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What exactly do you expect people to focus on when trying to determine if someone might identify as LGBT? People share their public contexts(their context was their chain of tweets, whether you agree with them or not), whether they're engaging in fan service or not, in an attempt to gauge their potential orientation because, ultimately, that's the extent of information available, leading to assumptions. Similar to how you're assuming it's all or some part of the idol culture, believing or disbelieving that is entirely your choice. So, why do you think we're here in the first place? The entire purpose is to make assumptions, and stereotypes play a role in that because they form part of the limited information we have, primarily based on how individuals present themselves. If you want to believe that almost everything is carefully calculated and debunk someone's assumptions, that's fine. However, I must inquire once again, what's the objective of this thread? Also this thread isn't going to affect a change of the entirety of the kpop fandom, we don't have that much power lol Edit: I'd like to emphasize, for the sake of simplicity, that there is no definitive right or wrong answer in this matter. Both of you are essentially making assumptions driven by your own perspectives. The other person holds their position due to their specific context, while you don't align with it because you prefer not to be seen as "gullible." Once more, it's important to stress that there's no clear-cut right or wrong answer in this situation, as it all ultimately hinges on what? Assumptions.

This isn’t a direct response nor a rebuke so I’m not quoting. But as someone who used to be a Chanyeol stan like… 7 years ago, here are my thoughts: Right now I believe Chanyeol's straight. BUT I do think he could be bisexual. Definitely with a preference for women, but I can see him liking men. Just because he's so open minded. Maybe bicurious? But a lot of the stuff fans use as a receipt is reaching. This? As a League player, it doesn't really mean anything. For some years now we had this Pride event where they give you these icons, and if you use them you get the respective flag trail. However, South Korea is SO homophobic that in Korean server the Pride event isn’t a pride event, it’s called SPRING Event and these colors are to represent spring or something lmao. So it’s very possible that Chanyeol and Sehun weren’t aware of the connotation, even if they know the flags from somewhere else. This? When it’s pride month, the pride filter is like the first one in the list of filters so it most likely wasn't intentional. Even if it was intentional, it was also Sehun's live so if anything that would concur to the Sehun queer proofs. This was a thing pushed by Chanbaek shippers. If you watch the whole video you can see he’s not talking about Men x Men. He proceeds to say something along the lines of “Love is not only between a man and a woman. It can be between a mother and son, among friends", that kind of stuff. It astonishes me how many people think he's talking about being the top in sex??? (just see the quote tweets). It's about his position on League of Legends There's top, mid and bottom lane and he plays in top lane, that's it. The laugh could be because he knows there's a double implication in that sentence, or he could also be laughing at something completely unrelated. (P.S.: top lane has the highest concentration of straight men in this game, cough cough) Ok so the context here isn't really about how they act around women or dating, it was about pretending to be uninterested. The MC talks about how many people pretend to be uninterested when they like someone, and Chanyeol says that he doesn't really pretend and he's just straightforward. While this can suggest interest in men, to me it sounds a lot like "Not only in a romantic situation, but if I meet a guy I click with I'll be straightforward and ask to be closer". Tbh this is indeed interesting, so I suggest watching for yourselves and taking your own conclusions. 11:20 forwards. I looked for some proofs that he might like men that I remember seeing back in the day but unfortunately most of it has been buried and it'd take time to find it. Uhh, maybe this?

i dont know. it seems to me they are mostly joking around than other thing and usually it's the straight ones that do such things with their friends, not the queer ones. i admit that their 1st flirty interaction posted here was a bit sus to me but now seeing this constant back and forth PUBLICLY it seems nothing but fanservice. Like not much different from what 2 idols from the same group do if they wanted to flirt they would most likely doing in private not so much in public eyes

Because he doesn't conform to the gay stereotypes. I find it difficult to grasp some of the posts at times. We may not always reach a consensus on identifying someone's sexual orientation, given that our only reference points are public information and how individuals present themselves. It essentially boils down to making assumptions. The individual above did offer some context to support their belief about the person's potential LGBTQ+ status, but another person dismissed it as mere nonsense and dismissed it as pandering to fans and adhering to the usual 'idol ecosystem.' It's almost like a recurring cycle of similar opinions all the time lol

yall are literally tripping, wonyoung has also always had her lip corners curled naturally, can we stop having baseless theories with no picture or video evidence?

he's got one of those faces that looks worked on. but besides weight loss & a nose job I can't pinpoint big changes from predebut through to now?

interestingly enough, anton is also a former koz (hybe) trainee so he might've gotten it done while under there which would make sense considering it looks like the slope a lot of their idols have gotten (i don't know about wonbin though)

All of this because of ONE song.

