you weren't! Don't worry about it, it just shows how focussed you are on the mission of this thread. I don't think Myname has been discussed that much here. I'd be interested to know any more impressions you have of the members! Also, loving the Key/Jonghyun analysis.

I know they are, I was just joking T.T Trying to carry the parody into another dimension, but failed. Could you hear the sarcasm?

Is it just me, or do these two seem suspicious? I don't know, guys. . . I'm getting vibes from them.

Thank you! I'm trying to be as clear as I can.

Except he many times named her as his ideal type. . . http://www.allkpop.com/article/2016/11/super-juniors-heechul-shows-his-ongoing-affection-for-sohee And, here's another article about him dating a rookie idol and telling Lee Soo Man about it. "Hee Chul started telling the hosts that he dated a rookie idol before. He asked SM Entertainment's founder, Lee Soo Man, about how to deal with it. He said, "The girl tends to be harmed more when there's a scandal so I discussed it with Lee Soo Man sun-saeng-nim about how I should react when a scandal broke out. I also told him whom, and from which label, I was dating." Heechul continued, "I told him that if a scandal happened, to announce that I really like her a lot. I told that to both Lee Soo Man sun-saeng-nim and also to her label. I still don't know much about dating but I really didn't know anything back then. I was only worried about a solution to when we got caught and wasn't focused on my girlfriend. I thought that was love and caring. I've never even taken pictures with her. I dated her for about 3 months but I think we met like 5 times... I don't think I even saw her 7 times in total." He also talked about his undying affection towards Sohee. He said that Sohee is still and will always be his ideal type because of her mono lids. He said, "Since I have intense double eyelids, I like women with no double eyelids," He continued, "I've never met her outside of work. She's just a symbol of an oasis in the life of entertainment." Fans have known that Heechul has been naming Sohee for years as his ideal type, and it seems he still hasn't changed his mind." http://www.kpopstarz.com/articles/275683/20161124/heechul-talks-love-sohee-conversation-lsm-ex-girlfriend-tvn-s.htm

Honestly, even though he and BoA are friends, I still can’t say that what I said doesn’t apply anymore. I’m sure his female friends would tease him even more about his ‘femininity’ than his male friends, because it’s a chink in his armor and it’s a reason they feel they can relate to him so easily. Heechul has an enormous network of male and female friends, so it makes sense that women would feel more comfortable with him— he’s survived so long with getting into zero scandals, and rumors won’t occur because he’s already familiar with so many women. “. . . so what my girl dongsaengs often ask me is.. “Oppa, you don’t.. like a guy.. do you?â€" Heechul has experienced many rumors about being gay which would lead to questions. However, this is not because he does not date women— instead it is due to his appearance, affectations, crossdressing ability, leaping into skinship with men and kissing members on stage. Let me give you the full context for that quoted- from conversation with Dahae: “Our Da-hae is all grown up now.. I should send you off for marriage now.. 1+1=2 Da-hae. Now that I think about it.. Why aren’t there any pretty girls around me? Or even if there are plenty, I don’t feel that they’re pretty? (ã…‡_ã…‡)a Even if Oppa does think so, I’m sadly living playing only games, read only mangas, so what my girl dongsaengs often ask me is.. “Oppa, you don’t.. like a guy.. do you?†Next year I am gonna be 33 kekekekekekekekekekeke haa … (T^T) #Heenin #LeeDahae #thereasonwhyidonthaveagirlfriend #shouldistopgamingtofindagirlfriendorshouldifindagirlfriendtostopgaming†Da-hae: You … are not my type either! ! kekekeâ€' The reason why I don't have a girlfriend, should I stop gaming to find a girlfriend or should I find a girlfriend to stop gaming. Sounds like Heechul is lamenting over the fact that he doesn't have a girlfriend at that point in time, or is even in a period of low libido. Heechul, Hani and Bora slept in the same bed when they were on a show together. Knowing how Heechul is given an exception (exemption from judgement, almost) related to many Korean social/cultural norms, is it THAT big of a stretch that this happened? This video is highly informative. It refers to Heechul's approach to avoiding scandals, his lack of scandals being one reason most of you think he doesn't go out with women. Heechul: “Yes, they should date, but when they do. . . Don’t leave any traces! As for me. . . With my ex girlfriends, there are no photos of us together. That’s why, that’s why my ex-girlfriends—†“Psychopath, psychopath.†“Heechul: “That’s why the female celebrity asks me, ‘Oppa do you sincerely like me? Isn’t this too much?’ I always answered, ‘Later, you will realize that I was right.†. . . “When I am in a relationship, it’s enough that we know each others’ feelings. There’s no need for leaving traces like couple rings, or doing a love shot to the camera.†. . “If you want to date, you should not make it obvious. .†Article: Kim Heechul Reveals How Super Junior Ensures That They Don't Date The Same Girl https://www.soompi.com/2017/02/04/kim-heechul-reveals-super-junior-ensures-dont-date-girl/ “If I get a girlfriend, I tell my members. It’s to make sure that I don’t overlap with them. Luckily, that hasn’t happened yet. I think our tastes in girls are all different." Article: Kim Heechul Accidentally Reveals A Bit Too Much About An Ex-Girlfriend On “Singderella†https://www.soompi.com/2017/01/21/kim-heechul-accidentally-reveals-bit-much-ex-girlfriend-singderella/ Says something similar: http://www.koreaboo.com/buzz/kim-heechul-confesses-got-dumped-every-girl-dated/ Article: Heechul reveals he's shared concerns about his idol girlfriend to Lee Soo Man. http://www.allkpop.com/article/2016/11/heechul-reveals-hes-shared-concerns-about-his-idol-girlfriend-to-lee-soo-man

Excuse me? NOT believing Heechul is straight! Believing Heechul is bisexual! Read what I say!! Apology for the non male x male pictures.

The first video was the behind for the making of DBSK's mini drama 'Dangerous Love'. The subs are real. You can watch the drama here (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xkw61i_dbsk-dangerous-love-english-subded_shortfilms). Did that answer your question? Other subs are also real!