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Yes Fany has a larger range. Soyeon really lacks a range, she doesn't sing low nor high.

Supported basically means the note is supported (sorry IDK how to explain support LOL). Strain basically means the support is not proper and u r pulling ur larynx (pulling down larynx can also cause strain in lower notes). Tension is more um... physiological? IDK how to explain it properly. Like tension on the neck, tongue etc can affect the tone production. All of them are bad. Tense and straining aren't healthy. Strain and support are directly related.

 

That depends. Most people find "e" the hardest vowel sound to sing.

"E" is the easiest in the lower range, "A" [a] in the higher range.

Susan Huster, she's not like famous, but she is classically trained and coloratura.

That's awesome that they offer an academic vocal class! Non-majors have to go through so much red tape to take them here. It's really a shame. Well, I'm sure you will ace it!

Academic~ I get graded on this. So bye.

 

And the person that runs the class is a Classically Trained Opera singer who takes no shit.

Very nice, I hope it's going well! Who do you study with? 

But I would like to comment that I don't always get taken seriously on this thread and I've studied classical voice for years and now I'm in a reputable program. So I don't think taking one class in vocals is a very good argument. I personally think it's a better idea to leave arguments of credibility out of the thread. 

The OP of this thread clearly states that there is absolutely no room for subjective discussion, if you come here and try to talk about something that really holds no substance and we tell you stop it is because you're going off-topic. Vocal pedagogy is a science and therefore has to be discussed objectively. Read the OP before making meaningless and baseless statements and then complaining, we have no time for people who don't bother to read the criteria of this thread. If you want to talk about singers "expressing emotions" go do it somewhere else.

I would like to point out that vocal technique is way more subjective than you make it out to be. Just because singing is a science doesn't mean there aren't conflicting opinions. Same as any science really. 

o.O Really? Does that mean her voice is just heavy? I tend to get darkness and weight mixed up.

Darkness and weight are pretty much the same thing. And I personally don't think she's a light lyric at all. Her voice has too warm a quality in the lower register. She could be a full lyric but I'd say she's a high lyric mezzo.

It does? You mean they tend to be in the mix? Where is mix again, just kind of central-upper? I figured it was just because barely anyone in kpop trains their lower register and hardly anyone works on "real" headvoice.

No, I mean their videos focus most of the time on belted notes. It's pretty evident that they think those notes are the most impressive. Which I can see. The mix is just squarely in the middle.

Why ? Because I was told that lol.

Haha fair enough. That explains the range videos that get posted lol.

The mix is the hardest part of voice to train so yes.

Why do you say that? They all have their difficulties. My middle register was the easiest for me to train.

Ok...

Can you be resonant on every single note yet not be able to do runs?

 

I'm trying to dissect the different ways of judging vocalists here. As of now it all seems to be the same thing.

Having an agile voice is something you're born with. You can train your voice to do relatively fast runs if you don't have that kind of voice but it's far easier for some than it is for others. Some people can barely do them at all, especially darker voices. It sounds a lot more impressive than it actually is. At least speaking from my own experience, I'm a relatively agile vocalist.

Is she pushing down her larynx or is it actually possible to have a voice that heavy when her speaking voice is so different? (starts singing at 0:50)

 

http://youtu.be/foUrBztgzZA

Oh dear. Another child prodigy. Yes, it is possible to have a light speaking voice and a dark singing voice. It happens with classical singers a lot. But she's pushing her larynx down. Probably to sound older and more impressive.

Google doodle dedicated to Maria Callas on her birthday! I love it.

 

Which vocalist is the closest to perfection?

I don't think there's a good answer for that. It depends on what you personally feel are worse issues or what skills are the most impressive. When you get to that high a level, it gets to be more of an opinion.

Thanks. I'm arguing with someone and he's saying that Mariah always had shit technique.

Saying she has shit technique is a bit much (or a lot much) but there is room for disagreement. No singer is perfect, Mariah is certainly no exception.

Hm... perhaps the person who evaluated me (when I was 17ish?) was incorrect, then. Or maybe things hadn't settled and it was just her best guess at the time. Or maybe I just can't tell when I transition into head voice, but nothing special really seems to happen around there.... A5 is where things actually start changing for me, but it's surely not possible to have headvoice only from A5-C6, right? >.>

 

(I have yet to hit up the local students for potential vocal teachers. XD;; )

Some people have a smoother transition over the voice break than others, which is great. You probably have one around there but it's not as obvious a switch. The A5 is probably a switch into falsetto actually. Or rather what they call the falsetto at my school. Because a soprano passaggio is around an F. That's perfectly normal. Most likely you're mixing with your head voice through your range without realizing it which is actually a really healthy way to sing.