God, it only proves how unnecessary his nose job was. Like, the eye and chin work is a given in K-pop at this point, but his nose implant is just so not it. A simple alarplasty would have given them the same effect That is crazyyy Also, absolutely off topic: so many of his old IG stories and posts are being shared online, and it really rubs me the wrong way to see so many screenshots of idols' old social media accounts. Like, why are you screenshotting every move of your classmate, just in case they become famous? And then you're keeping it for years to upload it later and not benefit from it whatsoever

I think you’re underestimating how nosy your average people are lol Topics like romance and sex attract attention. I know for myself if any news of idols dating comes out I am interested to know more, even if I don’t know or care about the idol. I don’t think this is world breaking news either. Like it’s well known that people are interested in these things which is why either topic can be found so much in all kinds of media. I don’t think you’re necessary wrong but your opinion feels too absolute to me, theres more than one side to it.

So, we can all agree that Soobin is the Jessica Jung of 4th gen? Jessica brought out the lesbians like CRAZY. It was so common that whenever you searched her name in Naver, you'd see, "I like Jessica Jung, but I'm a girl." Same thing with Krystal. Like the Jung sisters, Soobin attracts men like flies. Queer men especially. It should be seen as a sign when a male idol professes his love for Soobin. Ex: SVT M1ngyu and Seugkwan

But when I was saying to lock ha ass up yall (speaking in general) was "oh no she needs rehab" THE BITCH IS A FUCKING DRUG DEALER!!!!!!! HELLLLLOOOOO?! Yall want the people shes dealing to, to go to jail cause yall got some kind of group rivalry with these people who dont even fucking know u exist but will overlook the peddler... fucking jokers.

The funny thing is that his old nose already fit beauty standards. SM plastic surgery style in 4th gen is obsessed with tall and pointy noses (See Winter, Giselle, and now Wonbin and Anton.)

The emojis that minhyuk from btob used when talking about his interaction with soobin lol Yes... Soobin is a men collector

All this “hype” is just gonna lead to nothing I’ll be very surprised if the new group ends up being successful honestly my wish is that nobody will sign up but I know that’s not gonna happen…

This is going to be controversial, because everyone loves this guy fsr, but what made Cupid interesting was not anything JHJ did. It was a well-written, tightly-composed song bolstered by two really talented vocalists. Like what's so interesting about this particular company that anyone should be interested in a show from them?

they've been friends for years and they even have a name for their group of friends called 'bonsaintz'

She would say that....

YUJUx Wheein's In the Mood challenge

I didn't know this about jessica lol But i kinda agree when soobin was a MC with arin everyone was so whipped for him lol

I don't understand why people write Chanyeol off tbf.

Looks like Holland and Mark Tuan might be friends

Sorry but I think you take their words too literally. I don't take idols' "ideal types" answers seriously when they're only about the opposite sex and frankly I don't take them seriously that much either when they say extremely vague things with "not just for women/men" or "regardless of gender" because idols usually try to appeal to the most people (= fans) possible. That's part of their marketing. But I guess that's just me... Anyway, I've read that thread and I still maintain my opinion on Chanyeol that he acts like a typical open-minded straight guy. Yeonjun is just a huge flirt in general though. I don't see it as proving he's bi/pan and attracted to everyone he flirts with, it's just part of his personality. To be clear I'm not saying he's straight, just that his flirting with fanboys or other guys isn't a definitive proof. I already knew all that about Taehyun. For the Johnny and Taeil stuff, I agree with @rotis that they're just joking. Ten and Johnny in particular are often really unserious (both as individuals and together). Johnny seems comfortable enough in his sexuality that Ten probably felt like he could play around with him like that. Edit : To clarify what I mean about the vague "men or women/not just opposite sex" stuff is that I'm looking at context before words and I'm cautious of how idols answer ideal types or relationships questions that are so obviously meant for fanservice. I mean, why would people even care to know about an idol's ideal type if there weren't some delusional feelings involved ? (personally I don't give a damn about my biases' ideal types). Obviously neither Korean fans nor the public see statements like Chanyeol's as a proof an idol isn't straight since plenty of idols have been answering similarly so far and got no backlash or nasty comments. I'm not going to suddenly believe a guy like Bobby is a bisexual king for answering with neutral pronouns an ideal type question when him and some other Ikon members were literally mocking the process of a queer person coming out to their parents in a conservative society just a few years ago

The "receipts" for Taeil honestly seem like jokes rather than genuine attraction. Besides that there have been no other instances that have made me think hes LGBT. And for Johnny I think his relationship with Ten is just a one sided crush on Ten's part. I cant think of any other instance that has made me think Johnny is queer

I really don't understand why there are still people who think Chanyeol isn't straight. Like his ships are all dead at this point so it can't be shippers and he just looks and acts like a typical straight guy. For TXT, I always go back and forth with them but I think they're straighter than most MOAs believe aside from Soobin. I can't forget those rumors from March/April. And for NCT sorry but there's no way that Renjun and Jaemin are straighter than Johnny and Taeil. Johnny and Taeil are literally the two with Mahae that keep 127 from being full NCT MLM lol.

Good luck to her I guess? I almost forgot about her, I know she really burned some bridges with the oversea fans and after she left I never heard about her since

I'm sorry but the irony of calling someone an > LGBTQ+ artist < and then dropping the "rumoured to be bi" in the next sentence I can't Some kpop fans are so stuck in this bubble they've lost touch with reality. He probs is queer, I thought so since he had drag queens in his mv a few years back, but rumours and ~vibes~ doesn't make someone an LGBTQ+ artist omfg listen to Ethel Cain or smth

EXO D.O. is leaving SM Entertainment It was revealed that his contract with the agency will end in early November this year He will move to a new company established by former SM manager. However, his activities with EXO will still be managed by SM D.O. To Leave SM And Join New Agency Founded By Manager + Will Still Continue EXO’s Activities On October 18, JTBC reported that EXO’s D.O. will be leaving SM Entertainment and joining a new agency established by his longtime manager, with whom he has been working since his debut. In response to the report, SM Entertainment officially announced, “D.O.’s exclusive contract with us will expire in early November. Following thorough discussions with D.O., it has been decided that he will continue his EXO activities with SM, but will proceed with his acting and individual activities through the newly established agency founded by his and SM’s former manager.”

Just a reminder that idols do fan service. Saying they wouldn’t do that is very naive. Almost every entertainment industry does fan service. Pro Wrestling, western pop, actors.

Also about exo... Based on things that chanyeol has said before i think there's a possibility that he's bi Kai also strikes me as bisexual... I have a feeling that he's attracted to Men I Would bet My money that minseok is not straight as well and about sehun: i think that he's Just gay... I know that he Denied it but is not like he would say "yes guys, i'm gay" out loud Suho is also Sus

What do you guys think about minji from newjeans ? And she pings as hell to me sometimes Yujin from ive is another one that pings to me ( i think is her aura ) Edit: minji also listens to rina sawayama ( rina's music is very listened by the gay niche )

Ningning She's brave brave.

If I'm understanding you correctly, Yuna's lips and smile has always been like that tho. Her lip's corners were always curved and to a point. Not to mention, her smile has always been big since pre-debut, even to the point where I remember people said her teeth were too big during Dalla Dalla Pre-Debut Yuna's Middle School Graduation (mind you, this is her "pretty smile" lol. When she is genuinely laughing/smiling, her top and bottom teeth shows.

Zhang Hao singing the OST from a Taiwanese BL movie on live

being in this sub kinda broke my brain because the first thing i thought about when i saw this pic was "oh it's the old style of jaw shave"

There is also this clip of Taeyeon basically implying she confessed with a love song to a girl: Also this is a bit of a forgotten receipt bc it was kinda purposefully swept under the rug but Sunny used to have a radio show that a lot of SONEs believe was suspiciously shut down around the time Sunny was having some VERY SUS interactions with Apink's Chorong. It was kind of a bit too out there and people even outside the fandom and some korean websites were talking about gay Sunny and that's when her show was canceled. You can judge for yourselves:

Yuri was in Australia during World Pride recently. Here's a video Also, she is almost always is with her "friend" Juran, who we suspect is really her long-term girlfriend. Taeyeon is a glass closet, she wants everyone to know that she's fruity. Like letting everyone know she recommending the song girls girls girls by FLETCHER, posting the bi flag colors on her Snapchat story during Pride, posting a rainbow on National Coming Out Day. She posted recently to show everyone that she watching D.E.B.S, the very niche movie that only sapphics seem to know lol Here's a video of Taeyeon saying that SNSD can be the ideal types of both boys and girls with Yuri nodding and agreeing lol

He looks pretty natural to me

Onlyoneof’s KB? (He’s the one laughing)

omg han seohee is back how excitingggg

Yeonjun flirting with a fanboy and honestly... It felt so genuine https://twitter.com/jjkmoonchiId/status/1264586600576618496?t=oXclpgqB1BVtcgAf2dr1SA&s=19

You look amazing, Lee Chaeyeon!

The way you just ignored the last part of my answer... Really ? When I said myself multiple times that this thread is too focused on stereotypes and ignores male idols who don't fit them ? And there's a difference between the people who dismissed here some male idols only because they're traditionnally masculine (like RM or Minho or L from Infinite) and dismissing male idols who had het fuckboy scandals or dudebros who are trying to turn their image around after acting borderline homophobic. What context did they offer ? Most of that thread about Chanyeol was indeed him pandering to fans, especially to fanboys. Sorry if I'm not a gullible stan who will take everything those idols say as the gospel when they're doing their job. I guess now we'll also have to believe they're 100% genuine when they act lovey-dovey with their bandmates during concerts or that they aren't lying when they say they only love their fans and don't have the time to date or that they're actually singing live in music shows.