Yeah, but I always try not to drop my jaw too much that I can hear the click. I think the problem is that I move the jaw too much and doesn't relax my jaw. That doesn't happen when I sing in my comfort zone but singing constant high notes above D5 makes my jaw tense and feel tired quickly T.T And I lose tonality above E5 : It makes me angry watching vocalist singing high notes above E5 so effortlessly =)) *so jealous* I'm gonna go and just sing boygroups' songs to make myself feel superior

That's what I thought! You have TMJ, a displaced disk in the jaw. I have the same thing. Because of that your jaw is going to get more sore more quickly when you're using it a lot whether you over extend or not. You can fix it by getting a mouth guard from the dentist. Get an appointment and tell them about the clicking. Your jaw gets more sore on high notes is because you have to open your mouth wider the higher you go. You may also be trying to adjust your jaw too much as you go higher but you should talk to a voice teacher about that.

Challenge Accepted.

 

Though seriously I am no music major nor even close.

 

I'm a shower singer.

You can totally become a better singer without a teacher. It'll just be a lot harder and take you a lot longer. And there's a limit to how far you can go without a teacher.

 

The audio has been edited I think, because he doesn't sound pitch perfect and smooth like this in other videos ) But how is he? ^^

And how could he keep singing those high notes without getting tired? Does that have to do with natural vocal range or his actual techniques?

 

When I sing up to E5, I lose my tonality and start to sound thin and whiny T.T And when I have to sing alot of high notes continously, I feel tired quite quickly, my jaw feels tired too. That's because of lack of breath support, right?

How easy it is to hit a lot of high notes really depends on where they are in your range, how you approach them, and what dynamic they are. I can sing an A5 for days but I'm not consistent at all on an F5.

Notes above the passagio (voice break) have to be approached in a very different way. They sound thin and bright and gross to you but sounds loud and full to everyone else. An E5 is a bit low for that but that is the typical mezzo soprano voice break. Yes, proper breath support is extremely important but it isn't a cure all. You have to be careful that it doesn't cause you to push on your cords. You can't muscle out high notes like you can for belts. As for your jaw, does it click sometimes when you open it too widely?

I had to sing La scia Chio Pianga and La Scia te mi morire today >.<

Oh hey! The 24 Italian hits! I sang lasciatemi morire for my auditions. Thank god I don't have to sing those anymore lol.

K, bye... My history of voice was me running away from choir in sixth grade like my butt was on fire.

Choir technique is totally different though. He means a private teacher. Trust me, pretty much all the voice majors feel exactly the same way you do about choir.

Why can't I hit high notes? Like I seriously can't do high notes. I've tried but nope I always go into falsetto... Lol. I even tried the shouting someone's name naturally but once I try to sing it's like wah wah waaaah

You should try hitting the note in head voice and slowly mixing/growing the note. Experiment with increasing the air pressure, support, raising/hardening your soft palate, and brightening & darkening the sound. When it gets to a resonating space you like without cracking, try to remember what that feels like. Then, keep doing the same thing and grow into that feeling until it comes faster and more natural. It'll take a lot of practice but if you keep working at it and experimenting you'll find that magic combination.

okay thanks for always answering questions sad thing the others seemed to have stop visiting the thread I don't see much activity lately

What do yall think exactly caused Fany's nodules? Improper belting? And do you think she is still in danger of further damaging her horn or has she improved?

 

Donut use "shitty" and "onew" in the same clause, pls.

A lot of it is probably because SNSD has ridiculous schedules and SM probably makes them sing full out for way more hours per day than is healthy. (You are talking about Tiffany, right?)

Does learning how to sing permanently change the way you usually breathe?

It did for me. I also speak differently. And my ribcage has gotten larger around since I've been training.

To be frank, I think this term come from some sort of reviewer or critics.

Huh. When I do a Google search it says it refers to how faithful a sound system is to the original recording. Weird.

Both are correct.

Tonal= Having Desired Tonality, no Nasality,Airiness, or Throatiness

Accuracy= Good intonation, rarely goes flat or sharp

Also for the record, in classical music "tone" refers to the sound of the voice and "tonal" is a music theory term. They mean completely different things. Or at least that's the textbook, dictionary definition.

You have some reply. In pop, tonal accuracy is not in used.

It's not a term I've heard used in classical teaching either to be honest.